March 10, 20187 yr That's what I figured. Johnny Sanphillippo of GranolaShotgun.com has done an amazing job documenting and explaining the housing crisis in California. His central thesis seems to be that our rules and regulations are the cause of the shrinking of the middle class. Our politics and culture are currently so fragile and inflexible that there is no longer any real hope of incrementally fixing the problem. The only way things will get better is by hitting rock bottom. He is the most insightful writer on urban issues today- he could end up being our time's Jane Jacobs. I believe this is the best introduction to his writing: https://granolashotgun.com/2018/02/22/what-can-other-places-teach-california-about-addressing-its-housing-crisis/ But reform doesn’t come just because some people lower down on the economic food chain are having a bad time. Americans are perfectly comfortable with other people getting the short end of the stick. Structural change comes only when the pain hits the broad middle of society. We’re not there yet. But when that moment arrives there will be tremendous opportunities to move forward as we have in the past. The usual conversation regarding housing is divided between the folks who believe that every American heart yearns for a tract home on a cul-de-sac and the people who insist that compact walkable transit rich neighborhoods are the wave of the future. I’ve spent a lot years exploring the entire country and I’m here to tell you it’s a mixed bag. But at the end of the day we aren’t going to transform very much of the landscape one way or another. We have the built environment that we have, and almost all of it is going to stay pretty much the way it is for decades. The project of the next generation is to figure out how to inhabit what we already have in a different way. Our attitudes and behavior will change much more than our buildings. It’s not possible in today’s political climate to change the prevailing institutional procedures. Each regulation has a devout constituency that jealously guards its prerogatives.
March 10, 20187 yr For Ohio to grow again they need to gain hispanics. Look at all the high growth metro's in the south. The one thing they have incommon is the increasing hispanic population. Ignore the Richard K. Jones of this state and come to Ohio. There is jobs to be filled.
March 11, 20187 yr I've been thinking about how Cleveland could regionalize. We could do a hybrid borough system. Split the 50+ municipalities into 5 "boroughs", calling them; North Cleveland, East Cleveland, West Cleveland, South Cleveland and Cleveland. To start, the mayors of the largest suburbs could be the presidents of those boroughs to start off, with the smaller town mayors being council members of those boroughs. The boroughs would contain 10-12 towns, villages, cities etc based of their location in the county. Northern suburbs would be North Cleveland etc. This is an idea to condense the county while not fully taking too much power (ego) away from existing mayors etc. The county DESPERATELY needs something like this to happen, with the population shrink it's unrealistic to think that we can prosper with this current over saturation of municipalities. I know it isn't perfect but it is a start. I honestly thought of this in 5 minutes lol.
March 11, 20187 yr I like that concept. I had a similar idea for the regions of the state and typed it up for an Op-ed: Why not combine Ohio's 88 counties into 5? Ohio started with 9 counties when founded in 1802 and has slowly added to its numbers, with Noble County the last created in 1851. Most counties are small, with 60 having populations under 100,000 and the average size being 509 square miles. Compare this with Maricopa County in Arizona; its population is 4.2 million and it covers 9224 sq. miles. The five counties would be based on the cultural and economic regional divisions that have made Ohio such an accurate bell weather state: Northeast (with Cleveland being the county seat,) Northeast (Toledo,) Central (Columbus), Southeast (Zanesville,) and Southwest (Cincinnati). None of these counties would have the population size as Maricopa County with the largest being the new Northeast County with 3.8 million residents. The duties of the city; education, policing, and firefighting, would not be affected and would remain independent. Instead, these new mega counties could handle responsibilities similar to the Metropolitan Council in Minnesota: transportation, community/economic development, water, and sewage. The Metropolitan Council has allowed the Minneapolis /St Paul region to flourish economically with a great transportation system and continual population growth. The opposition would be strong, especially from the county governments that will lose power, but the benefits would be vast. Economies of scale in government would reduce duplicate county executives and positions, streamline services, and lower the cost and layers of government bureaucracy. The larger counties would connect the economic drivers within the cities with the larger metro populations that surround them; this link would help all areas work to rise together. It would allow the regions to market themselves as a whole instead of small clusters of population centers. It would put a stop to cities poaching companies from one another. Finally, it would balance the progressive push of the cities with the more conservative reserve of the suburbs and exurbs while allowing the cities and towns to still control their own local affairs. Ohio needs a change to excel as it once did. Allowing the counties in our 5 great regions to consolidate will allow Ohio to expand on its strengths, cut out the dozens of fiefdoms or government bureaucracy, all the while keeping our cities independent and flexible. Together, both urban and rural areas across this great State; let us gather the political will to make this bold step that will push us into the future.
