February 16, 201312 yr LIKE on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cwruhousemafia New source for news for University Circle and Cleveland. Here's their description: "An independent student run news source at Case Western Reserve domiciled on Hessler St. CWRU is hella cool; it's time we let people know." http://cwruhousemafia.tumblr.com/ Here's the further description: "CWRU House Mafia strives to create a media source that fills the void between The Daily, The Observer, The Cleveland Scene and Unmiserable Cleveland, breaks down information silos within Case Western Reserve to encourage collaboration across disciplines and fosters campus pride. Case Western Reserve University is hella cool; it’s time we let people know. CWRU House Mafia is a grassroots effort meant to engage and develop a deeper sense of community at Case Western Reserve. If you are interested in participating or have any questions or feedback, please feel free to contact [email protected] Best Regards, Paul Mannix Founder & Editor-in-Chief of CWRU House Mafia Also we like Swedish House Mafia - that’s where the name comes from. "
July 30, 201311 yr Bruce Katz of the Brookings Institute and Yale mentioning Cleveland/NE Ohio as a success story of turning regional economies around... http://www.npr.org/2013/07/25/204862376/a-metro-revolution-cities-and-suburbs-do-what-d-c-cant?ft=1&f=1008
July 30, 201311 yr I listened to that interview on Fresh Air. It's got some great things to say about NEO.
July 31, 201311 yr Im not sure if this belongs here. I could not find another Plain Dealer thread. Mods move it if you find a better place. http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/cleveland-latest-large-city-with-newspaper-cuts-as-plain-dealer-marks-last-week-of-7-day-delivery
August 1, 201311 yr I have not had a subscription in decades, but this is still lamentable. I don't think the owners tried hard enough.
August 1, 201311 yr Advance Communications sucks. They also chopped down Sun Newspapers from a once-proud company. No vision. The media moguls in town still think the region's strongest growth areas are in the exurbs. I told one of them, an aging white man, not long ago to start a web-based news service that focuses on the urban core. He looked at me like I was smoking a Sun Newspaper. Sadly, few people with publishing skills in Cleveland understand the urban core nor have any idea what's going on there. Only after it shows up on at least a full decade's worth of Census data will they start to pay attention. Maybe. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 1, 201311 yr I have not had a subscription in decades, but this is still lamentable. I don't think the owners tried hard enough. The newspaper's never going to have close to the role it used to in a culture that wants news now. It's a non-factor as far as scoops are concerned. Even its big stories leak to the 'net before they are ready for release. In a lot of areas, technology has been used to eliminate the extraneous work required to achieve a goal. Newspaper printing and distributing is certainly one of them.
August 1, 201311 yr Advance Communications sucks. They also chopped down Sun Newspapers from a once-proud company. No vision. The media moguls in town still think the region's strongest growth areas are in the exurbs. I told one of them, an aging white man, not long ago to start a web-based news service that focuses on the urban core. A newspaper needs advertisers to be a successful, profitable business. Who's advertising to a bunch of jobless people in the urban core? The exurbs are where the people with money are, and those are who the advertisers are trying to reach. Seems pretty logical
August 1, 201311 yr Advance Communications... No vision. The old owner was a newspaper man. The new owner is going to ride the Plain Dealer down until the end. It could decay into a shopping circular, and when Eggar has sold his last mattress ad and cannot buy another drum of ink, he is going to dissolve the newspaper and walk off. It's a shame because the Plain Dealer is Ohio's "newspaper of record". It has three times the circulation of that partisan rag that is published in Columbus. Readers from Ashtabula to Cincinnati read the Plain Dealer for its great reporting. Cannot say that about any other newspaper in Ohio
August 1, 201311 yr Advance Communications sucks. They also chopped down Sun Newspapers from a once-proud company. No vision. The media moguls in town still think the region's strongest growth areas are in the exurbs. I told one of them, an aging white man, not long ago to start a web-based news service that focuses on the urban core. A newspaper needs advertisers to be a successful, profitable business. Who's advertising to a bunch of jobless people in the urban core? The exurbs are where the people with money are, and those are who the advertisers are trying to reach. Seems pretty logical Probably newspapers (much like the Plain Dealer) who get paid to post want ads and other job seeker information.
