May 6, 201015 yr The Rock Hall is $20. Annnd, that's why a lot of Clevelanders have never been, even though it's in their own backyard. The only times I've been to the rock hall was when I could get in for free, such as at the recent 5K I participated in, which gave you free admission, or when I've held a meeting there.
May 6, 201015 yr Save your money, or better yet, spend it on businesses that are local. Plus, you can see this less exploitative freak show and support actual living people for 1/3 the price: http://www.coneyisland.com/sideshow.shtml
May 6, 201015 yr In both cases, charging a lower price could leave people with a better impression of the overall experience. Massive entry fees like these can result in unrealistic expectations.
May 6, 201015 yr In both cases, charging a lower price could leave people with a better impression of the overall experience. Massive entry fees like these can result in unrealistic expectations. Exactly. We have taken out-of-towners to the Rock Hall, and they left with a somewhat poor impression. Most of the comments were pretty much in line with what you are saying...not worth the price of admisson. Especially for a family of five. I get so frustrated that there is really no "window shopping" opportunities along E4th or the rest of downtown for that matter. It seems like to do much of anything with the family downtown, it costs an arm and a leg. I would love to take the kids downtown on a Saturday afternoon, and just walk, and look around at intresting stuff, grab a cheap bite to eat etc. People always say take the to the GLSC or Rock Hall or Indians game. All of that is very expensive. I would just rather, take them downtown and walk and be entertained by cool shops, and just be overwhelmed with that big city feel. The type of fealing you get when you say to yourself, only downtown will you see that. Kind of like walking down South Street in Philly, or Michigan in Chicago.
May 6, 201015 yr ^Good points, gotribe, ... but in Philly, I think the "big city"/shopping street would be more like Walnut Street from around Broad west to Rittenhouse Square.... South Street was trendy/funky, but has had teen hangout/crime problems of late.
May 6, 201015 yr ^Good points, gotribe, ... but in Philly, I think the "big city"/shopping street would be more like Walnut Street from around Broad west to Rittenhouse Square.... South Street was trendy/funky, but has had teen hangout/crime problems of late. Agreed, chestnut, walnut are definitely what I would like to see on Euclid, Prospect and in the WHD. Note: I would like to suggest not taking this thread topic, off topic as all this has been discussed in the downtown cleveland retail thread.
May 6, 201015 yr Walked by e.4th today and they were installing the railings for Chinato's outdoor seating.
May 17, 201015 yr Bicyclists' commute to Cleveland about to get easier, more secure and arty By Thomas Feran, The Plain Dealer May 16, 2010, 12:00PM Two-tired Cleveland commuters soon will have a place to rest their bikes and bones. Regulations taking effect June 16 require secure bicycle racks to be installed at many parking lots and garages in Cleveland, even if they're not open to the public. And the Bike Rack -- a parking station with showers, lockers and repair services -- should open downtown in late summer. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/bicyclists_commute_to_clevelan.html
May 17, 201015 yr Save your money, or better yet, spend it on businesses that are local. Plus, you can see this less exploitative freak show and support actual living people for 1/3 the price: http://www.coneyisland.com/sideshow.shtml I actually wish we had a wax museum downtown.
May 17, 201015 yr There's a billboard on I-480 east advertising the opening of "Bodies - The Exhibit" on June 5.
May 24, 201015 yr I am pretty excited for the exhibit, even though the price is high. It will be interesting to see how the turn out will be with it being on E 4th. But the Body World exhibit did pretty well being at the Science Center. At least they are placing this one in a centralized location that will attract more people to the upside and beauty of E 4th :)
May 31, 201015 yr BODIES opens up this Saturday, June 5th. Here's some more info on hours/pricing etc: http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/cleveland/plan-your-visit.html There seems to be a very week "Driving Directions" category. I'm guessing they assume most people will know where E. 4th is, but wasn't that kind of the point of putting it there, to bring more people down to lower Euclid Ave? The map isn't even exactly right in the "Get Driving Directions" link...it says 240 Euclid Ave instead of 340 Euclid Ave. And of course, no mention of public transportation even though it sits right at the E.6th and E. 2nd stops of the Healthline, and is less than two blocks away from the central hub of the Red line, Green Line, Blue Line and many, many buses. Finally, even as an UOer, I must say I am surprised there is no mention of "recommended parking." That alone could raise the cost of seeing the exhibit for most families. I did shoot them an email with my concerns, but anyone feels the same way and can write better than me, please shoot them one too! Here is the comment page: http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/cleveland/contact.html
May 31, 201015 yr I just looked at this the other day. It seems that the front facades have a way to go for this to be completed by the 5th. Isn't the City Blue space going to be a part of this?
May 31, 201015 yr Yes on City Blue. They're working over time right now. They told me it will be ready for Sat.
