April 9, 20205 yr Jarboe is a good reporter. She could find work in another city in a heartbeat. The slow bleed will continue until there is no money left to extract. The last step is shutting down the print side completely and selling the facility in Brooklyn. They have no interest in improving the product, as the goal isn't to turn around the company.
April 9, 20205 yr On 4/7/2020 at 12:17 PM, skiwest said: The Plain Dealer is circling the drain. Is there any evidence that cleveland.com is profitable? Or is the whole thing just a delaying action? Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 9, 20205 yr Not quite the same, but I wonder if Ideastream could handle/afford the lift of supporting a large newsroom a la Gothamist and WNYC. I would really hate to lose these reporters, photographers and editors to other cities.
April 9, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, KJP said: Im very sorry to see that @mjarboe won't be covering Cleveland real estate anymore. She's the best real estate reporter in Ohio. Crain's?
April 9, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: Im very sorry to see that @mjarboe won't be covering Cleveland real estate anymore. She's the best real estate reporter in Ohio. I left Sun (an Advance publication) because they didn't want Sun to cover Cleveland either. I was their only remaining City of Cleveland beat reporter. They first didn't want me to cover downtown (the only growing part of Cleveland a decade ago). The reason is that they considered that I was competing with the PD (which Sun did for decades in the suburbs). So I retreated to covering the "suburban" parts of Cleveland like West Park, Jefferson, Westown and Old Brooklyn. By 2013, Advance didn't want me covering any part of Cleveland. They offered to have me cover Lakewood but only as a single freelance (less-than part-time) reporter. We used to cover Lakewood city, schools and sports with three reporters (two full-time and one part-time)! I told them there was no way a freelancer could cover Lakewood by himself. So that's when I decided it was time to leave the newspaper business. That's also when I started dabbling with NEOtrans, writing a few articles each year. Now I write a dozen or more articles a month. I don't make much money at it, but I do enjoy scooping what's left of local media. More info from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/04/08/business/ap-us-newspaper-staffing-cleveland.html
April 9, 20205 yr Cleveland Scene laid into them: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/04/09/plain-dealer-editor-tim-warsinskey-is-a-liar-and-advance-publications-doesnt-give-a-sh*t-about-cleveland?media=AMP+HTML
April 10, 20205 yr 57 minutes ago, JB said: Cleveland Scene laid into them: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/04/09/plain-dealer-editor-tim-warsinskey-is-a-liar-and-advance-publications-doesnt-give-a-sh*t-about-cleveland?media=AMP+HTML Allard’s writing is garbage most of the time, but this was a pretty good one
April 10, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Mendo said: Maybe it's time Scripps brings back the Cleveland Press brand for another go. Would they though? Maybe as an online brand. I think that would work
April 10, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said: Would they though? Maybe as an online brand. I think that would work It would have to be an online brand. The real issue, that no one wants to mention, is the cost of paper, ink, printing, transportation, and distribution......to put out a product that is no longer current. The only advantage print newspapers have is tradition, and that's going away as older people convert or pass on.
April 10, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, E Rocc said: It would have to be an online brand. The real issue, that no one wants to mention, is the cost of paper, ink, printing, transportation, and distribution......to put out a product that is no longer current. The only advantage print newspapers have is tradition, and that's going away as older people convert or pass on. I know I'm an outlier but 30 yo here, and I love getting a physical paper and magazines. It just ain't the same to read news online. But again, I'm in the minority ?.
April 10, 20205 yr the peedee situation has been getting plenty of coverage in ny and old guard media people are fretting about the implications. its not surprising this is happening, only that it took this long maybe, but its still sad to see: Cleveland Plain Dealer takes aim at union by moving print reporters to suburbs By Keith J. Kelly April 9, 2020 | 3:31pm A famous headline from the Cleveland Plain Dealer in 2013 after rescue of three kidnapped women. Getty Images After hacking jobs, the Cleveland Plain Dealer has sidelined its remaining print reporters. The paper, founded in 1842, cut 22 editorial jobs last week, reducing its newsroom to only 14 reporters. Now, survivors say they are being yanked off their beats covering the city proper — while their jobs on the paper have been handed over to the younger, non-union workers on the digital operation, Cleveland.com. more: https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/cleveland-plain-dealer-newspaper-diverts-14-city-reporters-to-outlying-counties-in-blow-to-union/
April 10, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, GISguy said: I know I'm an outlier but 30 yo here, and I love getting a physical paper and magazines. It just ain't the same to read news online. But again, I'm in the minority ?. just curious how far you go with that -- do you like vinyl over digital music too? dvd's vs streaming? the old sunday papers aside, which i always used to like, typically i much prefer reading the news online vs a newspaper, but for old school stuff i prefer reading a real book over an ebook. definitely streaming and digital over physical media too. i dont miss physical albums or dvds or the like in the slightest.
