July 11, 20204 yr 10 minutes ago, jebleprls22 said: I hope when the Family Dollar site gets redeveloped they maintain that alleyway between it and the Third&High. Would be a great little pedestrian corridor for additional bars/retail What would you like to see proposed for that site? Also for the check cash site?
July 13, 20204 yr On 7/10/2020 at 3:39 PM, NorthShore647 said: The Sutton (Thur. 7-9-20) Streetscape progress on Phase 3 Third and High Question Regarding the Street Scape Progress: Now over a year removed from the completion of the previous phase, there is still a remaining piece of old sidewalk (including outdated concrete planters) in front of the building that sits where Buttles dead ends into High Street (next to shake shack). Does anyone on here have thoughts or insight as to why the city would complete a work *around* that old concrete while not actually replacing it? its odd to me every time I walk that stretch. The concrete needs replaced not only due to condition but also to match the work that this investment has completed thus far. It is an oddity that I keep hoping will get resolved as a matter of final punch list; however, they have been far removed from that phase now and I have lost hope. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9772403,-83.0035272,3a,75y,116.29h,76.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv3Qo1DVs5vLvJXsvUG9sIA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
July 13, 20204 yr ^There must be a lack of cooperation from the property owner. The city was unsuccessful with burying the utilities that serve the building as well, which is why you still see that wooden pole in the sidewalk and service line on the front of the building. Perhaps there is some type of vault under the sidewalk (extending from the building) or other condition that requires owner cooperation.
July 13, 20204 yr 13 minutes ago, ink said: ^There must be a lack of cooperation from the property owner. The city was unsuccessful with burying the utilities that serve the building as well, which is why you still see that wooden pole in the sidewalk and service line on the front of the building. Perhaps there is some type of vault under the sidewalk (extending from the building) or other condition that requires owner cooperation. That makes sense. Hoping it was a building/structural quirk as opposed to lack of cooperation; however, the old planters and trash bins make me think otherwise. Such an ugly patch on an otherwise great project.
July 13, 20204 yr ^There might be a vault under the sidewalk. That bad concrete might very well be the lid for that building vault.
July 13, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, ink said: ^There must be a lack of cooperation from the property owner. The city was unsuccessful with burying the utilities that serve the building as well, which is why you still see that wooden pole in the sidewalk and service line on the front of the building. Perhaps there is some type of vault under the sidewalk (extending from the building) or other condition that requires owner cooperation. Yeah, this is it. I have a copy of the streetscape plans. There is an existing basement beneath the sidewalk. It was supposed to be removed/filled in as part of the project and replaced with new concrete but obviously it was not. It looks like the city also made adjustments to the pedestrian signal pole location and did not replace the curb ramp as originally called for in the plans. Considering they also shifted the new curb ramp on the north side of Bollinger to line up with the existing on the south side, I suspect that old concrete is here to stay...
July 13, 20204 yr 6 minutes ago, .justin said: Yeah, this is it. I have a copy of the streetscape plans. There is an existing basement beneath the sidewalk. It was supposed to be removed/filled in as part of the project and replaced with new concrete but obviously it was not. It looks like the city also made adjustments to the pedestrian signal pole location and did not replace the curb ramp as originally called for in the plans. Considering they also shifted the new curb ramp on the north side of Bollinger to line up with the existing on the south side, I suspect that old concrete is here to stay... How does land ownership work with things like this? Is it similar to air rights? Does the city not own the underground land underneath the sidewalk? Edited July 13, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA
July 13, 20204 yr ^You would expect the sidewalk to mostly be city right-of-way, but I'm not sure how things work with the basement/vault extending underneath. Even if the building does not have the proper easement or legal provision for the vault, it could be a mess for the city to deal with if the owner is not cooperative. Perhaps they just decided to wait until the building finally sold and was renovated, and address the vault, sidewalk, and utilities at that time.
July 13, 20204 yr 12 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: How does land ownership work with things like this? Is it similar to air rights? Does the city not own the underground land underneath the sidewalk? The city has right-of-way all the way up to the building face here, so the building basement would be considered a right-of-way encroachment. I thought the city typically had these areas sealed off and filled in when they encounter them, though the note in the plans just called for the existing sidewalk above the top surface of the basement to be removed and then the top of the basement waterproofed before the new sidewalk is built. In this case though it looks like the "sidewalk" might actually be the top of the basement itself...
