^Yeah, I saw that report, but I'm not sure what to think about it yet.  It doesn't seem to take into account merchandise sales which is a large part of a sports revenue. 

 

It's very hard to put a value on a high profile sports team.  They don't only bring in revenue through ticket and merchandise sales, but if their good they also tend to increase the amount of general donations made to the University.  A good football or basketball team also tends to increase general school apparel sales and can increase enrollment and prestige of the University. 

 

It's a more difficult question to answer then I thought it would be because the accounting of college sports programs seems to operate a little differently.  It seems to me that the football and basketball programs of the major colleges make the school money or, at the very least, are a worthwhile marketing investment. 

 

To the issue of merchandise sales -- the only sure thing is that the amount of royalties an institution receives will fluctuate as the teams meet with success or failure.  Those royalties are a small percentage of the merchandise sales (6% to 12%).  When you see an Ohio State t-shirt at WalMart, Columbus is only seeing the royalty.  Trust me, the amount of merchandise actually sold by the institution is not making anyone rich nor is it enough to fund a sport.  Additionally, the expense of running merchandise sales takes a huge cut of any profits.  In the end the only one making serious money is the merchandise manufacturer.  They don't take a risk on emblematic inventory since they only make the goods once they are ordered by the institution or another retailer.

^Well, let's say Ohio State sells $5 million in merchandise.  If their royalty is 10% (for ease of calculation) that's $500,000 in straight profit.  I also read an article that stated Ohio State makes approximately $500,000 a year in profit on game day merchandise sales, which is handled separately from their licensing deals.

 

You're right, it won't fund a football program, but it's a piece that is generally missing from most of the analysis I've seen.

 

Maybe this discussion belongs somewhere else.  We're dangerously veering off the CSU News & Info topic!

I don't think banking on an MLS team in Cleveland anytime soon to share with CSU football is wise... do you think the MLS would put a team that close to Columbus?  Cleveland, a midwest market that already has 3 professional sports teams?

We were slated for an MLS team a couple of years ago.  Remember Wolstein's MLS stadium/lifestyle center deal that didn't quite pan out on the real estate end?

^I remember that... with a site which was slated for Summit County, if I recall? 

Yes, though they were thinking far northern Summit County.  I'm sure that they were considering all of NEO as their market though.

I'll have to do some research, but I remember it as they were looking to being the talks in hopes of luring an expansion MLS franchise, not that the MLS was actively pursuing the NEO market.

I don't think CSU adding football makes much sense.

 

Reasoning?

 

They don't have a stadium and because it's an expensive sport, even if non-scholarship. It will lose money and I just don't think the University benefits all that much from it.

 

Interesting as for most schools the football program is one of the few athletic activities that earn money.

 

Apparently, all the sports would become non-scholarship and they would eventually raise tuition to help pay for it. It's supposed to take $10 million to start up and the team would be non-scholarship. I do not think it would be a bad idea for CSU to have a football team, seeing as it might bring more students (as well as parents, family, friends, close relatives, etc) into the Cleveland area and to support the school. Cleveland State is very underrated and while it may not be the best, they are really trying to renovate the area to make it more residential. Now, with the new dorms coming up, they are heading towards that direction. If more people came to CSU and they did start up a football team, it could bring a lot of PR to the downtown area. I attend CSU now and I see how little the CSU and surrounding community supports the sport team... maybe this will be the deal breaker to bring more people downtown? Or not. But, it's definitely not something that is being put on the back burner by Pres. Berkman.

I'll have to do some research, but I remember it as they were looking to being the talks in hopes of luring an expansion MLS franchise, not that the MLS was actively pursuing the NEO market.

 

I read a lot about the subject a few years ago and if I recall correctly, Cleveland was considered a leading  expansion candidate city.  Things went down the drain when the man who was a driving force behind our bid passed away.

I don't think CSU adding football makes much sense.

 

Reasoning?

 

They don't have a stadium and because it's an expensive sport, even if non-scholarship. It will lose money and I just don't think the University benefits all that much from it.

 

Interesting as for most schools the football program is one of the few athletic activities that earn money.

 

Apparently, all the sports would become non-scholarship

 

Not sure if I understand you correctly here, but I don't think all sports will go non-scholarship.  I suspect that sports like baseball, basketball, softball, volleyball, etc. would all still be scholarship.

I don't think CSU adding football makes much sense.

 

Reasoning?

 

They don't have a stadium and because it's an expensive sport, even if non-scholarship.  It will lose money and I just don't think the University benefits all that much from it.

