February 4, 200916 yr back to development... I heard that there is a law suit filed on the lease agreement for the space that was originally going to be a black finn's. I'm not sure who is suing who (Blackfinn and MRN). That lingering lawsuit has prevented them from being able to look for another tennant for that space.
February 4, 200916 yr A.) I would have said "timeout" to that cat if his camera was up in my grill like that. B.) Is there action going on inside that space across from Flannery's on the other side of East 4th? (On the north side of Prospect)
February 4, 200916 yr ^ Regarding B. Currently that space is being used for the staging area for the work at Greenhouse Tavern. I have also heard that there is a tenative agreement in place for that space, but that the work there wouldn't begin until mid - late spring. I can not divulge details at this point. Except to say it is a local high quality restauranteur (whom has another establishment in town). I was actually quite impressed when i heard who it was. I guess in fairness, nothing is signed yet... but the person I heard this from spoke directly to the would be owner... so it's a pretty solid source.
February 4, 200916 yr ^ Regarding B. Currently that space is being used for the staging area for the work at Greenhouse Tavern. I have also heard that there is a tenative agreement in place for that space, but that the work there wouldn't begin until mid - late spring. I can not divulge details at this point. Except to say it is a local high quality restauranteur (whom has another establishment in town). I was actually quite impressed when i heard who it was. I guess in fairness, nothing is signed yet... but the person I heard this from spoke directly to the would be owner... so it's a pretty solid source. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
February 5, 200916 yr I agree. I really like being down in that neighborhood. I still think they could use a bakery or ice cream place. I was down in miami a couple weeks ago and they had an interesting place called Yogurbella http://yogurbella.com/ they make their own low fat frozen yogurt and coat it with fresh fruit of your choice. Reall tasty, healthy and good concept. I mean...81 indians games and more cavs games in the spring, you think that could sustain a dessert place.
February 5, 200916 yr my small qualm. another restaurant? I guess it is an entertainment district. I also wonder, at what point is the pull from one location going to effect other restaurant districts in cleveland. I am sure any tremonter wouldn't mind fewer cars in the neighborhood on a weekend. but still.
February 5, 200916 yr my small qualm. another restaurant? I guess it is an entertainment district. I also wonder, at what point is the pull from one location going to effect other restaurant districts in cleveland. I am sure any tremonter wouldn't mind fewer cars in the neighborhood on a weekend. but still. I would guess the impact is the same as in the past. Nothing. Honestly, I don't understand why some people think a new restaurant will hurt another area. Lets look at Cadillac Ranch hurt or help? It's brought new people down to the area, that wouldn't have come. Those that came and didn't like, chose to venture to many of the other restaurant offerings.
February 5, 200916 yr I wonder this because it is a cleveland restaurateur, and whether it is a new venue, or a move of another venue. I don't mean pulling people off the streets, I mean pulling establishments from one place to another. the two thoughts are not connected. one, that it is another restaurant. two, that this is a cleveland restaurateur.
February 5, 200916 yr I'm under the impression this is a new (additional) restaurant not a restaurant moving from another area to East 4th
February 5, 200916 yr Im extremely curious. McCleveland, no assumptions will be made...how about the first letter of the restaurant or the city/neighborhood the current establishment resides in.
February 6, 200916 yr MRN (E 4th developer/owner) despite doing great things to this street is one of the worst property owners downtown at shoveling their sidewalks. E. 4th itself is not a problem but once you turn the corner onto Euclid or Prospect and it's always a sheet of ice but its free of snow/ice at Colonial Marketplace, BP or 515. It's almost like they are trying to force people to use the valet when they drive in for dinner. Can the city make them shovel/salt? Why don't they have enough respect for patrons and tenants to shovel the dang sidewalk? The coffee shop is starting to look like a coffee shop, but you'd better not get it to go or you'll slip on your @$$!
February 9, 200916 yr Q about 4th. What's going on at the little space sort of "in between" Corner Alley and Pickwick on the E side of the street? Looks like a small storefront with a lot of plywood outside. Just up from Pickwick I *thought* was the Greenhouse Tavern space; is that not where it's going to be? (further up says across from Flannery's).
February 9, 200916 yr ^ I think that is the entrance for the new apartments above Corner Alley and the management office above Pickwick.
February 9, 200916 yr ^you are correct. Also, there is a sign in the window at Erie Island Brewing Co. now. They will be open February 19. Space is really coming along.