July 13, 20204 yr On 7/11/2020 at 2:30 PM, 614love said: What would you like to see proposed for that site? Also for the check cash site? For the Family Dollar Site, you have the precedent of taller The Jackson on High to encourage a taller development there. There is also far less residential development just east on 4th Ave there so something north of 10 stories would be appropriate and hopefully not adamantly opposed by immediate neighbors. Something like NBBJ proposed a little further north (https://www.columbusunderground.com/eight-story-hotel-proposed-for-university-district) would be really great and a hotel would help to connect the energy from the Short North and Uni District. The Check Smart site will end up being something more 4-6 stories I bet. Another office-centric project would probably be appropriate there, like the Grandview Mercantile replacement. Make a little node of new office space with The Castle just to the south.
July 13, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, .justin said: The city has right-of-way all the way up to the building face here, so the building basement would be considered a right-of-way encroachment. I thought the city typically had these areas sealed off and filled in when they encounter them, though the note in the plans just called for the existing sidewalk above the top surface of the basement to be removed and then the top of the basement waterproofed before the new sidewalk is built. In this case though it looks like the "sidewalk" might actually be the top of the basement itself... TIL: ^^^ Thank you. Very informative. Would at least love to see the planters and old trash bins removed to make use of that new width!
July 13, 20204 yr It's probably grandfathered in. There are a lot of vaults in older parts of town. Maybe it was a coal bin back in the day. My understanding is there's a 20' deep vault at the Lazarus building on S High. That's why the trees are in pots instead of in the ground. Vaults like these aren't permitted now.
August 21, 20204 yr On 7/10/2020 at 3:39 PM, NorthShore647 said: The Sutton (Thur. 7-9-20) Streetscape progress on Phase 3 Third and High Im not sure if we ever got any news on retail going in the 3rd and High building, but some signage just went up on the north end for a place called Whiskey Lounge by Corso.
August 21, 20204 yr 22 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Whiskey Lounge by Corso. Ugh..... But those of us around long enough predicted the transition to the new Park Street was inevitable. Maybe this mean that park street will eventually transition to a 'market district' with more shops retail and restaurants that will compliment the North Market more.
August 21, 20204 yr I remember being at the UO meetup last summer and seeing the old Park Street Cantina plus the spaces next to it being completely torn out and none of us knew what was going on when we walked past! It was a lot of Cincinnati users and new people (at the time) though.
August 21, 20204 yr I found a bit of info about it: "Across from its Standard Hall location, Corso Ventures is developing central Ohio’s first-ever full-service 110-unit apartment complex that will include a roof top pool/bar concept, a ground floor restaurant, whiskey lounge, barber shop and other amenities." 32 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: Maybe this mean that park street will eventually transition to a 'market district' with more shops retail and restaurants that will compliment the North Market more. Yeeeaaaa.... about that... "In redeveloping the Park Street area, Corso Ventures is working on a Marriott AC hotel with over 150 rooms, a rooftop bar and two restaurants on the ground floor." Info here: https://www.thisweeknews.com/assets/pdf/OH32226912.PDF Edited August 21, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA
August 21, 20204 yr 32 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: "In redeveloping the Park Street area, Corso Ventures is working on a Marriott AC hotel with over 150 rooms, a rooftop bar and two restaurants on the ground floor." Info here: https://www.thisweeknews.com/assets/pdf/OH32226912.PDF If they are true full service restaurants and not clubs, that might be a step in that very direction of less club street? I'll be curious to see the concepts.
August 31, 20204 yr According to a post on Reddit, there is an eviction notice on the 800 N. High Builidng where Moxy Hotel is. There is speculation that it is to Townhall, the Cleveland restaurant opening in the ground floor, but I found the original Instagram post and the OP said that Townhall responded and it was the wrong address. I looked up WeWork and they actually are also listed as 800 N High. I'm wondering if this is actually to WeWork considering the current struggles with coworking. Edited August 31, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA
August 31, 20204 yr 53 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: According to a post on Reddit, there is an eviction notice on the 800 N. High Builidng where Moxy Hotel is. There is speculation that it is to Townhall, the Cleveland restaurant opening in the ground floor, but I found the original Instagram post and the OP said that Townhall responded and it was the wrong address. I looked up WeWork and they actually are also listed as 800 N High. I'm wondering if this is actually to WeWork considering the current struggles with coworking. It is TownHall. The 'Tennant' listed is the Owners Llc. I've attached a clearer photo of the listing as well. Edited August 31, 20204 yr by DTCL11
August 31, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said: According to a post on Reddit, there is an eviction notice on the 800 N. High Builidng where Moxy Hotel is. There is speculation that it is to Townhall, the Cleveland restaurant opening in the ground floor, but I found the original Instagram post and the OP said that Townhall responded and it was the wrong address. I looked up WeWork and they actually are also listed as 800 N High. I'm wondering if this is actually to WeWork considering the current struggles with coworking. Did Townhall ever open period? Every time I’ve gone by it looked closed. I don’t care for it in Cleveland so never attempted to go in Cbus.
