January 13, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, NW24HX said: I think in general the commissions provide a lot of value and often improve the design of projects from a developer's initial version But having said that, I think they're clearly wrong and also ill-informed in this case - as everyone above has brought up Updating the zoning code could curb a lot of the worst tendencies of the commissions while still providing a design review that ensures we're getting high-quality projects. Also, obviously appointing well-qualified but pro-growth commissioners would go a long way 10 stories at 4th & Say is out of place; 10 stories at 4th & High should be expected Exactly this, they serve a good purpose but push their limits. Like someone else said, they should only have a say about the design and look of the project and not the height. Now If this was, like you said, in the middle of a neighborhood off of high, then yeah I could see the height being a problem and would be fine with them pushing back.
January 14, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, amped91 said: 🙄🙄🙄 $25M Short North tower proposal headed back to the drawing board “The developers and architects this week presented the plan to the Italian Village commission. It was a conceptual review, meaning no action was taken, but commissioners offered a mix of feedback on the size and look of the building. Jonathan Barnes, architect for the project, said the team is making adjustments to the building design to respond to the commission’s comments. They plan to come back to the commission next month. During the meeting, Commissioner David Cooke said the section of North High Street in question was not meant to support this level of height and density. "This would be the oddest drop in," Cooke said of the project. Commissioner Paige Schmeling also raised concerns about the height of the building, saying that the project could step down in height closer to High Street or be set back further from High Street. "Ten stories on High Street is a tough sell," she said. Several commissioners said they would like to see part of the former Garden building or facade be preserved. "I want to see a way to not deconstruct that facade and keep the character of that," said Commission Jason Sudy. "I think more could be done to pay homage (to the Garden building."’ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/13/short-north-stonewall-tower-density-height.html Wtf to the bolded quote. What a dumb thing to say. Of course - what is going on? Are we not in an urban area?
January 14, 20232 yr These people are so dumb. Here's a street view in Uptown Chicago, Million$+ mansion next to a double tower 29 story high rise. One adjacent street south is all turn of the century mansions, the north adjacent street is all 3 story walk up apartment/condos...all mixed in with high rises along Dusable Lakeshore Dr. It can all co-exist in an urban enviroment where it makes sense!. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9596078,-87.6467413,3a,90y,265.6h,85.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBYPYiDERp-w84Wlv8vi2Tg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
January 15, 20232 yr According to some chatter on Reddit, the Goody Boy diner is permanently closed. I can’t find anything online to confirm it—Google says it’s temporarily closed, their website is currently down, and their last social media post was about being closed New Year’s Day—and I’ve not been since Corso took it over. Whether the closing is temporary or permanent, I’m curious what others think about the possibility of the site being redeveloped, and if anyone’s opposed to redeveloping?
January 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, amped91 said: According to some chatter on Reddit, the Goody Boy diner is permanently closed. I can’t find anything online to confirm it—Google says it’s temporarily closed, their website is currently down, and their last social media post was about being closed New Year’s Day—and I’ve not been since Corso took it over. Whether the closing is temporary or permanent, I’m curious what others think about the possibility of the site being redeveloped, and if anyone’s opposed to redeveloping? I would love a more old school style diner to actually go in. Something that isn’t trying to hip but something that just makes a good decent cheap breakfast. So basically what it was before corso, but from what I read maybe a little cleaner. I would be bummed if it was torn down and redeveloped. I wouldn’t care if the parking lot on the south side was redeveloped. Could be a cool little small building that would fit the neighborhood look. Edited January 15, 20232 yr by VintageLife
January 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Look I would love a more old school style diner to actually go in. Something that isn’t trying to hip but something that just makes a good decent cheap breakfast. So basically what it was before corso, but from what I read maybe a little cleaner. I would be bummed if it was torn down and redeveloped. I wouldn’t care if the parking lot on the south side was redeveloped. Could be a cool little small building that would fit the neighborhood look. 100000% trying to reinvent the wheel for a rotating group of college and party kids, which is more or less the Corso bread and butter did more harm to Goody Boy than anything. I think Corso struggles with how much demand there is in this city for night clubs and that there isn't really enough population to support as many as they keep trying to open. Especially restaurant/night club concepts. Some sort of partial redevelopment could be really great but I think it would be a net loss for the Short North to redevelop the whole site. Perhaps Go different with an overall mid century build for some variety. Edited January 15, 20232 yr by DTCL11
January 15, 20232 yr 50 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Look I would love a more old school style diner to actually go in. Something that isn’t trying to hip but something that just makes a good decent cheap breakfast. So basically what it was before corso, but from what I read maybe a little cleaner. I would be bummed if it was torn down and redeveloped. I wouldn’t care if the parking lot on the south side was redeveloped. Could be a cool little small building that would fit the neighborhood look. That’s why we went before—good and cheap. Now GV Coffee Shop and Tommy’s do a good job filling that void. Even if they’re packed on the weekends. And that’s what I was gonna suggest, @DTCL11. Some sort of L-shaped building would probably work well there. Preserve the cool-looking diner, get rid of more surface parking, and provide more housing.