March 11, 20187 yr I've been thinking about how Cleveland could regionalize. We could do a hybrid borough system. Split the 50+ municipalities into 5 "boroughs", calling them; North Cleveland, East Cleveland, West Cleveland, South Cleveland and Cleveland. To start, the mayors of the largest suburbs could be the presidents of those boroughs to start off, with the smaller town mayors being council members of those boroughs. The boroughs would contain 10-12 towns, villages, cities etc based of their location in the county. Northern suburbs would be North Cleveland etc. This is an idea to condense the county while not fully taking too much power (ego) away from existing mayors etc. The county DESPERATELY needs something like this to happen, with the population shrink it's unrealistic to think that we can prosper with this current over saturation of municipalities. I know it isn't perfect but it is a start. I honestly thought of this in 5 minutes lol. I've always liked the idea of a borough system but I am not sure if this is permitted in Ohio law.
March 11, 20187 yr What do you think the public perception of Cleveland would be if nothing changed except the nominal borders? How about we make all of Cuyahoga County the City of Cleveland. We could even keep each city as a "borough" and let them each keep their own police department, fire department, "borough council", "borough mayor", "borough pride", whatever. School districts would stay the same. Basically what Indianapolis did. Nothing else changes. Overnight we would become the 9th largest city in the country (and still 4 cities in the top 10 would have a larger land area than us). We would have the lowest murder rate in the entire country (9 times lower than New York City's lauded murder rate and slipping just under El Paso, Texas and Lincoln, Nebraska into the #1 spot). We would have a median household income of $45,000, and a city unemployment rate under 7%. We would have huge "livable city neighborhoods" like the "borough of Cleveland Heights" and the "borough of Lakewood" and the "borough of Shaker Heights" and the "borough of Rocky River" and the "borough of Chagrin Falls", etc. We would have multiple major employment centers, all within the city limits. We would be the new hotness! Obviously, I'm all for the borough idea!
March 11, 20187 yr What about creating metropolitan counties and devolving certain state level powers to them? I could envision six metropolitan counties: Cleveland/Akron (Cleveland MSA + Akron MSA), Columbus (MSA), Cincinnati (Ohio portion of the MSA), Toledo (MSA), Dayton (MSA), and Youngstown/Warren (Mahoning + Trumbull). The metropolitan counties would have control over (proportional) transportation money and labor standards, which are two things that have created a lot of tension between the urban and rural areas of the state. Devolving these powers to the metropolitan counties (the rural counties would be subject to state law) would allow the cities to behave like cities and compete nationally and globally.
March 20, 20187 yr 2017 county and metro population estimates will be released Thursday morning. Should be interesting to get a look at, https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/metro-county-popestimates.html The previously released statewide total estimate for Ohio in 2017 was 11,658,609, +36,055 from 2016, or +122,105 from the 2010 census
March 21, 20187 yr 2017 county and metro population estimates will be released Thursday morning. Should be interesting to get a look at, https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/metro-county-popestimates.html The previously released statewide total estimate for Ohio in 2017 was 11,658,609, +36,055 from 2016, or +122,105 from the 2010 census Let’s be honest... Columbus likely accounts for most of that, with Cincinnati second. I doubt we’ll see any major surprises. Columbus’ metro will have passed Cleveland, but other than that, same story as it’s been for a while.
