^ I worked at UC during the Strickland administration and I remember hearing rumblings that he wanted to centralize Ohio's public universities similar to SUNY or the other UC (University of California)*. According to Wikipedia, "the University System of Ohio was unified under Governor Ted Strickland in 2007" ... but I don't know what that actually means. Maybe the governing board(s) were centralized but each university still operates completely independently today.

 

*This reminds me that I once talked to the guy at the University of Cincinnati who originally registered the domain name uc.edu. UC was early to the Internet so they got the domain name first. The University of California didn't get online until later, and got stuck with universityofcalifornia.edu.

I always wondered how the University of Cincinnati ended up with the "uc.edu" domain when the University of California obviously has a higher profile and that much more clout. First come, first served, apparently. The University of California's web/IT people must still be kicking themselves over that one.

 

As for then-Gov. Strickland's "University of Ohio" initiative, there was actually a fairly serious plan his administration was floating near the end of his term to consolidate the NE Ohio universities--Cleveland State, Akron, Kent, and Youngstown--into one regional university system (e.g. "UNEO" or "NEO U"). Supposedly CSU and Akron's presidents were definitely on board with it, and had even talked casually about consolidating and just forming their own "Akron-Cleveland University." The lynchpin in Strickland's plan, though, was Kent, who balked at the idea of giving up their own identity.

 

Not too long afterwards, Strickland lost his re-election bid to Kasich, and all regionalization talks ground to a halt.

 

Kasich and his admin during their seven years so far have never revisited any serious consolidation efforts, and it doesn't at all seem likely that he is going to start them now, during his final, lame duck year as Governor. It will be curious to see what, if anything, his successor chooses to do. The only thing certain is that the current trends in Higher Ed and Ohio's population and demographics are going to continue, and the state system is going to struggle even more in the coming years to sustain itself based upon these issues and the current number of universities it supports.

 

Having uc.edu is no doubt convenient but if they fully appreciated the convenience, they wouldn't have given me an email with @email.uc.edu. THAT was annoying. Too much typing and since the first part of my email address was my last name, then my first and middle initial, it just ended up being a really unpretty email address.

 

That's weird that those two presidents were all about merging. For it to be an effective merger though, one of their jobs would have been threatened and they obviously weren't worried about that.

 

Cleveland State needs to change their name and work on branding. It's not a bad school but the name just sounds cheap. Their proximity to downtown alone, is a huge asset and something to get prospective students excited about. The circulator will take you downtown in just a few minutes. It runs very frequently and students do use it a lot!

Halfway through my 7 years at UC they changed emails from [email protected] to [email protected] which complicated things even more. I had registered with a ton of stuff and it was always a pain trying to keep straight which version I was using at the time.

While we're on this topic, does anyone know why "State" was added in the names for CSU, KSU, BGSU, Wright State, and Shawnee State but not Cincinnati, Toledo, Akron, and Miami? I've always thought "University of Cleveland", "University of Kent", and "Bowling Green University" sounded better. "University of Portsmouth" was already taken so that was off the table, but "Shawnee State" is an odd choice since there isn't any connection to the Shawnee Tribe, at least not that I'm aware of.

 

The Shawnee State Forest is located in Scioto County. SSU was founded in 1986 and a lot of the tasks associated with founding were put up to a vote by the contemporary OU-Portsmouth students. SSU history is much more obscure than other schools for sure. There is no indoctrination of greatness like students get at OSU during their freshman year.

Having uc.edu is no doubt convenient but if they fully appreciated the convenience, they wouldn't have given me an email with @email.uc.edu. THAT was annoying. Too much typing and since the first part of my email address was my last name, then my first and middle initial, it just ended up being a really unpretty email address.

 

 

 

Not everyone gets a hot, easy-to-pronounce username like mine.

Thanks for the answers. I did some more reading on the founding of the state schools and it appears the schools without "State" generally started as private or city schools while the "State" schools were designed to be regional state schools. In 1967 the municipal university of Akron, Cincinnati, Toledo, and Youngstown became state schools. For some reason Youngstown was the only to change their name to include "State".