 

Interesting as for most schools the football program is one of the few athletic activities that earn money.

 

Apparently, all the sports would become non-scholarship

 

Not sure if I understand you correctly here, but I don't think all sports will go non-scholarship.  I suspect that sports like baseball, basketball, softball, volleyball, etc. would all still be scholarship.

 

I was just thinking that.  The football team, if approved, would be non-scholarship for sure, but it would have no impact on the other sports' scholarships.

President Berkman is keeping up to his word:

 

Cleveland State University finds location for its elementary school

By Janet Okoben

May 01, 2010, 8:30AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland State University will pay $180,000 annually to lease First United Methodist Church for an elementary school the university is creating in partnership with the Cleveland School District.

 

CSU trustees have approved a one-year lease for offices in the back of the church, at East 30th Street and Euclid Avenue. It has been vacant since January after that congregation merged with the Epworth-Euclid United Methodist Church at University Circle. The church sanctuary is not part of the lease with CSU.

 

Eventually, CSU plans a complex including a high school

 

MORE AT http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/cleveland_state_university_fin.html

Another check mark for saying that "downtown" is a a real neighborhood.  This increases the chances that young families will stayin in or near downtown, since a school is located in close proximity. 

 

MTS likes this!

If this school is part of the CMSD, you have to assume that there will be a city-wide lottery for enrollment for at least some percentage of the seats.

<b>

Cleveland-Marshall College of Law Students Reach 90 Percent Bar Passage Rate</b>

 

CLEVELAND, May 4 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The bar passage rate for first-time test takers from Cleveland-Marshall College of Law at Cleveland State University in February hit 90 percent, according to recently released results.  Ohio Northern University Pettit College of Law ranked first with eight students tested. The College of Law at the University of Cincinnati ranked second with five students, and Cleveland-Marshall ranked third with 30 students tested. 

 

 

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cleveland-marshall-college-of-law-students-reach-90-percent-bar-passage-rate-92778054.html

President Berkman has been a pretty d@mn good pickup for the city...

 

Urban Med School To CSU

Monday, May 10, 2010

 

Just one year into his tenure as President of Cleveland State University, Dr. Ronald Berkman is set to add a major enhancement to C-S-U. ideastream®'s Rick Jackson reports that Berkman wants a public medical school on campus - and he's already found a willing partner.

 

Recognizing both the high vacancy rate in some medical jobs here - and sensing what he calls a need for a public medical school in the area, Ronald Berkman has championed a deal with the Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine and Pharmacy, based in Rootstown, to offer a Med School track at CSU’s downtown Cleveland campus.

 

Its focus will be primary medical care in urban communities - in keeping with Berkman’s goal of making CSU better reflect its urban surroundings. 

 

http://www.wcpn.org/WCPN/news/30672

 

 

 

I find the wording of the article to be odd. Is this going to be a real medical school? Will CSU or NEOUCM be the grantor of the MD? CSU Med students would be able to attend all eight years of college and med school locally - but must maintain the same standards any four year post-graduate medical school would demand. Berkman says the advantages here are the neighboring medical institutions of Cleveland.   Does this mean that the med school years will be in Rootstown or in Cleveland?  Still, I think this will draw a lot of students to CSU for undergrad. This is very promising.

 

President Berkman has been a pretty d@mn good pickup for the city...

 

Urban Med School To CSU

Monday, May 10, 2010

 

Just one year into his tenure as President of Cleveland State University, Dr. Ronald Berkman is set to add a major enhancement to C-S-U. ideastream®'s Rick Jackson reports that Berkman wants a public medical school on campus - and he's already found a willing partner.

 

Recognizing both the high vacancy rate in some medical jobs here - and sensing what he calls a need for a public medical school in the area, Ronald Berkman has championed a deal with the Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine and Pharmacy, based in Rootstown, to offer a Med School track at CSUs downtown Cleveland campus.

 

Its focus will be primary medical care in urban communities - in keeping with Berkmans goal of making CSU better reflect its urban surroundings.

 

http://www.wcpn.org/WCPN/news/30672

 

 

 

I've always felt that the Rootstown campus was a poor decision. It would have been much smarter to locate it with one of the existing state schools. The Rootstown campus looks like a small community college and is pretty isolated. It would draw a higher caliber of students if coupled with a large state school environment.

