April 1, 20223 yr 37 minutes ago, CleveFan said: They still have the UFO show on late at night - and “reruns” of the Art Bell Show. Yep, Coast to Coast AM with George Noory! It's okay, but it's just not the same. I can't get into radio "reruns" or even pre-recorded broadcasts for the same reason I haven't gotten into podcasts. The thing I really like about radio is that "live and in the moment" sorta thing. For the most part we really don't have that kind of shared, collective viewing or listening experience anymore.
April 1, 20223 yr The reporting on Cleveland.com continues its downward spiral. I noticed a BOLD headline this morning asserting that a FEDERAL appeals court had upheld the trial courts decision in the Gibson Bakery lawsuit against Oberlin College. I was immediately confused and wondered how this state court action had made its way to federal court. Then I read the article ( presumably written by the sites reporter who handles legal and court reporting) and it stated that the 9th District Court of Appeals upheld the decision. The 9th District Court of Appeals is the appellate district for Lorain County and is a state court which of course then made sense. Really embarrassing. Edited April 1, 20223 yr by Htsguy
April 1, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, Htsguy said: The reporting on Cleveland.com continues its downward spiral. I noticed a BOLD headline this morning asserting that a FEDERAL appeals court had upheld the trial courts decision in the Gibson Bakery lawsuit against Oberlin College. I was immediately confused and wondered how this state court action had made its way to federal court. Then I read the article ( presumably written by the sites reporter who handles legal and court reporting) and it stated that the 9th District Court of Appeals upheld the decision. The 9th District Court of Appeals is the appellate district for Lorain County and is a state court which of course then made sense. Really embarrassing. I noticed they changed the headline and story to reflect it was an Ohio state court. Wonder if somebody at the website caught it or they received a mocking e mail from a lawyer.
April 1, 20223 yr 22 hours ago, CleveFan said: Interesting that Geraldo will end his 4 year run on WTAM due to increased responsibility with Fox. His last show is Friday, April 1. Has WTAM announced who will be replacing him?
April 1, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: Has WTAM announced who will be replacing him? I heard they have Bob Frantz cryogenically frozen to use whenever.
April 1, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: Has WTAM announced who will be replacing him? The PD Ray Davis said on air when they made Geraldo’s departure announcement that they hadn’t decided what the replacement show would be. How about Nick Camino? I know he’s at channel 3 but maybe he could swing the 1 hour morning show on WTAM too.
April 7, 20223 yr https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/04/jimmy-malone-to-take-over-geraldos-time-slot-on-wtam.html
May 7, 20223 yr Does Cleveland.com have anyone who actually looks at the appearance of their home page from an aesthetic point of view? They put a picture of each town's police car along with these community news segments. Today there's 4 of them: Shaker Heights, Avon Lake, Pepper Pike, and Cleveland Heights. They must feel it necessary to include a photo along with these segments, but overall on the page it looks ridiculous. And it's a daily occurrence. Who cares what each town's police cars look like? They must not have anyone to actually consider the overall look of the home page. Sorry for the rant if this has been discussed before, I went back a few pages here to 2020 & didn't see anything about it.
May 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSummit said: Does Cleveland.com have anyone who actually looks at the appearance of their home page from an aesthetic point of view? They put a picture of each town's police car along with these community news segments. Today there's 4 of them: Shaker Heights, Avon Lake, Pepper Pike, and Cleveland Heights. They must feel it necessary to include a photo along with these segments, but overall on the page it looks ridiculous. And it's a daily occurrence. Who cares what each town's police cars look like? They must not have anyone to actually consider the overall look of the home page. Sorry for the rant if this has been discussed before, I went back a few pages here to 2020 & didn't see anything about it. It's not a real paper any more, Advance Publications saw to it. Bought The Plain Dealer and set up cleveland.com (no brand continuity between the two) with its own, separate, non-union news room. I'm not in the newspaper business, but I know enough to know you don't want to cannibalize your own product by creating a separate product with a competing news room. They continued to erode the product reducing daily distribution of The Plain Dealer to 3 days a week. Finally they fired The Plain Dealer's news room, the original and oldest news guild in the country. They announced the cleveland.com newsroom would be writing for both making it pretty clear Advance was using cleveland.com slowly get rid of the more expensive, union employees of The Plain Dealer. Those crime articles you are referencing are basically just news madlibs. It's hardly journalism. It provides no broader context of crime in the city, you can get just as good of quality from the Cleveland police blotter Twitter. Cleveland has been described as a news desert and when confronted by that face the editor in chief Chris Quinn throws a tantrum in a "Letter from the Editor". It's infuriating and depressing and shouldn't be allowed. Hasan Minhaj has a good explainer on how private equity is destroying local papers.