 

Akron

1867: started as the privatae Buchtel College by the Universalist Church

1913: ownership transfered to city of Akron, named Municipal University of Akron

1967: became state university, named The University of Akron

Cincinnati

1819: Cincinnati College and Medical College of Ohio started separately (private at this time?)

1870: City of Cincinnati merges the two schools to form University of Cincinnati

1968: Declared a "municipally-sponsored, state-affiliated" institution

1977: Became a state university

Miami

1809: started by the federal government

Ohio

1804: started by the federal government; first university in state

Toledo

1872: started as a private school named Toledo University of Arts and Trades

1884: City of Toledo purchases school, eventually renames it to Toledo University

1967: Becomes state university, renamed to The University of Toledo

 

Bowling Green

1910: started by state by the Lowry Bill

Central State

1887: started by the state to create a teacher's college at the private HBCU Wilberforce, named called Wilberforce State College.

1947: became its own university

1951: renamed to Central State University

Cleveland State

1923: classes that had been offered by YMCA for 50 years become recognized as bachelor's degree for the first time

1929: becomes the private Fenn College

1964: state starts Cleveland State, which acquires Fenn College

Kent State

1910: started by state as teachers college by the Lowry Bill

Ohio State

1870: started by state as land grant university

Wright State

1964: started by state as branch campus of Miami and Ohio State

1967: became separate university, named Wright State

Shawnee State

1986: started by state

Youngstown State

1908: YMCA starts law school

1921: renamed Youngstown University (private at this time?)

1967: became a state school, renamed Youngstown State University.

 

Cleveland State needs to change their name and work on branding. It's not a bad school but the name just sounds cheap. Their proximity to downtown alone, is a huge asset and something to get prospective students excited about. The circulator will take you downtown in just a few minutes. It runs very frequently and students do use it a lot!

 

This is what motivated my question. I grew up in Cincinnati, but my siblings and I never considered Cleveland State, in large part to its name and branding. The fact that Cincinnati State is a technical and community college probably made me assume Cleveland State was similar. As an outsider it seems like a very underutilized asset.

There were discussions at one point to rename Cleveland State to University of Cleveland.  I think that would be better I suppose.

The fact that Cincinnati State is a technical and community college probably made me assume Cleveland State was similar. As an outsider it seems like a very underutilized asset.

 

Columbus State is also the main community college in central Ohio. Before really joining this board, I had heard of Cincinnati State and Cleveland State but also just assumed they were all similar

Halfway through my 7 years at UC they changed emails from [email protected] to [email protected] which complicated things even more. I had registered with a ton of stuff and it was always a pain trying to keep straight which version I was using at the time.

 

LOL... Oh God.

 

 

Yeah, Cleveland State sounds like a CC similar to Columbus State or Cincinnati State. Cleveland University or University of Cleveland would be a much better name.

Miami was originally supposed to be in Hamilton County.  The guys who surveyed and sold off Hamilton County in the 1790s sold the square mile in Springfield Township where the university was supposed to go.  I think it was around where Glendale is now. 

Miami was originally supposed to be in Hamilton County.  The guys who surveyed and sold off Hamilton County in the 1790s sold the square mile in Springfield Township where the university was supposed to go.  I think it was around where Glendale is now. 

 

This could have lead to some very interesting counterfactual history.

From Wikipedia...this is a bit different than what I read in pre-Wikipedia days:

 

The foundations for Miami University were first laid by an Act of Congress signed by President George Washington, stating that an academy should be located Northwest of the Ohio River in the Miami Valley.[15] The land was located within the Symmes Purchase; Judge John Cleves Symmes, the owner of the land, purchased the land from the government with the stipulation that he lay aside land for an academy.[16] Congress granted one township to be located in the District of Cincinnati to the Ohio General Assembly for the purposes of building a college, two days after Ohio was granted statehood in 1803; if no suitable location could be provided in the Symmes Purchase, Congress pledged to give federal lands to the legislature after a five-year period. The Ohio Legislature appointed three surveyors in August of the same year to search for a suitable township, and they selected a township off of Four Mile Creek.[16] The Legislature passed "An Act to Establish the Miami University" on February 2, 1809, and a board of trustees was created by the state; this is cited as the founding of Miami University.[16] The township originally granted to the university was known as the "College Township," and was renamed Oxford, Ohio, in 1810.[citation needed]

