March 24, 20223 yr 32 minutes ago, thomasbw said: US Census Bureau Ohio Counties Population Change Estimates 2020-2021 https://t.co/upC45ggnSm I think they really don't know what they are doing at this point and it is very hard to figure out what changes have happened given how we have been up and down with this Covid thing, and they were significantly off especially in urban areas because they admittedly undercounted blacks and hispanics. Taken with a huge amount of salt here. Since Trump is out, can we PLEASE get some immigrants here? How about Ukrainians for instance to Cleveland-they already have established slavic communities. Others to other Ohio cities. Also if there are a ton of jobs in Central Ohio that are not being filled, and a flatlined population(hard to believe), then can we get some immigrants who would work those jobs and some housing so they have a place to live? Damn Ohio just seems to love shooting itself in the foot on so many things. Edited March 24, 20223 yr by Toddguy
March 25, 20223 yr On 3/24/2022 at 9:03 AM, Htsguy said: Apparently 2021 was the slowest year of US population growth on record-.01%. There were huge losses in New York, Chicago, San Francisco and LA. Combined about a 700,000 loss. Any growth was in the south with Atlanta being a biggy. Franklin did not lose population last year and the supposed out migration from those major urban centers was likely vastly overblown if it truly happened at all, just as it was all of the past decade. I'll go ahead and predict pretty large adjustments when the 2022 estimate comes out that wipes out that Franklin County loss, and possibly Hamilton's too. You don't go from the fastest-growing decade ever numerically immediately to losses the next. It would take some kind of disaster even bigger than Covid locally- such as a Katrina-New Orleans kind of thing. It's just bad data at this point. Edited March 25, 20223 yr by jonoh81
March 25, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, jonoh81 said: Franklin did not lose population last year and the supposed out migration from those major urban centers was likely vastly overblown if it truly happened at all, just as it was all of the past decade. I'll go ahead and predict pretty large adjustments when the 2022 estimate comes out that wipes out that Franklin County loss, and possibly Hamilton's too. You don't go from the fastest-growing decade ever numerically immediately to losses the next. It would take some kind of disaster even bigger than Covid locally- such as a Katrina-New Orleans kind of thing. It's just bad data at this point. Only other thing that I think could make it possible is many college students not living on campus during that time d/t covid. I’m still very skeptical of this data though.
March 26, 20223 yr 15 hours ago, amped91 said: Only other thing that I think could make it possible is many college students not living on campus during that time d/t covid. I’m still very skeptical of this data though. Just to bolster that point a little more, I found a bit more data in the Dispatch. Apparently, our international migration was pretty decent and our births far outnumbered our deaths during that time. The point about college students is also raised. “That wasn't the case in Franklin County, where births (17,346) outnumbered deaths (12,442). Columbus continues to be a magnet for international in-migration despite the problems COVID caused, Mikos said. Franklin County added 2,166 international residents in the past year while Cuyahoga, Hamilton, Montgomery, Summit, Lucas, Stark and Mahoning combined added 2,804 combined. Edward "Ned" Hill, an economics professor at Ohio State University, said he wasn't surprised that Franklin County slipped a little in population because some college students who were counted as residents before COVID didn't come back to live at or around universities, but instead used remote learning during that census estimate period.” https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/25/ohio-counties-census-estimates-franklin-county-population-drops/7153506001/ Basically, I wouldn’t try to draw any conclusions one way or the other from these estimates.
March 26, 20223 yr I do not believe Franklin lost. I do not believe Hamilton lost. I do not believe Lake County lost. I do not believe Shelby County lost. I do not believe Holmes County grew by only 77. And I definitely do not believe Cuyahoga lost as much in FY 20-21 as in the last decade. Very skeptical of these #s overall.
March 26, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: I do not believe Franklin lost. I do not believe Hamilton lost. I do not believe Lake County lost. I do not believe Shelby County lost. I do not believe Holmes County grew by only 77. And I definitely do not believe Cuyahoga lost as much in FY 20-21 as in the last decade. Very skeptical of these #s overall. I can believe them. In my own family we had at least a dozen baby boomers retire and move to North Carolina and Florida. And that's just my family...