February 9, 200916 yr no erie island is going in where the former east 4th offices were next to saigon. The "blackfinn" space from what I understand is in litigation over the lease, which is tying their ability to find a tennant.
February 9, 200916 yr MRN (E 4th developer/owner) despite doing great things to this street is one of the worst property owners downtown at shoveling their sidewalks. E. 4th itself is not a problem but once you turn the corner onto Euclid or Prospect and it's always a sheet of ice but its free of snow/ice at Colonial Marketplace, BP or 515. It's almost like they are trying to force people to use the valet when they drive in for dinner. Can the city make them shovel/salt? Why don't they have enough respect for patrons and tenants to shovel the dang sidewalk? The coffee shop is starting to look like a coffee shop, but you'd better not get it to go or you'll slip on your @$$! The sidewalk heading west from E.4 to Ontario is of particular treachery.
February 12, 200916 yr back to development... I heard that there is a law suit filed on the lease agreement for the space that was originally going to be a black finn's. I'm not sure who is suing who (Blackfinn and MRN). That lingering lawsuit has prevented them from being able to look for another tennant for that space. Is that the space that is on the southwest corner of 4th and Euclid? If not, what are (if any) the plans for that space?
February 16, 200916 yr Interesting little article... http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20090216/FREE/902139950 Glazen Studios founder brews up new business By JOHN BOOTH 4:30 am, February 16, 2009 The first landlocked Erie Island Coffee Co. store is set to open this Thursday, Feb. 19, on East Fourth Street in downtown Cleveland, with two others in the works if all goes well. Alan Glazen, founder of Cleveland’s Glazen Creative Studios, co-founded the original Erie Island shop on Kelleys Island last year with Reuben Martin, Annalie Glazen and Scott Stevenson. The 40-seat East Fourth restaurant will employ about 10 people and offer a soup, salad and sandwich menu. Mr. Glazen said locations on West 25th Street in Cleveland and at University Circle are planned to open over the next 12 to 18 months.
February 16, 200916 yr Awesome! I have to say, I'm very thankful for Cleveland's local offerings, especially when it comes to coffee. I hate Starbucks and most national chains like them, and it's nice to see local coffeeshops doing well and expanding.
February 18, 200916 yr interesting little video on erie island coffee co. (aside from Mulready's incredibly annoying cloverleaf style filming) http://www.coolcleveland.com/files/video/erie.html
February 18, 200916 yr Still waiting for you to dish the possible restaurant tenant across from Flannerys. How come you can disclose that?
February 24, 200916 yr Any reports on the coffee shop? Does it fit well into the neighborhood? Good products?
March 23, 200916 yr Any reports on the coffee shop? Does it fit well into the neighborhood? Good products? I went into Erie Island today around noon. It was my third time in there over the past 2-3 weeks. I was pleasantly surprised to see a fairly bustling crowd of maybe 15+ people in there. I tried to order a breakfast sandwhich, but they were all out. The server said that it had been a "crazy morning". So I ordered a pastry and sat and drank my coffee. I watched at least a dozen people come in and out in the 15 minutes that I sat there -- all of which is great. It seems like there was definitely some pent-up demand for something like this in the neighborhood (I know that I couldn't wait for something like it to open). I think it's a great addition and I hope the level of activity that I saw today is consistently achieved going forward. As for the coffee, food, and service, I've got no complaints. It's been fine everytime I've been in there. Now, I can't wait for Greenhouse to open as they will also be open for breakfast, which will provide another good weekend option.
March 23, 200916 yr I've been in there once. Good coffee, muffin was ok I guess, considering I never seem to like the pastries I get at cafe's, especially not at the prices they charge for pastries. Glad to have something like it in the neighborhood, though I personally have mostly cut out that sort of thing from my budget.
March 27, 200916 yr A couple shots from East 4th today... 1. The new entrance to the Euclid Block Apartments. They were supposed to use a white spandrel glass above the entryway to tie in to the corner alley facade, but apparently they conviently forgot that. At the least, there will be a blue awning here (like the entrances to all other residences on 4th) and some new signage for their offices. 2. You may not know it by this picture but it looks like the Greenhouse Tavern is about to pop. I strongly suggest walking by and peeking your head in the window if you are in the area, it looks great. Hopefully we won't have to wait to much longer for this place to open! 3. New tables and chairs have arrived for the Erie Island Coffee Co. Patio (I'd imagine that EIC along with lastrada will be recieving their patio fences soon)...
