I wish Triv would have gotten the axe.

I thought this was terrible re: Brian and Joe.  The amount of money they have raised each year for Rainbow hospitals with their radio-thon is staggering, and they have consistently given back to the community in numerous other ways, with coats for kids drives, etc.  Their St. Patty's day party was a great time every year and I think giving them the axe without even having the chance to say goodbye to their listeners is terrible.

We lost a couple of respected sports announcers as well from Clear Channels layoff. Crazy.

I know people on here have always felt the slanted vibe/shock headlines/half truths the PD seems to put out at times (especially with the new editor..!)  BUT, today I found a story in the paper that starts off even "anti-cleveland"

 

in the opening line, and I quote:

 

Can't find a job? It could be time to move.

 

What?!  From a Cleveland paper that's dropping in subscriptions?

 

The article ends on a more opimistitic note, essentially sounding like Forbes is keeping an eye on Cleveland...BUT what is the point for the PD and the writer to start an article like that for the city it serves?!?  seriously?

 

Maybe I'm beating a dead horse on this one, but it just p!ssed me off today.  (luckily LBJ MVP, Tribe won in extra innings, postive amtrak coverage, and cavs playoffgame tonight...so it's not keeping me in too bad of a mood  :-D)  And maybe the author was just looking for some sort of attention-getter.

 

 

here's the link to what I'm taking about.  It deals with another Forbes list:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business-12/1241512432314840.xml&coll=2

Speaking of Forbes lists, have you ever checked out their America's Best Colleges List?  The tope 10 or so are fairly expected.  But it gets kind of ridiculous as you move down the list.  Case Western Reserve University is #403, behind about 15 other Ohio colleges and universities (including Mount Union and Capital).

Wow.  maybe someone at Forbes had a bad experience at Case!!

 

But I wasn't trying to start a discussion on these crazy lists...(hell i may even make one up someday!), rather the style and tone of reporting.

Wow.  maybe someone at Forbes had a bad experience at Case!!

 

But I wasn't trying to start a discussion on these crazy lists...(hell i may even make one up someday!), rather the style and tone of reporting.

 

I wouldnt call this reporting I would call it damage.  This "reporter" did exactly what forbes does.  Recycle garbage with no research.

The opening tagline is ridiculous. I don't even think the Forbes article even used msa stats. I think it was purely core city numbers. My brother's co-worker in another city sent the article as a way to prove Cleveland is a terrible place to live. (I guess my brother and his co-workers have been having a debate about cities in the midwest) This is the really sad part about these lists. People believe them and base their perceptions on them. Even more disconcerting is that this co-worker had never even been to the city. My brother said he just repeated every yahoo, Forbes and CNN article he had ever read about Cleveland. Honestly, I wish the PD was just go away. I knew they would post this "fluff piece" in the business section. Did the PD post or mention the WSJ article detailing North Collinwood's emergence as a place for artist? No. This is exactly why I don't read the PD.

I don't necessarily feel the need to debunk these articles as not being factual. I think Cleveland is struggling where other cities might not be .. at least, maybe not as much.

 

But so what? I think that, as long as the leadership are working to improve the local economy, then people shouldn't feel threatened by what other people say. Cities have periods of struggle, and Cleveland's economy has been forced to reinvent itself to a certain extent because of the massive loss of industrial jobs over the years. It's still finding its way, I think, to a certain extent .. it's like, in a way, so much of its identity was tied to its industrial image, and now that so much of it is gone, it's immediately perceived that it's not doing well.

 

Why are people (and I'm talking mostly about the PD and people who believe their fearmongering) so threatened by that?? Honestly, who cares what Forbes thinks? Their data and assessments can be helpful in showing how a region can make improvements, but their word doesn't determine how a region DOES.