May 7, 20223 yr @Luke_Sthanks, I'm already familiar with what happened with the paper and firing of the newsroom. I guess I'm just incredulous as to the absence of any kind of aesthetic sensibility at all. It's as if some bot is just posting these police feeds, and the home page looks absurd with all these repetitive police car images.
May 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Luke_S said: It's not a real paper any more, Advance Publications saw to it. Bought The Plain Dealer and set up cleveland.com (no brand continuity between the two) with its own, separate, non-union news room. I'm not in the newspaper business, but I know enough to know you don't want to cannibalize your own product by creating a separate product with a competing news room. They continued to erode the product reducing daily distribution of The Plain Dealer to 3 days a week. Finally they fired The Plain Dealer's news room, the original and oldest news guild in the country. They announced the cleveland.com newsroom would be writing for both making it pretty clear Advance was using cleveland.com slowly get rid of the more expensive, union employees of The Plain Dealer. Those crime articles you are referencing are basically just news madlibs. It's hardly journalism. It provides no broader context of crime in the city, you can get just as good of quality from the Cleveland police blotter Twitter. Cleveland has been described as a news desert and when confronted by that face the editor in chief Chris Quinn throws a tantrum in a "Letter from the Editor". It's infuriating and depressing and shouldn't be allowed. Hasan Minhaj has a good explainer on how private equity is destroying local papers. Touching on another pet peeve, why the bleep does everyone need to make a video for something that could have been written? Ego? Lazy? The reason printed newspapers are phasing out is they spend lots of money on paper, ink, and the transportation of same in order to be hours behind the news cycle. It's very basic. I'm not completely familiar with the situation here, but it sounds like the PD union did what unions often do: assumed that things will always be basically the same and didn't prepare for major change even when it was predictable.
May 7, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSummit said: Does Cleveland.com have anyone who actually looks at the appearance of their home page from an aesthetic point of view? They put a picture of each town's police car along with these community news segments. Today there's 4 of them: Shaker Heights, Avon Lake, Pepper Pike, and Cleveland Heights. They must feel it necessary to include a photo along with these segments, but overall on the page it looks ridiculous. And it's a daily occurrence. Who cares what each town's police cars look like? They must not have anyone to actually consider the overall look of the home page. Sorry for the rant if this has been discussed before, I went back a few pages here to 2020 & didn't see anything about it. No, they don't or they don't care. The home page is an embarrassment. How many daily entries for "Dear Annie" are present? If somebody wants to see prior entries, each story has a list of prior columns, yet the home page is cluttered with them. Stories are posted and stay on the home page for days, even though the event has passed and the results are known. On weekends, the page is barely touched. Agree with you about the suburban police blotters. The "News" section is cluttered with them, almost like nothing happens but police activity (then again, why have "reporters" work on finding stories, the police departments do the work for the "publication"). These news items are supposedly written by journalism majors, yet they are so poorly written and contain many mistakes. In days past when true journalists worked in written media, would never never survive and editors would catch mistakes. How many true, good and experienced reporters are even left with cleveland.com and the Plain Dealer? Not many and it shows. As for Chris Quinn, aside from the cost associated with maintaining the comments sections with most articles, one reason for getting rid of them is the frequent blasting of the content of such articles. On certain reporter wouldn't even allow comments to her articles, even before the publication stopped them. Yes, there was bullying and abuse, but dare to call out the reporter and one was risking getting the comment deleted. Edited May 7, 20223 yr by LifeLongClevelander
May 7, 20223 yr The home page is a cluttered mess with way too much stuff randomly placed there and unnecessary multiple photos of police cars and Annie Lane's face. It needs to be better organized and condensed. Jusr put headlines there, then let the viewer drill down for more detail on local, national, business, entertainment, etc.
