October 27, 20168 yr Columbus does have vast swaths of the South, East and West sides with cheap pre-war housing (I dare say as much or more than Cincinnati) but they are mostly avoided by people making over 40k a year. Again, it's the Uncool Crescent. Old Towne East, Merion Village and Westgate are some examples of these areas seeing investment, but it's still fairly small-scale.
October 27, 20168 yr Old Towne East is a seriously impressive neighborhood. It seemed pretty stable, at least from my quick tour of the area. I'm surprised that it hasn't exploded yet, but I won't be surprised when it does. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
October 27, 20168 yr Columbus does have vast swaths of the South, East and West sides with cheap pre-war housing (I dare say as much or more than Cincinnati) but they are mostly avoided by people making over 40k a year. Again, it's the Uncool Crescent. Old Towne East, Merion Village and Westgate are some examples of these areas seeing investment, but it's still fairly small-scale. Old Towne East is a seriously impressive neighborhood. It seemed pretty stable, at least from my quick tour of the area. I'm surprised that it hasn't exploded yet, but I won't be surprised when it does. The problem with the other sides is the lack of sustainable commercial strips. Sure, there's Parsons, Sullivan, Livingston, West Broad, etc but when they start "filling in" the gaps, it'll be more desirable. Persons is the closest right now along with various corners of Oak Street. Parsons south of Livingston should be booming, really. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 27, 20168 yr Exactly, much of the Sides suffer from not enough commercial for true walkability. Residential-only neighborhoods can go on for literally miles in Columbus even in pre-war areas.
October 27, 20168 yr Nobody's moving to those counties from other rural counties (or especially the other 2Cs), except maybe Scioto to Pickaway. How do you know this? I know that there is virtually no population growth happening in at least Madison County. Probably very little in Pickaway. Not sure about the others though. Estimates have a 1-2% population increase in Madison County since the last census. Pickaway County is closer to 3-4%. Both counties have doubled their population since 1950. Licking County is also up 3-4% from 2010. Morrow County increased 10+% from 2000 to 2010. The YoY change in the outlying counties not named Delaware is probably only around 1-2K, but it's not nothing. Very Stable Genius
October 27, 20168 yr Ohio MSAs to Columbus MSA, net migrations: Akron: 518 Canton: 483 Cincinnati: 1865 Cleveland: 3380 Dayton: 770 Lima: 630 Mansfield: -293 Springfield: 93 Toledo: 451 Steubenville: -145 Youngstown: 790 (Total: 8,024) MSAs which include part of OH: Wheeling: 51 Huntington: 158 What would compel people to move from these other place to Columbus? Are they attending Ohio State? Very Stable Genius
October 27, 20168 yr Something like this is selling for $100k more than the equivalent in Cincinnati in the same sort of area: https://www.trulia.com/property/3094085606-1970-N-4th-St-Columbus-OH-43201 This one is similarly less than a mile from UC and has one fewer bedroom, but is $150k less: https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1498839/2426-Fairview-Ave-Clifton-OH-45219 This is only comparing student rentals near OSU vs. UC, but I have seen many examples in recent years where a similar house or multifamily in a similar neighborhood is selling for significantly more in Columbus. That's an unfair comparison when the OSU off campus housing is a much better neighborhood then the UC off campus housing. That house you picked for UC is in an area that little to no students would want to live.
October 27, 20168 yr ^ Fairview is a pretty nice street, especially toward the south end. I knew several people while at UC who lived on Fairview, a few of my friends rented a house there for years. I don't think you'd have any problems renting that one out every year at a profit. I know nothing about the neighborhood the other house is in though, what's the difference between that and Clifton Heights?
October 27, 20168 yr 1/3 or 1/2 of that area is college students. When I was in high school, I snuck into a "college party" on Fairview Ave. somewhere close to that listed house (I can't remember where it was). Columbus has many more big multifamily houses near OSU. Many with six or more bedrooms between the two (or more) units. Most multifamilies near UC max out at 4-5 bedrooms, with two of those "bedrooms" being in an attic. Otherwise, the rent per bedroom around UC is still comically low, with many people renting a bedroom in a shared house for $300-400.
