That building has some of the highest quality glass and brick in the short north built with long lasting steel reinforced concrete construction. This will stand the test of time and does a good job reinforcing the brick street wall while adding a glass element that makes the building current. It's one of the best buildings going up in Columbus right now. 

 

It's definitely not ugly Vancouver soullessness. In Vancouver it would have been 30 floors taller. 

44 minutes ago, cityscapes said:

That building has some of the highest quality glass and brick in the short north built with long lasting steel reinforced concrete construction. This will stand the test of time and does a good job reinforcing the brick street wall while adding a glass element that makes the building current. It's one of the best buildings going up in Columbus right now. 

 

It's definitely not ugly Vancouver soullessness. In Vancouver it would have been 30 floors taller. 

 

The quality of the materials isn't in question, it's the aesthetics. It's ugly. And as time goes on, most will realize it unless they're stubborn. The rest will be the sordid who simply have bad taste.

 

In downtown Vancouver, maybe. Much of the rest of the city is limited to mid-rise.

 

 

Edited January 3, 20196 yr by MikeInCanton

22 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Nope. 

'fraid so.

15 hours ago, Pablo said:

I kind of like the juxtaposition of old and new. Everyone has different tastes - I think the SN has a nice mix.

 

 

If you actually think that looks good, I hope you are no where near development, construction, or architecture.

13 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Really? It is one thing to not like the building, but "...we'll be tearing down in 25 years..." is just a bit over the top-like the whole post really.

 

 

 

What is over the top about it? My comparison to brutalism? Not singing the praising of Modernism? If it's not apparent by now, I'll just state it flat-out: I think Modernist architecture is the absolute worst. I prefer striving for beauty above "newness" and what's strictly economical. "Newness" and "efficient" have given us the worst architecture in the history of mankind the last 70-odd years.

 

I am giving my honest assessment of the building. I think it is ugly and boring and lazy. I'm sorry if that is upsetting for a few people here.

11 hours ago, Imwalle said:

 

Well that's just like, your opinion man.

 

Yes, it is. And I'm taking it to the grave!

7 hours ago, MikeInCanton said:

 

What is over the top about it? My comparison to brutalism? Not singing the praising of Modernism? If it's not apparent by now, I'll just state it flat-out: I think Modernist architecture is the absolute worst. I prefer striving for beauty above "newness" and what's strictly economical. "Newness" and "efficient" have given us the worst architecture in the history of mankind the last 70-odd years.

 

I am giving my honest assessment of the building. I think it is ugly and boring and lazy. I'm sorry if that is upsetting for a few people here.

 

I'd say the notion of tearing it down in 25 years is probably over the top, however not liking is it fair. Considering how expensive construction is, the longevity of hotels, and the astronomical costs involved with urban structure removal, it's gonna be around a while man. Hell, even the brutalist structures your referencing have been around since the 60s and 70s. 

 

I personally love how its turning out and what it is adding to the street-wall with its angles and textures, but I also am pleased with 80 on the Commons which everyone seems to hate. Architecture is subjective. If you want a traditional "beauty", you should take a look at the Brunner and Hubbard Park Place, now those are some impressive new builds. ..Damn wood companies knows what they're doing.

8 hours ago, MikeInCanton said:

 

What is over the top about it? My comparison to brutalism? Not singing the praising of Modernism? If it's not apparent by now, I'll just state it flat-out: I think Modernist architecture is the absolute worst. I prefer striving for beauty above "newness" and what's strictly economical. "Newness" and "efficient" have given us the worst architecture in the history of mankind the last 70-odd years.

 

I am giving my honest assessment of the building. I think it is ugly and boring and lazy. I'm sorry if that is upsetting for a few people here.

Well let's see...

 

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The all glass look is just more modernist ugliness that we'll be tearing down in 25 years wondering why anyone ever thought it looked good. It's 21stcentury brutalism. Adding a bricked up lower level in a lazy attempt to blend the buildings in doesn't change that. It looks like a building designed by Soldier Field. Ugly.

 

-We won't be tearing this down in 25 years.

-This is not any kind of brutalism-there are no large areas of bare concrete.  Béton brut and all. 

-I don't think the attempt to blend the brick and glass parts is lazy at all, the materials are good, the design is good (to me), so "lazy" does not cut it for me.

-It does not look anything like the awful Soldier Field debacle. I would never even have thought of that association.

 

There are four sentences, and every one is suspect.