March 26, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I can believe them. In my own family we had at least a dozen baby boomers retire and move to North Carolina and Florida. And that's just my family... But did each of the homes they left stay vacant or did they immediately get bought up? tbc, I certainly would believe Cuyahoga lost people last year. I just cant believe the loss has increased 1000%. I also don’t believe that multiple large, rapidly growing counties completely reversed course.
March 26, 20223 yr There are areas in the city and the county where the housing market is still hot beyond belief. I would doubt that there was that much of a loss in Cuyahoga County. I’d also bet a billion dollars that 2020 will be the last year statistically that the city of Cleveland loses population. Manufacturing is now the fourth largest sector in the region, with eds and meds being the largest. When Cleveland grows, the county won’t be too far behind.
March 26, 20223 yr Housing is scorching all over the country, even in regions where population is stagnated or falling, so it's really not the best barometer of population growth. Hell, one could even argue a hot market can hurt population growth, since it inhibits immigrants and lower-mid income families from home ownership - and they make up a pretty big chunk of the country. But I do hope you're right. Edited March 26, 20223 yr by TBideon
April 1, 20223 yr https://www.nbc4i.com/news/investigates/as-columbus-housing-costs-rose-last-year-franklin-county-lost-population/ Cuyahoga county lost nearly 1 in every 100 residents in the span of a year. Ohio's six most populous counties are represented in the graphic above. Very Stable Genius
April 1, 20223 yr '50s zoning laws push for SFH only yet land is too expensive for developers to be interested in SFH in the city.
April 1, 20223 yr I'm sick of losing population. Used to be it was because of lack of jobs/opportunity but with people now quitting jobs left and right and good paying jobs going begging that doesn't seem to be the problem anymore. So what is it now? The weather? We're not cool enough? Where is the bottom here?
April 1, 20223 yr Anecdotally it seems like a lot of people are moving back in with their folks no matter their age. Or to Appalachia where the jobs mostly suck but prices have only gone up a little rather than doubled.
April 1, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.nbc4i.com/news/investigates/as-columbus-housing-costs-rose-last-year-franklin-county-lost-population/ Cuyahoga county lost nearly 1 in every 100 residents in the span of a year. Ohio's six most populous counties are represented in the graphic above. Yeah, I don’t believe it. Same with Hamilton and Franklin. Just do not buy it.
April 1, 20223 yr US Census estimates are notoriously bad in regular times. They're essentially useless at a time like this where housing changeups are happening faster than ever. I wouldn't put much stock in these numbers.
April 1, 20223 yr ^Agreed. Even with COVID, I cannot see how Franklin is losing population. They even had Metro Miami & DC losing population, which is laughable. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 1, 20223 yr Oh for God's sake, this is one year-a year unlike any we have had in 100 years. One year is an instance, it is not a pattern. Anyway the Cincy and Cbus metros did not lose, so there. lol. *sorry Cleveland.
April 1, 20223 yr 54 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: Anecdotally it seems like a lot of people are moving back in with their folks no matter their age. Or to Appalachia where the jobs mostly suck but prices have only gone up a little rather than doubled. The metro grew here in Cbus and Cincy. And with Intel moving in and hopefully Covid getting the f*ck out, I don't see how this little "trend" is going to keep up really. Could this reflect the wave of retirements and people heading to the sunbelt? University populations headed back home for now? People fleeing cities to the countryside? WFH? Housing prices too high, incomes hit, kids moving back home as you mentioned, etc. etc. etc.? It could be an number of things. We don't really know yet.
April 1, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, jmicha said: US Census estimates are notoriously bad in regular times. They're essentially useless at a time like this where housing changeups are happening faster than ever. I wouldn't put much stock in these numbers. Yup. Kinda really shoddy journalism for NBC4 to not include any disclaimer about Census estimates and to present as if a one year change is a new trend, but not surprising, tbh.
April 1, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, amped91 said: Yup. Kinda really shoddy journalism for NBC4 to not include any disclaimer about Census estimates and to present as if a one year change is a new trend, but not surprising, tbh. The 2019 estimates were way off in so many places. Living in NYC, I remember a near daily stream of "the city's growth has stagnated, it topped out around 201x and is now shrinking, bla bla bla" when the estimate was something like 8.35 million and it turned out WHOOPS, actually it's 8.8 million and there's very likely a severe undercount of certain demographics which is estimated north of 100,000. I wish the census didn't bother with its estimates. They can swing opinions one way or another for people who don't know much about them. I get that they are used by analysts and such for a variety of reasons, but if they're regularly wrong, I'm not sure what the utility is of providing them.