 

The University temporarily halted construction due to the War of 1812.[16] Cincinnati tried to move Miami to the city in 1822 and to divert its income to a Cincinnati college, but it failed.[16] Miami created a grammar school in 1818 to teach frontier youth; but, it was disbanded after five years.[16] Robert Hamilton Bishop, a Presbyterian minister and professor of history, was appointed to be the first President of Miami University in 1824. The first day of classes at Miami was on November 1, 1824.[16] At its opening, there were 20 students and two faculty members in addition to Bishop.[16] The curriculum included Greek, Latin, Algebra, Geography, and Roman history; the University offered only a Bachelor of Arts. An "English Scientific Department" was started in 1825, which studied modern languages, applied mathematics, and political economy as training for more practical professions. It offered a certificate upon completion of coursework, not a full diploma.[16]

 

I did not know about the second episode -- the attempt to move Miami University to Cincinnati in the 1820s.  But this account of the actual location of the university skirts over the sale of the land where it was supposed to go with the comment "if no suitable location could be provided".  There was tons of land and almost no people back in 1809. 

No sh!t... Wow, that's interesting. Thanks for finding that.

There were discussions at one point to rename Cleveland State to University of Cleveland.  I think that would be better I suppose.

 

It's definitely a good idea but I think they decided against it pretty much because it'd be expensive and a lot of work. I do hope they do pick up the idea again some day - Berkman is retiring and they are looking for a new president, so maybe whoever they hire will be into the idea. The Columbus and Cincinnati metros are exactly where they should be looking if they want to expand their base of potential students, and it makes no sense to call yourself "Cleveland State" since that makes it basically synonymous with "community college" to people who grow up in either of those metros.

Halfway through my 7 years at UC they changed emails from [email protected] to [email protected] which complicated things even more. I had registered with a ton of stuff and it was always a pain trying to keep straight which version I was using at the time.

 

LOL... Oh God.

 

 

Yeah, Cleveland State sounds like a CC similar to Columbus State or Cincinnati State. Cleveland University or University of Cleveland would be a much better name.

 

Agreed, but people get defensive about it so nothing happens.  Same thing when Akron tried to become "Polytechnic," the alumni flipped out and they dropped it right away.  Cleveland State sounds like a fictional school from a Criminal Minds episode.

Cleveland State has no brand identity. Actually most of the state schools in Ohio don't. They could change that lack of identity with some good marketing and legitimate curriculum and infrastructure improvements. But that cost money.

I've got a far cheaper rebranding idea that is sure to bring prestige and gravitas to CSU:

 

^That's fantastic. I sometimes facetiously refer to it as such, but I thought I was the only one.

Thanks for the answers. I did some more reading on the founding of the state schools and it appears the schools without "State" generally started as private or city schools while the "State" schools were designed to be regional state schools. In 1967 the municipal university of Akron, Cincinnati, Toledo, and Youngstown became state schools. For some reason Youngstown was the only to change their name to include "State".

 

Akron

1867: started as the privatae Buchtel College by the Universalist Church

1913: ownership transfered to city of Akron, named Municipal University of Akron

1967: became state university, named The University of Akron

Cincinnati

1819: Cincinnati College and Medical College of Ohio started separately (private at this time?)

1870: City of Cincinnati merges the two schools to form University of Cincinnati

1968: Declared a "municipally-sponsored, state-affiliated" institution

1977: Became a state university

Miami

1809: started by the federal government

Ohio

1804: started by the federal government; first university in state

Toledo

1872: started as a private school named Toledo University of Arts and Trades

1884: City of Toledo purchases school, eventually renames it to Toledo University

1967: Becomes state university, renamed to The University of Toledo

 

Bowling Green

1910: started by state by the Lowry Bill

Central State

1887: started by the state to create a teacher's college at the private HBCU Wilberforce, named called Wilberforce State College.