 

So yes over-the-top at best, deluded at worst. Again this is my opinion, just like your post is your opinion as questionable as it is (brutalism, really?)

 

 

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 I hope you are no where near development, construction, or architecture.

 

And right back at ya with this one (yes I know it was not directed at me). Again, you call this building an example of Brutalism? *shakes head*

Edited January 3, 20196 yr by Toddguy
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8 hours ago, MikeInCanton said:

 

If you actually think that looks good, I hope you are no where near development, construction, or architecture.

I think it's a nice project. I especially like the curve of the upper portion of the building. It's really visible as you approach from the south.

1 hour ago, Pablo said:

I think it's a nice project. I especially like the curve of the upper portion of the building. It's really visible as you approach from the south.

 

What does the curve bring? Why does it belong in the Short North? 

 

The Short North doesn't need visibility. Egoism. Pure egoism.

2 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Well let's see...

 

 

-We won't be tearing this down in 25 years.

-This is not any kind of brutalism-there are no large areas of bare concrete.  Béton brut and all. 

-I don't think the attempt to blend the brick and glass parts is lazy at all, the materials are good, the design is good (to me), so "lazy" does not cut it for me.

-It does not look anything like the awful Soldier Field debacle. I would never even have thought of that association.

 

There are four sentences, and every one is suspect.

 

So yes over-the-top at best, deluded at worst. Again this is my opinion, just like your post is your opinion as questionable as it is (brutalism, really?)

 

 

 

And right back at ya with this one (yes I know it was not directed at me). Again, you call this building an example of Brutalism? *shakes head*

 

1. Hyperbole.

2. I didn't say it was brutalism. I said all-glass is 21st century brutalism, as in all the warmth and charm of concrete on concrete. 

3. It's lazy because it's just brick with no attempts to blend in with the surrounding buildings' styles.

4. It looks exactly like Soldier Field especially in the context of the neighborhood; it looks like a small space ship has decided to land on top of a brick building.

 

I did not call it brutalism. Go back and read again.

13 minutes ago, MikeInCanton said:

 

1. Hyperbole.

2. I didn't say it was brutalism. I said all-glass is 21st century brutalism, as in all the warmth and charm of concrete on concrete. 

3. It's lazy because it's just brick with no attempts to blend in with the surrounding buildings' styles.

4. It looks exactly like Soldier Field especially in the context of the neighborhood; it looks like a small space ship has decided to land on top of a brick building.

 

I did not call it brutalism. Go back and read again.

1.Hyperbole-also known as being over-the-top...as I said.

 

Hyperbole:

exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

synonyms:exaggeration, overstatement, magnification, embroidery, embellishment, excess, overkill, rhetoric; 

 

2.You said it was 21st century BRUTALISM! As an architectural style, there is brutalism and then there is not. You used the word. geez.

 

3.It uses brick in order to blend in with...the rest of the brick! More bull.

 

4. Complete and utter nonsense. 

 

But hey, keep trying.  I am leaning now less towards over-the-top, and more towards just plain deluded or willfully ignorant.

Edited January 3, 20196 yr by Toddguy

2 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

 

I'd say the notion of tearing it down in 25 years is probably over the top, however not liking is it fair. Considering how expensive construction is, the longevity of hotels, and the astronomical costs involved with urban structure removal, it's gonna be around a while man. Hell, even the brutalist structures your referencing have been around since the 60s and 70s. 

 

I personally love how its turning out and what it is adding to the street-wall with its angles and textures, but I also am pleased with 80 on the Commons which everyone seems to hate. Architecture is subjective. If you want a traditional "beauty", you should take a look at the Brunner and Hubbard Park Place, now those are some impressive new builds. ..Damn wood companies knows what they're doing.

 

I'm sure it will be there for awhile. The 25 years comment was not meant to present a definitive lifespan. However, it reminds me of Bliss Tower in Canton, and I'm sure will age just as well.

 

Beauty is not subjective, and arguing (pretending) it is has played a great part in landing us where we are aesthetically. The ability to see beauty or be captivated by it may vary but humans more or less find the same things beautiful. Classical and traditional architecture is usually beautiful and often people in communities actively try to save those buildings and repurpose them. The same can rarely be said for Modernist buildings.  People don't like them and the only ones who seem to appreciate them are architects. So the stereotype of Modernist architecture being out of touch architecture for architects by architects seems to be generally a truth.

 

Hubbard Park is particle board cheapness. Getting the aesthetics more right is only half the battle.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

1.Hyperbole-also known as being over-the-top...as I said.