August 1, 201311 yr Are subscribers who already bought earlier annual subscriptions getting pro rata'd refunds. My parents have no interest in an e-version, and it boils my blood thinking they are bring ripped off, paying for a good they don't want.
August 1, 201311 yr The vision needs to come from the people being laid off. It won't be the Plain Dealer, but something new could start to rise, but I don't know that any of them are so entrepreneurial, and it would be helpful if the TV news stations were laying off people at the same time.
August 1, 201311 yr Folks, just like magazines and books, people are trending toward reading their news and media electronically. This is not an issue specific to Cleveland or NE Ohio.
August 1, 201311 yr A newspaper needs advertisers to be a successful, profitable business. Who's advertising to a bunch of jobless people in the urban core? Are you f*cking kidding me? You're more educated than that on what is happening not just in University Circle but in downtown, Ohio City, Tremont, Asiatown and Detroit-Shoreway. And this is spreading outward from the core. I would have expected to see that kind of comment on cleveland.com. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 1, 201311 yr A newspaper needs advertisers to be a successful, profitable business. Who's advertising to a bunch of jobless people in the urban core? Are you f*cking kidding me? You're more educated than that on what is happening not just in University Circle but in downtown, Ohio City, Tremont, Asiatown and Detroit-Shoreway. And this is spreading outward from the core. I would have expected to see that kind of comment on cleveland.com. You noticed I skipped over that! As a Cleveland resident I didn't want to dignify that asinine statement with a comment.
August 1, 201311 yr Folks, just like magazines and books, people are trending toward reading their news and media electronically. This is not an issue specific to Cleveland or NE Ohio. That's putting it mildly. Anything that lets information be transmitted instantly without affiliated extraneous costs is going to displace methods which do not.
August 1, 201311 yr Folks, just like magazines and books, people are trending toward reading their news and media electronically. This is not an issue specific to Cleveland or NE Ohio. That's putting it mildly. Anything that lets information be transmitted instantly without affiliated extraneous costs is going to displace methods which do not. I work in Media, I so the only way I could put it midly. However, that is the bottom line. The Magazine, Newspaper, Book publishers associations show reader gains in EST, in print vs. EST every year for the past 8 years. The only place that they don't show a large switch is comic books. but that has been trending up lately, now that graphics on tablets and PCs can handle 3d animation.
August 1, 201311 yr A newspaper needs advertisers to be a successful, profitable business. Who's advertising to a bunch of jobless people in the urban core? Are you f*cking kidding me? You're more educated than that on what is happening not just in University Circle but in downtown, Ohio City, Tremont, Asiatown and Detroit-Shoreway. And this is spreading outward from the core. I would have expected to see that kind of comment on cleveland.com. I think we all agree with you KJP. But this isn't how most MBA corporate finance people think. They are lazy. They go for low hanging fruit. It's easier to tear down a mall (WestGate) and build new (Crocker) in a zip code with better numbers. They don't think big picture, they only see what's on their spreadsheet in front of them. It's easy to pull off when most of those people in the exurbs welcome it with open arms, and are the leading the charge to our American "throw away" Wal Mart society.
August 1, 201311 yr A newspaper needs advertisers to be a successful, profitable business. Who's advertising to a bunch of jobless people in the urban core? Are you f*cking kidding me? You're more educated than that on what is happening not just in University Circle but in downtown, Ohio City, Tremont, Asiatown and Detroit-Shoreway. And this is spreading outward from the core. I would have expected to see that kind of comment on cleveland.com. I am aware of all that's going on in those areas & others, but what's the threshold of subscribers needed to produce & circulate a paper? The PD couldn't do it with subscribers all across NE Ohio. How do you propose doing it with something less than 100k people (assuming 25% of the city population is the educated engaged type who want to pay for local news)?