October 27, 20168 yr Something like this is selling for $100k more than the equivalent in Cincinnati in the same sort of area: https://www.trulia.com/property/3094085606-1970-N-4th-St-Columbus-OH-43201 This one is similarly less than a mile from UC and has one fewer bedroom, but is $150k less: https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1498839/2426-Fairview-Ave-Clifton-OH-45219 This is only comparing student rentals near OSU vs. UC, but I have seen many examples in recent years where a similar house or multifamily in a similar neighborhood is selling for significantly more in Columbus. That's an unfair comparison when the OSU off campus housing is a much better neighborhood then the UC off campus housing. That house you picked for UC is in an area that little to no students would want to live. I think the major diffence is in the number of bedrooms in each property. Bedrooms=tenants=$.
October 27, 20168 yr ^Yeah, landlords in Columbus are collecting more rent than in Cincinnati, which was my original point. The price of a multifamily is always tied to the rent it is collecting or can collect.
October 27, 20168 yr Not sure if serious/ I was serious. I understand why folks from a small town would move to a bigger city for opportunities and a more interesting urban environment, but don't see the draw from Cleveland or Cincinnati to Columbus unless one is working or attending OSU or maybe state government. I know there are other companies in town like Nationwide, but the net moves weren't zero, they were positive for Columbus.
October 27, 20168 yr Let's deescalate the incoming pissing match now. Each C is a different place with population trends resulting from a lot of different factors. Thank you. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 27, 20168 yr Networking opportunities are often so strong for native Cincinnatians that there isn't much reason for them to bolt to Columbus unlike the smaller towns with weak economies.
October 31, 20168 yr A lot of natives leave Columbus since it has no rail transit. If you suggest this in places other than UO, a bunch of O-Tools swoop in and shout you down. Do you actually know this for a fact? I've never seen any surveys done on out-migration reasoning. Any links or just perception?
October 31, 20168 yr I don't know if a lack of a rail system is a reason for leaving Columbus, but the region's transit system and particularly its lack of rail was cited as the city's biggest shortcoming in a 2011 survey by the Columbus Chamber of Commerce on the state of the young professional in C-bus. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 20168 yr WHY MILLENNIALS ARE AVOIDING SMALL-TOWN AMERICA WHY YOU SHOULD CARE Because small-town America won’t survive without an infusion of fresh blood. By Beau Dure THE DAILY DOSEOCT 01 2014 “Most of the young people that go to college go away, and then they don’t come back,” observes Lee Bianchi, a retired engineer who lived in Clinton, Iowa (pop. 26,647), from 1961 to 2008. That’s long been the storyline in small-town America, which has for decades bled citizens — especially young ones — to the more glamorous metropolis. One might have thought technology would stanch the flow, at least among millennials: With Wi-Fi and telecommuting, young people could theoretically pass on overpriced real estate and ugly commutes and opt, instead, for a spacious house with a big yard and a broadband connection. MORE: http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/why-millennials-are-avoiding-small-town-america/34058 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 20168 yr ^Youngstown is a perfect example of this. When manufacturing dries up and the economy changes, people will migrate to where the jobs are. Look at why these towns developed in the first place. Most of them were factory towns that grew from there. They centered primarily around one or 2 key employers that ran the town. Look at Battle Creek MI, Hershey PA, even Hamilton, OH. People move to areas where the jobs are concentrated, in this case it is the cities. Some cities that are diversified will do well, others will grow and shrink when their industries mature and the labor is no longer in as much demand. heck, a few generations from now, Silicon Valley may be the next Youngstown if the tech industry matures past the need for their large labor force.
November 10, 20168 yr I went from living in a part of Columbus which was 60-70% Millennial to Groveport, which outside of children and teens that can't choose where they live, has almost no one under 45. It's a little alienating. I'm 37 but "feel" younger from being single, childless and having done manual labor jobs for only 3-4 years of my life if you exclude sporadic farm work. I never noticed when I was a kid that there was almost nobody 22-40 here. It was probably different now then since that was the '80s. A lot of my friends from school had parents who were in their 20s and 30s then.