January 15, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, amped91 said: That’s why we went before—good and cheap. Now GV Coffee Shop and Tommy’s do a good job filling that void. Even if they’re packed on the weekends. And that’s what I was gonna suggest, @DTCL11. Some sort of L-shaped building would probably work well there. Preserve the cool-looking diner, get rid of more surface parking, and provide more housing. I would also throw in, make it a 24 hour diner
January 17, 20232 yr On 1/15/2023 at 11:43 AM, amped91 said: According to some chatter on Reddit, the Goody Boy diner is permanently closed. I can’t find anything online to confirm it—Google says it’s temporarily closed, their website is currently down, and their last social media post was about being closed New Year’s Day—and I’ve not been since Corso took it over. Whether the closing is temporary or permanent, I’m curious what others think about the possibility of the site being redeveloped, and if anyone’s opposed to redeveloping? Hmm, I guess it’s official: ”Goody Boy Burger Club, the Short North eatery known for its retro decor and classic burgers, has closed its doors. The closure was confirmed by Justin Kintz, Executive Director of One Hospitality, the restaurant group that owned Goody Boy. While the loss of the burger stop is a blow to Columbus foodies, Kintz said One Hospitality—which is also behind other popular concepts like Forno, Urban Meyer’s Pint House and Standard Complex—is planning to replace the Goody Boy space with a concept that has yet to be determined. “We are exploring ideas for a new, fresh concept to keep the Short North neighborhood special,” Kintz said.” https://614now.com/2023/food-drink/after-75-years-this-short-north-restaurant-has-closed I still stand by wanting to see the parking areas redeveloped with the diner staying intact.
January 17, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, amped91 said: Hmm, I guess it’s official: ”Goody Boy Burger Club, the Short North eatery known for its retro decor and classic burgers, has closed its doors. The closure was confirmed by Justin Kintz, Executive Director of One Hospitality, the restaurant group that owned Goody Boy. While the loss of the burger stop is a blow to Columbus foodies, Kintz said One Hospitality—which is also behind other popular concepts like Forno, Urban Meyer’s Pint House and Standard Complex—is planning to replace the Goody Boy space with a concept that has yet to be determined. “We are exploring ideas for a new, fresh concept to keep the Short North neighborhood special,” Kintz said.” https://614now.com/2023/food-drink/after-75-years-this-short-north-restaurant-has-closed I still stand by wanting to see the parking areas redeveloped with the diner staying intact. It will just be another mediocre offering from a group that isn’t great at providing good spots.
January 17, 20232 yr The one thing I always wished about the short north was that it was more than just one strip and rather a neighborhood with things going on in the alleyways, basements, upper floors of buildings, etc. Always just felt kind of one dimensional but I think that is finally changing some.