May 7, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: The home page is a cluttered mess with way too much stuff randomly placed there and unnecessary multiple photos of police cars and Annie Lane's face. It needs to be better organized and condensed. Jusr put headlines there, then let the viewer drill down for more detail on local, national, business, entertainment, etc. In my previous post, I omitted the almost cyclical repeating of old, out-dated stories concerning old shopping malls, eating establishments of the past, former retailers and so on. The bigger issue is by keeping, old and stale articles, re-use of articles that haven't been updated, multiple daily columns by the same national writers and over-reliance on police blotter filler, it is an an obvious attempt to cover up how woefully void of relevant content they have on their site. This is sad commentary on how badly this publication has degenerated.
May 7, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: The home page is a cluttered mess with way too much stuff randomly placed there and unnecessary multiple photos of police cars and Annie Lane's face. It needs to be better organized and condensed. Jusr put headlines there, then let the viewer drill down for more detail on local, national, business, entertainment, etc. And now they added the ask Amy articles too. How much would the paper save by not paying for these syndicated articles? AP article too, I know where I can go to read The Associated Press for free if that's what I wanted...
May 7, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Luke_S said: And now they added the ask Amy articles too. How much would the paper save by not paying for these syndicated articles? AP article too, I know where I can go to read The Associated Press for free if that's what I wanted... The worst example of journalistic negligence that I have ever seen from cleveland.com concerned the incident of a drunken teenager riding on a HealthLine bus several years ago. Transit police were called when the bus was near to Cleveland State University. At the same time there was a large group gathering at the school. They converged on the two officers, demanding they turn over the drunken teenager to them. Those officers had no idea who the teenager was, nor who comprised the agitated crowd. As the crowd converged on the officers, they chose to hold them off with pepper spray. They did so to protect themselves and the teenager. Eventually, EMS arrived and he was turned over the the EMS crew. Yet, in the completely irresponsible reporting on the incident, cleveland.com decided to use a picture of Tamir Rice in the article. It equated what happened to him with the tactics used by RTA Transit Police to disperse the crowd in a safe and responsible manner. What would have been written by that publication if harm came to the teenager if the police surrendered him to an unknown crowd? The uproar of protest by all sides, even those who did not support the police, against the linking of Tamir Rice's picture to that incident caused cleveland.com to replace his picture with a generic mosaic from some piece of art. That sort of gutter-level journalism has no place anywhere.
May 7, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said: No, they don't or they don't care. The home page is an embarrassment. How many daily entries for "Dear Annie" are present? If somebody wants to see prior entries, each story has a list of prior columns, yet the home page is cluttered with them. Stories are posted and stay on the home page for days, even though the event has passed and the results are known. On weekends, the page is barely touched. Agree with you about the suburban police blotters. The "News" section is cluttered with them, almost like nothing happens but police activity (then again, why have "reporters" work on finding stories, the police departments do the work for the "publication"). These news items are supposedly written by journalism majors, yet they are so poorly written and contain many mistakes. In days past when true journalists worked in written media, would never never survive and editors would catch mistakes. How many true, good and experienced reporters are even left with cleveland.com and the Plain Dealer? Not many and it shows. As for Chris Quinn, aside from the cost associated with maintaining the comments sections with most articles, one reason for getting rid of them is the frequent blasting of the content of such articles. On certain reporter wouldn't even allow comments to her articles, even before the publication stopped them. Yes, there was bullying and abuse, but dare to call out the reporter and one was risking getting the comment deleted. I got my ID banned on clecom, apparently because I pointed out that an article on another Advance paper's website clearly should have been labeled "sponsored content", their euphemism for advertising disguised as news stories. I recall Naymik getting shredded in the comments when he wrote a couple of columns about a feud between two bars that blatantly sided with the place that was breaking pretty much every law applicable and causing all sorts of neighborhood problems. At that point, it was clear that inevitably the comments would go away.