March 21, 20187 yr 2017 county and metro population estimates will be released Thursday morning. Should be interesting to get a look at, https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/metro-county-popestimates.html The previously released statewide total estimate for Ohio in 2017 was 11,658,609, +36,055 from 2016, or +122,105 from the 2010 census Let’s be honest... Columbus likely accounts for most of that, with Cincinnati second. I doubt we’ll see any major surprises. Columbus’ metro will have passed Cleveland, but other than that, same story as it’s been for a while. Things will change over time, they always do..
March 21, 20187 yr 2017 county and metro population estimates will be released Thursday morning. Should be interesting to get a look at, https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/metro-county-popestimates.html The previously released statewide total estimate for Ohio in 2017 was 11,658,609, +36,055 from 2016, or +122,105 from the 2010 census Let’s be honest... Columbus likely accounts for most of that, with Cincinnati second. I doubt we’ll see any major surprises. Columbus’ metro will have passed Cleveland, but other than that, same story as it’s been for a while. Don't jinx us now lol. I hope everyone does well around the state. There will be enough pissing and moaning (especially on other sites)as it is.
March 21, 20187 yr Don't jinx us now lol. I hope everyone does well around the state. There will be enough pissing and moaning (especially on other sites)as it is. There are other sites? Lol Very Stable Genius
March 21, 20187 yr I just had a bizarre moment of coincidence. Literally right after reading this and the Cleveland thread discussing increasing numbers of people moving from other states, my coworker (in NY) turns to me and starts talking about how she's looking for a house and she's tired of living in NYC (as am I). I ask her where she is thinking without mentioning any particular state. Her response? "Dayton, Ohio." I was completely thunderstruck. And before anyone asks, yes, I tried to talk it up as much as possible.
March 21, 20187 yr Don't jinx us now lol. I hope everyone does well around the state. There will be enough pissing and moaning (especially on other sites)as it is. There are other sites? Lol Well none as excellent as this one with such erudite posters and fair and unbiased moderation of course. [ /slopping sugar]
March 22, 20187 yr I just had a bizarre moment of coincidence. Literally right after reading this and the Cleveland thread discussing increasing numbers of people moving from other states, my coworker (in NY) turns to me and starts talking about how she's looking for a house and she's tired of living in NYC (as am I). I ask her where she is thinking without mentioning any particular state. Her response? "Dayton, Ohio." I was completely thunderstruck. And before anyone asks, yes, I tried to talk it up as much as possible. Good pick on her part ;) Not to simply volunteer ColDayMan[/member] but I'm sure that he (along with myself) would be happy to give a tour if she's ever checking out the area! “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
March 22, 20187 yr All honesty, I don't have a clue why people would want to move anywhere in Ohio except Cleveland. Outside of not having a good resume.
March 22, 20187 yr Lol so you're trying to get this thread locked right before the data is released??
March 22, 20187 yr The numbers aren't fully out yet, but Cuyahoga County made the top 10 list... for biggest numeric population decrease. 2016: 1,253,45 2017: 1,248,514 Change: -4,940 This was the 3rd largest county decrease in the nation.
March 22, 20187 yr Metro Numbers Akron Summit: 541,228 +834 Portage: 162,277 +115 Total: 703,505 +949 Canton Stark: 372,542 -986 Carroll: 27,385 -252 Total: 399,927 -1,238 Cincinnati Hamilton: 813,822 +3,735 Butler: 380,604 +2,671 Warren: 228,882 +2,406 Clermont: 204,214 +1,198 Brown: 43,576 -68 Dearborn, IN: 49,741 +270 Franklin, IN: 22,619 -106 Ohio, IN: 5,828 -60 Kenton, KY: 165,399 +803 Boone, KY: 130,728 +1,574 Campbell, KY: 92,488 +454 Grant, KY: 14,573 +76 Pendleton, KY: 14,573 -3 Gallatin, KY: 8,776 +48 Bracken, KY: 8,267 -83 Total: 2,194,501 +12,915 Cleveland Cuyahoga: 1,248,514 -4,940 Lorain: 307,924 +1,334 Lake: 230,117 +847 Medina: 178,371 +1,468 Geauga: 93,918 +70 Total: 2,058,844 -1,221 Columbus Franklin: 1,291,981 +21,983 Delaware: 200,464 +3,687 Licking: 173,448 +1,626 Fairfield: 154,733 +2,052 Pickaway: 57,830 +300 Union: 56,741 +1,285 Madison: 44,036 +682 Perry: 36,024 +5 Morrow: 34,994 +40 Hocking: 28,474 +88 Total: 2,078,725 +31,748 Dayton Montgomery: 531,542 +147 Greene: 166,752 +1,643 Miami: 105,122 +740 Total: 803,416 +2,530 Toledo Lucas: 430,887 -1,675 Wood: 130,492 +788 Fulton: 42,289 -36 Total: 603,668 -923 Youngstown Mahoning: 229,796 -373 Trumbull: 200,380 -1,321 Total: 430,176 -1,694