 

I actually think it can be an exciting time for Cleveland because I think that it's faced with the reality that it's either sink or swim time. But Cleveland doesn't strike me as a city that gives up easily. It's not like people are sitting on their hands. Things are in the pipeline. I think the Cleveland region is still strong economically. It could be doing better. But I personally think cities should be looking to be doing better ALL the time, and not just during an economic downturn.

I don't necessarily feel the need to debunk these articles as not being factual. I think Cleveland is struggling where other cities might not be .. at least, maybe not as much.

 

But so what? I think that, as long as the leadership are working to improve the local economy, then people shouldn't feel threatened by what other people say. Cities have periods of struggle, and Cleveland's economy has been forced to reinvent itself to a certain extent because of the massive loss of industrial jobs over the years. It's still finding its way, I think. Why are people (and I'm talking mostly about the PD and people who believe their fearmongering) so threatened by that?? [glow=red,2,300]Honestly, who cares what Forbes thinks? Their data and assessments can be helpful in showing how a region can make improvements, but their word doesn't determine how a region DOES.

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It's not like people are sitting on their hands. Things are in the pipeline. I think the Cleveland region is still strong economically. It could be doing better. But I personally think cities should be looking to be doing better ALL the time, and not just during an economic downturn.

 

this is why.....

) This is the really sad part about these lists. People believe them and base their perceptions on them. Even more disconcerting is that this co-worker had never even been to the city. My brother said he just repeated every yahoo, Forbes and CNN article he had ever read about Cleveland.

 

Those perceptions turn into negative business data points.  If you are a company and you have to move a company/division to Cleveland or Charlotte and you believe that information, you may not even do comparisons/due diligence and just go with Charlotte based on personal preference/perception.  I know that sounds crazy but that is how some people think.

 

My assistants couldn't understand why I loved Cleveland. During the layoff in '04 they came to visit me for two weeks and got to see the city through my eyes.

It goes both ways.  When I lived in LA everyone I knew constantly sent me negative news reports about LA.  Fires, floods, reports about how awful the traffic was, how can you live there type stuff, whatever. 

It goes both ways.  When I lived in LA everyone I knew constantly sent me negative news reports about LA.  Fires, floods, reports about how awful the traffic was, how can you live there type stuff, whatever. 

 

Yeah, but that's true  LA sucks!  :P

Like here, there's much to love, and much not to love.  Just a bigger scale.  Honestly, isn't everywhere like that?  what place is idyllic and has no problems?

Like here, there's much to love, and much not to love.  Just a bigger scale.  Honestly, isn't everywhere like that?  what place is idyllic and has no problems?

 

I know, I'm just being a stinker today!

Those perceptions turn into negative business data points. If you are a company and you have to move a company/division to Cleveland or Charlotte and you believe that information, you may not even do comparisons/due diligence and just go with Charlotte based on personal preference/perception. I know that sounds crazy but that is how some people think.

 

My assistants couldn't understand why I loved Cleveland. During the layoff in '04 they came to visit me for two weeks and got to see the city through my eyes.

 

Exactly. Cleveland's gotten a bad rap for a loooooong time. This is something we should all be used to, to a certain extent. But it's not something we should be threatened by. Let them think what they want. We know it's a great place.

 

I think it's important to show that Cleveland is being progressive, that it is really moving forward. I don't know if the city is there yet, at least as far along as it could/should be necessarily, but there are things happening that I think we should all be encouraged by. There are people who come to Cleveland and hate it. There are people who come to Cleveland and love it. Every city has that. Some companies will choose to move there, and some won't. It happens. It's unfortunate that some of those companies don't look further beyond the quick headlines.

 

But those of us who have friends who think negatively of the city can work as ambassadors to change those mentalities. That's what I do. I tell people that I love Cleveland, and I am totally unashamed of that, and I don't make excuses or apologize for it. It has its problems, but every city does.

jpop -

 

You're right. I think this is an exciting time for the region. I think for as much as the city has gone through, we continue to hold our own. I think we are slowly diversifying our economy. I don't think people understand how painful and slow the transition from a manufacturing to service driven economy can be. Granted, we have leaders who don't get it and too much infighting. It's like Microsoft switching from making computer software to selling coffee.(probably a bad exmaple...) Also, its not like there's nothing going on. They're quite a few projects on the horizon that can transform the city.