January 18, 20232 yr On 11/23/2022 at 4:49 PM, amped91 said: I hadn’t even realized the 12 story Hubbard tower had received approval from the neighborhood, but apparently it did, and it will go before City Council early next month for a vote of approval. This is on the upcoming agenda for February, and has apparently grown to 15-stories and 180' tall.
January 18, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: This is on the upcoming agenda for February, and has apparently grown to 15-stories and 180' tall. Love this and it seems the commission is in favor of it. I’m sure it will be a quality building, so hopefully it passes and starts soon.
January 18, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: This is on the upcoming agenda for February, and has apparently grown to 15-stories and 180' tall. But…but High St isn’t able to handle any height! Three stories max! And all sex toy shops must be preserved! All joking aside, this looks awesome!
January 18, 20232 yr 57 minutes ago, amped91 said: But…but High St isn’t able to handle any height! Three stories max! And all sex toy shops must be preserved! All joking aside, this looks awesome! Damn it, I wanted to share that joke!
January 18, 20232 yr Guys, guys. It's ok. It can be 15 stories because it's set back behind one small building. The shadows of doom that it would have cast over High Street will now be held at bay. Edited January 18, 20232 yr by TH3BUDDHA
January 18, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Guys, guys. It's ok. It can be 15 stories because it's set back behind one small building. The shadows of doom that it would have cast over High Street will now be held at bay. Good! I expect to be able to get a sunburn while walking on any portion of High Street.
January 19, 20232 yr https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2023/01/19/developer-proposes-tallest-building-in-the-short-north/69819885007/ Apparently while the number of stories has grown from 12 to 15, the height (180 feet) is the same as before... Quote The proposal, by the long-time Short North developer The Wood Companies, modifies a 12-story building the company originally proposed last year. While the new proposal includes more stories, it's actually the same height — 180 feet — as the original proposal, in part because some floors originally planned for offices, with higher ceilings, are now planned for residential. "We’re thinking all residential on all floors now, given the market trends on office," said Wood Companies President Mark Wood. Wood emphasized that there are no immediate plans to build. "This is probably going to be at least a couple years before we break ground," he said. "That will depend on macro economics and interest rates."
January 19, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, amped91 said: Too bad the projected start date is so far out… Another Parkside on Pearl situation. This could be seven plus years away. That means the Local Bar lot/strip mall is probably 10-15 years out. Disappointing.
January 19, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, aderwent said: Another Parkside on Pearl situation. This could be seven plus years away. That means the Local Bar lot/strip mall is probably 10-15 years out. Disappointing. Is the strip mall property owned by Wood as well?
January 19, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, amped91 said: Is the strip mall property owned by Wood as well? Yep. Unfortunate as far as time, but fortunate as far as quality.
January 19, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, .justin said: Apparently while the number of stories has grown from 12 to 15, the height (180 feet) is the same as before... The floor to floor height of residential is lower than office. They must have shrunk the lobby level as well. Still - a good looking building!
January 19, 20232 yr On 1/17/2023 at 10:47 AM, 614love said: The one thing I always wished about the short north was that it was more than just one strip and rather a neighborhood with things going on in the alleyways, basements, upper floors of buildings, etc. Always just felt kind of one dimensional but I think that is finally changing some. Right? I always wondered what's gonna happen next when the street itself finally gets built out.
January 19, 20232 yr 54 minutes ago, surfohio said: Right? I always wondered what's gonna happen next when the street itself finally gets built out. I think that’s the natural progression of things, especially in a city like Columbus, that has to basically start from scratch to make neighborhoods. The main strip will finish and grow, and once they is built up the surrounding streets will start to get built up. we already see it with 4th st developing and 5th coming off of high. It will continue to progress out, as much as possible.
January 19, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I think that’s the natural progression of things, especially in a city like Columbus, that has to basically start from scratch to make neighborhoods. The main strip will finish and grow, and once they is built up the surrounding streets will start to get built up. we already see it with 4th st developing and 5th coming off of high. It will continue to progress out, as much as possible. I moved here a few years ago, so I could be totally wrong about this (and if I am my bad y’all), but it was my understanding the whole area around the Short North area of High was already primarily residential. So I think it’s more natural for the growth to be limited to one street - just harder to build that into existing neighborhoods. I feel like we’ll have more (and are really already starting to) have multi dimensional growth in the Downtown /Franklinton area because of all the empty parking lots.