^Totally agree.  I know it's easy to say as a supporter of the Cleveland metro, but certain types of institutions would seem to have a much higher ceiling if located in decent sized metro areas rather than in the middle of nowhere...  I can't imagine NEUCOM has an easy time recruiting top notch faculty, for instance.  Exciting stuff for CSU!  Hopefull we'll have a nice faux-wood-sided med school campus downtown someday.  Kidding aside, if the CSU were to add some major new buildings, I wonder where they would go.  I know the area north of Chester has lots of capacity, but I'd almost rather see a CSU med school program located in Euclid east of the innerbelt so it could be more conspicuously part of the Health Tech corridor.

As a NEOUCOM student, I can say we would LOVE to be in downtown cleveland, but the akron/canton/y-town hospitals will not let that happen-- politics. On top of that the school just bought more land for its campus and unveiled plans for an an addition that will probably coincide with opening a dental school in rootstown.

I really dig this idea, and I agree that it should go east of campus on Euclid. 

Cleveland State University getting closer to goal of hosting medical students

By Janet Okoben

May 12, 2010, 9:00AM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland could soon be part of a public-university program producing doctors with an interest in helping underserved areas of the city.

 

A committee -- representing Cleveland State University and the Northeast Ohio Universities College of Medicine & Pharmacy -- has recommended an expansion of the Rootstown-based medical school that could have students from CSU and other area public universities taking classes and completing training in Cleveland.

 

It's a lot of "coulds," but the urban primary-care specialty at NEOUCOM could be on track by 2012, said Kathleen Ruff, chief of staff at NEOUCOM and a member of the study committee

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/cleveland_state_getting_closer.html

 

Sounds llike good news for the Campus International School, I am excited about the potential impact of this school.

 

High hopes for new Cleveland public school at CSU; closed church rented

By Janet Okoben

May 13, 2010, 9:45PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The new Campus International School at Cleveland State University was officially launched Thursday with ambitions as long as the school's name.

 

CSU President Ronald Berkman and Cleveland schools CEO Eugene Sanders said the school, which opens in August with kindergarten through second grade, will bring many low-income students closer to a college campus than perhaps they would have come otherwise.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/high_hopes_for_the_new_clevela.html

"Chinese will be the foreign language taught at the school, a fact cheered by several members of Cleveland's Asian community near downtown who came to the event to hear of the plans for the school. "

 

WHOA.  How about Cleveland and the future global economy.

This plan is shaping up very nicely.

I'm impressed with Chinese being the language offered. Very good idea imo.

Teaching Chinese is a great idea.  Hopefully it's long-term and they're starting young, because I get the impression that it's a very tough language to master!

I dont understand this. They are already in the process of this.

 

<b>CSU's transformation to a residential campus would be a boon to downtown Cleveland</b>

 

Back in the mid- '60s, Carl Stokes, then mayor of Cleveland, and James Rhodes, then governor of Ohio, wanted to revitalize Cleveland by putting a state university downtown. Cleveland State University was created and replaced Fenn College....

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/letters/2010/05/csus_transformation_to_a_resid.html

 

My guess is that the writer, a "former" faculty member and resident of Sagamore Hills has likely been "former" for a while and likely doesn't come down here much anymore.

My guess is that the writer, a "former" faculty member and resident of Sagamore Hills has likely been "former" for a while and likely doesn't come down here much anymore.

 

Evidently.  What a strange letter for the PD to publish.

Allright which one of you wrote this in response:

 

"Jim when is the last time you've been downtown and actually walked around?

Why are people, who never come into the city, quick to make assumptions.

Get out of your boring @ss suburb and see all the nice things the city has to offer."

 

Thanks, Mr. Julka!

 

Bill Julka, founder of technology company, donates $6 million to Cleveland State University for scholarships

By Karen Farkas, The Plain Dealer

May 26, 2010, 4:50PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An area businessman, who enrolled at Cleveland State University decades ago because the price was right and he could take classes at night, has donated $6 million to provide scholarships -- and opportunities -- to graduates of Cleveland's public high schools.

 

Anand "Bill" Julka's gift, the largest in CSU history dedicated to scholarships, is for students who pursue degrees in teaching, nursing, engineering and computer science.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/bill_julka_founder_of_technolo.html

Part of the new main classroom is open if no one has heard! It's only the bookstore, but it is a start to get a glimpse inside if anyone is interested :D

I really like this man, President Berkman...:

 

Keeping grads in city a top priority for Cleveland State University president

Published: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 8:50 AM   

Everdeen Mason, The Plain Dealer

 

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- One year after becoming president of Cleveland State University, Ronald Berkman has begun to make his mark at the school.

 

Berkman told a luncheon gathering Tuesday that in a year from now, 20 CSU students will begin medical school in a collaboration with Northeastern Ohio Universities Colleges of Medicine and Pharmacy.