June 3, 201015 yr Anyone have any updates on how the "BODIES" storefront is looking? I won't be there until Sunday.
June 3, 201015 yr ^ all the window wrap is up and they looked to be finishing painting this morning. Literally went from white renovation paint on the windows to looking ready to open in a week. Pretty crazy, but they look like they have been working straight through for two weeks. There every morning and into the evening. Feels pretty good that most of lower Euclid seems to be filling up.
June 3, 201015 yr ^ I see a positive in that.. It may help promote better health...people to chose better foods when dining.
June 3, 201015 yr Well, they dont have a "fat" body on the wrap, but they do have them in various athletic poses so they may at least be thinking of how to burn off those nachos.
June 3, 201015 yr ^ I see a positive in that.. It may help promote better health...people to chose better foods when dining. You need to open a restaurant.
June 3, 201015 yr ^Thanks, I have actually thought about it. My concept would be to debunk the pervasive myths cultivated by the fast food and convenience industries that it costs a lot to eat well and that it takes a lot of time. I thought of calling it.. "Slow Food...FAST!" But I have so many other fires burning right now. This is one reason I really worked to promote the Ice Cube to locate downtown. I do admit, though...knowing the bodies are real creeps me a bit. On the other hand, for those who dream of traveling, this may be a great way to achieve eternal traveling opportunities!
June 4, 201015 yr 'Bodies' exhibit opens Saturday in downtown Cleveland By Thomas Feran, The Plain Dealer June 04, 2010, 10:54AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Naked bodies and revealing poses are the main attractions of a show opening Saturday in the heart of downtown Cleveland's entertainment district. High visibility is what presenters of "Bodies . . . The Exhibition" want. But instead of a risque show, the point of the display is family-friendly education featuring plasticized and dissected human bodies. "We find one of the best places to be is exactly [where] we are, on Euclid Avenue," said Dr. Roy Glover, the exhibit's medical director and spokesman, who grew up on the West Side. "Anybody that's interested in science will come here, and the people that wouldn't grace the door of a science center will walk past this place and say, 'Maybe we ought to go in and take a look,' " Glover said. Open seven days a week through October, "Bodies" features nine galleries of displays covering 14,000 square feet of street-level space once occupied by clothing stores. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/06/bodies_exhibit_opens_saturday.html
June 4, 201015 yr Are there any women bodies there? It looks like men, only. When we're stripped down to our bones, we look pretty similar. :)
June 8, 201015 yr Just wanted to report I went to BODIES this past sunday, and the place was packed. Not only that, it seemed like at least half of the people would leave and walk around downtown and get something to eat. Chocolate Bar, Greenhouse Tavern, Erie Island Coffee company, and Flannery's were all packed. For some reason, 4th Street Bar and Grill, HOB, and Pickwick and Frolic were not open on Sunday afternoon for lunch--A TON of missed business in my opinion.
June 8, 201015 yr Nice to hear things were buzzing, thanks for the report. I've noticed that 4th street is pretty much a ghost town on Sundays in the winter, but I don't get why places would be closed on Sundays in the summer. For selfish reasons I'm annoyed Chinato is closed on Sundays.
June 8, 201015 yr Nice to hear things were buzzing, thanks for the report. I've noticed that 4th street is pretty much a ghost town on Sundays in the winter, but I don't get why places would be closed on Sundays in the summer. For selfish reasons I'm annoyed Chinato is closed on Sundays. Don't get me started; the "closed on Sundays" is a pet peeve of a number of key Cleveland downtown/urban restaurants, among them: Lola on E. 4th and Great Lakes Brewing Co. (which kills Ohio City on Sundays) ... there are a number of Warehouse Dist. eateries close up on Sundays, too... ... and GLBC fans take a back-to-back hit on our more patriotic holidays like Memorial Day, last weekend, and the 4th of July... I'm not knocking anybody's religious observance or sense of patriotism, but it rankles me that, in a city begging for people to come to urbanized areas and create a buzz like Ohio City and downtown that establishments Great Lakes, Lola (and plenty of others that feature darkness and upturned chairs on tables every Sunday) go a long way toward perpetuating the "ghost town" feel we applaud these places for helping to eliminate... I just don't get it; it makes Cleveland seem so Podunk-y.
June 8, 201015 yr ... btw, kudos those smaller places that hang in there and open Sundays, holidays, like the the Flying Fig (across from dark/huge GLBC), Bier Markt, Waterstreet Cafe, Johnny Mangos and others... Its against huge odds, and probably a lot of lonely waiters/waitresses, thanks to their bigger, timid neighbors, that these places fight to give downtown a pulse that visitors and residents wish it had more of.