April 1, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.nbc4i.com/news/investigates/as-columbus-housing-costs-rose-last-year-franklin-county-lost-population/ Cuyahoga county lost nearly 1 in every 100 residents in the span of a year. Ohio's six most populous counties are represented in the graphic above. This is literally wrong for Cincinnati. We lost I think 3-4k???? not 10,000, where are they getting that number from?
April 1, 20223 yr Double checked the census data and yes they reported wrong. Cincinnati lost 4500 according to the census website, not 10,000 🤨
April 2, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, jmicha said: The 2019 estimates were way off in so many places. Living in NYC, I remember a near daily stream of "the city's growth has stagnated, it topped out around 201x and is now shrinking, bla bla bla" when the estimate was something like 8.35 million and it turned out WHOOPS, actually it's 8.8 million and there's very likely a severe undercount of certain demographics which is estimated north of 100,000. I wish the census didn't bother with its estimates. They can swing opinions one way or another for people who don't know much about them. I get that they are used by analysts and such for a variety of reasons, but if they're regularly wrong, I'm not sure what the utility is of providing them. Estimates are always retroactively adjusted every subsequent year, and in Ohio, the Census has tried over and over and over again to show the state- and urban areas- with population losses only to have numbers end up higher. I fully expect Franklin and likely Hamilton's supposed losses to be adjusted back to gains over the next couple of estimate cycles. The whole 2020 Census and Covid-era estimates have been a major clusterf***. While the Census has argued that their errors are not statistically significant for recent numbers, it's hard to imagine that being true with everything that occurred politically, socially and societally the last 2 years.
April 2, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, stashua123 said: This is literally wrong for Cincinnati. We lost I think 3-4k???? not 10,000, where are they getting that number from? It's county data. Very Stable Genius
April 2, 20223 yr I submitted a correction and it looks like they corrected it! https://www.nbc4i.com/news/investigates/as-columbus-housing-costs-rose-last-year-franklin-county-lost-population/
April 2, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, amped91 said: Yup. Kinda really shoddy journalism for NBC4 to not include any disclaimer about Census estimates and to present as if a one year change is a new trend, but not surprising, tbh. It was also shoddy of them to include housing costs along with dropping population in the headline, as if that was the factor-it suggests correlation/causation, when the "drop" could be related to other things, like COVID-19!!!! Just terrible journalism from them. I mean what was the thing that changed from early 2020 to 2021? Housing costs were already rising. Maybe it was the introduction of a pandemic the likes of we have not seen in over a century? smh.
April 3, 20223 yr On 3/26/2022 at 12:02 PM, Oldmanladyluck said: There are areas in the city and the county where the housing market is still hot beyond belief. I would doubt that there was that much of a loss in Cuyahoga County. I’d also bet a billion dollars that 2020 will be the last year statistically that the city of Cleveland loses population. Manufacturing is now the fourth largest sector in the region, with eds and meds being the largest. When Cleveland grows, the county won’t be too far behind. FWIW, the adult population grew in Cuyahoga County and probably grew in Cleveland too based on the increase in the number of occupied housing units, but couldn't be offset by the loss of families with children. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 4, 20223 yr don't know if this info was posted yet. Painesville is near the top of non-English speakers at home due to the influx of so many Mexican immigrants in the past 20+ years (surprised to see Mayfield Hts at #2). Also, P'ville is the 8th "youngest" Ohio city in terms of median age, which is obviously a reflection of the more youthful demographics of those immigrants http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
April 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said: don't know if this info was posted yet. Painesville is near the top of non-English speakers at home due to the influx of so many Mexican immigrants in the past 20+ years (surprised to see Mayfield Hts at #2). Also, P'ville is the 8th "youngest" Ohio city in terms of median age, which is obviously a reflection of the more youthful demographics of those immigrants Mayfield Heights has quite a few old Italian immigrants and a good number of immigrants from USSR. It doesn't surprise me too much.