April 10, 20205 yr 24 minutes ago, mrnyc said: just curious how far you go with that -- do you like vinyl over digital music too? dvd's vs streaming? the old sunday papers aside, which i always used to like, typically i much prefer reading the news online vs a newspaper, but for old school stuff i prefer reading a real book over an ebook. definitely streaming and digital over physical media too. i dont miss physical albums or dvds or the like in the slightest. I love the convenience of digital music, but do miss reading the liner notes, seeing the photos, etc inside the albums.
April 10, 20205 yr The print media are slowly but surely driving me away with their current reportorial style. Especially since the virus coverage began, I long for the old style: 1) a headline that accurately summarized the article's point, 2) a lead paragraph, and 3) who, what, when, and where - easy on the why. The current style of wild headlines, rambling and imprecise prose, pitiful Pearl anecdotes, barely relevant quotes from unknown 'experts', politicization of everything, and lack of raw data drives me crazy. My wife won't sit in the same room if I'm reading the papers. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 10, 20205 yr Cleveland.com is not even entertaining anymore since they took the comment section away. The crazies that commented were something else. When I checked it out I always checked at least a few of the comment sections for a laugh at the insanity-as crazy as the comments on Fox news-or maybe not that crazy. I bet some of those people stroked out when they could not post their inane comments anymore.
April 10, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, mrnyc said: just curious how far you go with that -- do you like vinyl over digital music too? dvd's vs streaming? the old sunday papers aside, which i always used to like, typically i much prefer reading the news online vs a newspaper, but for old school stuff i prefer reading a real book over an ebook. definitely streaming and digital over physical media too. i dont miss physical albums or dvds or the like in the slightest. You really can't beat the convenience of online music streaming but I'm also a fan of buying merch and things like vinyl because as @Cleburger said, it's kind of an extension of a band. In that same vein, once Advance fired PD's layout/designing staff the paper lost a lot of it's character and reflection of what made it ours, reporters getting fired will further destroy what's unique to Cleveland. My gf's dad made a good point (surmising the physical paper won't last much longer), saying it'll be weird getting most of our news from the coasts. Ironically(?) I almost dumped my Sunday NYT for Sunday PD then they dropped the NYT wire (this was two plus years ago...), now with staff getting fired I have no reason to support Advance Media (with apologies to the talented reporters left at cle.com/PD). I wish there were another way to support them and not Advance.
April 10, 20205 yr Here's hoping that Michelle sticks around. https://talkingbiznews.com/they-talk-biz-news/plain-dealer-lays-off-real-estate-reporter/
April 10, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Toddguy said: Cleveland.com is not even entertaining anymore since they took the comment section away. The crazies that commented were something else. When I checked it out I always checked at least a few of the comment sections for a laugh at the insanity-as crazy as the comments on Fox news-or maybe not that crazy. I bet some of those people stroked out when they could not post their inane comments anymore. I assume that was another cost-cutting move, despite Quinn's spin.
April 10, 20205 yr Twitter is a sad place today, lots of folks signing off from the PD, but I love this attitude!