August 1, 201311 yr I never said a thing about circulating a paper. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 201311 yr Funny how Akron has a daily newspaper. Lake County has a daily newspaper. Lorain has a daily newspaper. Even Elyria, just seven miles from Lorain, has a daily newspaper. But somehow Cleveland can't have a daily newspaper? That's not on Cleveland. That's on Retreat, er, Advance Communications. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 201311 yr Seems as though the company is trying to get around the union... They could start by treating their employees as humans. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 201311 yr Funny how Akron has a daily newspaper. Lake County has a daily newspaper. Lorain has a daily newspaper. Even Elyria, just seven miles from Lorain, has a daily newspaper. But somehow Cleveland can't have a daily newspaper? That's not on Cleveland. That's on Retreat, er, Advance Communications. I "hear" what you're saying but each of those papers has a different audience, size, circulation (partial overlap) and expenditures than the PD.
August 2, 201311 yr Don't you think that embedded within Cuyahoga County are audiences with the sizes and demographic makeups of an Akron, a Lorain and an Elyria -- all at the same time? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 201311 yr Don't you think that embedded within Cuyahoga County are audiences with the sizes and demographic makeups of an Akron, a Lorain and an Elyria -- all at the same time? Thats why I said partial overlap in circulation. There are a lot of variables.
August 2, 201311 yr Funny how Akron has a daily newspaper. Lake County has a daily newspaper. Lorain has a daily newspaper. Even Elyria, just seven miles from Lorain, has a daily newspaper. But somehow Cleveland can't have a daily newspaper? That's not on Cleveland. That's on Retreat, er, Advance Communications. What's interesting is that the bulk of those papers have struggled. The ABJ cut the newsroom down several years ago once it got new owners. The News-Herald has gone through several owners thanks to multiple corporate bankruptcies. The PD and its owners probably perform better than any of their competitors. The issue is the current Newhouse family leadership. They are going all in when it comes to digital (ironically, their site and e-edition apps suck) and no longer care about print. Its about page views, not quality anymore. I'm not sure how that move makes sense as very few digital only pubs make much money since the advertising market isn't as strong as print. A paywall would've probably made more sense (at least until the digital market grows more) while staying a 7 day paper but the Newhouses weren't interested. I think its key to remember that Simmons, Egger, etc. didn't come up with this idea. It was a corporate move that started in Ann Arbor and New Orleans and is filtering down to the rest of the Newhouse papers. I'll be curious to see how this move changes other media in the region and if they step it up. Let's face it, much of the AM news in this town is just rip and read from the PD. The Tv and radio stations rarely break news of substance.
August 2, 201311 yr The New Herald used to do very well. Although they are down, like all papers are, they still are doing alright. Management is what has killed them. Also corporate is using their revenue to subsidize failing papers elsewhere. Instead it should be used to invest back in the the News Herald or to increase employee pay. And as for Sun, the PD destroyed it. They hired managers who knew nothing and did nothing to stop the paper that was massively profitable into a financial drag due to wasteful spending.
August 2, 201311 yr I'll be curious to see how this move changes other media in the region and if they step it up. Let's face it, much of the AM news in this town is just rip and read from the PD. The Tv and radio stations rarely break news of substance. When a relative of mine worked at Channel 3, when she came to work on Thursday mornings, the news reporters were sitting around reading through all of the Sun Newspapers spread out across a big table in the newsroom. Later that evening, our (Sun's) articles would end up on the TV news -- without attribution, of course. TV news is going to have to rely on police blotters for their rip-n-read material. So expect more Channel 19-type crime news coverage in this town. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 201311 yr I'll be curious to see how this move changes other media in the region and if they step it up. Let's face it, much of the AM news in this town is just rip and read from the PD. The TV and radio stations rarely break news of substance. It opens up more space for public broadcasting/Ideastream: the other outlet that writes complete thoughts in complete sentences.
August 2, 201311 yr I'll be curious to see how this move changes other media in the region and if they step it up. Let's face it, much of the AM news in this town is just rip and read from the PD. The Tv and radio stations rarely break news of substance. When a relative of mine worked at Channel 3, when she came to work on Thursday mornings, the news reporters were sitting around reading through all of the Sun Newspapers spread out across a big table in the newsroom. Later that evening, our (Sun's) articles would end up on the TV news -- without attribution, of course. TV news is going to have to rely on police blotters for their rip-n-read material. So expect more Channel 19-type crime news coverage in this town. That don't surprise me. I heard the AP charges alot for their content. Maybe the media is cutting back from the AP as well.