Did the PD post or mention the WSJ article detailing North Collinwood's emergence as a place for artist? No. This is exactly why I don't read the PD.

 

I can't recall if The PD mentioned the WSJ article. But the newspaper wrote a similar story back in late 2007. It actually was linked here at UO.

 

Unfortunately, I am having trouble copying and pasting the UO link here. It's in the Cleveland: Waterloo Arts District thread.

 

Personally, I wish all newspapers would put less stock into how other publications grade their regions. There always are good arguments for and against the methodology. But while it's interesting to see how outsiders see us, I'm not sure how useful some of these these rankings are. Again, just my personal opinion -- in no way am I speaking for PD management.

 

- Henry Gomez, PD city hall reporter

the biggest problem is we do not have a omni media marketing campaign for the city that is endorsed and backed by it's citizens (who lives where and why, etc), elected officials (why you ran and what you love about the area you service?) and business improvement districts (not all areas have one). 

 

 

Nor is there nor is there coordinated media distribution by our news and media outlets.  Not one of our outlets is a true champion of Cleveland.  Even when things are wrong, not one is willing to say in a fair and balanced manner  a) What happened/wrong b) what citizens/elected officials are doing to correct the problem c) list the resources those citizens/business need to fix the problem  d) fight negative perceptions. (we can't expect the Plain Dealer to do that, now can we?)

 

 

Until that is achieved, we'll never move forward or be thought of as progressive across the board.

I was mostly refering to the fact why a PD reporter would start an article in that manner.  I'm not even knocking him for writing the article.  On the plus side, he's does put the quotes in about the potential of Cleveland success.  Who knows, maybe it was his motive to try and persuade people to continue to push for change....?

 

Again, I was not trying to start a convo on Forbes or perceptions of the city.

 

I'm just perplexed why a local writer/paper would take such an initial negative tone even goes as far to say "you may need to move away".....how does that help anything??

It doesn't. It reflects the PD's pervasive inability to believe in its own region and to do whatever it can to destroy it.

It doesn't. It reflects the PD's pervasive inability to believe in its own region and to do whatever it can to destroy it.

 

Agreed.  That is exactly what I mean by there is no media "champion" of the city.

 

Are the reporters so lazy they rehash an AP article instead of disecting it and finding a way to list the positives with the negatives?

But let's be honest, what if there were an article that said Chicago was the worst place to live (there was I think).  Do you really think the image of Chicago being a sh!tty city would stick?  It wouldn't. 

I don't think we should ignore or deny our negatives. That would be like going to the other extreme, and I don't think that's helpful, either.

 

But I don't see the Cleveland region as a sh**ty place to be. Why should the PD, or any other Cleveland media outlet?

 

I'm not placing all of the blame on the media, because there are valid negatives that need to be reported on, and the press has a responsibility to do so. I don't want them now to swing to the opposite extreme and gloss everything over with sunshine and gumdrops. But their editorializing certainly doesn't help ANYTHING. Cleveland is not nearly as bad as the perception of it.

But let's be honest, what if there were an article that said Chicago was the worst place to live (there was I think). Do you really think the image of Chicago being a sh!tty city would stick? It wouldn't.

 

Yes, I know plenty of people who have never been to Chicago and would be quick to run with that perception if it was drilled into their minds repeatedly by Forbes lists posited as front page Yahoo and MSN articles.

But let's be honest, what if there were an article that said Chicago was the worst place to live (there was I think).  Do you really think the image of Chicago being a sh!tty city would stick?  It wouldn't. 