June 8, 201015 yr Nice to hear things were buzzing, thanks for the report. I've noticed that 4th street is pretty much a ghost town on Sundays in the winter, but I don't get why places would be closed on Sundays in the summer. For selfish reasons I'm annoyed Chinato is closed on Sundays. Don't get me started; the "closed on Sundays" is a pet peeve of a number of key Cleveland downtown/urban restaurants, among them: Lola on E. 4th and Great Lakes Brewing Co. (which kills Ohio City on Sundays) ... there are a number of Warehouse Dist. eateries close up on Sundays, too... ... and GLBC fans take a back-to-back hit on our more patriotic holidays like Memorial Day, last weekend, and the 4th of July... I'm not knocking anybody's religious observance or sense of patriotism, but it rankles me that, in a city begging for people to come to urbanized areas and create a buzz like Ohio City and downtown that establishments Great Lakes, Lola (and plenty of others that feature darkness and upturned chairs on tables every Sunday) go a long way toward perpetuating the "ghost town" feel we applaud these places for helping to eliminate... I just don't get it; it makes Cleveland seem so Podunk-y. Not enough people drink alcoholic beverages on Sundays, and that is where alot of the above mentioned places make their money. I have a friend who owns several restaurants in Chicago, and he closes all of them on Sunday. There just is not enough money in food items in big places that bank alot of their revunue off of alcohol sales volume.
June 8, 201015 yr Nice to hear things were buzzing, thanks for the report. I've noticed that 4th street is pretty much a ghost town on Sundays in the winter, but I don't get why places would be closed on Sundays in the summer. For selfish reasons I'm annoyed Chinato is closed on Sundays. Don't get me started; the "closed on Sundays" is a pet peeve of a number of key Cleveland downtown/urban restaurants, among them: Lola on E. 4th and Great Lakes Brewing Co. (which kills Ohio City on Sundays) ... there are a number of Warehouse Dist. eateries close up on Sundays, too... ... and GLBC fans take a back-to-back hit on our more patriotic holidays like Memorial Day, last weekend, and the 4th of July... I'm not knocking anybody's religious observance or sense of patriotism, but it rankles me that, in a city begging for people to come to urbanized areas and create a buzz like Ohio City and downtown that establishments Great Lakes, Lola (and plenty of others that feature darkness and upturned chairs on tables every Sunday) go a long way toward perpetuating the "ghost town" feel we applaud these places for helping to eliminate... I just don't get it; it makes Cleveland seem so Podunk-y. Well stated. I have said this a million times. Thanks for echoing the sentiment. I have yet to go to the exhibit, but one thing that disappointed me from the outside is that the murals are so dark at night. You would think that an exhibition of this caliber would somehow light up those windows a bit at night.
June 8, 201015 yr ^That makes sense, it just hasn't been my experience at all in other cities. Honestly, it didn't cross my mind the Chinato might be closed on Sunday until I couldn't fund a reservation on OpenTable . But I know markets are different. I wonder though if the hours of E4th will continue to evolve. Seems like nice sunny Sundays when there are events downtown (like Murray Hill's report) would draw a lot of walk-ups to the outdoor seating. Are the plants/flowers out now on East 4th?
June 8, 201015 yr I have heard many sensible reasons why many places close at times you would think they should be open. It is a very debatable point with validity on both sides: being open or closing, however, I cannot keep track of how many visitors to downtown that I have witnessed walking around wishing they could go into a place and it is closed. Even on prime time Saturday afternoon on a bright sunny day! I hear the reactions and it is frustrating.
June 8, 201015 yr Closed on Sunday is not a downtown phenomenon. Scores of restaurant in the burbs, especially independents or those which are family owned, are closed on Sunday.
June 8, 201015 yr Nice to hear things were buzzing, thanks for the report. I've noticed that 4th street is pretty much a ghost town on Sundays in the winter, but I don't get why places would be closed on Sundays in the summer. For selfish reasons I'm annoyed Chinato is closed on Sundays. Don't get me started; the "closed on Sundays" is a pet peeve of a number of key Cleveland downtown/urban restaurants, among them: Lola on E. 4th and Great Lakes Brewing Co. (which kills Ohio City on Sundays) ... there are a number of Warehouse Dist. eateries close up on Sundays, too... ... and GLBC fans take a back-to-back hit on our more patriotic holidays like Memorial Day, last weekend, and the 4th of July... I'm not knocking anybody's religious observance or sense of patriotism, but it rankles me that, in a city begging for people to come to urbanized areas and create a buzz like Ohio City and downtown that establishments Great Lakes, Lola (and plenty of others that feature darkness and upturned chairs on tables every Sunday) go a long way toward perpetuating the "ghost town" feel we applaud these places for helping to eliminate... I just don't get it; it makes Cleveland seem so Podunk-y. Not enough people drink alcoholic beverages on Sundays, and that is where alot of the above mentioned places make their money. I have a friend who owns several restaurants in Chicago, and he closes all of them on Sunday. There just is not enough money in food items in big places that bank alot of their revunue off of alcohol sales volume. Don't you have to hold a special kind of liquor license to sell alchohol on Sundays? If so, I'm sure there is a cost-benefit analysis at play.
