January 1, 20232 yr ^I wonder when the parking lot and strip mall in the foreground will be redeveloped?
January 4, 20232 yr On 12/22/2022 at 6:59 PM, amped91 said: Nothing like a proposal for a new 10-story tower in the Short North to give us all a merry Xmas! As proposed to the Italian Village commission, it would replace the building that housed the Garden, and it would replace the small surface parking lot for Stonewall Columbus. It would contain a mix of ground floor retail, 60 apartment units, and a 3 level parking structure with 60 spots. It sounds like it’s in partnership with Stonewall, and the tenth floor would include a wellness center open to their members and the public. (In even better SN related news, both twins who were kidnapped from the neighborhood this week have been found alive!) Looking back at the past meetings, this had been presented before with a different design and the commission hated it. There was also a 3 story presented at the same time, that the commission was more in favor of. they said they would not approve demolition of the current garden building, and wanted it incorporated into a new design. The developer apparently doesn’t care much and presented this option now. I am curious to see how the commission responds to them only changing the design, but not including the garden building in the new design. Here are the original designs submitted the first time. In scheme b and c the first floor retail with parking behind. It looks like a giant parking garage. Compared to these, the new design is 100% better, but good lord, what is the developer thinking, all these options are horrible. Edited January 4, 20232 yr by VintageLife added pictures
January 4, 20232 yr What's so special about the Garden building? Is it the ceramic tile façade? Would using the same material on the first floor level satisfy the commission? I think the Sutton building that replaced Grandview Mercantile used material that was similar in appearance to the demolished building.
January 4, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Pablo said: What's so special about the Garden building? Is it the ceramic tile façade? Would using the same material on the first floor level satisfy the commission? I think the Sutton building that replaced Grandview Mercantile used material that was similar in appearance to the demolished building. Yeah the garden building is decent, but I don’t see the need in preserving it. The graffiti wall is nice, but I think it’s okay to tear some stuff down. The short north has done a decent job of not demolishing a lot of the buildings, that are actually old, and contribute to the area.
January 4, 20232 yr On 12/23/2022 at 10:06 AM, amped91 said: Yeah I remembered that being posted on here before. I hadn’t realized there was a proposal back in 2017 to redevelop the site, though. From those meeting minutes, it sounds like the IV commission back then was really opposed to demoing the Garden building. Wonder if the developers will run into similar opposition now? I really like how this rendering looks. I’d brought that up here. It makes me wonder how the composition of the IV Commission has changed since 2017. Also, it appears to be a different developer this time. I think it would be a nice touch if the developer preserves the original facade, but I think the commission will face an uphill battle if they try to block any sort of redevelopment on a single story building.
January 4, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, amped91 said: I’d brought that up here. It makes me wonder how the composition of the IV Commission has changed since 2017. Also, it appears to be a different developer this time. I think it would be a nice touch if the developer preserves the original facade, but I think the commission will face an uphill battle if they try to block any sort of redevelopment on a single story building. Ah nice, sorry I missed that. Yeah hopefully they are more open to this, since this design is better. I can’t see them winning a battle to preserve a 1 story, so hopefully they have come around a bit more.
January 4, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Ah nice, sorry I missed that. Yeah hopefully they are more open to this, since this design is better. I can’t see them winning a battle to preserve a 1 story, so hopefully they have come around a bit more. No need to apologize! 😁 I hope so too, though. Seems like this time around, the developer is more serious about redev too, with vacating the building, and forming a partnership with Stonewall.
January 4, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, VintageLife said: Looking back at the past meetings, this had been presented before with a different design and the commission hated it. There was also a 3 story presented at the same time, that the commission was more in favor of. they said they would not approve demolition of the current garden building, and wanted it incorporated into a new design. The developer apparently doesn’t care much and presented this option now. I am curious to see how the commission responds to them only changing the design, but not including the garden building in the new design. Here are the original designs submitted the first time. In scheme b and c the first floor retail with parking behind. It looks like a giant parking garage. Compared to these, the new design is 100% better, but good lord, what is the developer thinking, all these options are horrible. That's some Soviet era or Scandinavian prison type architecture right there!
