Allard soliciting input on Sands
 

 

11 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Allard soliciting input on Sands
 

 

Does Allard realize that he comes across as a tabloid writer with the way he words his solicitation? Anyway I hope we find out what the differences are.  The fact that several high up people have left CSU as outline in the Cleveland.com's article is disconcerting.

Allard's invite is "icky." More...

 

 

Hmmm. Maybe the board wants to remain a commuter school and Sands wanted to moved forward too quickly.

10 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Hmmm. Maybe the board wants to remain a commuter school and Sands wanted to moved forward too quickly.

I hope not but this is my fear that the board wants to play it more cautious.  I liked how Sands seemed to dream big.

1 hour ago, cle_guy90 said:

I hope not but this is my fear that the board wants to play it more cautious.  I liked how Sands seemed to dream big.

Bloomberg (gets along with everybody and raises money) does sound like the "cautious" choice. 

1 hour ago, cle_guy90 said:

The fact that several high up people have left CSU as outline in the Cleveland.com's article is disconcerting.

 

Maybe Sands was the reason.

Very poorly written release. Take the high road.  

5 hours ago, cle_guy90 said:

Does Allard realize that he comes across as a tabloid writer with the way he words his solicitation? Anyway I hope we find out what the differences are.  The fact that several high up people have left CSU as outline in the Cleveland.com's article is disconcerting.

 

Allard IS a tabloid writer 

 

Why does that guy make my mouth water for KFC?

Nice separation agreement.  In fact, it's finger lickin' good.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/04/cleveland-state-will-pay-outgoing-president-harlan-sands-nearly-1-million-and-offers-him-348000-teaching-job.html

Very happy for everyone who graduated!  But I am concerned on a larger scale that Cleveland’s public university graduated only 2,300 students:

 

 

5 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Very happy for everyone who graduated!  But I am concerned on a larger scale that Cleveland’s public university graduated only 2,300 students:

 

 

 

How many do you think they should have graduated?

CSU has some growing to do, and maybe some outreach to the local school districts could help. I don’t know if they do any already, but I don’t see how that could hurt.

1 hour ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Very happy for everyone who graduated!  But I am concerned on a larger scale that Cleveland’s public university graduated only 2,300 students:

 

 

 

 

Agreed - I'd like to see 5,000 - 6,000 per class. 

 

However, here's a more important indicator:

 

Number of students living on/adjacent to campus in 2009: 900.

 

Number of students living on/adjacent to campus in 2022: 3,800. 

 

Projected number for 2025: 5,000. 

1 hour ago, X said:

 

How many do you think they should have graduated?

 

I'm saying generally speaking, not saying this year is low.  To compete with peer cities in sheer number of graduates, Cleveland State has so much potential and needs to eventually be double or triple its size.

 

Case Western Reserve, for example, has awarded more degrees each year for at least the past decade (scroll to the last page):  https://case.edu/ir/sites/case.edu.ir/files/2021-06/Degrees Awarded by School 6.16.21.pdf

Edited May 17, 20223 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

 

Write up from Signal Cleveland on the results of their rebrand study. A lot of information they weren't able to get because it was redacted. They're still working to get the full report, but still an interesting read in the meantime. Reporting by Amy Morona. 

 

Cleveland State’s rebrand cost $1.4 million. Here’s some of what didn’t make it into the news release

 

 

Over the weekend, I was watching Premier League Lacrosse, an oddball collection of eight geographically-homeless lax teams that all play in a different city each week for their ten week season. This week's "home" was Charlotte. I believe Columbus is on the schedule later in the summer.

 

It got me thinking as I looked at the slightly boring graphics of Charlotte's distant downtown what a great spot CSU's Krenzler Field would be for one of their weekends.  Gorgeous views of Cleveland would promote both the school and the city to a small, young (ok, leave me out), and educated audience.  Does anybody know if PLL has been approached to play a weekend in Cleveland?

 

Interesting news

https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-state-leaders-and-notre-dame-college-discuss-partnersip/

WHOA

 

Cleveland State leaders have met with Notre Dame College about ‘absorbing’ the financially struggling school

Leaders met three times last fall, with Cleveland State officials calling the conversations opportunities ‘to explore the feasibility of CSU potentially absorbing Notre Dame College.’ Notre Dame told Signal Cleveland it has discussed a ‘partnership.’

by Amy Morona

January 26, 2024

 

Cleveland State University and Notre Dame College have met to discuss the university potentially absorbing the struggling private college.