May 7, 20223 yr Yeah, well across the country most local newspapers are dead now or just a skeleton of themselves. The internet killed them. No use complaining that local newspapers stink. It's like complaining that a corpse smells. What do you expect?
May 10, 20223 yr On 5/7/2022 at 11:45 AM, cadmen said: Yeah, well across the country most local newspapers are dead now or just a skeleton of themselves. The internet killed them. No use complaining that local newspapers stink. It's like complaining that a corpse smells. What do you expect? It wasn't just the Internet. It was also the ownerships. Many newspapers were bought up by conglomerates who were allowed by late-1990s deregulation to acquire multiple media outlets within the same markets. The conglomerates then began eliminating parallel media outlets, especially newspapers, to eliminate competition and drive up advertising prices. Sun Newspapers used to compete with the Plain Dealer. When we were both bought out by Newhouse, we were both both destroyed. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 10, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, KJP said: It wasn't just the Internet. It was also the ownerships. Many newspapers were bought up by conglomerates who were allowed by late-1990s deregulation to acquire multiple media outlets within the same markets. The conglomerates then began eliminating parallel media outlets, especially newspapers, to eliminate competition and drive up advertising prices. Sun Newspapers used to compete with the Plain Dealer. When we were both bought out by Newhouse, we were both both destroyed. Most certainly it was ownership and management. With the Internet, it is completely possible to put out a respectable and quality online publication. Here, ownership has permitted most of the experienced talent go, either by laying them off, letting them go to other markets or retire. Most of the remaining people are inexperienced and probably waiting to jump to a better publication. The dwindling readers are "rewarded" with syndicated columnists, stale stories that are left for days, un-updated recycled pieces, sloppiness/errors and filler fluff. Sounds just like a repeat of the Sears/K-Mart merger, just in print media.
May 10, 20223 yr ^ Of course I was being somewhat flippant about the internet killing local newspapers. There were and continue to be other factors too. Those of us who grew up reading the newspaper lament what has happened. Deregulation has hurt more companies than just newspapers. Whatever happened to the anti-trust laws? Sure the ability to buy up competing media outlets in the same market, then ending some of them to limit competition is part of the problem. Not good for the consumer of news. Decisions by management to let seasoned writers go is more a function of lack of advertising dollars than just poor decision making. What happened to those advertising dollars? They went to the internet. I don't have a background in the business like you Ken, so I'll defer to you. I'm sure you could write a book on the demise of the business from an insiders perspective. One bad decision after another, chipping away at what once was a mainstay in hometown news. The local newspaper was not just a source of local news it was part of the national fabric of democracy. A successful democracy needs an informed electorate. Yellow journalism notwithstanding, local newspapers had a history of printing the truth. They held themselves to a standard that the internet doesn't. You can't put the genie back in the bottle but the internet is a decided mixed bag. We have Urban Ohio. We also have QAnon.
June 3, 20223 yr A magazine called Cleveland that rarely talks about Cleveland "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 20223 yr 48 minutes ago, smith said: i don’t think you got this caption right cleveland.com The headline was accurate for the content of the article. It has been updated now anyway for clarification by including the mayor. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/mayor-cleveland-schools-ceo-refuse-to-arm-teachers-after-state-lawmakers-encourage-it.html When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 8, 20223 yr 50 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: The headline was accurate for the content of the article. It has been updated now anyway for clarification by including the mayor. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/mayor-cleveland-schools-ceo-refuse-to-arm-teachers-after-state-lawmakers-encourage-it.html Is Karrie Howard on Bibb’s left or to the left of Bibb?