January 5, 20232 yr Ten-Story Building Proposed for Short North A local company is looking to partner with Stonewall Columbus to build a ten-story mixed-use development next door to the organization’s Short North headquarters. The proposal, from Black Gold Capital, calls for a 60-unit building with ground floor retail and a rooftop fitness and wellness complex. Dave Hunegnaw, an investor and entrepreneur who is a partner with Black Gold Capital, said that early talks with Stonewall Columbus Executive Director Densil Porteous yielded a framework for the partnership, one that will involve regular donations to the organization as well as handing over 20 percent of the building’s units, which Stonewall plans to reserve for LGBTQ+ seniors. The project was submitted to the Italian Village Commission for a conceptual review, meaning that board members will provide feedback but won’t yet vote on the design. The commission last heard a proposal for the property in 2017, although that project did not extend into the Stonewall parking lot. “We know and understand that Columbus is growing and with growth comes change,” said Porteous. “It is a deep hope that this project appropriately supports our city’s growth while helping maintain and create a welcoming and inclusive community akin to the work that the Stonewall organization has been striving to support in Columbus since our founding in 1981.”
January 5, 20232 yr Sounds like a win-win for SN and Stonewall. I like the idea of holding some units for LGBT seniors.
January 5, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, amped91 said: Sounds like a win-win for SN and Stonewall. I like the idea of holding some units for LGBT seniors. I’m hoping that stonewall being down with it and the addition of the housing for seniors, this will push the commission to approve. Edited January 5, 20232 yr by VintageLife
January 5, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, amped91 said: Sounds like a win-win for SN and Stonewall. I like the idea of holding some units for LGBT seniors. How do you even go about enforcing this? Like, do they carry a LGBT senior card or.....
January 5, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: How do you even go about enforcing this? Like, do they carry a LGBT senior card or..... Yes.
January 5, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Huh. Learn something new every day. Generally these are just ran as LGBT affirming/friendly residences in other places, since it’s still legal in many places to discriminate based on sexual orientation. I would imagine the leasing of those 12 units would be operated by Stonewall, where, presumably, the majority of applicants would be LGBT community members. It was also mentioned in the app package that the wellness/amenity space would be available to Stonewall members, so I would imagine a portion of the programming there would be targeted towards the community.
January 6, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: How do you even go about enforcing this? Like, do they carry a LGBT senior card or..... Yeah seems a bit silly. Why can't it just be for seniors in general, why does their sexual orientation matter? Next we are going to see units getting reserved exclusively for left handed hispanic women or red headed men under 5ft6in! They should probably keeps things restricted to age and/or economic situation.
January 6, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, GCrites80s said: I think the honor system will suffice. Well we do all get our Eldergay cards when we hit 50 tho....just saying. lol You start getting hounded when you near 50-sort of like with AARP. And yeah these spaces are needed. I live in an area where there are no protections whatsoever for gay people of any age. Public accommodations, housing, employment-there are no protections. There is an epidemic of isolation among older men, and it is worst with older gay men. This will be a good thing, hopefully involving not just eldergays, but also other elders of our lovely alphabet community. Maybe they could have a token space for an old straight dude? lol.