November 10, 20168 yr ^Youngstown is a perfect example of this. When manufacturing dries up and the economy changes, people will migrate to where the jobs are. Look at why these towns developed in the first place. Most of them were factory towns that grew from there. They centered primarily around one or 2 key employers that ran the town. Look at Battle Creek MI, Hershey PA, even Hamilton, OH. People move to areas where the jobs are concentrated, in this case it is the cities. Some cities that are diversified will do well, others will grow and shrink when their industries mature and the labor is no longer in as much demand. heck, a few generations from now, Silicon Valley may be the next Youngstown if the tech industry matures past the need for their large labor force. BTW, Greater Youngstown-Warren-Sharon actually has more jobs now than it did prior to the first steel mill closure in 1977. The average hourly wage compared to the national average is much less than what it was. The population of the metro hasn't changed though. It was once true that people moved to where the jobs are -- especially the jobs for which they were trained. Today, fewer young people gravitate to the quality of jobs in a city. Instead, they are drawn by the quality of the lifestyle in a city. They move to a city because like the lifestyle it offers, then they seek a job or jobs that allows them to stay and enjoy that lifestyle. Even if it's a job below their skill level. It's why many cities are in a growing competition to create urban places and amenities that draw millennials. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 22, 20168 yr Urban geographer Richard Florida predicts the blue/red divide and Trumpism will accelerate these losses.... Part of the economic challenge in the Midwest: states there tend to lose their college graduates http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/upshot/the-states-that-college-graduates-are-most-likely-to-leave.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 23, 20168 yr Urban geographer Richard Florida predicts the blue/red divide and Trumpism will accelerate these losses.... Part of the economic challenge in the Midwest: states there tend to lose their college graduates http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/upshot/the-states-that-college-graduates-are-most-likely-to-leave.html I hope Governor Kasich took note. I wonder if he would react to Ohio paying for education leaving to other states by cutting funding for education?
December 6, 20168 yr Ohio's lack of population growth is pretty accurate validation of this... Ohio ranked as one of the worst states to live in: http://www.cleveland19.com/story/33941081/ohio-ranked-as-one-of-the-worst-states-to-live-in "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20168 yr Urban geographer Richard Florida predicts the blue/red divide and Trumpism will accelerate these losses.... Part of the economic challenge in the Midwest: states there tend to lose their college graduates http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/upshot/the-states-that-college-graduates-are-most-likely-to-leave.html I hope Governor Kasich took note. I wonder if he would react to Ohio paying for education leaving to other states by cutting funding for education? That's been the reason given by some Michigan lawmakers for cutting higher education funding - 'the people who benefit from it are likely to leave Michigan, so why subsidize benefits to other states?' Ohio has historically had high tuition costs and low rates of state support. Ohio is starting to have competitive tuition costs now that other states are cutting their higher ed budgets to Ohio's low levels. Regarding brain drain, the problem isn't with domestic outmigration of college graduates, it's a lack of domestic and international in-migration beyond the Boomerang Buckeyes who return to raise families in their late 20s and early 30s. Outside of Chicago and maybe Minneapolis, the Midwest doesn't have any national destination cities, like those on the coasts, Denver, Nashville, Charlotte, and so on. Columbus might come closest, but most of the domestic in-migration comes from within Ohio, much of it from CLE.
December 7, 20168 yr I don't have numbers on this but it seems like a lot of Mahoning Valley people around my age have ended up in Columbus.
December 16, 20168 yr City-vs-city bashing is not allowed on UO. Our purpose here is to build an appreciation for all of Ohio's urban assets.