1947: became its own university

1951: renamed to Central State University

Cleveland State

1923: classes that had been offered by YMCA for 50 years become recognized as bachelor's degree for the first time

1929: becomes the private Fenn College

1964: state starts Cleveland State, which acquires Fenn College

Kent State

1910: started by state as teachers college by the Lowry Bill

Ohio State

1870: started by state as land grant university

Wright State

1964: started by state as branch campus of Miami and Ohio State

1967: became separate university, named Wright State

Shawnee State

1986: started by state

Youngstown State

1908: YMCA starts law school

1921: renamed Youngstown University (private at this time?)

1967: became a state school, renamed Youngstown State University.

 

Cleveland State needs to change their name and work on branding. It's not a bad school but the name just sounds cheap. Their proximity to downtown alone, is a huge asset and something to get prospective students excited about. The circulator will take you downtown in just a few minutes. It runs very frequently and students do use it a lot!

 

This is what motivated my question. I grew up in Cincinnati, but my siblings and I never considered Cleveland State, in large part to its name and branding. The fact that Cincinnati State is a technical and community college probably made me assume Cleveland State was similar. As an outsider it seems like a very underutilized asset.

 

Cleveland State is much more of a city school feel to it than UC or Akron or even Toledo. It does not have the research that is done at the other schools, especially Cincinnati. The most similar school to Cleveland State would be NKU.

 

 

Cleveland State is much more of a city school feel to it than UC or Akron or even Toledo. It does not have the research that is done at the other schools, especially Cincinnati. The most similar school to Cleveland State would be NKU.

 

That, it does.

 

Hmm...

 

City University of Cleveland. CUC 8)

I've got a far cheaper rebranding idea that is sure to bring prestige and gravitas to CSU:

 

 

THE Cleveland State University? Eww. You don't want them to be like THE OSU freshmen.

 

I remember when I started at UC and my best friend who started at OSU, came down there, on campus to visit us. He had his OSU Football jersey on and had his arms up in the air, going "O-H!! O-H!!!" waiting for a response from other people walking past us. No one even knew what the hell he was talking about and just looked at him like he was crazy. They probably thought he had Tourrettes. I'll never forget that. Haha.

^I don't think I knew about the OH-IO thing until I was like 27.  The college football team that EVERYONE followed in Cincinnati when I was a kid was Notre Dame. You'd go to people's houses and every interior surface of the FAMILY ROOM was Notre Dame stuff.  Not the basement, THE FAMILY ROOM.

^ Jake is right, growing up Ohio State was an afterthought in Cincinnati. I was always a huge OSU fan and if we were ever out at a bar or restaurant the OSU game was always secondary to Notre Dame or UC or even the big SEC game of the week. This was especially true on the West Side which was a huge Notre Dame area. The East side had a large Michigan component to it. UC still was the dominant force in the market and OSU was probably around or maybe even below where UK was in the Cincy market.

 

That changed in 2002 as the OSU fans came out of the woodwork a bit. Cincy still is not an OSU town and never will be, the it is a  bit more recognized down here instead of just being an afterthought

Ohio State is surprisingly popular in Cleveland. You certainly wouldn't notice it browsing this forum but most of them actually love Columbus and OSU, up there. They'll purposely go out to their favorite bar and grill, like Barrio, to catch the game. Restaurants with bars in Cleveland are packed during OSU games.

 

Cincinnatians are really into high school football for some reason. Their catholic schools like Elder will recruit talent from anywhere. For highschool-level football... Personally, I don't get it but then again, I don't give two sh!ts about football period. If any high school stadiums would sell out though, it would definitely be a high school stadium in Cincinnati.

 

I remember when I was at UC, an Elder game had a higher attendance at Nippert than any UC football game, that season. Tragic fact.

 

UC's games didn't have the kind of demand that OSU games did, so I could always go to the games for free with my student ID. If you go to OSU, I think you do get some kind of priority when buying tickets, but you do still have to pay and it's a crap ton of money - in excess of a hundred bucks for a ticket.

 

I only took advantage of my free admission to basketball games at UC once, with a game between us and Louisville.

Ohio State is surprisingly popular in Cleveland. You certainly wouldn't notice it browsing this forum but most of them actually love Columbus and OSU, up there.