January 6, 20232 yr A few more details on the new tower from the Dispatch, including a different working name from what CU is reporting. Also, why it’s important to have LGBT inclusive housing: ‘"It’s really difficult for LGBTQ seniors to find affordable housing, and they're creating that space," he said. "We have a lot of folks reaching out to us because of housing insecurity, who have been kicked out of their apartments because people found out they were gay." The building, to be called Garden Park in honor of the neighborhood's traditional name, would include 60 one- and two-bedroom apartments, along with 60 indoor parking spaces and a 10,500-square-foot commercial space on High Street that might be at least partially occupied by a juice bar. All apartments would have balconies and range from 606 square feet for the smallest one-bedroom to 1,641 for the largest two-bedroom. The entire top floor would be devoted to a wellness center, instead of a rooftop bar, which have dotted the neighborhood in recent years. Barnes said the design of the building, with its irregular High Street façade and colorful murals on the sides, also makes it stand out.” https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2023/01/06/proposed-10-story-short-north-building-linked-to-stonewall-columbus/69780393007/
January 6, 20232 yr 39 minutes ago, amped91 said: A few more details on the new tower from the Dispatch, including a different working name from what CU is reporting. Also, why it’s important to have LGBT inclusive housing: ‘"It’s really difficult for LGBTQ seniors to find affordable housing, and they're creating that space," he said. "We have a lot of folks reaching out to us because of housing insecurity, who have been kicked out of their apartments because people found out they were gay." The building, to be called Garden Park in honor of the neighborhood's traditional name, would include 60 one- and two-bedroom apartments, along with 60 indoor parking spaces and a 10,500-square-foot commercial space on High Street that might be at least partially occupied by a juice bar. All apartments would have balconies and range from 606 square feet for the smallest one-bedroom to 1,641 for the largest two-bedroom. The entire top floor would be devoted to a wellness center, instead of a rooftop bar, which have dotted the neighborhood in recent years. Barnes said the design of the building, with its irregular High Street façade and colorful murals on the sides, also makes it stand out.” https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2023/01/06/proposed-10-story-short-north-building-linked-to-stonewall-columbus/69780393007/ I would also guess that a lot of senior housing units/neighborhoods are against it also, it seems like a lot of those companies are run by churches/religious organizations and are probably discriminatory against lgbtq people. Edited January 6, 20232 yr by VintageLife
January 6, 20232 yr Interesting that Stonewall can work with this seemingly first time company for something like this, but Equitas put zero effort in to the check cashing building. Maybe Equitas can rethink it. Hey, there's an open space with a drive through a block south...
January 6, 20232 yr Columbus' Short North could get 10-story, $25M tower, with a portion of housing for LGQBT+ seniors A $25 million, 10-story mixed-use building could come to the stretch of the Short North that bridges that neighborhood with Ohio State's campus. Garden District Development is leading the project, which would be 10-stories and have 60 apartments. The building would have ground-floor retail, with plans for two tenants, likely with a tie to wellness. The new-construction building would replace the former Garden adult store and the Stonewall Columbus parking lot at the corner of North High Street and East 4th Avenue. The developer hopes to reserve 20% of the apartments, which will be one- and two-bedrooms, for LGBTQ+ seniors. Units would range from about 600 square feet to 1,600 square feet. Black Gold Capital is the private equity and funding partner behind Garden District Development. Darshan Vyas, co-founder of Loud Capital and managing partner of Black Gold Capital, said he's built a strong relationship with Stonewall Columbus via Loud's Pride Fund. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/06/short-north-apartment-building.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 6, 20232 yr Pretty optimistic timeline in that article: ”Black Gold and Stonewall are planning to partner with one of three developers, Vyas said. They hope to break ground this summer and wrap construction by 2024.”
January 7, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, amped91 said: Pretty optimistic timeline in that article: ”Black Gold and Stonewall are planning to partner with one of three developers, Vyas said. They hope to break ground this summer and wrap construction by 2024.” Agreed. Obviously means nothing, but I thought it was interesting that they already created an Instagram page for the apartments. Maybe they know something we don’t know about the commission lol
January 7, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, smjjms said: Agreed. Obviously means nothing, but I thought it was interesting that they already created an Instagram page for the apartments. Maybe they know something we don’t know about the commission lol I feel like stonewall probably has pretty good power that they can use, so hopefully it doesn’t have any pushback.