December 20, 20168 yr Ohio actually grew this past year! Ohio 2010 11,536,727 2015 11,605,090 2016 11,614,373 Regional states were not as lucky. New York, Illinois, and Pennsylvania recorded losses; Michigan grew. Utah is Nation’s Fastest-Growing State, Census Bureau Reports Utah’s population crossed the 3.0 million mark as it became the nation’s fastest-growing state over the last year. Its population increased 2.0 percent to 3.1 million from July 1, 2015, to July 1, 2016, according to U.S. Census Bureau national and state population estimates released today. “States in the South and West continued to lead in population growth,” said Ben Bolender, Chief of the Population Estimates Branch. “In 2016, 37.9 percent of the nation’s population lived in the South and 23.7 percent lived in the West.” Following Utah, Nevada (2.0 percent), Idaho (1.8 percent), Florida (1.8 percent) and Washington (1.8 percent) saw the largest percentage increases in population. North Dakota, which had been the fastest-growing state for the previous four years, mostly from people moving into the state, fell out of the top ten in growth due to a net outflow of migrants to other parts of the country. Its growth slowed from 2.3 percent in the previous year to 0.1 percent. Nationally, the U.S. population grew by 0.7 percent to 323.1 million. Furthermore, the population of voting-age residents, adults age 18 and over, grew to 249.5 million, making up 77.2 percent of the population in 2016, an increase of 0.9 percent from 2015 (247.3 million). Eight states lost population between July 1, 2015, and July 1, 2016, including Pennsylvania, New York and Wyoming, all three of which had grown the previous year. Illinois lost more people than any other state (-37,508). Two states that had been losing population in the previous year, Maine and New Mexico, saw increases in population of 0.15 and 0.03 percent respectively. In addition to the population data for the 50 states and the District of Columbia, the new estimates show that Puerto Rico had an estimated population of 3.4 million, a decline from 3.5 million in 2015. Estimates of the components of population change (births, deaths, and migration) were also released today. More below: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-214.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 20, 20168 yr Ohio actually grew this past year! Ohio 2010 11,536,727 2015 11,605,090 2016 11,614,373 Regional states were not as lucky. New York, Illinois, and Pennsylvania recorded losses; Michigan grew. Utah is Nation’s Fastest-Growing State, Census Bureau Reports Utah’s population crossed the 3.0 million mark as it became the nation’s fastest-growing state over the last year. Its population increased 2.0 percent to 3.1 million from July 1, 2015, to July 1, 2016, according to U.S. Census Bureau national and state population estimates released today. “States in the South and West continued to lead in population growth,” said Ben Bolender, Chief of the Population Estimates Branch. “In 2016, 37.9 percent of the nation’s population lived in the South and 23.7 percent lived in the West.” Following Utah, Nevada (2.0 percent), Idaho (1.8 percent), Florida (1.8 percent) and Washington (1.8 percent) saw the largest percentage increases in population. North Dakota, which had been the fastest-growing state for the previous four years, mostly from people moving into the state, fell out of the top ten in growth due to a net outflow of migrants to other parts of the country. Its growth slowed from 2.3 percent in the previous year to 0.1 percent. Nationally, the U.S. population grew by 0.7 percent to 323.1 million. Furthermore, the population of voting-age residents, adults age 18 and over, grew to 249.5 million, making up 77.2 percent of the population in 2016, an increase of 0.9 percent from 2015 (247.3 million). Eight states lost population between July 1, 2015, and July 1, 2016, including Pennsylvania, New York and Wyoming, all three of which had grown the previous year. Illinois lost more people than any other state (-37,508). Two states that had been losing population in the previous year, Maine and New Mexico, saw increases in population of 0.15 and 0.03 percent respectively. In addition to the population data for the 50 states and the District of Columbia, the new estimates show that Puerto Rico had an estimated population of 3.4 million, a decline from 3.5 million in 2015. Estimates of the components of population change (births, deaths, and migration) were also released today. More below: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-214.html I thought Ohio has been growing? I didn't think there were any losses in the past few decades, or ever? But judging by the trend line from those three years you posted, that may be changing soon.
December 20, 20168 yr ^Ohio has been growing, but it has been growing at a slower pace than the country as a whole (which is why we've lost electoral college votes and house seats).