 

Cincinnatians are really into high school football for some reason. Their catholic schools like Elder will recruit talent from anywhere. For highschool-level football... Personally, I don't get it but then again, I don't give two sh!ts about football period.

 

Cleveland's love for OSU is extremely noticeable in Columbus. If you hangout in places like Grandview, the Short North, or any campus neighborhoods you will constantly run into people who moved here from Cleveland because of OSU. Unfortunately for Cleveland (and fortunately for Columbus), many of their young people go to OSU and then never return. Because of this, I think Columbus and Cleveland view each other much more positively than Columbus and Cincinnati.

 

The same cannot be said for Cincinnati. I rarely run into people who moved to Columbus from Cincinnati. Personally, I probably know more people grew up in Columbus and then went to school in Cincinnati than people who did the opposite. The good news for Columbus, at least in my experience, is many of the people from Columbus who go to Cincinnati for school end up back in Columbus after school.

 

This article (http://allcolumbusdata.com/?p=6128) gives a breakdown of where people move to the Columbus metro area from. The Northeast Ohio region has sent a significant amount of people to Central Ohio.

Good point.

 

In a sense, people in Cincinnati live in a bubble. Though, there's also folks who realize that bubble exists, are terrified by it and go to the extreme to get away from that mentality.

 

I was born and raised in Columbus, lived in Cincy through my teen years and attended UC. Moved back to Columbus and recently had a two year stint in CLE. Folks in Cincy definitely tend to stay in Cincy for some reason. From my experience, my closest Cincy friends have moved to entirely different countries if they moved at all.

 

Personally, I don't live in Cincinnati but it'll always hold a special place in my heart. I don't know why. It's just a very charming city with a lot of character and history. I think that holds true for the people who were born and raised there but actually left Cincy.

Ohio State is surprisingly popular in Cleveland. You certainly wouldn't notice it browsing this forum but most of them actually love Columbus and OSU, up there.

 

Cincinnatians are really into high school football for some reason. Their catholic schools like Elder will recruit talent from anywhere. For highschool-level football... Personally, I don't get it but then again, I don't give two sh!ts about football period.

 

Cleveland's love for OSU is extremely noticeable in Columbus. If you hangout in places like Grandview, the Short North, or any campus neighborhoods you will constantly run into people who moved here from Cleveland because of OSU. Unfortunately for Cleveland (and fortunately for Columbus), many of their young people go to OSU and then never return. Because of this, I think Columbus and Cleveland view each other much more positively than Columbus and Cincinnati.

 

The same cannot be said for Cincinnati. I rarely run into people who moved to Columbus from Cincinnati. Personally, I probably know more people grew up in Columbus and then went to school in Cincinnati than people who did the opposite. The good news for Columbus, at least in my experience, is many of the people from Columbus who go to Cincinnati for school end up back in Columbus after school.

 

This article (http://allcolumbusdata.com/?p=6128) gives a breakdown of where people move to the Columbus metro area from. The Northeast Ohio region has sent a significant amount of people to Central Ohio.

 

 

not exactly.

 

the presence in columbus is because so many clevelanders have moved to columbus en masse or are more likely to go to college at osu because lets face it csu is no uc.

 

actually cleveland is more of a notre dame town than an osu town. nd games really bring'em out. cleveland stadium has even hosted and been the home field for nd in the past. to be fair, i cant imagine they have not hosted osu too before. i would imagine so, but i cant recall that off-hand. see what i mean? lol.

I saw one time that Cleveland had the 4th most ND alums behind Chicago, Cincinnati and Indy.

I went to an OSU game in Cleveland not long ago.  The Buckeyes seem overwhelmingly popular here, even with some ND and UM people mixed in.  If the Browns got good again, it might abate somewhat but not much.

...Folks in Cincy definitely tend to stay in Cincy for some reason...

 

Personally, I don't live in Cincinnati but it'll always hold a special place in my heart. I don't know why.  It's just a very charming city with a lot of character and history. I think that holds true for the people who were born and raised there but actually left Cincy.