March 22, 20187 yr Top 25 Largest Ohio Counties, and Size Rank Change from 2016, if any. 1. Franklin: 1,291,981 2. Cuyahoga: 1,248,514 3. Hamilton: 813,822 4. Summit: 541,228 5. Montgomery: 531,542 6. Lucas: 430,887 7. Butler: 380,604 8. Stark: 372,542 9. Lorain: 307,924 10. Lake: 230,117 +1 11. Mahoning: 229,796 -1 12. Warren: 228,882 13. Clermont: 204,214 14. Delaware: 200,464 +1 15. Trumbull: 200,380 -1 16. Medina: 178,371 17. Licking: 173,448 18. Greene: 166,752 19. Portage: 162,277 20. Fairfield: 154,733 21. Clark: 134,557 22. Wood: 130,492 23. Richland: 120,589 24. Wayne: 116,038 25. Miami: 105,122
March 22, 20187 yr Of note, the year-over-year growth total for Franklin County looks to be the highest of all time. I have yearly growth totals going back to 1970, and there was no other year close. Before that, growth rates were generally much slower. The metro's more than 31K growth total also appears to be the highest on record, at least in a year when metro area limits didn't add counties.
March 22, 20187 yr Things will change over time, they always do.. Well, you were right. Columbus growth increased from 1.2% to 1.6%; a 33% increase.
March 22, 20187 yr Overall, the numbers are good. 50% of Ohio’s metros grew, more Ohio counties saw growth, and the areas that saw losses were generally slower losses than the year before.
March 22, 20187 yr While I'm happy Metro Dayton posted positive growth (3rd highest in the state, what?), I'm still shocked Montgomery County actually grew. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 22, 20187 yr Am I missing something here? I thought Cuyahoga County's population as of 2016 was 1,249,352 which would put the population loss only at 838. Which would also mean the MSA had a net population gain. Brand new so I don't know how to post links, but see the cleveland.com article from a year ago on the census release.
March 22, 20187 yr Am I missing something here? I thought Cuyahoga County's population as of 2016 was 1,249,352 which would put the population loss only at 838. Which would also mean the MSA had a net population gain. Brand new so I don't know how to post links, but see the cleveland.com article from a year ago on the census release. He's right, the 2016 estimate for Cuyahoga Co was 1,249,352 https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2017/cb17-44.html
March 22, 20187 yr While I'm happy Metro Dayton posted positive growth (3rd highest in the state, what?), I'm still shocked Montgomery County actually grew. I guess all those ugly Charlie Simms condos downtown are starting to pay dividends! “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
March 22, 20187 yr Am I missing something here? I thought Cuyahoga County's population as of 2016 was 1,249,352 which would put the population loss only at 838. Which would also mean the MSA had a net population gain. Brand new so I don't know how to post links, but see the cleveland.com article from a year ago on the census release. Previous year estimates are usually adjusted when new ones come out.
March 22, 20187 yr Am I missing something here? I thought Cuyahoga County's population as of 2016 was 1,249,352 which would put the population loss only at 838. Which would also mean the MSA had a net population gain. Brand new so I don't know how to post links, but see the cleveland.com article from a year ago on the census release. Previous year estimates are usually adjusted when new ones come out. Estimates are not adjusted..
March 22, 20187 yr Am I missing something here? I thought Cuyahoga County's population as of 2016 was 1,249,352 which would put the population loss only at 838. Which would also mean the MSA had a net population gain. Brand new so I don't know how to post links, but see the cleveland.com article from a year ago on the census release. Good catch- that would put a gain for the region of 2,881 people for the year '16. Any gain for the region is better than the opposite.