August 2, 201311 yr I'll be curious to see how this move changes other media in the region and if they step it up. Let's face it, much of the AM news in this town is just rip and read from the PD. The TV and radio stations rarely break news of substance. It opens up more space for public broadcasting/Ideastream: the other outlet that writes complete thoughts in complete sentences. I don't know if I've posted this idea here before, but why not a "public" newspaper along the same lines as NPR/PBS? With the for-profit sector failing, it seems like an idea whose time has come.
August 2, 201311 yr I don't know if I've posted this idea here before, but why not a "public" newspaper along the same lines as NPR/PBS? With the for-profit sector failing, it seems like an idea whose time has come. The public sector is failing as well. Congress can't pass simple budgeting laws to keep the existing government running, let alone adding a new program. And the State of Ohio is more interested in trying to run puritanical theocracy so we can party like its 1599. I wouldn't want the city or county to fund a journalistic operation because they are likely to be subject to critiques by the journalistic operation. Perhaps you are thinking something more along the lines of something I've thought about -- a subscriber-only, web-based publication funded by philanthropic sponsors. It could be a 501c3 nonprofit or maybe someday a public-benefit corporation (unfortunately Ohio has no PBC laws, yet). I would love to be a part of such an operation. This kind of journalism is sorely needed in print form. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 201311 yr Well, I believe that PBS/NPR are a semi-private nonprofit and that they get a very small percentage of their funding from actual public sources.
August 2, 201311 yr Well, I believe that PBS/NPR are a semi-private nonprofit and that they get a very small percentage of their funding from actual public sources. Correct. GOPers are always trying to defund Big Bird. I would stay away from public-sector funding for that reason. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 5, 201311 yr Well, I believe that PBS/NPR are a semi-private nonprofit and that they get a very small percentage of their funding from actual public sources. Correct. GOPers are always trying to defund Big Bird. I would stay away from public-sector funding for that reason. I've always found it funny when liberals who excoriate corporate welfare scream about this....as if Big Bird isn't rather self sustaining financially. (Barney, execrable in so many other ways, is an even worse example, PBS paid the production company to make episodes and didn't see any of the licensing money). The comment upthread about government-run media is a good one. It has an inherent conflict of interest.
August 5, 201311 yr Well, day one of the new PD and I can tell you that I haven't been able to get on their E-edition all morning. Success!
August 5, 201311 yr Well, day one of the new PD and I can tell you that I haven't been able to get on their E-edition all morning. Success! If it's the same people that run the Cleveland.com site I'm not surprised. That site looked and felt outdated 10 years ago. It's clunky and rarely works as it's supposed to!
August 5, 201311 yr Well, day one of the new PD and I can tell you that I haven't been able to get on their E-edition all morning. Success! Reports on Facebook are that cleveland.com's server crashed. How's that for a chicken-sh!t outfit? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 5, 201311 yr Well, day one of the new PD and I can tell you that I haven't been able to get on their E-edition all morning. Success! Reports on Facebook are that cleveland.com's server crashed. How's that for a chicken-sh!t outfit? Put them in great company with the like of UrbanOhio! HA! ;) :o :angel:
August 5, 201311 yr I didn't mean it that way. I meant that, on the first Monday in 150 years that the PD doesn't print a newspaper, their server crashes. What did Advance expect? That readers weren't going to flood cleveland.com in the absence of the print edition? That tells me how much Advance under-appreciates their editorial product. I hope all of the newspapers in the collar counties invade Cuyahoga County. They have a huge growth opportunity at their doorstep. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 5, 201311 yr I didn't mean it that way. I meant that, on the first Monday in 150 years that the PD doesn't print a newspaper, their server crashes. What did Advance expect? That readers weren't going to flood cleveland.com in the absence of the print edition? That tells me how much Advance under-appreciates their editorial product. I hope all of the newspapers in the collar counties invade Cuyahoga County. They have a huge growth opportunity at their doorstep. I know, I'm teasing!