Please make allowances for my editing of your writing in order to connect the dots.  ;)

The present state university system is the legacy of Gov. Rhodes and his notion that all Ohioans should have a public university in their community or at least within a reasonable commute. While it's a very egalitarian policy, it clearly isn't practical for the state and its socioeconomic outlook today, and also considering current trends in Higher Ed.

 

I think as others have also suggested, Ohio really should have and focus on building-up and maintaining 3 major public regional universities representing each of the 3Cs/largest metros--Ohio State, University of Cincinnati, and what would need to be a massively "powered-up" Cleveland State likely resulting from a consolidation of CSU, Kent, and Akron into a regional system (e.g. University of Cleveland? University of Northeast Ohio?). The 3Cs should obviously differentiate themselves somewhat in terms of their research and programmatic focus to the point that they aren't essentially carbon copies of each other.

 

Where this leaves other state universities like Ohio University, Toledo, Bowling Green, Youngstown State, and Wright State long term is uncertain, but I could see some amount of specialization and/or regional consolidation happening among them too--Toledo and BGSU in NW Ohio, as someone suggested. Wright State also maybe becomes "University of Cincinnati at Dayton." This approach probably doesn't support some of the more aggressive satellite campus expansion efforts we have recently seen by OU in Columbus, which really make no sense from a state resource allocation standpoint with Ohio State already being an established presence there.

 

Illinois' Civic Federation is considering just that:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20180209/BLOGS02/180209870/close-some-state-universities-consider-it-watchdog-says

 

But potentially even more unpopular is the federation's call to create a bipartisan commission "to rationalize the state's higher education system."

 

The federation notes that six of the state's 12 university campuses have seen their enrollment drop since 2008, with only two up since 2015: The University of Illinois campuses at Urbana-Champaign and Chicago. With the population of high school students also dropping, the federation says, "The commission should consider the elimination of duplicative higher education programs, reallocation of resources across programs and campuses and the closure or consolidation of campuses." Particularly weak have been Northeastern, Southern, Western and Eastern Illinois Universities, and Chicago State University.

 

As a first step, the Civic Fed adds, the state should concentrate management of the schools under fewer boards.

^ Ohio's public schools are very different in nature that it is hard. Ohio would fit much more like the PA system.

 

There you have Penn State and Pitt as the flagship schools and the liberal arts schools like Slippery Rock and Shippensburg.

 

THis parallels Ohio quite well. You have OSU and CIncy as the big state research schools. You have BGSU, MIami, OU, Kent State, YSU and Cleve State as the non-research more liberal arts colleges (when I say non-research I mean a bit lower than UC and OSU)

 

The question is what to do with the schools in the middle like Akron, Toledo, and Wright State which are more hybrid type schools that do more research than OU/BGSU etc but not quite the same level as OSU and Cincy. 

Cleveland State is far from a Liberal Arts College. Its an engineer/lawyer college. CSU may not have the money needed to research as much as OSU or UC, but it sure does its fair share in the research game even in law with a new field of "Space Law". This school is probably the best to go for engineers in Ohio, the tuition is super low, and the proximity to other engineering universities such as Toledo, Akron, and Bowling green make Lake Erie an Engineering basin.

 

I would keep I-80 into consideration as there is a reasonable commute from 80 to each of these Universities. As I-80 kind of outlines the Watershed of Lake Erie, "Erie State University"

Cleveland State is far from a Liberal Arts College. Its an engineer/lawyer college. CSU may not have the money needed to research as much as OSU or UC, but it sure does its fair share in the research game even in law with a new field of "Space Law". This school is probably the best to go for engineers in Ohio, the tuition is super low, and the proximity to other engineering universities such as Toledo, Akron, and Bowling green make Lake Erie an Engineering basin.

 

I would keep I-80 into consideration as there is a reasonable commute from 80 to each of these Universities. As I-80 kind of outlines the Watershed of Lake Erie, "Erie State University"

BGSU is not an engineering school.

CSU is a nice city school and serves a purpose but not quite the level of UC or OSU. It is not a top research school and never will be. It was never intended to serve that purpose. CSU is akin to Wright State or Akron.  It has a law school but no med school and the law school is meh at best.