March 27, 200916 yr Mmmmm, coffeeeee...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 27, 200916 yr Went to Erie Island Coffee Co for lunch today with the girlfriend after class. I had a southwest chicken crush panini and a strawberry banana smoothie and the gf had the soup of the day, total came to about $13.50. The panini was very good as was the soup, but the sandwhich seemed a bit small for $6.00, ah well was still delicious. I defo will be going back again to try the french toast crush and to try the coffee. Nice atmosphere and setup inside as well.
March 28, 200916 yr Ah, warmth and outdoor seating at last... I really like Erie Island Coffee's intimate, homey set up, the window seats and free wifi,... and the very good coffee... From the looks of all the foot traffic, the place seems an instant hit. Now, bring on the Greenhouse Tavern!
March 28, 200916 yr I walked my dog down East 4th Street yesterday afternoon and there were some people sitting outside Erie Coffee Company. Since their coffee is non alcoholic, they can have tables and chairs outside without having a metal fence surrounding them. That's a first for the area and really helps give the street a friendly, inclusive feel.
March 28, 200916 yr Good point about the barrierless seating. It really is unfortunate that we think it's necessary here in the US. It's so much better to see seats spilling into the piazzas and open spaces in European cities. I'm surprised East fourth hasn't tried to create an open container ordinance for the whole street. They do it in Erie PA, would be cool to see it happen here.
March 28, 200916 yr ^I agree, but that's a *State* law requiring the barriers with the booze. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 2, 200916 yr Greenhouse Tavern now has signage up, i didnt have a camera with me last night but it looks good. It isnt a back light sign but a wooden square perpendicular to the building with the tree logo on it.
April 2, 200916 yr There are other elements to the signage that haven't been installed yet. it's going to be very very cool when complete.
April 2, 200916 yr There are other elements to the signage that haven't been installed yet. it's going to be very very cool when complete. Picture please. Come on Mayor, go out for a coffee and snap a few! LOL
April 2, 200916 yr Just the part i saw last night looked great! Cant wait to see what else thet add to it
April 2, 200916 yr Sawyer's wife has a blog and she posted a pic a couple of days ago: http://www.chefswidow.com/2009/03/31/sign-of-the-times-the-tavern-times/
April 3, 200916 yr When the entire front is complete, which I would think would be within a week, I'll make sure it is up for all to see. :) By the main sign will be washed with light, which should create some really cool shadow effects at night.
April 9, 200916 yr Just walked by Greenhouse Tavern. They had a sign on the door saying they will be officially open to the public on Monday April 13th.
April 12, 200916 yr w28th - Forget what I said about the Erie coffee company tables and stairs being unrestricted from the gate. They put up a metal fence around them... That street's starting to feel like a cattle chute.
April 12, 200916 yr Good point about the barrierless seating. It really is unfortunate that we think it's necessary here in the US. It's so much better to see seats spilling into the piazzas and open spaces in European cities. I'm surprised East fourth hasn't tried to create an open container ordinance for the whole street. They do it in Erie PA, would be cool to see it happen here. I agree. I like that kind of ambiguity. Enclosure makes the establishment and even the street look more exclusive. When you have street furniture all over the place and it isn't legible what establishment it belongs to, it feels more inviting, more comfortable, more open. The worst is when you see a cheap railing that's like 1 foot high - what's the point? I've seen that in Downtown Columbus. It's basically just something for old people with dementia to trip over. Not trying to downgrade the development; overall I think it looks nice. I just think it's a dumb law that is out of our control.
April 14, 200916 yr I made it inside the greenhouse for their opening night of open-ness. there were platters going about, but I managed to only eat a cookie and some kind of cracker thing. apparently it was gourmet, because I was still hungry. the space was beautiful, with much of the buildout of the "oh how clever, they used x to make a y," variety. I was immediately annoyed by all the little fences on the street. you can't actually stand inside the fenced areas and drink. apparently the fencing keeps the tables and chairs from running away. I did not know this was a problem.
April 14, 200916 yr ^most states require a separate liquor license for outdoor dining. Perhaps they did not want to wait for the 2nd license before opening. Just a thought. (you can drink at the other restaurant's patios right?)
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