January 19, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, smjjms said: I moved here a few years ago, so I could be totally wrong about this (and if I am my bad y’all), but it was my understanding the whole area around the Short North area of High was already primarily residential. So I think it’s more natural for the growth to be limited to one street - just harder to build that into existing neighborhoods. I feel like we’ll have more (and are really already starting to) have multi dimensional growth in the Downtown /Franklinton area because of all the empty parking lots. For sure, it’s very residential and has been. But there are little spots here and there that could support a corner building with retail. That is also why I mentioned 4th st and 5th ave, those areas will have development of retail uses.
January 19, 20232 yr Unfortunately, our very linear development is a byproduct of the historically in tact residential neighborhoods, particularly along the High Street Corridor. Any small retail spaces off side streets that aren't named Broad, 5th, Lane, etc will be scarce. Even once fully developed, it will be hard to fill in unless we start to convert housing. As mentioned, there are small individual retail spots in the neighborhoods but many have long been converted to high end residential so they will likely never return. My guess is that the bulk of the High Street Corridor will not be an area of that growth into the neighborhoods with the exception of a couple spots (Old North has some, German Village, etc) but in Franklinton, we are much more likely to see some of that since much of the housing stock was leveled. This also isn't necessarily uncommon for cities and neighborhoods. But without the central hub of downtown being a well filled in winding center of activity anywhere you turn, it highlights that. I think that developing downtown and Franklinton into more x/y axis retail neighborhoods will help the perception in the long run as well.
January 20, 20232 yr I would hate to see historic homes replaced by 5 over 1s. There are a few opportunity areas left in the SN to infill away from High. It's definitely happening along the W 5th corridor. Several blocks between 5th and 3rd are densifying. Broadview is a good example as well as the stuff behind the View on 5th. Same in South Campus along 9th and 8th. I could see W Norwich developing like this too. I agree that Downtown and Franklinton offer the best opportunity for full blocks of dense housing. There are nodes that are getting there. I really like what's going on around Topiary Park and the library. There are still tons of parking lots to get rid of!
January 20, 20232 yr 54 minutes ago, Pablo said: I would hate to see historic homes replaced by 5 over 1s. There are a few opportunity areas left in the SN to infill away from High. It's definitely happening along the W 5th corridor. Several blocks between 5th and 3rd are densifying. Broadview is a good example as well as the stuff behind the View on 5th. Same in South Campus along 9th and 8th. I could see W Norwich developing like this too. I agree that Downtown and Franklinton offer the best opportunity for full blocks of dense housing. There are nodes that are getting there. I really like what's going on around Topiary Park and the library. There are still tons of parking lots to get rid of! Tucked back into the nooks and crannies of HW and surrounding neighborhoods, there’s a number of properties that are parking lots and 20th century office buildings and warehouses that could be redeveloped for better land use (like we’re starting to see on Michigan Ave). But yeah, to have it all connected straight to the SN, you’d have to demo a lot of historic homes, which I wouldn’t support. If these redevs feature any retail, I feel like it would need to be more destination type, rather than being something that can rely on walk-by business.
