April 26, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, Pugu said: Why did Illinois lose people? It's strange for any state to lose people, but I can kindof see WV and MS, but would not have expected IL to lose people. I've read that it is the tax situation as well as evaporating economic opportunities for those in the lower economic brackets.
April 26, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: I've read that it is the tax situation as well as evaporating economic opportunities for those in the lower economic brackets. Thanks. But "evaporating economic opportunities for those in the lower economic brackets" is probably an issue everywhere, no?
April 26, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Pugu said: Thanks. But "evaporating economic opportunities for those in the lower economic brackets" is probably an issue everywhere, no? What differentiates Illinois and all the other states and regions that are in decline is that that those economic conditions are a big enough issue to cause more out migration than in migration, leading to population decline. It sure could be an issue everywhere, but the population isn't declining everywhere now is it? The Census says no.
April 26, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Pugu said: Thanks. But "evaporating economic opportunities for those in the lower economic brackets" is probably an issue everywhere, no? It's a combination of things. Chicago has seen a reverse great migration of black residents to southern metros like Atlanta. The burbs are seeing large numbers retiring to warm weather locales. And southern Illinois is seeing similar economic issues as places like West Virginia.
April 27, 20214 yr Great graphic by NPR on how the new electoral map would have affected the 2020 election if in place at at that time. Biden still would have won, but by three less electoral votes: https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/983082132/census-to-release-1st-results-that-shift-electoral-college-house-seats
April 27, 20214 yr Here's a comparison of 2020 data to 2019 estimates for each state. NY and NJ are the biggest misses. Keep in mind since it's comparing estimates to actual counts, the percentage difference from 2019 to 2020 reflects a combination of actual population change and misestimate.
April 27, 20214 yr The count was actually stopped by Trump before it was complete. So we have incomplete numbers. Edited April 27, 20214 yr by unusualfire
April 27, 20214 yr ^They were made "complete" by extrapolation, I believe. Though undercounting would explain why 2010 to 2020 represented the slowest growth since the 30's--because the overall number is far smaller than it actually is!
April 27, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, DEPACincy said: It's a combination of things. Chicago has seen a reverse great migration of black residents to southern metros like Atlanta. The burbs are seeing large numbers retiring to warm weather locales. And southern Illinois is seeing similar economic issues as places like West Virginia. This Census and the next are likely to be highly affected by the baby boomers, the oldest of whom turned 64 in 2010 and are all moving into retirement (and physically to southern states).
May 5, 20214 yr We've lost NINE Congressional seats since 1970. The 20's were good--and hopefully will be again. Per the 1930 Census, we gained two seats. Below are the number of seats lost (or gained per each Census: Interactive tool enables users to view more than 10 decades of apportionment and population data: https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/historical-apportionment-data-map.html
May 6, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, Pugu said: The 20's were good--and hopefully will be again. Per the 1930 Census, we gained two seats. The 1930 census was the last time the total number of seats for apportionment changed. Congress failed to reapportion in 1920, which is why Ohio's seat count stayed the same for 20 years and then jumped up by 2. To make things work again, Congress passed The Reapportionment Act of 1929, which fixed the House at 435 seats. It also did not have any requirements for how the States could draw their districts which made gerrymandering easier, though it also allows for multi-winner districts.
May 12, 20214 yr https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-up-and-moved-during-the-pandemic-heres-where-they-went-11620734566?mod=trending_now_news_pos1 This article is highly confusing to me. It appears to show a net out migration from virtually every urban county in the country, including booming counties like Fulton and DeKalb, GA (Atlanta); Davidson, TN (Nashville); Franklin, OH; Marion, IN (Indy); and Travis, TX (Austin). Somebody wanna explain this to me?
May 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, LlamaLawyer said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-up-and-moved-during-the-pandemic-heres-where-they-went-11620734566?mod=trending_now_news_pos1 This article is highly confusing to me. It appears to show a net out migration from virtually every urban county in the country, including booming counties like Fulton and DeKalb, GA (Atlanta); Davidson, TN (Nashville); Franklin, OH; Marion, IN (Indy); and Travis, TX (Austin). Somebody wanna explain this to me? Behind a paywall, so I have no idea what this is based on. That said, safe bet it's pretty wrong.
May 12, 20214 yr naturally, for nys cuomo and tish and the gang are shocked and looking to sue: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-state-census-cuomo-congressional-district-lawsuit-20210427-tmmau4xlsved5h3jkpwrp4z6aq-story.html
May 12, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, mrnyc said: naturally, for nys cuomo and tish and the gang are shocked and looking to sue: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-state-census-cuomo-congressional-district-lawsuit-20210427-tmmau4xlsved5h3jkpwrp4z6aq-story.html Didn't Cincinnati do this after the 2000 Census? The margin there, however, was significantly larger than 89 votes. We don't know whether counting accuracy was all that good last year, what with the Trump administration messing with it and the pandemic in place, so New York should probably at least question it with it being that close.