 

CSU does not need to be the research school the level of Ohio State or UC and it would be a waste of state dollars to try and turn it in to such.

 

Cleveland has Case, and Case is akin to Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh.

CSU does not need to be the research school the level of Ohio State or UC and it would be a waste of state dollars to try and turn it in to such.

 

Why would it be a waste of money?

 

Cleveland has Case, and Case is akin to Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh.

 

By your analogy, shouldn't CSU be akin to Pitt then?

CSU does not need to be the research school the level of Ohio State or UC and it would be a waste of state dollars to try and turn it in to such.

 

Why would it be a waste of money?

 

Cleveland has Case, and Case is akin to Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh.

 

By your analogy, shouldn't CSU be akin to Pitt then?

 

No, UC is essentially akin to Pitt. If you look at the PA system, Penn State and Pitt are a separate system than the other state schools. They have different unions, different requirements for admission and different fee schedules for in state students. They are also the 2 largest and bring in most research dollars. CSU does not come close to UC of OSU here.

It would be one thing to elevate it into a top research school so each of the big 3 cities have one but there is no need in this case since Case serves that role more than effectively in Cleveland

CSU does not need to be the research school the level of Ohio State or UC and it would be a waste of state dollars to try and turn it in to such.

 

You may not know this, but metro Cleveland is the largest economy and population in the state.  But all that aside, I know a bunch of people with three kids. I tell them all the time---focus on any two of them--you don't need to worry about the third one. Who cares about him or her? Why bother. 

CSU does not need to be the research school the level of Ohio State or UC and it would be a waste of state dollars to try and turn it in to such.

 

You may not know this, but metro Cleveland is the largest economy and population in the state.

 

He may not know that because that's inaccurate (largest economy and population in the state is Cincinnati).

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183808/gmp-of-the-20-biggest-metro-areas/

 

But carry on...

CSU does not need to be the research school the level of Ohio State or UC and it would be a waste of state dollars to try and turn it in to such.

 

You may not know this, but metro Cleveland is the largest economy and population in the state.

 

He may not know that because that's inaccurate (largest economy and population in the state is Cincinnati).

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183808/gmp-of-the-20-biggest-metro-areas/

 

But carry on...

CSU does not need to be the research school the level of Ohio State or UC and it would be a waste of state dollars to try and turn it in to such.

 

You may not know this, but metro Cleveland is the largest economy and population in the state.

 

He may not know that because that's inaccurate (largest economy and population in the state is Cincinnati).

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183808/gmp-of-the-20-biggest-metro-areas/

 

But carry on...

 

And a big portion of that is in Kentucky.  Plus, Cincy's MSA takes up more land area than Cleveland.  You could fit two Clevelands in Cincinnati's MSA.  You hear about CinDay all the time, but Akron is closer to Cleveland than Dayton to Cincy and you hear Cincy posters call out Cleveland for adding Akron. 

 

Isn't Case a notch above UC in research?

 

 

And a big portion of that is in Kentucky.  Plus, Cincy's MSA takes up more land area than Cleveland.  You could fit two Clevelands in Cincinnati's MSA.  You hear about CinDay all the time, but Akron is closer to Cleveland than Dayton to Cincy and you hear Cincy posters call out Cleveland for adding Akron. 

 

Those statements aren't relevant to the fact that Cleveland is not the state's largest MSA nor largest economy.  That's all I'm pointing out, not how Cincinnati is that.

Isn't Case a notch above UC in research?

 

 

 

^Interesting. Sounds like a way for Columbus-based Ohio education commission to allow only a Columbus-based school to be the one-and-only highest ranking research university to ensure prestige and recognition only goes back to Columbus, and with government backing to maintain that......sounds kindof corrupt, or at least self-serving.....though jonoh81 will probably say it should be that way for whatever reason!

 

I don't know details - perhaps the representation of regional campuses means that OSU has clout that other campuses don't. Based on recent fed data, OSU ($800m) has about double the research spending of Cincy ($400m), and then it drops off quickly. I'm surprised at CSU's 77m.