 

Hyperbole:

exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

synonyms:exaggeration, overstatement, magnification, embroidery, embellishment, excess, overkill, rhetoric; 

 

2.You said it was 21st century BRUTALISM! As an architectural style, there is brutalism and then there is not. You used the word. geez.

 

3.It uses brick in order to blend in with...the rest of the brick! More bull.

 

4. Complete and utter nonsense. 

 

But hey, keep trying.  I am leaning now less towards over-the-top, and more towards just plain deluded or willfully ignorant.

 

1. Hyperbole is an exaggeration made to prove a point. It is not in it of itself "over the top". 

2. Now you're just being dense. 

3. So you think all that it takes to blend is slapping brick on something? Says a lot, really.

4. Complete truth.

 

Judging by your willingness to deliberately misrepresent my statements, I'm going to have to say you're sufficiently upset that someone doesn't like this building.

Beautiful project.

1 hour ago, MikeInCanton said:

Beauty is not subjective

 

Except, it literally is. I truly can look at a contemporary blue glass and steel structure and be absolutely enamored by it the same way I can look at a gothic church or the tribune tower. Hearst Tower in NYC, absolute perfection in my eyes. Modernist tower, touch of historic in the form of preservation, true juxtaposition. 

 

People actively try to save brutalist buildings, postmodernism, gothic, art-deco, etc... because they all have beauty in someones eyes. Your opinion is merely an option, it's valid but that doesn't make it correct for all. 

Yeah, it's OK not to like the architecture. I, however, do like this building. There was a little sunshine at lunch so I took a walk to appreciate the building.

 

 

 

 

^ This building is looking great, contrary to what some dude from Canton may argue.  Also, I love the perspective from that last picture. 

1 hour ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Except, it literally is. I truly can look at a contemporary blue glass and steel structure and be absolutely enamored by it the same way I can look at a gothic church or the tribune tower. Hearst Tower in NYC, absolute perfection in my eyes. Modernist tower, touch of historic in the form of preservation, true juxtaposition. 

 

People actively try to save brutalist buildings, postmodernism, gothic, art-deco, etc... because they all have beauty in someones eyes. Your opinion is merely an option, it's valid but that doesn't make it correct for all. 

 

Except it literally is not. Beauty is a universal. As is ugliness. Every school of architecture can produce a beautiful building, but Modernism does it the least and does not match the beauty of others.

 

No one looks at a Modernist building with the same awe as a Gothic Church or a Classical amphitheater unless they're insane.

 

Hearst is boring. Putting polygonal shapes on a building is what happens when we design buildings with math equations. Architecture has been an art as much as science. Modernism seeks to remove the artistic resulting in these sorts of cold, calculated, sterile, secular boxes that occasionally try to be unique by putting on a red hat.

43 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Yeah, it's OK not to like the architecture. I, however, do like this building. There was a little sunshine at lunch so I took a walk to appreciate the building.

 

 

 

 

 

This is literally nothing good about this building. From these angles it's clearly a hodgepodge of styles. It's a slightly bricked version the angular messes invading suburbs across the country. 

32 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

^ This building is looking great, contrary to what some dude from Canton may argue.  Also, I love the perspective from that last picture. 

 

What looks great about it? And what does my hometown have to do with anything?

Okay, let's move on folks. 

 

This discussion is going nowhere and getting to the point of needing to shut down the thread.

1 minute ago, MikeInCanton said:

 

What looks great about it?

 

The way it looks. 

 

2 minutes ago, MikeInCanton said:

 

And what does my hometown have to do with anything?

 

It's a joke pal. 

On a thread related note, the pictures look amazing and this really helps fill in the street wall on the IV side.

 

Now if only we could get the Greystone across the street to sell off or develop it's surface lot and Wood Companies to redevelop the strip center next to Northstar. 

I'm growing antsy over those two spots. 

As Ink stated above, no more discussion about if you like the Moxy or not.  Thanks.

Man, I thought I was on r/Columbus for a minute or even the CU page.

48 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

The way it looks. 

 

 

It's a joke pal. 

 

What about the way it looks?

 

That was a not "joke", it was a clear passive aggressive dig.

1 hour ago, DevolsDance said:

On a thread related note, the pictures look amazing and this really helps fill in the street wall on the IV side.

 

Now if only we could get the Greystone across the street to sell off or develop it's surface lot and Wood Companies to redevelop the strip center next to Northstar. 

I'm growing antsy over those two spots. 