 

Yes, I know plenty of people who have never been to Chicago and would be quick to run with that perception if it was drilled into their minds repeatedly by Forbes lists posited as front page Yahoo and MSN articles.

 

I would venture that both are true.  Cleveland really does have problems, and prominent weekly national criticism perpetuates these problems a great deal.  The first time, it's information.  It's not like they're lying.  But the 10th time they broadcast the same "information" it's clearly a smear campaign.  Smear campaigns can be very effective.

Bet ya this doesn't make it into the PD, and if it does bet ya it won't go in there without some snide comment by the reporter or headline writer (ie: "Despite the general consensus that Cleveland is rotting like a stinking pile of oozing garbage according to everyone in the known world, or at least the only ones who matter -- those of us in the newsroom -- some fools think Cleveland actually has some great assets.....").

 

http://cleveland.cox.net/cci/newslocal/local?_mode=view&view=LocalNewsArticleView&articleId=3960457&_action=validatearticle

 

Ten Best Cities For Recent College Grads List Released, Including Cleveland   

05-06-2009 4:13 AM

 

(Undated) -- With tens of thousands of newly minted college graduates about to be released upon the world, the timing of a new ten best list couldn't be more perfect. CareerBuilder.com and Apartments.com have teamed up to build a list of Ten Best Cities For Recent College Graduates and Cleveland is on the list.

 

Leading that list is Indianapolis. Philadelphia ranked second best. In third spot is Baltimore with Cincinnati and Cleveland rounding out the top five. New York City ranked sixth on the list followed by Phoenix, Denver, Chicago and San Antonio is tenth.

 

Housing in individual cities ranked large as the list was put together. In addition to housing costs, researchers looked at the concentration of young adults, aged 20 to 24 based on Census Bureau figures. They also looked carefully at the number of jobs available that require less than one year of experience.

KJP is on a roll today!  LOL

(ie: "Despite the general consensus that Cleveland is rotting like a stinking pile of oozing garbage according to everyone in the known world, or at least the only ones who matter -- those of us in the newsroom -- some fools think Cleveland actually has some great assets.....").

 

Don't do the work for them!! Let them come up with their own headlines!

 

Seriously, I think these survey results should be used in a mass-marketing campaign to reach universities across the country. I think it would be a great way to get the conversation started that there are fantastic things about Cleveland for recent college grads.

A thoughtful column from the Sunday Plain Dealer and one worth pondering given some of the exchanges and comments that get posted on U-O.  My only comment is that before you hit the "Post" button, give what you wrote a second thought.

 

Anonymity of the Internet attracts anger's poster children

by Susan Goldberg

Sunday May 10, 2009, 4:46 AM

Goldberg is the editor of The Plain Dealer.

 

Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, stopped by The Plain Dealer the other day with a pronouncement.

 

The Internet, he said, has become the "superhighway of hate."

 

Foxman, who as an infant was saved from the Holocaust by his Polish Catholic nanny, has spent more than 40 years at the ADL fighting anti-Semitism and other forms of discrimination. Clearly, he knows something about hate. But what he was talking about in this case was not flesh-and-blood Nazis marching through Skokie, but something as seemingly ordinary as the comments that people leave on cleveland.com.

 

Let's not paint with an overly broad brush: On every news Web site, there are thoughtful people whose observations -- interesting, against-the-grain, informative, unique -- add to a lively civic and civil debate. That's the point of commenting.

 

But take a spin around cleveland.com or any news site: Too many writers have turned our newest means of communication into a disquieting community survey of bigotry and bias. Commenters spew any thought -- no matter how ugly, unfair or untrue -- goading others to do the same and further debasing our virtual public square. Why are they so bold? Because they're as anonymous as a hooded Klansman.

 

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2009/05/anonymity_of_the_internet_attr.html

This is a hilarious editorial.

 

The PD comes out with so many charged headlines and slanted points of view in their articles that are clearly meant to spark emotional responses. Now, all of a sudden, Goldberg wants to wash her hands clean of any responsibility.