June 8, 201015 yr Yep, there is a separate license for Sundays. I will have to look at the license at work to see how much extra it costs. Additionally, isn't there some law about liquor licenses and churches and Sunday? I recall a ballot initiative in Tremont to change that law. Since I work in a restaurant that IS open on Sundays, I can say that there are plenty of people in the town that eat out. We do get a lot of people calling who assume we aren't open. I also figure its sort of a chicken and egg phenomenon. Visitors to town of course need somewhere to eat, but its a generally established fact that downtown doesn't have a lot of choices on Sunday, so people stay out in the burbs.
June 8, 201015 yr Closed on Sunday is not a downtown phenomenon. Scores of restaurant in the burbs, especially independents or those which are family owned, are closed on Sunday. I don't have problem with closing on Sunday, in fact advocate a day where commerce should just give it a rest.......But in the CBD, Saturdays might be the only time some can get out and enjoy a day. I guess if we go downtown, we're SOL, then.
June 8, 201015 yr Wow...my post was merely to report BODIES is drawing a lot of people to E. 4th who wouldn't normally have gone! I honestly didn't expect it to be so crowded. Wasn't trying to cause this crazy business argument....but some people do bring up some good points.
June 11, 201015 yr Just wanted to report I went to BODIES this past sunday, and the place was packed. How was your visit to BODIES over the weekend? My friend and I are planning to actually go soon and I have high hopes for it. I think this has to partly do with seeing BodyWorld Exhibit a few years ago. I really enjoyed it and learned a lot. I have walked past the BODIES exhibit a few times already this week and people have been going in but I've yet to hear anything. I'm hoping to go next weekend or so. As a side note, I've been going to E.4th the past few weeknights and it has been pretty packed. It's really nice to see because there is a lot to offer but it is sad to see some places not open but that is an issue all on it's own. haha :)
June 11, 201015 yr This whole concept of looking at dismembered bodies is sick. If you enjoy it you are either a creepo or a pre-med student.
June 11, 201015 yr This whole concept of looking at dismembered bodies is sick. If you enjoy it you are either a creepo or a pre-med student. I thought happy hour starts later on in the afternoon.
June 11, 201015 yr I really like the new Caddyshack and the golf simulators at 668 -- its always great to have something different and active (like Corner Alley's Bowling) rather than just the sit-on-you-ass drink and eat greasy spoons we have downtown (that aren't named Lola, Zinc, Johnny's, San Souci, etc...)... I am a little worried that the little bar, eating establishment may have trouble. Its a very large space, but even Memorial Day Saturday night, when it was warm and perfect downtown, and jammed on E. 4th, there was very low patronage in Caddyshacks' restaurant/bar (I forget the name)...
June 11, 201015 yr I really like the new Caddyshack and the golf simulators at 668 -- its always great to have something different and active (like Corner Alley's Bowling) rather than just the sit-on-you-ass drink and eat greasy spoons we have downtown (that aren't named Lola, Zinc, Johnny's, San Souci, etc...)... I am a little worried that the little bar, eating establishment may have trouble. Its a very large space, but even Memorial Day Saturday night, when it was warm and perfect downtown, and jammed on E. 4th, there was very low patronage in Caddyshacks' restaurant/bar (I forget the name)... I brought someone there this weekend and he absolutely loved it. He'll definitely be back. I'm guessing just not too many people know about it yet. I hope they stay open...it's a great type of place to have downtown. Maybe we need to have our next UO happy hour there to support it... Just wanted to report I went to BODIES this past sunday, and the place was packed. How was your visit to BODIES over the weekend? My friend and I are planning to actually go soon and I have high hopes for it. I think this has to partly do with seeing BodyWorld Exhibit a few years ago. I really enjoyed it and learned a lot. I have walked past the BODIES exhibit a few times already this week and people have been going in but I've yet to hear anything. I'm hoping to go next weekend or so. As a side note, I've been going to E.4th the past few weeknights and it has been pretty packed. It's really nice to see because there is a lot to offer but it is sad to see some places not open but that is an issue all on it's own. haha :) It was more packed and better than I expected. You know it's a draw for people who usually don't patronize E. 4th when I'm standing infront of Flannery's and had numerous people ask which direction to BODIES. The exhibit itself was very educational...and the sounds/visuals made me feel like I was in a museum. A little preview: there's one neat part where they show healthy lungs and black smokers lungs...then they have a place where you can drop your cigarettes in a bin -- I saw one guy do it. This whole concept of looking at dismembered bodies is sick. If you enjoy it you are either a creepo or a pre-med student. Whatever your beliefs, it's getting people down there. I personally learned quite a bit from it, but I missed it when it was at the science center.
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