I would really like that strip center to be developed more than anything. That thing has been an eyesore forever.

1 minute ago, Toddguy said:

1 hour ago, DevolsDance said:

On a thread related note, the pictures look amazing and this really helps fill in the street wall on the IV side.

 

Now if only we could get the Greystone across the street to sell off or develop it's surface lot and Wood Companies to redevelop the strip center next to Northstar. 

I'm growing antsy over those two spots. 

I would really like that strip center to be developed more than anything. That thing has been an eyesore forever.

I'm not sure you'll ever see the Greystone lot be redeveloped, at least not in the near future.  However there was talk, probably 6 years ago now of the strip mall being matched to the other Wood Cos building.

33 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

I'm not sure you'll ever see the Greystone lot be redeveloped, at least not in the near future.  However there was talk, probably 6 years ago now of the strip mall being matched to the other Wood Cos building.

I have been told by pretty reliable sources, that there are already pretty concrete plans by Wood's companies to redevelop that strip mall, the reality is they are just really busy with other projects at the moment, so I think it is just "waiting in line" on their current project list before getting started.  I'm sure we will see something at some point, but it could still be a moment or two.  They tend to move quite slow with their construction, however with end product and quality is worth it in my opinion.

Just now, Gnoraa said:

I have been told by pretty reliable sources, that there are already pretty concrete plans by Wood's companies to redevelop that strip mall, the reality is they are just really busy with other projects at the moment, so I think it is just "waiting in line" on their current project list before getting started.  I'm sure we will see something at some point, but it could still be a moment or two.  They tend to move quite slow with their construction, however with end product and quality is worth it in my opinion.

 

While that strip mall is quite the eye sore and I really want to see it redeveloped, at least it is occupied and provides some practical value for the area. I'm more concerned about seeing the CashSmart and former Family Dollar buildings redeveloped ASAP. 

3 minutes ago, Gnoraa said:

I have been told by pretty reliable sources, that there are already pretty concrete plans by Wood's companies to redevelop that strip mall, the reality is they are just really busy with other projects at the moment, so I think it is just "waiting in line" on their current project list before getting started.  I'm sure we will see something at some point, but it could still be a moment or two.  They tend to move quite slow with their construction, however with end product and quality is worth it in my opinion.

 

Their end product is truly impressive. I am consistently blown away by what they bring to the market compared to what I have seen not only in Columbus, but in other markets I've lived in. A lot of cities would cut off their left arm to have a developer like Wood Cos. One of the main reasons I'm so excited about North Market Tower.

4 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

While that strip mall is quite the eye sore and I really want to see it redeveloped, at least it is occupied and provides some practical value for the area. I'm more concerned about seeing the CashSmart and former Family Dollar buildings redeveloped ASAP. 

I don't mind the design for the proposed Family Dollar site, or what's adjacent to it, the renderings look like a slightly nicer more spruced up Hub with better finishes.  Regarding the CashSmart site, I've always been told that might be one of the last lots to go only because supposedly the site will be costly to prepare due to left over underground gas tanks??  I could be wrong on this, but if it's true, I can see why developers have been hesitant to develop quite yet when there was so many other open lots previously, which now have increasingly become filled in over the last 5-9 years.

1 minute ago, Gnoraa said:

I don't mind the design for the proposed Family Dollar site, or what's adjacent to it, the renderings look like a slightly nicer more spruced up Hub with better finishes.  Regarding the CashSmart site, I've always been told that might be one of the last lots to go only because supposedly the site will be costly to prepare due to left over underground gas tanks??  I could be wrong on this, but if it's true, I can see why developers have been hesitant to develop quite yet when there was so many other open lots previously, which now have increasingly become filled in over the last 5-9 years.

 

There are plans for the Family Dollar site? Somehow I missed that....

3 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

There are plans for the Family Dollar site? Somehow I missed that....

I apologize, I should have emphasized the "adjacent" aspect of this.  It is not the Family Dollar site, rather the lot right next to it at 3rd and High.  And again, it has not fully been approved to move forward, I think Corso has been busy with other projects too, but I also don't think it's completely dead.https://www.columbusunderground.com/more-details-unveiled-for-new-five-story-short-north-building-we1

 

9 minutes ago, Gnoraa said:

I apologize, I should have emphasized the "adjacent" aspect of this.  It is not the Family Dollar site, rather the lot right next to it at 3rd and High.  And again, it has not fully been approved to move forward, I think Corso has been busy with other projects too, but I also don't think it's completely dead.https://www.columbusunderground.com/more-details-unveiled-for-new-five-story-short-north-building-we1

 

Oh I gotcha. Yea I saw that plan and I really like it. Hopefully it can get done. 