June 8, 20223 yr 42 minutes ago, smith said: Is Karrie Howard on Bibb’s left or to the left of Bibb? My bad, I misread your post When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
July 8, 20222 yr Why on earth is the Plain Dealer digital edition a whopping $22.99 per month, but Sunday print Delivery + Digital access only $18.99? And the garbage interface of Cleveland.com is only $9.99. (I got an iPad for reading and I'd prefer a "newspaper" feel of the Plain Dealer "Digital Access.") It's a sad state of affairs at the PD. Even in this tough era for local journalism, the Columbus Dispatch seems to be doing things much more sensibly - $9.99 for a digital subscription with no disction between the "website" and the paper. (I am familiar with the story of Advance and the union-busting of the PD newsroom, hence Cleveland.com being separate, but still you'd think they'd get their pricing to make some sort of logical sense.) Can anyone who has either of these subscriptions share your experience? Am I better off going with Cleveland.com and forgoing the newspaper interface? Is there any real difference in content? I'm trying to get away from national news and read local news more primarily. Edited July 8, 20222 yr by mu2010
July 8, 20222 yr I don't know about those charges but l am billed almost $90 a month for 4 days of paper paper and 3 of digital. I've been a subscriber for ever and at this point l'm thinking about giving it up. The price is bad enough but the quality is even worse. I don't blame the PD though. The business model has changed and l either accept it or give it up. Sunday is the only day when it still looks somewhat like a real paper. The rest of the week it's an embarrassment.
July 28, 20222 yr Former CNN anchor Christi Paul joining WKYC Ch. 3 as anchor and special reporter Updated: Jul. 26, 2022, 7:26 p.m.| Published: Jul. 26, 2022, 3:02 p.m. By Joey Morona, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Former CNN anchor Christi Paul is joining WKYC Channel 3 in the fall. The announcement comes exactly one month after she announced she was leaving the network and her position as the anchor on the weekend edition of “New Day” to be closer to her family in Ohio. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/07/former-cnn-anchor-christi-paul-joining-wkyc-ch-3-as-anchor-and-special-reporter.html?outputType=amp
September 1, 20222 yr Part of the Ohio Local News Initiative and with the Cleveland Documenters in their newsroom, a new newsroom is name -- Signal Cleveland. https://signalcleveland.org/updates/introducing-signal-cleveland And you can help them out by completing this survey: https://signalcleveland.org/survey Edited September 1, 20222 yr by Luke_S
September 21, 20222 yr So Channel 19, WOIO and WUAB and WTCL might be moving from Reserve Square out to Independence? Why would anyone want to move a newsroom out of a downtown way out to the edge of suburbia?
September 21, 20222 yr That is a real head scratcher. They moved downtown from the suburbs so they could be closer to the action. Perhaps Independence made them a offer they couldn't refuse. Ironically, iHeart recently moved their stations from Independence to 668 Euclid.
September 21, 20222 yr 13 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: That is a real head scratcher. They moved downtown from the suburbs so they could be closer to the action. Perhaps Independence made them a offer they couldn't refuse. Ironically, iHeart recently moved their stations from Independence to 668 Euclid. Grey Television, the owner of WOIO, WUAB, and WTCL acquired the channels in 2021 which might explain reversing course.
September 21, 20222 yr I think theyll be by topgolf. 10 mim from downtown is not really the edge of suburbia
September 21, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: That is a real head scratcher. They moved downtown from the suburbs so they could be closer to the action. Perhaps Independence made them a offer they couldn't refuse. Ironically, iHeart recently moved their stations from Independence to 668 Euclid. They are likely moving into the space iHeart left. That section of Independence by 77/480/Rockside has a lot of activity and has rapid access to pretty much everywhere in the county.
September 21, 20222 yr 17 minutes ago, E Rocc said: They are likely moving into the space iHeart left. No. Gray will be constructing a new building between Topgolf and Embassy Suites. iHeart was in a building on Oak Tree Blvd, on the other side of I-77. Edited September 21, 20222 yr by LibertyBlvd
September 21, 20222 yr Their current studios add pretty much nothing to the street other than a building wrap advertising CW shows and now their channel branding. Seems like there could be a better use for this quiet part of downtown.
September 22, 20222 yr I think Castele is really good - this seems promising for Signal When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
September 22, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: I think Castele is really good - this seems promising for Signal I went to school with Nick and have been friends with his family my entire life. He's exceptional in the realm of reporting and I don't think he's even close to his peak yet. This is an amazing pickup. In fact Signal generally has found some amazing reporters quickly.