January 7, 20232 yr 21 hours ago, aderwent said: Interesting that Stonewall can work with this seemingly first time company for something like this, but Equitas put zero effort in to the check cashing building. Maybe Equitas can rethink it. Hey, there's an open space with a drive through a block south... It doesn’t look like any work has started on it yet, so it’s not too late to rethink, Equitas! In one of the articles, Porteous from Stonewall mentioned the revenue from the project would support the org longer into the future than the parking fees would. I would imagine Equitas wouldn’t have too much trouble finding a partner to fund redeveloping the payday site, which I think would to a similar revenue support. I think an LGBT-supporting pharmacy is good for the neighborhood, but I think even better is an LGBT-supporting pharmacy, more housing, and more financial support for the future of Equitas.
January 7, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, amped91 said: It doesn’t look like any work has started on it yet, so it’s not too late to rethink, Equitas! In one of the articles, Porteous from Stonewall mentioned the revenue from the project would support the org longer into the future than the parking fees would. I would imagine Equitas wouldn’t have too much trouble finding a partner to fund redeveloping the payday site, which I think would to a similar revenue support. I think an LGBT-supporting pharmacy is good for the neighborhood, but I think even better is an LGBT-supporting pharmacy, more housing, and more financial support for the future of Equitas. Yep, I think I mentioned that Equitas should do housing for lgbtq above a ground floor pharmacy. maybe with White Castle closing, they will just use that building instead, one can wish. It already has the drive thru built in and is ready to go.
January 7, 20232 yr I think this certainly an option for equitas linger term that we've discussed before. I believe though they will want more office and medical space out of a fuller development of their site. I imagine it's coming. But they have some pretty significant behind the scenes stuff to get in order that a place holder in the existing building is what makes sense for them while they strengthen the organization itself before further scaling up beyond their means.
January 8, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, VintageLife said: maybe with White Castle closing, they will just use that building instead, one can wish. It already has the drive thru built in and is ready to go. SILENCE!!! I want that "old" White Castle to be an urban Cook Out! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 8, 20232 yr Cook Out..... 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤 So many people just don't know what kind of southern heaven it is. Keep your Bojangles, bring me Cook Out.
January 8, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, ColDayMan said: SILENCE!!! I want that "old" White Castle to be an urban Cook Out! Start sending them messages everyday haha
January 8, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, DTCL11 said: Cook Out..... 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤 So many people just don't know what kind of southern heaven it is. Keep your Bojangles, bring me Cook Out. Cook Out is disgusting
January 9, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, wpcc88 said: Cook Out is disgusting Banned!!! 11 hours ago, VintageLife said: Start sending them messages everyday haha Been doing it since 2008. Not working 😪 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 9, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, ColDayMan said: Banned!!! Been doing it since 2008. Not working 😪 I spend a lot of time down south… tried it 3 times and each time… I’ll spare you the details
January 13, 20232 yr 47 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Parkside peaking out Actually looks really nice the way it appears to just keep stepping back from the front of the Eagle all the way back to the apartments.
January 13, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, amped91 said: Actually looks really nice the way it appears to just keep stepping back from the front of the Eagle all the way back to the apartments. Yeah I love how it looks. I’m happy that the eagle building can’t really be turned into anything else either. It could have some added stuff to the front, but will remain mostly as is.
January 13, 20232 yr Just wish we could get someone to follow through on the Union expansion and the Graystone lot to be developed and High/Hubbard would be a fully realized hub.
January 13, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: Just wish we could get someone to follow through on the Union expansion and the Graystone lot to be developed and High/Hubbard would be a fully realized hub. I think the Greystone should be a little outdoor food hall style place using shipping containers. Have them double staked with retail and food. Give small vendors a place to be noticed in the busiest area of town. It will also not take the view away from the south facing windows of the Greystone.
January 13, 20232 yr 🙄🙄🙄 $25M Short North tower proposal headed back to the drawing board “The developers and architects this week presented the plan to the Italian Village commission. It was a conceptual review, meaning no action was taken, but commissioners offered a mix of feedback on the size and look of the building. Jonathan Barnes, architect for the project, said the team is making adjustments to the building design to respond to the commission’s comments. They plan to come back to the commission next month. During the meeting, Commissioner David Cooke said the section of North High Street in question was not meant to support this level of height and density. "This would be the oddest drop in," Cooke said of the project. Commissioner Paige Schmeling also raised concerns about the height of the building, saying that the project could step down in height closer to High Street or be set back further from High Street. "Ten stories on High Street is a tough sell," she said. Several commissioners said they would like to see part of the former Garden building or facade be preserved. "I want to see a way to not deconstruct that facade and keep the character of that," said Commission Jason Sudy. "I think more could be done to pay homage (to the Garden building."’ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/13/short-north-stonewall-tower-density-height.html Wtf to the bolded quote. What a dumb thing to say.