 

OSU: 818m

Cincinnati: 430m

Case (private): 405m

Univ of Dayton (private): 116m

Cleveland State: 77m

Ohio: 59m

Akron: 58m

UToledo: 50m

Kent State: 34m

Miami: 16m

BGSU: 14m

 

For comparison:

UM-Ann Arbor: 1.436Billion (2nd highest in US after Johns Hopkins)

UW-Madison: 1.57B

Pitt: 889m

Michigan State: 613m

Purdue: 606m

IU-B 508m

Wayne State: 221m

 

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingBySource&ds=herd

Not if you go by GDP.

He may not know that because that's inaccurate (largest economy and population in the state is Cincinnati).

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183808/gmp-of-the-20-biggest-metro-areas/

 

But carry on...

 

Numbers are numbers. CLE is clearly the biggest city in the state. CLE is the sum of CLE and Akron MSAs, which are separate MSAs for only political reasons pushed by Akron. Take off the political shades if you want to have a meaningful discussion. We've been through this on this board many times.  Of course, you could just censor me or delete my post as you tend to do if its not to your liking, as you've done before.

 

Isn't Case a notch above UC in research?

 

I would say so, but Case is private--i think this discussion is focusing on the state schools. But if we are talking all major schools in a city:

 

Cleveland has Case, and Case is akin to Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh.

 

Cleveland also has Oberlin, one of the top liberal arts schools in the country. While Case is famous for engineering, Oberlin, in general is more widely known--because its a great school, not because, although it was--the first college in the nation, I think, to admit women.

Not if you go by GDP.

 

Just an FYI, the latest GDP numbers show:

 

Cincinnati: $132,010

Columbus: $130,758

Cleveland-Elyria: $129,440

 

https://bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2017/pdf/gdp_metro0917.pdf

 

Numbers are numbers. CLE is clearly the biggest city in the state. CLE is the sum of CLE and Akron MSAs, which are separate MSAs for only political reasons pushed by Akron. Take off the political shades if you want to have a meaningful discussion. We've been through this on this board many times.  Of course, you could just censor me or delete my post as you tend to do if its not to your liking, as you've done before.

 

You stated something inaccurate; I corrected this.  Akron is not "Cleveland Metro" but it is Cleveland-Akron CSA, which is separate.  If this is discussion about state schools, Akron has its own sphere of influence/market regarding its school(s), much like all the other MSAs in the state.  Belittling Akron's existence with "political reasons" and stating "Cleveland is clearly the biggest city in the state"...which both "clearly" are incorrect doesn't help without facts.

Maysville, Kentucky is in Cincinnati's CSA?? I've been through that town and it's in the middle of nowhere.

Maysville, Kentucky is in Cincinnati's CSA?? I've been through that town and it's in the middle of nowhere.

 

Every Ohio (and most national) metropolitan area has outlying towns that seem out-of-place/middle-of-nowhere.  Columbus' CSA counts Cambridge and Cleveland-Akron's CSA counts New Philadelphia, both of which are laughable in all honesty.

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Combined_statistical_areas_of_the_United_States_and_Puerto_Rico_2013.gif

You stated something inaccurate; I corrected this.  Akron is not "Cleveland Metro" but it is Cleveland-Akron CSA' date=' which is separate.....[/quote']

 

Of course Akron is part of Cleveland. "Cleveland" or whatever you want to call it--greater cleveland/metro cleveland/Cleveland area, etc.--is indeed the seven county area--Cuyahoga and the six surrounding counties--at least.  So since  the US government in Washington at Akron's urging--considers Akron a separate MSA called "Akron MSA" and labels other counties as "Cleveland MSA", then "Cleveland" (or greater cleveland/metro cleveland/Cleveland area) includes both the cities of Akron and Cleveland (and Euclid and Parma and Warrensille, etc.).  If you want to talk CSA's then I believe the government includes Canton as well as part of Cleveland. So if one wants REAL cleveland data, one must add "Cleveland MSA" and "Akron MSA" to get the more accurate Metropolitan Cleveland number.

Someone i'm talking to: "Where ya from?"

 

Me: "Oh about 30 minutes south of Cleveland."