August 31, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: Did Townhall ever open period? Every time I’ve gone by it looked closed. I don’t care for it in Cleveland so never attempted to go in Cbus. No. They were set to open up in the spring, but they've been on hold during the pandemic. Also, what didn't you like about it? The food? Atmosphere? I've never been to it up in Cleveland and I've been looking forward to it opening. Edited August 31, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA
August 31, 20204 yr From Business First: Eviction on the table as Short North restaurant TownHall, landlord head to court https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/08/31/rent-dispute-between-townhall-and-landlord-now-in.html ^ FYI: I think this article is fully readable at the Business First link. If it isn't, let me know with a post here and I can post a few excerpts. (I've got a subscription, so I can't always tell if an article is behind their paywall.)
August 31, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, Columbo said: From Business First: Eviction on the table as Short North restaurant TownHall, landlord head to court https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/08/31/rent-dispute-between-townhall-and-landlord-now-in.html ^ FYI: I think this article is fully readable at the Business First link. If it isn't, let me know with a post here and I can post a few excerpts. (I've got a subscription, so I can't always tell if an article is behind their paywall.) It is, I just read it.
August 31, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said: No. They were set to open up in the spring, but they've been on hold during the pandemic. Also, what didn't you like about it? The food? Atmosphere? I've never been to it up in Cleveland and I've been looking forward to it opening. Their owners are conspiracy theorists who think drinking their non-GMO bone broth is a vaccine for coronavirus. There are also *plenty* of stories out there about them allowing/endorsing a racist workplace. Very Stable Genius
August 31, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said: Their owners are conspiracy theorists who think drinking their non-GMO bone broth is a vaccine for coronavirus. There are also *plenty* of stories out there about them allowing/endorsing a racist workplace. Ok. I'll let other people sort that stuff out. Is there anything wrong with the actual food? Edited August 31, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA
August 31, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Ok. I'll let other people sort that stuff out. Is there anything wrong with the actual food? Yes and no. The TownHall in Cleveland was very akin to Northstar with what I considered more approachable prices... but that has changed. IMHO they have realized they are a 'trendy' eatery and it went to their head in terms of quality, price, and general business practices. While I was initially super excited for the SN location, their recent string of politically focused PR, increasing prices, and general drop in quality has soured my taste for it. It is unfortunate all of this happened but if you are a business that focuses on a very socially aware demographic, you have to contend with image. Becoming controversial while simultaneously altering your product for the worse is just not a winning combo. Hopefully something can fill that space once the world trends back to normal.
September 1, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Ok. I'll let other people sort that stuff out. Is there anything wrong with the actual food? I personally never had a great meal there; I like the NorthStar comparison, but I would prefer the latter. Atmosphere is good, just overall not much to write home about.
September 1, 20204 yr 6 hours ago, DarkandStormy said: Their owners are conspiracy theorists who think drinking their non-GMO bone broth is a vaccine for coronavirus. There are also *plenty* of stories out there about them allowing/endorsing a racist workplace. This.
September 1, 20204 yr And this is the problem with hipster-lite art direction/fonts. Back when you had to do real art direction instead of just fonts everyone could tell who wasn't on the level. Nowadays with generic everything you can't tell who is cool and who is not.
September 1, 20204 yr Does anyone have the details of the new arch lighting system they seem to be installing? I hadn't seen anything on it here or in the news but I assume its just an upgrade for better and brighter lights?
September 1, 20204 yr 7 hours ago, DTCL11 said: Does anyone have the details of the new arch lighting system they seem to be installing? I hadn't seen anything on it here or in the news but I assume its just an upgrade for better and brighter lights? Yeah, they're just replacing the system - this was sent out to the Short North streetscape construction email list in July: Quote Arch Lighting Replacement Starts Soon From Poplar Ave. to Smith Pl. Beginning next month, crews will start replacing the North High Street arch lighting system. The current system of 17 arches and 859 bulbs was installed in 2006. Maintenance has been performed over the years, but the system has aged and it is now time to replace it. The arch lights will be replaced with a modern LED lighting system using the same archstructures. The new system will produce light shows like the old system and will be built with improved components. The Short North Special Improvement District will be assuming the day-to-day maintenance operations of the lighting system, including bulb maintenance and lightshows. This work is being performed with existing funds from the High Street Streetscape Improvements Project along with funding from the Short North Special Improvement District. Expect the arch lighting to be off (de-energized) when construction is active. Work is tentatively planned to start the week of August 10. Watch weekly construction updates for impact and progress information.
September 16, 20204 yr High St. has been milled along the phase 2 streetscape. Looks like we’ll have fresh asphalt soon.