January 24, 20232 yr The Punch List: How this 2011 document impacts Short North development The Short North has been dramatically transformed over the past few decades, thanks in part to efforts from the city and the Columbus development community. ... Short North tower concerns For proof that the guidelines remain relevant, take a look at the discussion the Italian Village Commission had when considering the Garden Park project, which would replace the former Garden adult store located at 1176 N. High St. The project would also be built on a portion of the neighboring parking lot, which belongs to Stonewall Columbus. ... During the commission's recent review of the Garden Park proposal, Italian Village Commissioner David Cooke said the section of North High Street in question was not meant to support this level of height and density, according to the guidelines. The discussion around the Garden Park project centered on height, density and how the building looked from the street or was experienced from the street. "This would be the oddest drop in," Cooke said during the January meeting. The document also states that height as viewed from the street should be compatible with neighboring buildings. In an interview with Columbus Business First, Sudy emphasized the importance of a proposal fitting in with its surroundings. He also said the commission prioritizes the historic character of a block. Other building components such as signage are regulated more strictly than height in the guidelines. The guidelines state that buildings over six stories will be considered on a case-by-case basis, but don't explicitly state a maximum height for buildings in the neighborhood. In our interview, Sudy said any major project is evaluated individually. Taller buildings are more likely to be approved with setbacks or step backs as the structure gets taller. Corner sites are better suited for more dense, tall buildings, the guidelines say. "Physical size and scale shall be compatible to existing contributing properties without overwhelming them," the document states. WAY more below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/23/the-punch-list.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 24, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, ColDayMan said: The Punch List: How this 2011 document impacts Short North development The Short North has been dramatically transformed over the past few decades, thanks in part to efforts from the city and the Columbus development community. ... Short North tower concerns For proof that the guidelines remain relevant, take a look at the discussion the Italian Village Commission had when considering the Garden Park project, which would replace the former Garden adult store located at 1176 N. High St. The project would also be built on a portion of the neighboring parking lot, which belongs to Stonewall Columbus. ... During the commission's recent review of the Garden Park proposal, Italian Village Commissioner David Cooke said the section of North High Street in question was not meant to support this level of height and density, according to the guidelines. The discussion around the Garden Park project centered on height, density and how the building looked from the street or was experienced from the street. "This would be the oddest drop in," Cooke said during the January meeting. The document also states that height as viewed from the street should be compatible with neighboring buildings. In an interview with Columbus Business First, Sudy emphasized the importance of a proposal fitting in with its surroundings. He also said the commission prioritizes the historic character of a block. Other building components such as signage are regulated more strictly than height in the guidelines. The guidelines state that buildings over six stories will be considered on a case-by-case basis, but don't explicitly state a maximum height for buildings in the neighborhood. In our interview, Sudy said any major project is evaluated individually. Taller buildings are more likely to be approved with setbacks or step backs as the structure gets taller. Corner sites are better suited for more dense, tall buildings, the guidelines say. "Physical size and scale shall be compatible to existing contributing properties without overwhelming them," the document states. WAY more below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/23/the-punch-list.html But still no mention of the 9 story just a few buildings away. The commissioners are idiots.
January 24, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, ColDayMan said: The Punch List: How this 2011 document impacts Short North development The Short North has been dramatically transformed over the past few decades, thanks in part to efforts from the city and the Columbus development community. ... Short North tower concerns For proof that the guidelines remain relevant, take a look at the discussion the Italian Village Commission had when considering the Garden Park project, which would replace the former Garden adult store located at 1176 N. High St. The project would also be built on a portion of the neighboring parking lot, which belongs to Stonewall Columbus. ... During the commission's recent review of the Garden Park proposal, Italian Village Commissioner David Cooke said the section of North High Street in question was not meant to support this level of height and density, according to the guidelines. The discussion around the Garden Park project centered on height, density and how the building looked from the street or was experienced from the street. "This would be the oddest drop in," Cooke said during the January meeting. The document also states that height as viewed from the street should be compatible with neighboring buildings. In an interview with Columbus Business First, Sudy emphasized the importance of a proposal fitting in with its surroundings. He also said the commission prioritizes the historic character of a block. Other building components such as signage are regulated more strictly than height in the guidelines. The guidelines state that buildings over six stories will be considered on a case-by-case basis, but don't explicitly state a maximum height for buildings in the neighborhood. In our interview, Sudy said any major project is evaluated individually. Taller buildings are more likely to be approved with setbacks or step backs as the structure gets taller. Corner sites are better suited for more dense, tall buildings, the guidelines say. "Physical size and scale shall be compatible to existing contributing properties without overwhelming them," the document states. WAY more below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/23/the-punch-list.html Quote Across the street are the two-story BrewDog and three-story Short North Stage buildings. Going up the street, closer to Ohio State, most of the buildings are two and three stories. Closer to downtown, buildings rise higher; for example the Moxy hotel building at 800 N. High is 10 stories, the Jackson on High at 1137 N. High St. is eight stories and 711 N. High St. is nine stories. Lol 1137 is half a block closer to downtown than 1176. The author failed to list them in order for some reason. They're also missing the eleven story Graduate and nine story Le Meridien. Besides Graduate (Bollinger) what was the entirety of the Short North 15 years ago? Two to three story buildings! "Up the street, closer to Ohio State" is soon to be almost entirely 6+ story buildings. What is this guy smoking? Also, stop "measuring" in stories if you're so worried about height. Give us feet!