 

It is part of his initiative to create opportunities for CSU students and hopefully keep many of them in town after graduation. He said most graduates would like to stay, but do not think they have career opportunities.

 

He outlined several other projects he thinks will allow students to learn while bettering the community:

 

- Get more students to live on campus.

- Join with the Cleveland schools on a teaching opportunity that will challenge both the CSU and Cleveland students.

- Create more visibility for CSU's nursing program.

 

Berkman believes if more students live on campus, they will be exposed to the community's cultural benefits. The community will benefit from the diversity the students provide.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/07/keeping_grads_in_city_top_prio.html

 

 

Yes, Cleveland State needs to become more of a residential school, and I think they've taken some good steps in that direction thus far.  The school also needs to change its name to "University of Cleveland, " even though I've heard that the Cincinnati folks would protest the idea of there being another "UC" in Ohio.

Why not CU? Cleveland University?

Yes, Cleveland State needs to become more of a residential school, and I think they've taken some good steps in that direction thus far. The school also needs to change its name to "University of Cleveland, " even though I've heard that the Cincinnati folks would protest the idea of there being another "UC" in Ohio.

 

I believe that Cleveland State University is the best and that they shouldn't change it. There is no reason for the change.

Definitely do not support the renaming of the school, I think changing it is just stupid at this point, it is what it is, after 40-50 years as CSU going University of Cleveland just seems like a lame attempt at brand change, just like the Jake went Prog, it ll always be the Jake, plus CSU sounds better

it is what it is, after 40-50 years as CSU going University of Cleveland just seems like a lame attempt at brand change

 

Actually, i think "Univ of Cleveland" sounds classier than CSU. Regardless of how good a state school is, the word "State" is never a prestigious thing, except maybe Penn State or Ohio State when you're talking sports. Of course, public schools are not necessarily less good than private schools--UC-Berkeley, for example, is an excellent and extremely competitive school. and it is public. then again, California has the UC system for its better schools and CSU--whatever town--for its lesser schools. (CSU here, being California State University). Names are important. The Jake to Progressive---was a naming rights deal for money--it had nothing to do with what people thought would be an improvement on 'the Jake'. Univ of Cleveland or Cleveland Univ (where Cle would then show up in alphabetical listing of schools on a national list) does sound a lot better than Cleveland State.

I actually agree with Pugu. I think that University of Cleveland sounds MUCH more appealing than Cleveland State University.

Ohio State is prestigious in academics. in fact, its the best public school in the state.  lets not pretend that the name, in reality, dictates the caliber of student it attracts.  people actually look at quality of education before deciding to invest tens of thousands of dollars and four years of their lives, not just a jazzy name.

Ohio State is prestigious in academics. in fact, its the best public school in the state. lets not pretend that the name, in reality, dictates the caliber of student it attracts. people actually look at quality of education before deciding to invest tens of thousands of dollars and four years of their lives, not just a jazzy name.

 

The name change wouldn't change what Cleveland State is, but it might change it's perception by high school seniors.  People I graduated with (in 2004) thought CSU was a community college similar to Cincinnati State and Columbus State.  A name change to the University of Cleveland or Cleveland University may have an immediate impact on how high school seniors view the former CSU and it would be a very good thing for the University.

 

Is it the most important thing?  Absolutely not, but let's not pretend it doesn't matter.  Most high school seniors (even the smart ones) are very superficial and names matter to them.

we also cant pretend that CSU has historically deserved great acclaim.  maybe people associate it with a community college because the school associates itself with community colleges in the area.

Ohio State is prestigious in academics. in fact, its the best public school in the state. lets not pretend that the name, in reality, dictates the caliber of student it attracts. people actually look at quality of education before deciding to invest tens of thousands of dollars and four years of their lives, not just a jazzy name.

 

The name change wouldn't change what Cleveland State is, but it might change it's perception by high school seniors. People I graduated with (in 2004) thought CSU was a community college similar to Cincinnati State and Columbus State. A name change to the University of Cleveland or Cleveland University may have an immediate impact on how high school seniors view the former CSU and it would be a very good thing for the University.

 

Is it the most important thing? Absolutely not, but let's not pretend it doesn't matter. Most high school seniors (even the smart ones) are very superficial and names matter to them.

 

Well trust me in that changing the name isn't going to have an impact on high school seniors. What cleveland state has done by building the new student center and dorms and education buildings has had a huge impact though. I know that since all of the new buzz, cleveland state has become one of high school seniors, in northeast ohio, top options for schools that they would like to attend and live at. And Cleveland State University is a better name because it relates to the other schools that kids around here are thinking about going to like Ohio State, Kent State,  and BGSU.