 

Obviously, the articles mentioned in her editorial aren't necessarily the ones I mean. But I just really think standards need to start getting raised all across the board at the PD. If they don't want to inspire those types of comments then start ACTING like a media outlet that doesn't spark those types of comments.

Yeah, I really thought the maps of downtown Cleveland and Detroit were out of scale because Susan Goldberg is Jewish

Carl Monday is going after downtown again. His newest investigation is focused on purse snatchers at Barroom. It airs tonight.

Monday's investigation into the cop at the WSM was ridiculous.  "Hey, there is little crime at the WSM, so do we really needa cop there?" 

 

Hey jacka$$, maybe there is little crime bc there IS a cop there. 

Carl Monday is going after downtown again. His newest investigation is focused on purse snatchers at Barroom. It airs tonight.

 

I saw that and while it's absolutely horrible that these women have had their purses snatched, I can't believe they would leave their purse at their seat and walk away to hit the dancefloor? It's like someone said - treat your purse like a wad of cash; aka don't let it out of your sight.

 

Most of my galpals will have a "club" purse which is more or less a change purse with a light sling/strap that holds keys, ID, a card or two, cash and that's it. That or they drop their purses on the dancefloor right where they're dancing. It's terrible but it seems like it might have been preventable in a few cases. :-|

Carl Monday is going after downtown again. His newest investigation is focused on purse snatchers at Barroom. It airs tonight.

 

I saw that and while it's absolutely horrible that these women have had their purses snatched, I can't believe they would leave their purse at their seat and walk away to hit the dancefloor? It's like someone said - treat your purse like a wad of cash; aka don't let it out of your sight.

 

Most of my galpals will have a "club" purse which is more or less a change purse with a light sling/strap that holds keys, ID, a card or two, cash and that's it. That or they drop their purses on the dancefloor right where they're dancing. It's terrible but it seems like it might have been preventable in a few cases. :-|

 

People are stupid.  You can walk up and down just about any suburban street and find cars parked in the driveway that could have been secured in the garage, all unlocked and often with purses and cell phones inside.

Carl Monday is going after downtown again. His newest investigation is focused on purse snatchers at Barroom. It airs tonight.

 

I saw that and while it's absolutely horrible that these women have had their purses snatched, I can't believe they would leave their purse at their seat and walk away to hit the dancefloor? It's like someone said - treat your purse like a wad of cash; aka don't let it out of your sight.

 

Most of my galpals will have a "club" purse which is more or less a change purse with a light sling/strap that holds keys, ID, a card or two, cash and that's it. That or they drop their purses on the dancefloor right where they're dancing. It's terrible but it seems like it might have been preventable in a few cases. :-|

 

People are stupid. You can walk up and down just about any suburban street and find cars parked in the driveway that could have been secured in the garage, all unlocked and often with purses and cell phones inside.

 

Almost every bar/club, downtown and in the burbs, i see purses left all alone. I dont know what mindset these girls are in where they think it is ok to leave a purse unattended for an extended period of time. Then of course when the purse is stollen it is never the owners fault, but instead that fact that it happened downtown.

Almost every bar/club, downtown and in the burbs, i see purses left all alone. I dont know what mindset these girls are in where they think it is ok to leave a purse unattended for an extended period of time.

 

Um, DRUNK?  That's why I never brought a purse to begin with.  If you don't bring one, you can't lose it.

Almost every bar/club, downtown and in the burbs, i see purses left all alone. I dont know what mindset these girls are in where they think it is ok to leave a purse unattended for an extended period of time.

 

Um, DRUNK? That's why I never brought a purse to begin with. If you don't bring one, you can't lose it.

 

I could see misplacing something when drunk, but i cant imagine them thinking there purses will be safe out in a downtown bar/club because there drunk.

Ill even put my wallet and phone in my front pockets instead of leaving them in the back pockets when i go out.