May 19, 20223 yr Looks like Ohio was overcounted in the 2020 Census. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1099810793/census-undercount-by-state-arkansas-florida-illinois-mississippi-tennessee-texas?origin=NOTIFY
May 19, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, amped91 said: Looks like Ohio was overcounted in the 2020 Census. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1099810793/census-undercount-by-state-arkansas-florida-illinois-mississippi-tennessee-texas?origin=NOTIFY With all the back and forth, the 2020 Census and the Covid-era estimates need large asterisks, IMO. It's hard to believe any of these numbers at this point, good or bad.
May 26, 20223 yr Population change for Ohio municipalities over 50k pop. Newark joins the list this year with the largest percentage growth. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2020s-total-cities-and-towns.html
May 26, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, cbussoccer said: Population change for Ohio municipalities over 50k pop. Newark joins the list this year with the largest percentage growth. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2020s-total-cities-and-towns.html Dublin, you're up!
May 26, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, aderwent said: Dublin, you're up! Dublin hit 49,085 last year, I see virtually no way it wont join the ranks next year.
May 26, 20223 yr 35 minutes ago, DevolsDance said: Dublin hit 49,085 last year, I see virtually no way it wont join the ranks next year. Yeah I see no reason they don't hit it next year. By 2030 we could possibly see Grove City, Delaware, and Lancaster hit 50,000, too. Also, Orange Township in Delaware County will probably beat them all there.
May 26, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, aderwent said: Yeah I see no reason they don't hit it next year. By 2030 we could possibly see Grove City, Delaware, and Lancaster hit 50,000, too. Also, Orange Township in Delaware County will probably beat them all there. Well given the other post in that "other" city thread, they will have every city in Central Ohio losing...or if gaining it will be by "only" some amount. When the Intel boom really hits Newark may well be off to the races population wise, leaving in the dust some cities in "some other area" of Ohio, Yes I am being petty lol.
May 31, 20223 yr On 5/26/2022 at 7:01 PM, DevolsDance said: Dublin hit 49,085 last year, I see virtually no way it wont join the ranks next year. That's actually down from the 2020 estimate (49,373). The April 2020 estimate base was 49,359. Census in 2020 was 49,328 and census estimate in 2019 was 49,037. Population growth there has definitely slowed down (exploded in the '80s and '90s...and is now down to "merely" 18-20% growth each decade, but continues to trend down). 2022 will be one to watch - growth may have stalled out from 2019-2021 if the estimates and census were accurate. There really isn't a whole of area to add in new housing. I know along Hyland-Croy some new apartments (or condos?) went in on the land that used to be Jacquemin Farms and a small development of patio homes (or whatever the term is for mostly ranches with no basements) across the street). I think a new development is going in just south of there closer to Post Road. I think that's about it? Unless they're adding in units in the Bridge Park area. Very Stable Genius
May 31, 20223 yr On 5/26/2022 at 4:06 PM, cbussoccer said: Population change for Ohio municipalities over 50k pop. Newark joins the list this year with the largest percentage growth. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2020s-total-cities-and-towns.html I have no idea how Hamilton would have lost nearly as many residents as Dayton last year.
May 31, 20223 yr Columbus grew by 0.1%. Elyria and Lorain grew by 0.2%. Otherwise, no other Ohio cities on the list for population growth that I could find. Very Stable Genius
May 31, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: That's actually down from the 2020 estimate (49,373). The April 2020 estimate base was 49,359. Census in 2020 was 49,328 and census estimate in 2019 was 49,037. Population growth there has definitely slowed down (exploded in the '80s and '90s...and is now down to "merely" 18-20% growth each decade, but continues to trend down). 2022 will be one to watch - growth may have stalled out from 2019-2021 if the estimates and census were accurate. There really isn't a whole of area to add in new housing. I know along Hyland-Croy some new apartments (or condos?) went in on the land that used to be Jacquemin Farms and a small development of patio homes (or whatever the term is for mostly ranches with no basements) across the street). I think a new development is going in just south of there closer to Post Road. I think that's about it? Unless they're adding in units in the Bridge Park area. Bridge Park has the 87 unit Bailey senior living building, and 154 single family townhome units under construction currently. Autumn Rose Woods off Hyland-Croy has 70 single family units since these estimates. Avondale Woods off Avery has added 27 single family homes. Catty-corner from Jacquemin Farms is Hyland Glen with 102 single family homes. Coming up we have Amlin Crossing off Cosgray is supposed to be 425 single family units. Stoneridge Lane is adding 69 multifamily units. Tuller and Riverside is getting 142 multi family units. 184 multifamily townhomes are going across from the single family townhomes at Bridge Park. Dublin Center has a phase one of 292 multifamily units. Metro Place is adding 439 multi family units in two projects. I'm sure there are at least a handful more, but those alone will add almost 2,000 units to the Dublin city limits.