May 12, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, jonoh81 said: Didn't Cincinnati do this after the 2000 Census? The margin there, however, was significantly larger than 89 votes. We don't know whether counting accuracy was all that good last year, what with the Trump administration messing with it and the pandemic in place, so New York should probably at least question it with it being that close. oh i dont blame them. its crazy. it could be true tho. who knows?
May 12, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-up-and-moved-during-the-pandemic-heres-where-they-went-11620734566?mod=trending_now_news_pos1 This article is highly confusing to me. It appears to show a net out migration from virtually every urban county in the country, including booming counties like Fulton and DeKalb, GA (Atlanta); Davidson, TN (Nashville); Franklin, OH; Marion, IN (Indy); and Travis, TX (Austin). Somebody wanna explain this to me? Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Just kidding, kind of. The USPS data is notorious for being incomplete. I wouldn't put too much stock into it. I think there has also been a lot of other data analysis showing that a lot of students and young people relocated from big cities to parents/family/friends houses, primarily in the burbs. And that older folks with vacation homes relocated there while they could work from home. That will obviously reverse itself as things go back to normal. Anecdotally, I have multiple friends who left Manhattan, Philly, and Boston to stay with parents or other family members while they were quarantining/working remotely. But most of them have moved back to the city now so they'll show up in the data as moving into the city this year. My in-laws also relocated from their suburban DC home to their vacation home, but they intend to go back to their suburban home when they have to return to the office.
June 4, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 4, 20214 yr Man I'm tired of losing people. We have all these great neighborhood, amenities, attractions. We really really need to work on adult jobs that pay real money. I'm looking at you "leadership."
June 4, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, cadmen said: Man I'm tired of losing people. We have all these great neighborhood, amenities, attractions. We really really need to work on adult jobs that pay real money. I'm looking at you "leadership." Let's just wait and see when real numbers come out. We know the 2020 estimates are wrong by about 100,000 people for Ohio. We don't know where those people will fall. Don't forget that the 2010 census numbers are from April 2010, and the region hadn't realized the full effects of the mortgage crisis by that point. So even if there is a negative change from 2010 to 2020 (which there probably will be), that doesn't rule out the possibility that the city has grown over the last five or so years.
June 4, 20214 yr It's also important to remember that a population loss isn't the same thing as household loss. Shrinking family sizes can outweigh new wage earners moving in, but the net result is actually a more economically stable city and more income-earners to support local stores, restaurants, etc. It's why I personally always look at number of households to really see what's going on. It speaks of a more important change than raw population in my mind.
June 4, 20214 yr I will ask the question again that was already asked, when are the numbers being released? I thought the Census Bureau had 5/27 listed on their website? Anyway, thanks in advance.
June 4, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, OhioFinest said: I will ask the question again that was already asked, when are the numbers being released? I thought the Census Bureau had 5/27 listed on their website? Anyway, thanks in advance. As I have understood it, August/September. https://2020census.gov/en/important-dates.html By August 16, 2021: States will receive the data they need to begin redistricting in August. The Census Bureau will also share this information with the public. However, the data will be in a format that requires additional handling and software to extract familiar tables. COVID-19-related delays and prioritizing the delivery of the apportionment results delayed our original redistricting data delivery plan. By September 30, 2021: The Census Bureau will deliver the final redistricting data toolkit to all states and the public. This will include digital tools which provides access to an integrated software browsing tool for official recipients, as well access to the online Data Explorer tool for both official recipients and the public.
June 4, 20214 yr I do agree with looking more at household numbers as a true measure of the region vs population numbers. Lakewood is a perfect example. Shrinking population but a VERY hot market right now
June 30, 20213 yr Anyone have any theories why Ohio had a 4 percent bump in growth in the 90's? It doesn't fit the trend historically being around 2 percent. I do remember Cleveland-Akron "Combined" MSA's held steady that decade. Edited June 30, 20213 yr by Mildtraumatic
June 30, 20213 yr The 90s were the peak of when the Millennials were born, but before any of them left the state for college or as young adults.
June 30, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Mildtraumatic said: Anyone have any theories why Ohio had a 4 percent bump in growth in the 90's? It doesn't fit the trend historically being around 2 percent. I do remember Cleveland-Akron "Combined" MSA's held steady that decade. Most places around the country grew faster in the 90s. Michigan, Indiana, and Kentucky all had higher growth rates than previous or subsequent decades too.
June 30, 20213 yr 3 hours ago, GCrites80s said: Having a kid wasn't instant poverty/debt then. The minimum wage wasn't as minimum then, and there were also a lot more teenage pregnancies than now. Birthrates are dropping all over the world, and below replacement in most of the industrial world, even China is trying to increase births.
June 30, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, Mildtraumatic said: Anyone have any theories why Ohio had a 4 percent bump in growth in the 90's? It doesn't fit the trend historically being around 2 percent. I do remember Cleveland-Akron "Combined" MSA's held steady that decade. late 80s and early/mid 90s was the peak period where the millenials were being born. Millenials are the largest generation so you have a ton of baby births during that period. Even though those parents having these babies were only having 2-3, there were so many of these boomers that it naturally led to a lot of kids being born.