Well trust me in that changing the name isn't going to have an impact on high school seniors. What cleveland state has done by building the new student center and dorms and education buildings has had a huge impact though. I know that since all of the new buzz, cleveland state has become one of high school seniors, in northeast ohio, top options for schools that they would like to attend and live at.

 

How can you say that with such certainty?

 

I do agree that the building spree on campus has done wonders to change it's image and put it at least on the list of possible schools for a lot of high school seniors.  This apparent change in the culture of CSU would be a good time to change the name... that's all I'm saying.  I'd be fine if they kept the CSU name, but I would prefer the University of Cleveland.  Just a personal preference.

 

And Cleveland State University is a better name because it relates to the other schools that kids around here are thinking about going to like Ohio State, Kent State,  and BGSU.

 

University of Akron, University of Toledo, University of Cincinnati, University of Dayton... totally irrelevant point.

Well trust me in that changing the name isn't going to have an impact on high school seniors. What cleveland state has done by building the new student center and dorms and education buildings has had a huge impact though. I know that since all of the new buzz, cleveland state has become one of high school seniors, in northeast ohio, top options for schools that they would like to attend and live at.

 

How can you say that with such certainty?

 

I do agree that the building spree on campus has done wonders to change it's image and put it at least on the list of possible schools for a lot of high school seniors. This apparent change in the culture of CSU would be a good time to change the name... that's all I'm saying. I'd be fine if they kept the CSU name, but I would prefer the University of Cleveland. Just a personal preference.

 

And Cleveland State University is a better name because it relates to the other schools that kids around here are thinking about going to like Ohio State, Kent State, and BGSU.

 

University of Akron, University of Toledo, University of Cincinnati, University of Dayton... totally irrelevant point.

 

Most high school seniors in northeast ohio aren't planning on attending any of the schools you listed (besides University of Akron) or have even ever looked into them. And i know it wouldn't have an impact because Cleveland State University has more of a real college feel to it and i think University of Cleveland would actually make it seem more like a community college. And i know several high school seniors that are either going to or looked into cleveland state and i know for a FACT that Cleveland State has already built their image greatly amongst high school seniors and that several more seniors in 2010 have either committed to or considered Cleveland State than in 2009 or any year before that.

I don't think the name means a whole lot either....it's the environment the school presents.  Ohio State, when I was graduating high school, wasn't any different in terms of perception than the other higher regarded schools in Ohio.  Today it has changed, and that's due to the environment OSU has created (and brand it has developed).

 

When CSU shifts to a campus where there are a high % of students living there, it's perception will change.  I know a lot of kids from my high school who liked things about CSU (cost, close to home) but ultimately chose Kent or Akron because those schools had a campus with student life.

 

Personally, I don't believe schools become "better" academically.  They become more in demand - for whatever reason - and thus can be more selective about who they admit.  CSU has that opportunity to become more in demand, IMO, b/c if they can provide a campus with student life, Downtown Cleveland presents an attractive campus that might draw students who would otherwise go elsewhere.

^^If Cleveland State is only drawing from Northeast Ohio then that is problem #1.

 

Cleveland State has done a good job in recent years of marketing themselves.  I would be fine if CSU kept the name and started an aggressive marketing campaign across the Great Lakes Region highlighting it's academics and urban campus living.  CSU has/had an image of being a sub-par college and that can be a tough perception to shake from people.  A name change might help... that's all I'm trying to say.

 

Not sure what to make of your comment that most Northeast Ohio seniors have never looked into the University of Toledo, Cincinnati, or Dayton.  Very odd.  About 20% of my engineering class at UD were from Northeast Ohio.  Two of my sisters roommates (out of three) at UC are from Cleveland.  I don't think Northeast Ohio is any different from any other region in the amount of students it retains in local colleges and loses to others.

Most high school seniors in northeast ohio aren't planning on attending any of the schools you listed (besides University of Akron) or have even ever looked into them.

 

How can you say that with any certainty?  I applied to three schools: University of Toledo, Ohio State University, and CWRU.  My brother's wife went to UT.  A good friend growing up went to UT.  All were from NEO.  I actually know more people that went to or considered UT than KSU.

Don't quite understand the factually basis of your post ClevelandOhio...NE Ohio is a huge feeder school for Dayton, especially kids from Catholic high schools.  I also know many people who went to Toledo from the Cleveland area.