January 25, 20232 yr Do they really thing long term the buildings will stay small? It's going to get big eventually - it has to
January 31, 20232 yr Smart move on the part of the developers to include some site context on their next IV presentation package showing the height throughout the SN. They also now plan to incorporate the Garden facade. At this point, it needs to be approved.
January 31, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, amped91 said: Smart move on the part of the developers to include some site context on their next IV presentation package showing the height throughout the SN. They also now plan to incorporate the Garden facade. At this point, it needs to be approved. That looks great, and I love that they didn’t shorten it. Hopefully it has a little less push back. I sent them a message on the instagram page for the development and said they needed to point out the surrounding height, maybe they saw it haha. Edited January 31, 20232 yr by VintageLife
January 31, 20232 yr They could have also done contextually from the North with King and High. I'll detract and say I like this version less. Glad they added the facade to appease rhe commission. I love how the rendering shows the dirty damaged faced to 'truly preserve'. The angles in the original version were much better. The updated seem too boxy and punched out. Almost shipping container-esque.
January 31, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: They could have also done contextually from the North with King and High. I'll detract and say I like this version less. Glad they added the facade to appease rhe commission. I love how the rendering shows the dirty damaged faced to 'truly preserve'. The angles in the original version were much better. The updated seem too boxy and punched out. Almost shipping container-esque. I hate to be a downer, but I agree with you. I liked the first iteration better. Go back to that and just give them the damn lower facade. Sometimes these commissions are just a pain in the ass. They took the personality out of it IMO-but I guess we will take what we can get-which is so "Columbus" in a way smh. I Don't want this lobotomized version. I want the commissioners to get lobotomies instead. Edited January 31, 20232 yr by Toddguy
January 31, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, Toddguy said: I hate to be a downer, but I agree with you. I liked the first iteration better. Go back to that and just give them the damn lower facade. Sometimes these commissions are just a pain in the ass. They took the personality out of it IMO-but I guess we will take what we can get-which is so "Columbus" in a way smh. I Don't want this lobotomized version. I want the commissioners to get lobotomies instead. I agree, the commission was crying about the look of the other one, saying it didn’t fit. So I would guess they changed the look so they can still do 10 stories.