December 27, 20168 yr http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/12/21/utah-fastest-growing-state-west-bucks-sluggish-trend/95694042/ I just enjoyed looking at this story and not seeing Ohio in the "bottom 10" in growth rates. Also, I understand that it's easy to say "the South and West are booming," but that's such a generalization that doesn't hold up when you look at the data. Mississippi and West Virginia (two states I would consider Southern) aren't growing. Likewise, Wyoming and New Mexico are both clearly "western" states, and they aren't booming either. Certainly there are states in each region that are doing well, and presumably that helps to prop up the regional growth rate as a whole. Oh well.
December 27, 20168 yr Here is Franklin County's density based on recently-released census tract population estimates. The vast majority of the county's census tracts increased in population and density. There are far more tracts growing now than during the 2000s. Also, the maps reiterate that Columbus has greater density spread out across the area than most people think. http://allcolumbusdata.com/?p=5954
December 28, 20168 yr ^Great work. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 23, 20178 yr ...and 2016 is out! https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2016/demo/popest/total-metro-and-micro-statistical-areas.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 23, 20178 yr Interesting that Cincinnati had 3,972 foreigners move here, while 1,230 US citizens left. I would not have guessed the international migration to Cincinnati would be quite that high.
March 23, 20178 yr https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk Franklin County and every county around it grew-except Madison-which had a greater percentage loss than any other Ohio county. Madison County-the hellhole county of Central Ohio! (yeah I am stuck living here now so I can attest for this personally). Interesting that Franklin County grew by over 14,000, while Marion County Indiana(Indianapolis)grew by only a bit over 3,000. Given that Indy could not have grown more than that 3000 and some change, and that Columbus was only about 3,000 people behind Indy last year, if at least half of that growth was within city limits(and it has tended to be about two thirds of it recently), then Columbus should pass Indianapolis when the city estimates come out in May(I think it is May). That would put Cbus ahead of Indy in city and metro. Glad to see Hamilton County grew and Cincinnati metro also grew decently. *Also 8 states lost population, but only 1 in the Midwest-Illinois.
March 23, 20178 yr 2016 Ohio MSA: 1. Cincinnati - 2,165,139 2. Cleveland-Elyria - 2,055,612 3. Columbus - 2,041,520 4. Dayton - 800,683 5. Akron - 702,221 6. Toledo - 605,221 7. Youngstown-Warren-Boardman - 544,746 8. Canton-Massillon - 401,281 9. Springfield - 134,786 10. Mansfield - 121,107 11. Lima - 103,742 2016 Ohio CSA: 1. Cleveland-Akron-Canton - 3,483,311 2. Columbus-Marion-Zanesville - 2,443,402 3. Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville - 2,224,231 4. Dayton-Springfield-Sidney - 1,074,617 5. Youngstown-Warren - 648,431 6. Toledo-Port Clinton - 645,857 7. Lima-Van Wert-Celina - 218,907 8. Mansfield-Ashland-Bucyrus - 216,842 9. Findlay-Tiffin - 131,225 *Red indicates loss from 2015; Green indicates gain from 2015 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The take away from my area (Dayton) is that while the core metropolitan area grew, the surrounding small towns/counties around the MSA declined, hurting the CSA numbers. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 23, 20178 yr Interesting that Cincinnati had 3,972 foreigners move here, while 1,230 US citizens left. I would not have guessed the international migration to Cincinnati would be quite that high. That's nice to see. Totally anecdotal, but I do feel like I've heard more foreign languages spoken out and about since moving back to Cincinnati last year after being away for five. Snippets of Spanish, Russian, French, etc... Makes the city feel a little less black and white.
March 23, 20178 yr https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk Franklin County and every county around it grew-except Madison-which had a greater percentage loss than any other Ohio county. Madison County-the hellhole county of Central Ohio! (yeah I am stuck living here now so I can attest for this personally). Madison County doesn't really have much going on and is furthest from Columbus city limits. Even western Franklin County is pretty empty past 270. I can say "semi-rural Franklin County" with a straight face.