August 5, 201311 yr I didn't mean it that way. I meant that, on the first Monday in 150 years that the PD doesn't print a newspaper, their server crashes. What did Advance expect? That readers weren't going to flood cleveland.com in the absence of the print edition? That tells me how much Advance under-appreciates their editorial product. I hope all of the newspapers in the collar counties invade Cuyahoga County. They have a huge growth opportunity at their doorstep. Agreed. I looked into getting the News Herald, but they don't deliver by me...yet. Really, it's more for my son, who likes to read the sports page when I drive him to school. I'm trying out the E-edition since the layout is the same as the paper (and has the box scores, leader rankings, etc that he likes), vs. dot bomb, which if it has those things, is so hidden I haven't been able to find it in 6 months time. That said, even if it starts working more smoothly, I'm not thrilled about having to shlep a tablet with me in the car now.
August 16, 201311 yr Embarrassing.... http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/08/15/cleveland_plain_dealer_barbara_collier_cleveland_com_s_review_of_the_cheesecake.html
August 16, 201311 yr ^But 100% accurate (except for the part of the PD being published only 3x week---its still published daily, just delivered only 4x week). I hope the PD reads it and heeds it. I just noticed this past sunday that Section B is no longer Metro-----its Sports. AND, "Metro" is no longer Metro, but "North Coast". The PD has really, really fallen hard. Is there a new boss from a tiny small town or something? Moving "Sports" in front of everything else isn't based on 'tough financial times--rather its a (bad) editorial decision and really makes us looks like a very unsophisticated city.
August 16, 201311 yr ^But 100% accurate (except for the part of the PD being published only 3x week---its still published daily, just delivered only 4x week). I hope the PD reads it and heeds it. I just noticed this past sunday that Section B is no longer Metro-----its Sports. AND, "Metro" is no longer Metro, but "North Coast". The PD has really, really fallen hard. Is there a new boss from a tiny small town or something? Moving "Sports" in front of everything else isn't based on 'tough financial times--rather its a (bad) editorial decision and really makes us looks like a very unsophisticated city. North Coast is not the Metro section. NC is the C section on Sundays only. Its basically Travel, Health, Fashion, Religion and the old PDQ and Inside & Out sections folded into one. The Metro section has been folded into the A section. Many other papers have done the same thing, putting the metro, national, business and world news sections in one. Its Sports is the B section, since like the A section, it is printed everyday. I don't see the big deal in the Babs Collier story. Its obvious Slate has no idea that she doesn't write for the PD and they clearly don't get the point of her columns. They aren't supposed to be reviews. The point is to focus on menu items and inform readers of restaurants in suburban communities and what diners should expect if they go there. She's written on everything from Hyde Park to Zoup to Melting Pot to Moxie to Potbelly. It intends to inform a casual diner, not to cater to a serious foodie. The PD handles that department as do people like Elaine Cicora, Laura Taxel, John Long and Doug Trattner in the various other publications in town. I'm sure the folks at Slate do not even know what the Sun Newspapers are.
August 16, 201311 yr Plain Dealer moving its offices out of its building at 1801 Superior -- but to where? Yet the PD-affiliated Northeast Ohio Media Group (ie: Sun Newspapers and cleveland.com) will move into 1801 Superior. Very strange.... http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/221448/plain-dealer-will-move-its-newsroom/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 19, 201311 yr The PD is a joke. I'm not a fan for various reasons (taking the "Cleveland" out of their name, garbage website, bad news coverage, horrendous political coverage, and yes, they are biased. Worked for a GOP campaign once, saw it firsthand). I wish some of the other regional newspapers would step into this market and compete more head to head with them. If I could get The News Herald today, I would. I'm just outside of their readership area in Collinwood. But I wish The News Herald would even just move into a piece of Cleveland proper. They'd kick the PD's ass. The Akron Beacon Journal is now doing home delivery to Cuyahoga County's western suburbs in the wake of the PD's decision, so I BEG somebody, ANYBODY to move in and give this major market some decent freaking news!
August 19, 201311 yr My dad and I were trying to figure out the Plain Dealer e-version all weekend. It is inconceivable something this poorly developed could be released, and is overall a huge shame for the city and region.
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