February 15, 20232 yr Sigh….. Proposed Short North Garden Park apartments sent back to the drawing board – again “Jonathan Barnes, principal at JBAD, is the architect for the project. He said the design team made changes to the project based on feedback they heard at the January meeting. The team is now planning to retool the project and come back to the commission in March, said David Hunegnaw, a partner with Black Gold Capital. On Tuesday, some commissioners wanted more of the building saved or more of the facade unchanged with the project. Commissioners also asked the design team to further explore how the green wall and the Garden facade could play together. Some commissioners were in favor of the changes made, but others were still concerned with elements of the project. Those include its height, which some commissioners said would stand out too much from the buildings around it. City staff also said that the project as currently proposed doesn't meet the Short North design guidelines, which state that the rhythm and size of a new buildings shouldn't overpower the surrounding buildings. The building needs to be 10 stories, Barnes argued, because the capacity of a building that height gives the project room to make regular donations to Stonewall and to preserve some of the housing for seniors.” This is interesting, if true, though. I wonder who these other nonprofits might be? “Hunegnaw said the project could be a model to be recreated, if approved. Other nonprofits have reached out to Black Gold to see how they could partner on similar projects.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/02/15/garden-park-apartments.html
February 15, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, amped91 said: Sigh….. Proposed Short North Garden Park apartments sent back to the drawing board – again “Jonathan Barnes, principal at JBAD, is the architect for the project. He said the design team made changes to the project based on feedback they heard at the January meeting. The team is now planning to retool the project and come back to the commission in March, said David Hunegnaw, a partner with Black Gold Capital. On Tuesday, some commissioners wanted more of the building saved or more of the facade unchanged with the project. Commissioners also asked the design team to further explore how the green wall and the Garden facade could play together. Some commissioners were in favor of the changes made, but others were still concerned with elements of the project. Those include its height, which some commissioners said would stand out too much from the buildings around it. City staff also said that the project as currently proposed doesn't meet the Short North design guidelines, which state that the rhythm and size of a new buildings shouldn't overpower the surrounding buildings. The building needs to be 10 stories, Barnes argued, because the capacity of a building that height gives the project room to make regular donations to Stonewall and to preserve some of the housing for seniors.” This is interesting, if true, though. I wonder who these other nonprofits might be? “Hunegnaw said the project could be a model to be recreated, if approved. Other nonprofits have reached out to Black Gold to see how they could partner on similar projects.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/02/15/garden-park-apartments.html Hopefully they keep coming back with 10 stories and basically ignore that aspect of the commission. Not really sure how they can save more of garden facade. The rendering looks like they saved all of it. Hopefully one of the other groups that reached out is Equitas health, so they can actually build something other than a crappy pharmacy. Would be great if it is the new company that bought the old telhio building downtown. Edited February 15, 20232 yr by VintageLife
February 15, 20232 yr Love the objectivity of 'shouldn't overpower the buildings surrounding it' /s And this unfortunately won't be one the developers can take to the city since it appears that the city is already pointing out they are outside the Short North Plan. You'd think that something for so much good could get variances... like the Bollinger that stood out for all those years. Edited February 15, 20232 yr by DTCL11
February 15, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: Love the objectivity of 'shouldn't overpower the buildings surrounding it' /s And this unfortunately won't be one the developers can take to the city since it appears that the city is already pointing out they are outside the Short North Plan. You'd think that something for so much good could get variances... like the Bollinger that stood out for all those years. Luckily it sounds like not all the commission members care about the height. If they present a better plan with saving the current building, again not sure how much more they could do, it might get pushed through at 10 stories. On the other hand, it could just become dead in the water and in another 7 years something else will get proposed and it will get denied.
February 15, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Luckily it sounds like not all the commission members care about the height. If they present a better plan with saving the current building, again not sure how much more they could do, it might get pushed through at 10 stories. On the other hand, it could just become dead in the water and in another 7 years something else will get proposed and it will get denied. That’s what I’m worried about. The developer seems pretty gung-ho about it though, so hopefully it gets built this decade lol
February 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Would be great if it is the new company that bought the old telhio building downtown. That’s what I’m hoping for
February 15, 20232 yr Pre-face: it should be approved as is with some aethetic changes perhaps but that's it. But throwing spaghetti at a wall here: I know Stonewall is new, but I wonder if there's capability to build above it to step down toward the corner with limited impact? Then maybe amenities and commercial space is technically added to the Stonewall facility (which also makes sense for community access) then that knock a little off the top of the 10 stories? It is far fetched and would suck to impact Stonewall's operations again but might be an out of the box solution. I also wonder if there's opportunity to purchase or work with surrounding owners to expand the footprint to the north. It wouldn't stand out if Out of the Closet had been pushed to be part of a 4-5 story development and the City had given up its lot already... but thats ifs and buts at this point I suppose.
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