 

Notre Dame is far smaller than Cleveland State. It enrolls about 1,050 full-time students and has an endowment of about $9.6 million, according to 2023 data compiled by Crain’s Cleveland Business. 

 

Cleveland State’s current physical footprint is confined to the city’s downtown. About 14,200 students were enrolled there last fall, a roughly 13% drop from five years ago.

 

https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-state-leaders-and-notre-dame-college-discuss-partnersip/

Wow if this merger goes through we can have Notre Dame University here too.

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

Wow if this merger goes through we can have Notre Dame University here too.

Notre Dame State

Might they retain NDC's South Euclid Campus?

^ From a sheer numbers perspectives, Cleveland needs a public university with much greater attendance than 14,000+ Absorbing 1,000 student hopefully can help with some momentum, to begin gaining student population again. 

Relatedly, CWRU enrollment this year of 12,266 … and is on pace to be larger than CSU is 4-5 years unless something changes. 

 

13 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said:

Might they retain NDC's South Euclid Campus?

How about this for reckless speculation. NDC has a football program. Imagine eventually D-1 football at CSU. Browns Stadium would then be useful 6 more days a year. 

How about this for reckless speculation. NDC has a football program. Imagine eventually D-1 football at CSU. Browns Stadium would then be useful 6 more days a year. 

That soccer stadium we're trying to get all of a sudden can be multipurpose and we can build it with Dorms, off campus apartments and retail surrounding it.

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On 1/26/2024 at 8:55 PM, MuRrAy HiLL said:

^ From a sheer numbers perspectives, Cleveland needs a public university with much greater attendance than 14,000+ Absorbing 1,000 student hopefully can help with some momentum, to begin gaining student population again. 

Relatedly, CWRU enrollment this year of 12,266 … and is on pace to be larger than CSU is 4-5 years unless something changes. 

 

College-age population declines are going to lead to more competition, more consolidation, and small schools closing in the coming decades.  A lot of small small-town colleges will probably disappear.

Guys. Maybe not so reckless speculation!

 

“Cleveland State has never had a college football program, while Notre Dame’s team has made the NCAA Division II playoffs multiple times.”

 

https://signalcleveland.org/possible-game-changing-move-for-cleveland-state-university-and-notre-dame-college/

 respectable lower-tier mid-major basketball team, a very bad football program. csu would fit right in with the the rest of the MAC. 

would raise the profile of the school, locally 

2 hours ago, marty15 said:

Guys. Maybe not so reckless speculation!

 

“Cleveland State has never had a college football program, while Notre Dame’s team has made the NCAA Division II playoffs multiple times.”

 

https://signalcleveland.org/possible-game-changing-move-for-cleveland-state-university-and-notre-dame-college/

Notre Dame has an excellent baseball program as well. Travis Fryman (Indians 3rd baseman) used to be their head coach; Len Barker (Indians pitcher) is now.

I didn't realize CSU was treating the ND situation as a potential test case for future agreements with other struggling liberal-arts schools. 

 

I'm obviously not hoping for any of these institutions to fail, but if Cleveland State is able to pull off the ND case in a way that is beneficial to existing students and staff then maybe we see a fairly rapid expansion of CSU through acquisition/merger.

 

Notre Dame College says no update yet on its future

by Amy Morona

February 15, 2024

 

Bloomberg went on to say that the university, as part of its recent work with the accounting and consulting firm Ernst & Young, decided this might not be the only situation where the institution could be talking “with a small private college in this area that might be struggling, or thinking about closing, or thinking about whether they can be acquired.” 

 

Cleveland State officials moved on to think about Notre Dame College as “something of a test case,” according to Bloomberg.

 

This work, she added, could “help us come up with a rubric, what would be the things that we would think about if we were to consider a different kind of relationship” such as a merger, an acquisition or a strategic partnership with a type of revenue-sharing model. 

 

https://signalcleveland.org/notre-dame-college-says-no-update-yet-on-its-future/

Oh no!!

 

Sounds like no merger with CSU as well.