Carl Monday is going after downtown again. His newest investigation is focused on purse snatchers at Barroom. It airs tonight.

 

I saw that and while it's absolutely horrible that these women have had their purses snatched, I can't believe they would leave their purse at their seat and walk away to hit the dancefloor? It's like someone said - treat your purse like a wad of cash; aka don't let it out of your sight.

 

Most of my galpals will have a "club" purse which is more or less a change purse with a light sling/strap that holds keys, ID, a card or two, cash and that's it. That or they drop their purses on the dancefloor right where they're dancing. It's terrible but it seems like it might have been preventable in a few cases. :|

 

People are stupid.  You can walk up and down just about any suburban street and find cars parked in the driveway that could have been secured in the garage, all unlocked and often with purses and cell phones inside.

 

You beat me too it.  My mother does that all the time.  She will leave her purse on the seat of the car then go back into the house, if she forgot something.  Her "excuse", "nobody's going to come all the way to the back yard to take the car or her purse as it's too far from the street and people just don't walk up and down the street, here."

 

Keep in mind I walked up the driveway and she didn't even know I was in house.

 

I took her purse to teach her a lesson about two months ago.

 

She was like, "someones in the backyard, call the police."  So I went thru the motions of going out there.  After about 10 minutes, I asked her to get something out of the pantry, where I put her purse.

Carl Monday is going after downtown again. His newest investigation is focused on purse snatchers at Barroom. It airs tonight.

 

I saw that and while it's absolutely horrible that these women have had their purses snatched, I can't believe they would leave their purse at their seat and walk away to hit the dancefloor? It's like someone said - treat your purse like a wad of cash; aka don't let it out of your sight.

 

Most of my galpals will have a "club" purse which is more or less a change purse with a light sling/strap that holds keys, ID, a card or two, cash and that's it. That or they drop their purses on the dancefloor right where they're dancing. It's terrible but it seems like it might have been preventable in a few cases. :|

 

People are stupid.  You can walk up and down just about any suburban street and find cars parked in the driveway that could have been secured in the garage, all unlocked and often with purses and cell phones inside.

 

You beat me too it.  My mother does that all the time.  She will leave her purse on the seat of the car then go back into the house, if she forgot something.  Her "excuse", "nobody's going to come all the way to the back yard to take the car or her purse as it's too far from the street and people just don't walk up and down the street, here."

 

Keep in mind I walked up the driveway and she didn't even know I was in house.

 

I took her purse to teach her a lesson about two months ago.

 

She was like, "someones in the backyard, call the police."  So I went thru the motions of going out there.  After about 10 minutes, I asked her to get something out of the pantry, where I put her purse.

 

I used to 'steal' my younger cousins bikes when they were younger because they used to leave them on the tree lawn and go inside the house for hours at a time.

I don't know what Channel 19's beef is with downtown but they are running another negative segment about the city. It's called Dirty Dining Downtown. I know news organizations do these segments all the time but it seems like they are relentlessly attacking downtown.

Almost every bar/club, downtown and in the burbs, i see purses left all alone. I dont know what mindset these girls are in where they think it is ok to leave a purse unattended for an extended period of time.

 

Um, DRUNK? That's why I never brought a purse to begin with. If you don't bring one, you can't lose it.

 

I could see misplacing something when drunk, but i cant imagine them thinking there purses will be safe out in a downtown bar/club because there drunk.

 

Pardon me for asking, but have you ever been drunk?  :)  Because that's EXACTLY what they think.  They go, "Oh, nobody's going to bother our stuff over here."  Sometimes they'll even ask some other drunk person to "watch their stuff" while they go dance, which of course nobody does.  Common sense does not prevail.  This is why you must plan ahead if you know you're going out drinking.

Maybe Carl Monday can do an expose of immoral, disloyal, scumbag journalists who sit on important information for weeks instead of behaving like responsible citizens and immediately informing the proper authorities.  I'm thinking about the Euclid Corridor here.