5 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

On a thread related note, the pictures look amazing and this really helps fill in the street wall on the IV side.

 

Now if only we could get the Greystone across the street to sell off or develop it's surface lot and Wood Companies to redevelop the strip center next to Northstar. 

I'm growing antsy over those two spots. 

I'm with you on the little strip mall, but I like the Greystone building, it's a neat ivy covered contrast to some of the newer structures going up on that corner.

Greystone Court is a great building. Not sure why anyone would want that torn down!

^He is talking about developing the Greystone building’s parking lot, not tearing down the Greystone building. 

On 1/3/2019 at 4:15 PM, Gnoraa said:

I apologize, I should have emphasized the "adjacent" aspect of this.  It is not the Family Dollar site, rather the lot right next to it at 3rd and High.  And again, it has not fully been approved to move forward, I think Corso has been busy with other projects too, but I also don't think it's completely dead.https://www.columbusunderground.com/more-details-unveiled-for-new-five-story-short-north-building-we1

 

 

This is the Yoga on High lot, correct? They recently relocated because I thought this project was happening.

 

I also like this proposal. Hope it happens.

New Short North Parking Rules Now in Effect

 

Today marks the first day of implementation for the long-awaited and long-debated Short North Parking Plan. The bags have been removed from new parking signs throughout the neighborhood and tickets will be issued — although no fines will be associated with those tickets for at least two weeks, according to the city.

 

The warning tickets are meant to educate residents and visitors who may not have heard about the many changes being rolled out in the area, which stretches north to south from East Ninth Avenue to I-670 and east to west from North Sixth Street to Neil Avenue.

 

The biggest change is that the free parking that was previously available on non-permit residential streets is now gone. All residents in the district are required to get permits to park on the street, and visitors will need to pay to park via the new ParkColumbus app.

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/new-short-north-parking-rules-now-in-effect-bw1

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/short-north-parking-regulations-go-into-effect/1717239425

 

So, everyone hates the new Short North parking regulations.  Does this mean the new regs are great because "everyone" is unhappy?  Or is the Short North just Urban Clintonville?

 

 

I live in the Short North. I have the world's smallest violin for the people complaining about the new parking requirements. Maybe that makes me a douche, but....I think it's much better. 

 

As for workers, they should be taking the bus or paying for a pass. Lines 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 all go through this area. I make it work and so can everyone else who lives near a bus line.....plus it's never as bad as it seems. As far as late night bartenders, there's the Night Owl that just expanded its hours, but those are the people that should be buying a pass.

 

Again, I know I'm probably being cruel, but 99% of these cars driving through are all just looking for parking, so anything ANYTHING to get the number of cars down in the area and increase COTA ridership is good in my book.

 

Also, that guy in the news story who will take the 40-minute walk.......he clearly lives next to one of those bus lines if he lives that close to the SN by foot. He is a prime example of someone who should be taking the bus.....unless he wants to make that 40 minute walk. Also.....bikes! Always free parking.

 

This whole news story is just such.......a fantastic example of a car society complaining that their society isn't perfect for them. Drivers have it so easy.

 

Edited January 23, 20196 yr by Zyrokai

35 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

I live in the Short North. I have the world's smallest violin for the people complaining about the new parking requirements. Maybe that makes me a douche, but....I think it's much better. 

 

As for workers, they should be taking the bus or paying for a pass. Lines 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 all go through this area. I make it work and so can everyone else who lives near a bus line.....plus it's never as bad as it seems. As far as late night bartenders, there's the Night Owl that just expanded its hours, but those are the people that should be buying a pass.

 

Again, I know I'm probably being cruel, but 99% of these cars driving through are all just looking for parking, so anything ANYTHING to get the number of cars down in the area and increase COTA ridership is good in my book.

 

Also, that guy in the news story who will take the 40-minute walk.......he clearly lives next to one of those bus lines if he lives that close to the SN by foot. He is a prime example of someone who should be taking the bus.....unless he wants to make that 40 minute walk. Also.....bikes! Always free parking.

 

This whole news story is just such.......a fantastic example of a car society complaining that their society isn't perfect for them. Drivers have it so easy.

