June 11, 201015 yr I really like the new Caddyshack and the golf simulators at 668 -- its always great to have something different and active (like Corner Alley's Bowling) rather than just the sit-on-you-ass drink and eat greasy spoons we have downtown (that aren't named Lola, Zinc, Johnny's, San Souci, etc...)... I am a little worried that the little bar, eating establishment may have trouble. Its a very large space, but even Memorial Day Saturday night, when it was warm and perfect downtown, and jammed on E. 4th, there was very low patronage in Caddyshacks' restaurant/bar (I forget the name)... I have often thought that without diversifying interspersing shops and other venues/retail...that the downtown will soon look like one giant outdoor food court. ^ MH... Good exhibit.. I will have to pay attention to that particular one when I go. I hope things like that will reduce the pitching of butts on the sidewalks.... standing in doors puffing away.
June 11, 201015 yr You're right, EC, it tends to look that way sometimes... I guess at the moment beggars can't be choosy and any way we can generate foot traffic (and we still have too many dead times/dead zones downtown) it is good. But we won't become that 24/7 city that we hope for unless we get some kind of retail as well as other stuff to do. I would even go for a nice 7-11 right near E. 4th.... and the CVS is, at the moment, too far removed from the center of activity to have much of an impact. 7-11? CVS? ... you laugh, but mundane as these venues are, they tend to bring in constant foot traffic that readily cures dead zones (plus they provide residents with needed stuff, ta boot)... I still believe E. 4th is prime for a grocery store. ... not that I prefer 1 over the other (because I want them both to succeed), but I believe E.4th/Gateway has more potential than the WHD, because E. 4th is much more compact/dense with much less annoying surface parking. Plus, lets face it, E. 4th is our traditional CBD; the downtown that most of us relate to as the traditional downtown. The WHD was Cleveland's CBD in the mid-19th century. 668 is a HUGE leap forward for the area and I think we're only just beginning to feel the positive ripple effects from that complex. Lower Euclid should be the corridor we continue to develop first before we lose focus and run to some out-of-the-way corner of downtown, because land is cheap and/or development is easier.
June 12, 201015 yr We just need to fill in the gaps with appropriate things that are functional to the daily needs of residents in and near downtown to complete the puzzle. The foot traffic needs to be "stretched" outside these enclaves.
June 15, 201015 yr We just need to fill in the gaps with appropriate things that are functional to the daily needs of residents in and near downtown to complete the puzzle. The foot traffic needs to be "stretched" outside these enclaves. I agree but I think it would take time before they put one in due to the economy. But it would be nice to have a grocery store downtown, especially since a lot of people are still being frugal and shopping at Walmart due to the economy. Also, has anyone been to the restaurant connected to 668 (above the parking garage), I can't remember what it is called but I'm pretty sure it starts with a "Z" or something along those lines. I saw a sign that it was open for dinner and really want to check it out. I also saw there is also outdoor seating (which is a plus for me because I like the outdoors :)).
June 22, 201014 yr "Zoup!" opens today...it's right next door to Teresa's Pizza. Ribbon cutting this morning at 9:45. http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/lifestyle/food/zoup-to-add-more-color-to-popular-e-4th-entertainment-district-in-downtown-cleveland
June 22, 201014 yr Dude, they're open until 7pm, even on Saturdays!!!!! I am going the first chance I get.
June 22, 201014 yr ^^??? I walked in to Zoup! last week and there were people eating. In fact it was so crowded I promptly turned around and left.
June 22, 201014 yr It must be the "official grand opening" then....or maybe the news story is just wrong.
June 22, 201014 yr It's probably just the Grand Opening. Places usually open a little before that so they have everything running smoothly before the publicity of the Grand Opening.
June 22, 201014 yr That makes sense. You don't want things going wrong at the big party. Most service industry establishments have "soft" openings. Another place to eat! Nice. Next up. East ninth street. LOL
June 22, 201014 yr Where exactly on the street is this? The article says Euclid and 4th but that can't be correct with the dead people's show and corner alley occupying those two spaces. Other side of Euclid? Anyways, I actually don't care much for their soup, but the wraps are pretty good and are generally neat (meaning you might be able to eat one without having to use 10 napkins)
June 22, 201014 yr Moved all discussion of Chocolate Bar to the "Cleveland Eateries..." thread. This thread is for discussion of development along East 4th, not for discussion of the quality of restaurant's food, let alone the discussion of what restaurants "better do if they want to stay in business". http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3577.270.html
July 15, 201014 yr They're finally building out the last remaining vacant space in the middle of East 4th Street (east side of the street) for a new "retail tenant". They wouldn't tell me who, but said an announcement should be coming in a month. The space has a really cool, big staircase in the middle of it towards the back that goes down to the basement. I hope they can keep that intact.