September 19, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, 17thState said: Place looks like a complete ghost town. It does...but again with the street being torn up, the pandemic, and not knowing what day or the time of day it was taken, it can be expected. I can't see a single person...are there people eating under those umbrellas? Life after people, Columbus Ohio 2020.
September 19, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, 17thState said: Place looks like a complete ghost town. I think this picture was taken at a weird time. It does not at all represent the Short North recently. Head through there on any night, especially weekends, and it's as bustling as ever.
September 19, 20204 yr I took the photo around 5:30 Friday evening. There were lots of people south of me and at Michael’s. I didn’t notice that the photo looked like The Day After!
October 9, 20204 yr The Sutton (Fri. 10-9-20) Third and High High Street Streetscape Phase 3. Paving and striping is done, along with most of the planters until just north of 5th.
October 10, 20204 yr 6 hours ago, NorthShore647 said: Patiently waiting for something to happen with the family dollar location and also the checking cashing location in the Short North
October 10, 20204 yr 14 hours ago, 614love said: Patiently waiting for something to happen with the family dollar location and also the checking cashing location in the Short North At least it doesn't look as bad without the sign and some trees back in the ground out front. (Fri. 10-9-20) FWIW you can build a lot on .5 acres Edited October 10, 20204 yr by NorthShore647
October 12, 20204 yr I don't understand how those two sites still remain there like that. It's nuts at this point. Also, I don't understand why the city can't use freaking striped crosswalks in the most pedestrian heavy area of the city. It boggles my mind.
October 12, 20204 yr 19 minutes ago, Zyrokai said: I don't understand how those two sites still remain there like that. It's nuts at this point. Also, I don't understand why the city can't use freaking striped crosswalks in the most pedestrian heavy area of the city. It boggles my mind. I think the dollar general property is currently being leased as a staging ground for the 3rd and High project. I may be wrong. If it is, I bet it will get a proposal pretty quickly after that's over. As far as the other site, isn't there some underground stuff that they have to deal with because it was an old gas station at some point? Probably why it's the last site to go. Similar to the crappy Stop n Go site on south campus that hasn't been developed and looks out of place. I could be wrong about both of those, but that's why I assumed they hadn't been developed yet. Edited October 12, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA
October 12, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Zyrokai said: I don't understand how those two sites still remain there like that. It's nuts at this point. Also, I don't understand why the city can't use freaking striped crosswalks in the most pedestrian heavy area of the city. It boggles my mind. I say the same thing about Summit and 4th as well. Great that they have ADA compliant curbs but then there is no signage or marking for drivers to understand pedestrians actually have a right of way. Infuriating.
October 12, 20204 yr 13 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: I say the same thing about Summit and 4th as well. Great that they have ADA compliant curbs but then there is no signage or marking for drivers to understand pedestrians actually have a right of way. Infuriating. Those streets are terrifying to cross. They need to lower the speed and put way more signs. Crazy how people feel the need to go 60 down those streets.
October 12, 20204 yr 49 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Those streets are terrifying to cross. They need to lower the speed and put way more signs. Crazy how people feel the need to go 60 down those streets. Summit and Fourth have been literal expressways for traffic going or coming from downtown to Clintonville forever-I actually think it was worse during the 80's than now. Nobody lived downtown and the rest of the way up was not considered important at all-mostly lower middle class and poverty-just people nobody cared about or thought about. And the lower reaches just above downtown were very dangerous and people would drive fast because of that-I heard gunshots numerous times going down Summit and even more when going up Fourth. The crime was really bad in that area in the 80's and 90's. *I may be biased as the worst car accident I have been in happened on Fourth street in 1993-and it was not my fault! and alcohol and ignoring a stop sign were involved. And yes they should absolutely highlight the crosswalks as much as possible. Why they are not doing this is beyond me. Edited October 12, 20204 yr by Toddguy
October 12, 20204 yr 8 minutes ago, Toddguy said: Summit and Fourth have been literal expressways for traffic going or coming from downtown to Clintonville forever-I actually think it was worse during the 80's than now. Nobody lived downtown and the rest of the way up was not considered important at all-mostly lower middle class and poverty-just people nobody cared about or thought about. And the lower reaches just above downtown were very dangerous and people would drive fast because of that-I heard gunshots numerous times going down Summit and even more when going up Fourth. The crime was really bad in that area in the 80's and 90's. *I may be biased as the worst car accident I have been in happened on Fourth street in 1993-and it was not my fault! and alcohol and ignoring a stop sign were involved. And yes they should absolutely highlight the crosswalks as much as possible. Why they are not doing this is beyond me. Yeah I remember reading about how before the bike paths on those roads, the speed limit was actually 45 or something along those lines. That is insane for a road with that many houses.
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