April 11, 20205 yr Ginger Christ out as well. Seems like she quit, but may have also been a lay-off. https://mobile.twitter.com/GChristCLE/status/1248718712917630979 <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today is my last day at <a href="https://twitter.com/ThePlainDealer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ThePlainDealer</a>, a paper I grew up reading. To all of the people who trusted me to tell your stories over the past four years, thank you. I owe these incredible years to you, and I hope to find ways to still tell your stories in Northeast Ohio. ✊?</p>— Ginger Christ (@GChristCLE) <a href="https://twitter.com/GChristCLE/status/1248718712917630979?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 11, 20205 yr Ten of the remaining 14 Guild members banned together and asked to be laid off. The remaining reporters are John Caniglia, Susan Glaser, Steven Litt, and Terry Pluto. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/plain-dealer-announces-ten-staff-members-volunteer-to-be-laid-off/95-298de67f-ca54-430f-871f-4febe3ca9668
April 11, 20205 yr So sad. The remaining four are still quality journalists too. They all deserve better. I never knew about this...it would be the perfect model. I doubt it would happen, but at the same time Advance doesn’t seem to have any interest in operating a printed paper. Edited April 11, 20205 yr by Enginerd
April 13, 20205 yr Quinn passing the hat: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/04/please-subscribe-to-clevelandcom-letter-from-the-editor.html Edited April 13, 20205 yr by skiwest
April 13, 20205 yr 30 minutes ago, skiwest said: Quinn passing the hat: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/04/please-subscribe-to-clevelandcom-letter-from-the-editor.html My head almost exploded when I read that email. They gut the entire newsroom that actually gets subscription money, and then turn around and ask for subscription money??!! ??
April 13, 20205 yr and the plain dealer is far from the only one -- the list is long and getting longer: CORONAVIRUS|11,133 views|Apr 6, 2020 Tracker: Media Layoffs, Furloughs And Pay Cuts Due To Coronavirus Noah Kirsch Forbes Staff https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahkirsch/2020/04/06/tracker-media-layoffs-furloughs-and-pay-cuts/#3d4a61452f0a
April 17, 20205 yr On 4/13/2020 at 10:56 AM, Enginerd said: My head almost exploded when I read that email. They gut the entire newsroom that actually gets subscription money, and then turn around and ask for subscription money??!! ?? He did publish his email. Drop him a letter to the editor and let him know how you feel about these moves: [email protected]
April 24, 20205 yr Why is this on cleveland.com? Is it news? https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/04/odell-beckham-jr-and-girlfriend-lauren-wood-having-fun-in-quarantine.html
April 24, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, newyorker said: Why is this on cleveland.com? Is it news? https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/04/odell-beckham-jr-and-girlfriend-lauren-wood-having-fun-in-quarantine.html Its not news, but its cleveland.com "news".
April 30, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, YABO713 said: Honestly.... his pettiness detracts from his writing And it's not a Cleveland thing. It's an everywhere thing. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 1, 20205 yr Covid-19 has imperiled the future of Cleveland and its downtown, and we need visionaries now who can lead discussions on a new tomorrow Cle.com sounding more and more like a tabloid. And they sent this opinion piece as a “breaking news” alert no less. https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2020/05/the-future-of-cleveland-after-corona-could-rest-on-consolidations-more-out-of-the-box-thinking.html
May 1, 20205 yr I ended up deleting their app because of their nonsensical "breaking news" alerts. Never made any sense as to why they were breaking news, and yet when there was something serious going on, they were nowhere to be found. Totally useless.
May 4, 20205 yr Was watching the Ken Burns/PBS Vietnam documentary this weekend and was reminded again of the PD’s bygone era. The episode I was watching featured the front page of the Plain Dealer when it broke photos of the My Lai massacre. Depressing for a number of reasons ? Fantastic documentary though.
May 4, 20205 yr Saw this was coming to Cleveland https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/05/04/american-city-business-journals-to-launch.html?ana=e_ae_set1&j=90506796&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWVdVeFptRXpZelEwTWpJdyIsInQiOiJUYXNwa1wvMGc4UEZpTXJWR2RxdWhcL3pmWkNmbVwvblZhemV1aDJTQTM2ZE1UMXVWSnFsc2xwTzZKeTlqa1dWVkZxdElENlJUSGFNT1dBTnU5VllkZ2NXMk9jaWdEeFN3Wkdxckx2Z0pQTkFDUzFjdUpzK0p0dFBwRkdWb0JreGFOdCJ9 Is Crain's struggling? It seems odd another niche publisher would want to enter the market at this time if there is an established brand there already, especially given the state of local news media.