 

 

Not everyone working in the Short North is going to live close to a bus line and in a "urban" part of the city. Think about what most of the jobs in the Short North are. Most are retail workers, servers, cooks, bartenders, etc. that don't pay the highest of wages. As a result, many of the people won't be able to easily afford living in the Short North, Clintonville, Grandview, UA, Downtown, etc. I know it's easy to just tell people in Columbus to ride the bus, but for most of the city it's just not practical. 

The news report said residents need to pay $25 for a pass - they didn't mention that it's $25/year. If you use the app it's $1.00/hr? Seems cheap to me.

 

 

10 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Not everyone working in the Short North is going to live close to a bus line and in a "urban" part of the city. Think about what most of the jobs in the Short North are. Most are retail workers, servers, cooks, bartenders, etc. that don't pay the highest of wages. As a result, many of the people won't be able to easily afford living in the Short North, Clintonville, Grandview, UA, Downtown, etc. I know it's easy to just tell people in Columbus to ride the bus, but for most of the city it's just not practical. 

 

Well, I do realize that. I probably wasn't clear with that part in my post, but those people fall under the category that they should buy a pass. 

 

Maybe I'm mistaken, but they can do that right? A guest pass? Or to get a guest pass do you actually have to know someone who lives there? If that's the case, then that's a serious problem because then you HAVE to use the garages as a worker......which can get really expensive.

 

So if I'm misunderstanding, I apologize. But if the guest pass is $25 a year and workers can get one, too, I don't think it'll be that big of an issue.

 

6 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Not everyone working in the Short North is going to live close to a bus line and in a "urban" part of the city. Think about what most of the jobs in the Short North are. Most are retail workers, servers, cooks, bartenders, etc. that don't pay the highest of wages. As a result, many of the people won't be able to easily afford living in the Short North, Clintonville, Grandview, UA, Downtown, etc. I know it's easy to just tell people in Columbus to ride the bus, but for most of the city it's just not practical. 

 

Then those people need to be writing the city every day about transit, or specifically, the lack of transit options in the city.  But they don't because most people believe they should be able to park 10 feet from their destination every time or otherwise there must be a parking shortage. 

I'm not a huge fan of this plan. But I recently moved out of this area and now I'm lazy so I just park in one of the garages most of the time. But it was nice to be able to just grab a spot on one of the side streets now and then and not have to worry about it. Now you have to move your car every 3 hours and pay via the app which seems like a downgrade. 

 

Also, I know this is an unpopular opinion but the bus sucks. That's why people who don't have to take it generally don't. You also still have to pay with exact change, right? That alone makes it awful. 

9 hours ago, 17thState said:

I'm not a huge fan of this plan. But I recently moved out of this area and now I'm lazy so I just park in one of the garages most of the time. But it was nice to be able to just grab a spot on one of the side streets now and then and not have to worry about it. Now you have to move your car every 3 hours and pay via the app which seems like a downgrade. 

 

Also, I know this is an unpopular opinion but the bus sucks. That's why people who don't have to take it generally don't. You also still have to pay with exact change, right? That alone makes it awful. 

 

I gave up my car about 3 years ago now, and I think COTA has been fantastic for an agency its size. I do wonder how often people ride it who also thinks it sucks. I've probably had a couple bad experiences, sure, but I take the bus or bike everywhere and I get around just about as well as anyone, especially after the new system redesign, which I think has been fantastic.

 

Also,  I fall under the category of someone who would much rather spend 30-40 minutes on the bus playing video games, browsing the internet, reading the news, etc., rather than 25 minutes in a stressed out car commute fighting with other angry drivers. The lack of stress I have getting around and commuting is pretty unbeatable and I can't see myself going back to a car anytime soon ?

Edited January 24, 20196 yr by Zyrokai

1 hour ago, Zyrokai said:

Also,  I fall under the category of someone who would much rather spend 30-40 minutes on the bus playing video games, browsing the internet, reading the news, etc., rather than 25 minutes in a stressed out car commute fighting with other angry drivers. The lack of stress I have getting around and commuting is pretty unbeatable and I can't see myself going back to a car anytime soon ?

 

Absolutely this, people complain so much about how much longer the bus takes but I think one of the most overlooked aspects is that it's a passive commute. Driving may only take 30 minutes, but it's 30 minutes of stress, anxiety, road rage, and delays etc., while the bus or even a train is an hour of reading the news, playing games, music, and people watching. It's just an easy commute as opposed to driving. I personally noticed I became significantly happier and less anxious once I started taking the bus everyday even though it's longer, it's been worth it.  

 

EDIT - Oxford comma

Edited January 24, 20196 yr by DevolsDance