March 23, 20178 yr https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk Franklin County and every county around it grew-except Madison-which had a greater percentage loss than any other Ohio county. Madison County-the hellhole county of Central Ohio! (yeah I am stuck living here now so I can attest for this personally). Madison County doesn't really have much going on and is furthest from Columbus city limits. Even western Franklin County is pretty empty past 270. I can say "semi-rural Franklin County" with a straight face. I don't know about the Plain City area, but there has been virtually no new housing construction in the London or West Jeff areas. West Jeff is actually doing ok with it's business park expansion and annexing the Battelle property and expansion, but they have built just a few houses in the south part of town and the downtown is a shambles(what is left of it)-hell the building housing my dentist collapsed into the Main street not too long ago lol. The only thing new is a horrible Dollar General they stuck in a nook at 40 and Taylor Blair rd.-right next to the cemetery and it looks atrocious! Now West Jeff can claim both a Family Dollar and a Dollar General-but not a real grocery store. Smh.
March 23, 20178 yr 2016 Ohio MSA: 1. Cincinnati - 2,165,139 2. Cleveland-Elyria - 2,055,612 3. Columbus - 2,041,520 4. Dayton - 800,683 5. Akron - 702,221 6. Toledo - 605,221 7. Youngstown-Warren-Boardman - 544,746 8. Canton-Massillon - 401,281 9. Springfield - 134,786 10. Mansfield - 121,107 11. Lima - 103,742 2016 Ohio CSA: 1. Cleveland-Akron-Canton - 3,483,311 2. Columbus-Marion-Zanesville - 2,443,402 3. Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville - 2,224,231 4. Dayton-Springfield-Sidney - 1,074,617 5. Youngstown-Warren - 648,431 6. Toledo-Port Clinton - 645,857 7. Lima-Van Wert-Celina - 218,907 8. Mansfield-Ashland-Bucyrus - 216,842 9. Findlay-Tiffin - 131,225 *Red indicates loss from 2015; Green indicates gain from 2015 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The take away from my area (Dayton) is that while the core metropolitan area grew, the surrounding small towns/counties around the MSA declined, hurting the CSA numbers. From a density standpoint, does this indicate that Cincinnati is the most dense of the 3 big cities, if CSA is a larger area than MSA?
March 23, 20178 yr From a density standpoint, does this indicate that Cincinnati is the most dense of the 3 big cities, if CSA is a larger area than MSA? Is there a link out there with land areas for CSA's?
March 23, 20178 yr I don't have the square mileage off the top of my head but it may still be Cleveland-Akron if I'm just eyeballing the map below: "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 23, 20178 yr Here's a study by Miami University about Ohio populations, with county data. http://www.ohio-population.org/doc_category/county/
March 23, 20178 yr https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk Franklin County and every county around it grew-except Madison-which had a greater percentage loss than any other Ohio county. Madison County-the hellhole county of Central Ohio! (yeah I am stuck living here now so I can attest for this personally). Interesting that Franklin County grew by over 14,000, while Marion County Indiana(Indianapolis)grew by only a bit over 3,000. Given that Indy could not have grown more than that 3000 and some change, and that Columbus was only about 3,000 people behind Indy last year, if at least half of that growth was within city limits(and it has tended to be about two thirds of it recently), then Columbus should pass Indianapolis when the city estimates come out in May(I think it is May). That would put Cbus ahead of Indy in city and metro. Glad to see Hamilton County grew and Cincinnati metro also grew decently. *Also 8 states lost population, but only 1 in the Midwest-Illinois. Madison has had a very small loss overall since 2010, not one of the highest in the state by any means. Interesting to see that Indianapolis' home county lost population. That's bad news for Indianapolis considering the city includes most of Marion County. City estimates won't be out until May. Nationally, it seems that the majority of cities, even in Sun Belt areas, saw year-over-year growth rate declines. Of course, this could merely be a function of the estimates themselves rather than any real change.