September 22, 20222 yr 20 minutes ago, KFM44107 said: I went to school with Nick and have been friends with his family my entire life. He's exceptional in the realm of reporting and I don't think he's even close to his peak yet. This is an amazing pickup. In fact Signal generally has found some amazing reporters quickly. I fully expected him to pick it up and end up in a huge metro with the quality of his work, excited he's sticking around. I poked around on their site and all their reporting salaries start at $75k, that has to be very competitive for the NEO media landscape.
September 22, 20222 yr 22 minutes ago, GISguy said: I fully expected him to pick it up and end up in a huge metro with the quality of his work, excited he's sticking around. I poked around on their site and all their reporting salaries start at $75k, that has to be very competitive for the NEO media landscape. Nick is one of those guys who knows he has the talent to go somewhere bigger but loves home too much to leave. I would guess that unless NYT or someone comes knocking he will probably stick around here.
September 22, 20222 yr 15 minutes ago, KFM44107 said: Nick is one of those guys who knows he has the talent to go somewhere bigger but loves home too much to leave. I would guess that unless NYT or someone comes knocking he will probably stick around here. That's great to know. We're lucky to have him while we do!
October 8, 20222 yr Lori Stokes "retiring" and returning to Cleveland. Hmmm...🤔 I realize she didn't actually work in Cleveland media (at least I don't think) but I suspect she'll end up on one of the local stations in some capacity. "I am going to disappear for one month on one of my favorite islands, and then I will go back to my roots in Ohio. I have a lot of projects I need to do. My dad [Louis Stokes] was a US congressman for years [representing Cleveland’s East Side] and when I was taking care of him when he was in hospice he said, “I guess I never thought I’d be in this situation because I was so busy living.” His legacy is secure — buildings named after him — and he also left a ton of memorabilia, papers and photos, at our house in Maryland. I’m the keeper of all this historical work of his and I have not only an obligation, but also the passion, to see that all his materials get to the right place in Cleveland. So that’s going to be a major project. I’m also on the board of trustees of the Cleveland Clinic [and several other organizations] so I want to dedicate my time to those projects. In the back of my mind, a documentary here, a book there … for the first time since I was 13, I’m not working and don’t have to be told what to do." Edited October 8, 20222 yr by eastvillagedon http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 3, 20222 yr Sam Allard will be complaining on a new platform soon. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
December 10, 20222 yr I’ve noticed recently that Cleveland.com has a very Cincinnati Bengals tilt to the local sports coverage. What the hell is going on with this. They have an article up right now that makes predictions on tomorrows score, and they are ALL Cindy sports writers. This is in addition to a lot of Bengal centric articles over the past couple months. Is the owner of Cleveland.com really subbing out Browns coverage to Cincy writers?
December 10, 20222 yr 2 minutes ago, w28th said: I’ve noticed recently that Cleveland.com has a very Cincinnati Bengals tilt to the local sports coverage. What the hell is going on with this. They have an article up right now that makes predictions on tomorrows score, and they are ALL Cindy sports writers. This is in addition to a lot of Bengal centric articles over the past couple months. Is the owner of Cleveland.com really subbing out Browns coverage to Cincy writers? No. Cleveland.com started a new thing where they cover rival sports teams. They do this for the Steelers and Michigan too.
December 10, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, KFM44107 said: No. Cleveland.com started a new thing where they cover rival sports teams. They do this for the Steelers and Michigan too. It's all about the clicks.
January 9, 20232 yr On 9/1/2022 at 6:58 PM, Luke_S said: Part of the Ohio Local News Initiative and with the Cleveland Documenters in their newsroom, a new newsroom is name -- Signal Cleveland. https://signalcleveland.org/updates/introducing-signal-cleveland And you can help them out by completing this survey: https://signalcleveland.org/survey I met Lawrence Caswell at Cleveland Brewery this weekend. I got my brother to show up, and since LC is a musician of course Dave knew him. Something I think conservatives and most liberals can agree on: document what government does always.
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