May 4, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Saw this was coming to Cleveland https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/05/04/american-city-business-journals-to-launch.html?ana=e_ae_set1&j=90506796&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWVdVeFptRXpZelEwTWpJdyIsInQiOiJUYXNwa1wvMGc4UEZpTXJWR2RxdWhcL3pmWkNmbVwvblZhemV1aDJTQTM2ZE1UMXVWSnFsc2xwTzZKeTlqa1dWVkZxdElENlJUSGFNT1dBTnU5VllkZ2NXMk9jaWdEeFN3Wkdxckx2Z0pQTkFDUzFjdUpzK0p0dFBwRkdWb0JreGFOdCJ9 Is Crain's struggling? It seems odd another niche publisher would want to enter the market at this time if there is an established brand there already, especially given the state of local news media. That is strange, I think crain's is quite good, and most offices around town seem to have a subscription. Given the decline of the plain dealer, the more local coverage the better.
May 4, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, mu2010 said: That is strange, I think crain's is quite good, and most offices around town seem to have a subscription. Given the decline of the plain dealer, the more local coverage the better. Not sure the reasoning...but it is an Advance company ?
May 4, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Enginerd said: Not sure the reasoning...but it is an Advance company ? They state the reasoning in the article: "ACBJ drives more online traffic from Northeast Ohio than any other region where it does not currently have a presence." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 4, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: They state the reasoning in the article: "ACBJ drives more online traffic from Northeast Ohio than any other region where it does not currently have a presence."
May 5, 20205 yr I like Crain's but, when I first saw this news, I thought it was good---competition is good. Then I saw that it was by Shi$$y Advance, the Staten Island owner of cleveland.com & the PD---the company that has royally screwed the plain dealer continuously---its last move was telling the remain 10 or so reporters they're not allowed to cover cleveland or cuyahoga county. instead of this business paper they could take them same resources and undo some of the damage done to the PD. but instead they think they steal market share from crain's and make more money. They'll probably use the same reporters they already have.
May 6, 20205 yr It does not get any better than this! Big win for Crains especially with the new business publication getting ready to launched (owned by American Business Journal).
May 6, 20205 yr 31 minutes ago, GISguy said: Looks like @mjarboe is joining Crains. Awesome news: I've been debating about finally subscribing to Crain's. They just convinced me to pull the trigger.
May 6, 20205 yr 28 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I've been debating about finally subscribing to Crain's. They just convinced me to pull the trigger. I got my first year with a killer intro offer but honestly, I just renewed and ~$50ish for a full year really isn't that bad considering what you get on nearly a weekly basis. It'll be nice to have the tandem of Michelle and Stan B., instead of having Stan cover 3ish stories for each issue. Edited May 6, 20205 yr by GISguy
May 6, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, GISguy said: I got my first year with a killer intro offer but honestly, I just renewed and ~$50ish for a full year really isn't that bad considering what you get on nearly a weekly basis. It'll be nice to have the tandem of Michelle and Stan B., instead of having Stan cover 3ish stories for each issue. Just checked. $79 for the year on the website. Or 5 weeks for $5? That would be a better deal to keep renewing every 5 weeks.
May 6, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Cleburger said: Just checked. $79 for the year on the website. Or 5 weeks for $5? That would be a better deal to keep renewing every 5 weeks. Whoa, does that include their lists? Sounds like it. I get print and digital for $48 and that wasn't an intro offer. Let me see what I can dig up. Edit: just checked, you're correct....sorry for doubting (I know their lists cost extra...) ...follow them on LinkedIn and twitter/fb to see when they have their deals. Edited May 6, 20205 yr by GISguy
May 9, 20205 yr cleveland.com has won it's well earned race to the bottom. Just clicked on it, and under "news" this is a top story. A dumb opinion piece about walkers in strongsville (are there any?) and the "parade of broken bones" on the horizon since the sidewalks have been made ADA accessible. Can't make this stuff up. "Lunn and Pearl roads is almost as steep as a ski jump." https://www.cleveland.com/letters/2020/05/strongsville-curb-modifications-are-a-safety-hazard.html Edited May 9, 20205 yr by metrocity
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