January 13, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, amped91 said: 🙄🙄🙄 $25M Short North tower proposal headed back to the drawing board “The developers and architects this week presented the plan to the Italian Village commission. It was a conceptual review, meaning no action was taken, but commissioners offered a mix of feedback on the size and look of the building. Jonathan Barnes, architect for the project, said the team is making adjustments to the building design to respond to the commission’s comments. They plan to come back to the commission next month. During the meeting, Commissioner David Cooke said the section of North High Street in question was not meant to support this level of height and density. "This would be the oddest drop in," Cooke said of the project. Commissioner Paige Schmeling also raised concerns about the height of the building, saying that the project could step down in height closer to High Street or be set back further from High Street. "Ten stories on High Street is a tough sell," she said. Several commissioners said they would like to see part of the former Garden building or facade be preserved. "I want to see a way to not deconstruct that facade and keep the character of that," said Commission Jason Sudy. "I think more could be done to pay homage (to the Garden building."’ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/13/short-north-stonewall-tower-density-height.html Wtf to the bolded quote. What a dumb thing to say. Yeah, these people are annoying and need to be gone. The commissions need new members. It’s the premium spot in the city and is meant to hold a bunch of buildings and people. The point of the city investing so much in the area, was to make it a destination.
January 13, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, amped91 said: Commissioner Paige Schmeling also raised concerns about the height of the building, saying that the project could step down in height closer to High Street or be set back further from High Street. "Ten stories on High Street is a tough sell," she said. If there's any street in Columbus where ten stories shouldn't be a tough sell, IT'S HIGH STREET!!!
January 13, 20232 yr She's gonna be real surprised if she ever walks up and down High Street some day. Let alone 5 years from now with the UD is approving 10 stories to King
January 13, 20232 yr Quote During the meeting, Commissioner David Cooke said the section of North High Street in question was not meant to support this level of height and density. "This would be the oddest drop in," Cooke said of the project. ... It's literally across the street from the Jackson (9 stories?), a block from the King and High project (8 stories), and two blocks from the White Castle Building (8 stories). How did these people get these commission spots? It's really time to restructure the commissions from reviewing density and height and just having them focus on architectural design and build quality. Edited January 13, 20232 yr by DevolsDance
January 13, 20232 yr 19 minutes ago, DevolsDance said: ... It's literally across the street from the Jackson (9 stories?), a block from the King and High project (8 stories), and two blocks from the White Castle Building (8 stories). How did these people get these commission spots? It's really time to restructure the commissions from reviewing density and height and just having them focus on architectural design and build quality. I would hope the developer would bring this point up, or maybe they will just lower it 1 story and argue that.
January 13, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Yeah, these people are annoying and need to be gone. The commissions need new members. It’s the premium spot in the city and is meant to hold a bunch of buildings and people. The point of the city investing so much in the area, was to make it a destination. We need the zoning code update stat too. Take this sort of power away from the commissioners. High St should be the densest corridor in the city. We should be pushing for more density, not asking for less.
January 13, 20232 yr These members need to go. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 13, 20232 yr I think in general the commissions provide a lot of value and often improve the design of projects from a developer's initial version But having said that, I think they're clearly wrong and also ill-informed in this case - as everyone above has brought up Updating the zoning code could curb a lot of the worst tendencies of the commissions while still providing a design review that ensures we're getting high-quality projects. Also, obviously appointing well-qualified but pro-growth commissioners would go a long way 10 stories at 4th & Say is out of place; 10 stories at 4th & High should be expected
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