 

 

Officially from the Notre Dane: 9 nearby universities … presumably including CSU .. will be there to absorb / transition the students into next semester:

 

 

Notre Dame College  Is Closing at the end of the semester.  https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cuyahoga-county/notre-dame-college-to-close-at-end-of-this-semester/95-ded59e15-51e5-4638-84ec-529621b4c29b

14 hours ago, simplythis said:

Notre Dame College  Is Closing at the end of the semester.  https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cuyahoga-county/notre-dame-college-to-close-at-end-of-this-semester/95-ded59e15-51e5-4638-84ec-529621b4c29b

So is it safe to say that they won't be merging with Cleveland State?

1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

So is it safe to say that they won't be merging with Cleveland State?

 

I wonder if CSU could get their hands on an email list of ND students and make and offer to transfer? 

3 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

I wonder if CSU could get their hands on an email list of ND students and make and offer to transfer? 

The article talks about area colleges and universities taking active students. 

I recently graduated from CSU and received an email about them taking on students from Notre Dame so they are for sure taking students.

I would expect for CSU to take on the property somehow as an eastern campus, or for a Jewish college to potentially take over the site. I would truly doubt that it’s ever redeveloped in any other type of way. 

Maybe Hawken wants the land

Here in Missouri small catholic Fontbonne University is closing and being swallowed by the adjacent much larger and more renowned Washington University in St. Louis. Feels like this is a growing trend of mergers and acquisitions within the education world where these tiny colleges despite their debt are becoming attractive to larger peers wanting to absorb their enrolment numbers and campuses. 

I know this thread is about development-specific news surrounding Cleveland State, but does anyone know if they’re planning on expanding research or making more investments in the academic programs to complement the campus master plan? I’ve had trouble finding any releases on that subject since they released their plan two years ago. 

Edited March 14, 20241 yr by BuckeyeNative

32 minutes ago, BuckeyeNative said:

I know this thread is about development-specific news surrounding Cleveland State, but does anyone know if they’re planning on expanding research or making more investments in the academic programs to complement the campus master plan? I’ve had trouble finding any releases on that subject since they released their plan two years ago. 

 

With CSU's President Bloomberg (in the job less than two years) already hankering to move to Minnesota, you have to wonder where her priorities lie.  When she applied for the Minnesota job, the CSU trustees should have announced that her contract would not be extended.

52 minutes ago, Dougal said:

 

With CSU's President Bloomberg (in the job less than two years) already hankering to move to Minnesota, you have to wonder where her priorities lie.  When she applied for the Minnesota job, the CSU trustees should have announced that her contract would not be extended.

Quite the opposite:

https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-states-laura-bloomberg-vows-to-stay-at-university/

1 hour ago, Dougal said:

 

With CSU's President Bloomberg (in the job less than two years) already hankering to move to Minnesota, you have to wonder where her priorities lie.  When she applied for the Minnesota job, the CSU trustees should have announced that her contract would not be extended.

The idea that a person should be fired for applying for another job is completely ridiculous. Even more so in this case, where she was pursuing the President role at the institution where she grew her career and that she considers home. 

42 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

The idea that a person should be fired for applying for another job is completely ridiculous. Even more so in this case, where she was pursuing the President role at the institution where she grew her career and that she considers home. 

I think the fact that she was a finalist for a major AAU institution such Minnesota should be a good sign for Cleveland State

 

I didn’t mean to drag us off-topic, but I was curious because what’s happening there is one of the most important developments happening in Cleveland over the next 10-20 years. A major public university to go along with Case Western could not only reverse the brain drain, but bring even more talent to Cleveland from other parts of the country (and world!).

19 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Hey all, I am of course not a Mod, but reminder we do have a Cleveland State University thread for all non-Construction news and discussion:

 

usiness and Economy - UrbanOhio.com 

I would’ve posted my question if I knew that thread existed… my apologies!

13 hours ago, Geowizical said:

Quite the opposite:

https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-states-laura-bloomberg-vows-to-stay-at-university/

 She "vowed to stay" after Minnesota turned her down.  

 

She's in a CEO equivalent job.  With less than two years in the job she publicly announced that she had applied to work elsewhere.  At the CEO level, that is a bridge-burning move.  Then she gets turned down and says oops she'll stay after all.  That makes her a joke.  

 

That is not what CSU needs to grow into a top tier school.  Five-year contract?  The board should be prepared to buy out the last two and start the search for a new president now.