July 15, 201014 yr They're finally building out the last remaining vacant space in the middle of East 4th Street (east side of the street) for a new "retail tenant". They wouldn't tell me who, but said an announcement should be coming in a month. The space has a really cool, big staircase in the middle of it towards the back that goes down to the basement. I hope they can keep that intact. Pic?
July 16, 201014 yr They're finally building out the last remaining vacant space in the middle of East 4th Street (east side of the street) for a new "retail tenant". They wouldn't tell me who, but said an announcement should be coming in a month. The space has a really cool, big staircase in the middle of it towards the back that goes down to the basement. I hope they can keep that intact. Retail, thank god. Hopefully something creative that can keep the collection of tenants interesting and diverse.
July 16, 201014 yr This might be a stupid question, but what exactly does "retail" encompass when talking about retail space? Does this include cafes and restaurants or is it restricted to merchants selling goods?
July 16, 201014 yr The direct sale of goods and commodities to consumers is how "retail" is commonly defined.
July 16, 201014 yr WRL is working on the design of the retail space. It will be names you've heard before with Cleveland retail... not a bad thing in this case.
July 16, 201014 yr So this is not going to be a restaurant or bar? Correct. thats interesting. i wonder what it will be.
July 16, 201014 yr WRL is working on the design of the retail space. It will be names you've heard before with Cleveland retail... not a bad thing in this case. How big is this space? Since you say names? I assume there will be more than one store in the space, correct? Are these my kind of stores?
July 16, 201014 yr LOL LOL Kohl's! I love Kohl's for their good cheap jeans and some other clothing (hit and miss) and their house stuff (pillows, sheets, kitchen junk, etc...). Just registered there for my wedding actually! Should I be ready to feel the wrath of the MTS?
July 16, 201014 yr Thank goodness something other than restaurant/bar.. (I think..until I see just what it is going to be) Adding a bit more of such would break up this giant outdoor food court look.
July 17, 201014 yr ^no. From what I've heard and can't share, it will be a nice addition to downtown. (and it won't be generic)
July 17, 201014 yr ^no. From what I've heard and can't share, it will be a nice addition to downtown. (and it won't be generic) a hint?
July 17, 201014 yr Is this new to the Greater Cleveland "retail" location a secret? ^^MTS. Do you mean like Kohls? Kohl's? No.... W28 said " It will be names you've heard before with Cleveland retail... not a bad thing in this case.", not the HQ of the hideous skirt convention!
July 17, 201014 yr Oh, just tell us for crying out loud! I don't think I can endure three pages of postings of MTS on the rag, EC fearing it will be a bar serving fried dolphins, and jam40jeff hoping for Fredericks of Parma so we can see Ukranian babes in babushkas (the last part would be OK though :-D). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 201014 yr its WRL? coool. my pipe dream would be Apple. Bohlin Cywinski Jackson does all of the Apple stores. Not to say that WRL couldn't be the local Arch of Record, but I'm sure they are pretty happy with the store in Beachwood. Who knows though.
July 18, 201014 yr Oh, just tell us for crying out loud! I don't think I can endure three pages of postings of MTS on the rag, EC fearing it will be a bar serving fried dolphins, and jam40jeff hoping for Fredericks of Parma so we can see Ukranian babes in babushkas (the last part would be OK though ;D ). Yeah, just tell ME! ;)
July 18, 201014 yr Is the average price of its products: -Less than $10 -between $10-$100 -between $100-$1000 -greater than $1000 (20 questions)
July 19, 201014 yr Malley's chocolate? That would make a killing there That's probably a good guess. I never thought of that.
July 19, 201014 yr Malley's chocolate? That would make a killing there That's probably a good guess. I never thought of that. WRL is working on the design of the retail space. It will be names you've heard before with Cleveland retail... not a bad thing in this case.
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