Her "excuse", "nobody's going to come all the way to the back yard to take the car or her purse as it's too far from the street and people just don't walk up and down the street, here."

 

That's just exactly what the theives are hoping she'll think.  It's nice of her to comply, it makes their jobs so much easier. 

 

My boss has gotten her purse stolen TWICE when she has left it in her car to go to a concert "because she didn't want to carry it."  BOTH TIMES she had her actual SS card in it.  You know what a PITA it is to get a new SS card?  Yeah, but even after one lesson, she didn't learn. As my father used to say, "Sometimes you have to hit the dumb ones twice."

Almost every bar/club, downtown and in the burbs, i see purses left all alone. I dont know what mindset these girls are in where they think it is ok to leave a purse unattended for an extended period of time.

 

Um, DRUNK? That's why I never brought a purse to begin with. If you don't bring one, you can't lose it.

 

I could see misplacing something when drunk, but i cant imagine them thinking there purses will be safe out in a downtown bar/club because there drunk.

 

Pardon me for asking, but have you ever been drunk? :) Because that's EXACTLY what they think. They go, "Oh, nobody's going to bother our stuff over here." Sometimes they'll even ask some other drunk person to "watch their stuff" while they go dance, which of course nobody does. Common sense does not prevail. This is why you must plan ahead if you know you're going out drinking.

 

Haha its pretty common for me to be drunk on the weekends, but i guess as a guy thats nothing im physically dragging around from bar to bar. Regardless of how drunk i am i dont think i would ever leave a personal object out in the open while at a bar. I havnt seen the "investigative report" (what a joke) yet but i hope they dont turn this into people are being mugged inside cadillac ranch, instead tell it how it is, and remind these people something they should have learned a long time ago not to leave your purse unattended.

i cant imagine them thinking there purses will be safe out in a downtown bar/club because there drunk.

 

It's not that they think their purses will be safe, it's that they're drunk enough that the thought doesn't even cross their mind as to whether or not it's safe to leave their purse unattended, it's just the easiest thing to do at the moment.

I think a lot of women think just like MTS' mom.  They just think people have better intentions than they actually do.  I think men think they are more invincible than women, which gets them into similar trouble, whereas women are more trusting than they really should be.  Both qualities in both sexes are exacerbated by drinking, which is why you end up with girls with stolen purses and guys in bar fights.

I think a lot of women think just like MTS' mom.  They just think people have better intentions than they actually do.  I think men think they are more invincible than women, which gets them into similar trouble, whereas women are more trusting than they really should be.  Both qualities in both sexes are exacerbated by drinking, which is why you end up with girls with stolen purses and guys in bar fights.

 

And thats why I don't carry a purse or drink!  ;D 

"Almost every bar/club, downtown and in the burbs, i see purses left all alone. I dont know what mindset these girls are in where they think it is ok to leave a purse unattended for an extended period of time."

 

Same thing happens at fitness centers - at least where I go. Almost without fail, I'll open a locker without a lock on it and voila - some guy has put his stuff (cell phone, wallet, gym bag, etc.) in a locker and figured it'd be safe there. I'm half tempted to print out a leaflet saying "Your items *could* have been stolen - please use a lock!" and leave it in every locker like that. It irks me, because I just want to put my stuff in, lock it and get on with my workout but I usually have to open three or four lockers to find an empty one.

 

Getting back on topic, I believe 19 has been doing the "Dirty Dining" segment for a while - focusing strictly on downtown might be new, but that segment's been around (and as long as they balance it with a few "clean" spots I don't mind; THAT is investigative reporting).

^I see. I guess I'm just a little irked at the previous two stories (WSM cop and Cadillac Ranch) and now this. I was a little surprised to learn Carl Monday lives in downtown Cleveland. That makes me think that he is genuinely interested in downtown.