May 31, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: Columbus grew by 0.1%. Elyria and Lorain grew by 0.2%. Otherwise, no other Ohio cities on the list for population growth that I could find. I'm interested in what's going on with Elyria/Lorain. Perhaps it is exurban sprawl from Cuyahoga to Lorain County.
June 1, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, freefourur said: I'm interested in what's going on with Elyria/Lorain. Perhaps it is exurban sprawl from Cuyahoga to Lorain County. all i ever heard was the county did a good job counting, so maybe that reflects better accuracy there and more inaccuracy elsewhere? i dk, just a guess.
June 23, 20222 yr I didn't see this anywhere but the 2020 Urbanized Area numbers are out in clickable map form. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/40000US19234-columbus-oh-urbanized-area/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 23, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, ColDayMan said: I didn't see this anywhere but the 2020 Urbanized Area numbers are out in clickable map form. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/40000US19234-columbus-oh-urbanized-area/ Wonder what they use for the density info, according to the information on the Columbus wiki page, I know not the best source, the density was 4,114 people per sq mi, so if it is now 3,000, that is very disappointing. Edited June 23, 20222 yr by VintageLife
June 23, 20222 yr 12 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Wonder what they use for the density info, according to the information on the Columbus wiki page, I know not the best source, the density was 4,114 people per sq mi, so if it is now 3,000, that is very disappointing. In 2010 the Columbus Urbanized Area was 2,680ppsm. This is just using old boundaries with new (ACS) numbers anyway. The Bureau changed the definition of Urbanized Area, and we're still waiting on the 2020 results.
December 29, 20222 yr Urban Areas from the 2020 Census have been released. These are not apples-to-apples as they changed the definition, but here are the changes since 2010: Cincinnati: 1,686,744 (+61,917) - 752.3 sqmi (-35.4) Cleveland: 1,712,178 (-68,495) - 713.8 sqmi (-58.2) Columbus: 1,567,254 (+199,219) - 516.2 sqmi (+5.7) Densities: Cincinnati: 2,242 ppsm (+179) Cleveland: 2,399 ppsm (+92) Columbus: 3,036 ppsm (+356) Edited December 30, 20222 yr by aderwent
December 29, 20222 yr 6 hours ago, aderwent said: Urban Areas from the 2020 Census have been released. These are not apples-to-apples as they changed the definition, but here are the changes since 2010: Cincinnati: 1,686,744 (+61,917) - 752.3 sqmi (-35.4) Cleveland: 1,712,178 (-68,495) - 713.8 sqmi (-58.2) Columbus: 1,567,254 (+199,219) - 516.2 sqmi (+5.7) Densities: Cincinnati: 2,242 ppsm (+179) Cleveland: 2,399 ppsm (+92) Columbus: 3,036 ppsm (+357) Surprised Columbus is the highest density. Does terrain play a part in this or is Columbus gaining with infill. Also, over 10% percent density increase seems decent and it would be interesting to compare this to other cities over the last 10 years. Ithought Cleveland had some infill going on, so I'm suprised to see a drop. I thought the losses were more at the county level.
December 29, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Cbusflyer said: Surprised Columbus is the highest density. Does terrain play a part in this or is Columbus gaining with infill. Also, over 10% percent density increase seems decent and it would be interesting to compare this to other cities over the last 10 years. Ithought Cleveland had some infill going on, so I'm suprised to see a drop. I thought the losses were more at the county level. This is an "urbanized area" calculation. It most certainly includes most, if not all of the county.
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