March 23, 20178 yr https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk Franklin County and every county around it grew-except Madison-which had a greater percentage loss than any other Ohio county. Madison County-the hellhole county of Central Ohio! (yeah I am stuck living here now so I can attest for this personally). Madison County doesn't really have much going on and is furthest from Columbus city limits. Even western Franklin County is pretty empty past 270. I can say "semi-rural Franklin County" with a straight face. I actually think the fact that the Big Darby is so protected prevents sprawl from moving in that direction and keeps Madison County stagnant versus all the other surrounding counties to Columbus.
March 23, 20178 yr https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk Franklin County and every county around it grew-except Madison-which had a greater percentage loss than any other Ohio county. Madison County-the hellhole county of Central Ohio! (yeah I am stuck living here now so I can attest for this personally). Interesting that Franklin County grew by over 14,000, while Marion County Indiana(Indianapolis)grew by only a bit over 3,000. Given that Indy could not have grown more than that 3000 and some change, and that Columbus was only about 3,000 people behind Indy last year, if at least half of that growth was within city limits(and it has tended to be about two thirds of it recently), then Columbus should pass Indianapolis when the city estimates come out in May(I think it is May). That would put Cbus ahead of Indy in city and metro. Glad to see Hamilton County grew and Cincinnati metro also grew decently. *Also 8 states lost population, but only 1 in the Midwest-Illinois. Madison has had a very small loss overall since 2010, not one of the highest in the state by any means. Interesting to see that Indianapolis' home county lost population. That's bad news for Indianapolis considering the city includes most of Marion County. City estimates won't be out until May. Nationally, it seems that the majority of cities, even in Sun Belt areas, saw year-over-year growth rate declines. Of course, this could merely be a function of the estimates themselves rather than any real change. I think the Plain City area must be helping a bit. There is very little being built around West Jeff or London, and yeah it is about the same as 2010-which compared to many other areas in the state is not so bad. Also Marion County Indiana did not lose population, it gained over 3.000. But that also means Indy could not have gained more than that. 75 percent of their metro growth is happening outside the core county, about the opposite of Columbus-which is not so good for Indy. Hamilton County(Carmel, Fishers)alone gained twice as much as Marion County. I would think we would have passed them when the city estimates come out. I was surprised at how some places did not gain much-San Francisco adding 8,000 or so, Santa Clara(San Jose)adding less than Franklin County.
April 4, 20178 yr Interesting data maps (I've posted a few below) posted on Twitter today, starting with: pic.twitter.com/CbCbVmKYcj Precincts with 60% or more college grads (in blue) nationally. This might appear at a glance to be a city vs. country map, but you have to zoom in further to notice the differences within metros.... Here are the New York and Philly metros for instance. Where the front row kids cluster in DC and Baltimore. Clustering by education in Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee. AND....Here's Ohio and Western PA, based on precincts with 60% or more grads (blue) vs those without (orange). Look at small-town Ohio. Just as bad as Ohio's inner cities. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 4, 20178 yr Columbus, by far, has the greatest concentration of blue dots in it's urban core. German Village, Short North, Clintonville, Bexley, Grandview, Upper Arlington as well as many prosperous northern immediate suburbs. Cincinnati's blue dots are mostly concentrated on the east side and northern 'burbs which I expected - Mariemont, to Hyde Park on up to Indian Hill and Mason and Kings Mills (but considering the recent renaissance in OTR, I did think there'd be more blue dots around OTR and Clifton... and as far as the west side goes, a little more around Western Hills or west of it.) I must say...Cleveland is a little surprising considering the current high demand to live downtown and it's current high prices. There's mostly blue dots on the east side - looks to be around Shaker, and then on the west side around Bay Village and a little farther west and that's it for Cleveland's metro area. Other than that, the blue dots close to metro Cleveland are only existent in the exurbs between Cleveland and Akron. That's pretty tragic... Nothing in the urban core at all.
April 4, 20178 yr I don't understand the blue dots that appear to be along River Rd. in Cincinnati. That's too bizarre...a string of blue dots leading from downtown into the west side like that. Maybe that's actually Kentucky since they go southwest from downtown but still, those linear blue dots don't make sense to me.
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