June 30, 20213 yr You would think the baby boomers having babies would create a mini-boom. My guess the baby boomers had their offspring roughly between 1966 to 85. That would mostly be generation X. My sister which I consider to be a millennial was born in late November 1981 fits the criteria of going to an out of state college and remaining there after school, Chicago. She says she know lots of people originally from Cleveland living in Chicago compared to other areas of the state of Ohio.
June 30, 20213 yr Newark could be its own MSA.. The question is does 20 percent of Newark commute to work in Columbus? I'm Sure Licking county as a whole commutes more to Franklin county than it does to Newark. If Newark becomes a MSA they will take in all of Licking county as its MSA.
June 30, 20213 yr 45 minutes ago, Mildtraumatic said: You would think the baby boomers having babies would create a mini-boom. My guess the baby boomers had their offspring roughly between 1966 to 85. That would mostly be generation X. My sister which I consider to be a millennial was born in late November 1981 fits the criteria of going to an out of state college and remaining there after school, Chicago. She says she know lots of people originally from Cleveland living in Chicago compared to other areas of the state of Ohio. Early boomer kids were certainly part of gen x. Children in the late 60s and 70s were gen xers but the mid to late baby boomers born in the late 50s and 60s were certainly having millennials
July 1, 20213 yr Less than Cleveland takes up the rear with Summit county. Newark MSA.. Edited July 1, 20213 yr by Mildtraumatic
July 2, 20213 yr Everyone's spot-on with the Millenial baby boom. I'd also suggest that the 90s have the benefit of improved healthcare allowing older folks to live longer. I remember when I was a kid, someone who was 65 was definitely "old," and it wasn't uncommon for people to die in their 60s. Now, of course, that seems young (especially as I am in my 40s), and it feels like people dying in their 70s or 80s is much more typical. I think we saw some real medical leaps that people were able to reap the benefits of.
July 2, 20213 yr On 6/30/2021 at 6:54 PM, Mildtraumatic said: Newark could be its own MSA.. The question is does 20 percent of Newark commute to work in Columbus? I'm Sure Licking county as a whole commutes more to Franklin county than it does to Newark. If Newark becomes a MSA they will take in all of Licking county as its MSA. No I don't think so. We have gone over this before. If anything, as both Newark/Licking County and Columbus grow, Licking County and Newark will be drawn even further into the Cbus orbit.
August 12, 20213 yr NOTE- Columbus's population here is incorrect, that's only the Franklin County Portion. A corrected chart is posted on the next page Edited August 12, 20213 yr by thomasbw NOTE- Columbus's population here is incorrect, that's only the Franklin County Portion. A corrected chart is posted on the next page
August 12, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, thomasbw said: Huge disappointment for Cbus. I wonder where we rate now? Certainly out of the top 15. Did Indy pass us? SMH Edited August 12, 20213 yr by Toddguy
August 12, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, thomasbw said: During their presentation, Columbus was listed as one of the 14 cities that gained more than 100,000 people. So, this seems wrong.
August 12, 20213 yr 4 minutes ago, Toddguy said: Huge disappointment for Cbus. I wonder where we rate now? Certainly out of the top 15. Did Indy pass us? SMH This isn't right. They had us as one of the 14 cities gaining at least 100,000 people during the presentation.
August 12, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, TH3BUDDHA said: This isn't right. They had us as one of the 14 cities gaining at least 100,000 people during the presentation. It does not coincide with the graphic showing that we were one of those cities. There just has to be some wtf stuff going on. smh. Well what can we expect-this is the government presenting this crap. I had a bad feeling... So where tf are all these extra people in Ohio? *Congrats to Cincinnati
August 12, 20213 yr 8 minutes ago, Toddguy said: Huge disappointment. Those look like they may be the 2020 estimates, not actuals.
August 12, 20213 yr Here's where the data's from- https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/01-Redistricting_File--PL_94-171/
August 12, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, LlamaLawyer said: Those look like they may be the 2020 estimates, not actuals. We will see. If we are above 900,000 then thomasbw needs his ass beaten.
August 12, 20213 yr Just now, Toddguy said: We will see. If we are above 900,000 then thomasbw needs his ass beaten. That may be a bit extreme.
August 12, 20213 yr Just now, TH3BUDDHA said: That may be a bit extreme. Of for f*cks sake, it was HUMOR! lol JHC! (that is humor too!) it ain't THAT serious!
August 12, 20213 yr 2 minutes ago, thomasbw said: Here's where the data's from- https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/01-Redistricting_File--PL_94-171/ Check that and cross the some of the top ten cities listed today with what is listed there-if they coincide(NYC, etc)then we know it is correct. If not, then we know it may be different. *my comment about your possible impending assbeating was a joke, as I think most would realize. Just clarifying lol.
August 12, 20213 yr I'm thinking the Columbus number might be only the part within Franklin County and that's the cause of the discrepancies
August 12, 20213 yr Just now, thomasbw said: I'm thinking the Columbus number might be only the part within Franklin County and that's the cause of the discrepancies Check some of the other top ten cities please. Thanks. We will find out. If that is the case, how many were already in Cbus outside the county?
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