March 22, 20187 yr I just had a bizarre moment of coincidence. Literally right after reading this and the Cleveland thread discussing increasing numbers of people moving from other states, my coworker (in NY) turns to me and starts talking about how she's looking for a house and she's tired of living in NYC (as am I). I ask her where she is thinking without mentioning any particular state. Her response? "Dayton, Ohio." I was completely thunderstruck. And before anyone asks, yes, I tried to talk it up as much as possible. Good pick on her part ;) Not to simply volunteer ColDayMan[/member] but I'm sure that he (along with myself) would be happy to give a tour if she's ever checking out the area! I will absolutely let you all know if she decides to follow through! Having received a ColDayMan tour in the past (albeit AGES ago and of Columbus) I am sure that with all the things going on now she would find something to like. I mean, I'll just say this: when my parents first mentioned moving from Centerville to South Park I thought they were joking, not because I don't have faith in South Park, but they were just people I never thought would ever consider living in the city. Sure enough, they are living in South Park and love it. I made sure to pass her that little tidbit as well! ;-)
March 22, 20187 yr Am I missing something here? I thought Cuyahoga County's population as of 2016 was 1,249,352 which would put the population loss only at 838. Which would also mean the MSA had a net population gain. Brand new so I don't know how to post links, but see the cleveland.com article from a year ago on the census release. Previous year estimates are usually adjusted when new ones come out. Estimates are not adjusted.. Yes, they are. No conspiracy guys. Check out the Cleveland.com county map for the 2017 numbers if you think it’s not true. Sorry but Cleveland didn’t grow.
March 22, 20187 yr That makes sense. Didn't think there was a conspiracy just had no idea that they adjust the previous year's estimates when the new one comes out. Thanks!
March 22, 20187 yr Welcome, cle_guy90[/member] "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr Am I missing something here? I thought Cuyahoga County's population as of 2016 was 1,249,352 which would put the population loss only at 838. Which would also mean the MSA had a net population gain. Brand new so I don't know how to post links, but see the cleveland.com article from a year ago on the census release. Previous year estimates are usually adjusted when new ones come out. Estimates are not adjusted.. Yes, they are. No conspiracy guys. Check out the Cleveland.com county map for the 2017 numbers if you think it’s not true. Sorry but Cleveland didn’t grow. Yet..
March 22, 20187 yr New Census finding: Ohio posts biggest migration gain in seven years Ohio appears to have stemmed the tide of people leaving for opportunities elsewhere, as the state had the largest net migration and smallest domestic migration loss in more than seven years, according to newly released U.S. Census population estimates. The data shows Ohio gained a net of 36,055 people from July 1, 2016, to July 1, 2017, the period for which the census conducts its annual estimates. In past years, gains in local population have been mostly attributable to more people being born than dying, and to immigrants movingto the state. Domestic migration — people moving within the U.S. — has mostly flowed out of the state. The nine-county region around Dayton lost nearly 5,000 people through out-migration from 2011 to 2012, for example. Warren County, meanwhile, was the only local county to gain population through domestic migration during those years. But this past year was a different story. The region gained more than 1,700 people from other states or other parts of Ohio, and Butler, Clark, Champaign, Greene, Miami, Preble and Warren counties all saw domestic gains — some for the first time in a decade. More below: https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/new-census-finding-ohio-posts-biggest-migration-gain-seven-years/in6rzkg6UnvG8PhhavK4lK/ “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
March 22, 20187 yr The numbers aren't fully out yet, but Cuyahoga County made the top 10 list... for biggest numeric population decrease. 2016: 1,253,45 2017: 1,248,514 Change: -4,940 This was the 3rd largest county decrease in the nation. Your hatred for Cleveland shows every time you talk about the place. I get it you go back and forth with several Cleveland posters on other sites, but again, I don't get why you talk so negatively about a city you know literally nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear about this. And if you don't think this post I quoted you in doesn't reek of being smart, try reading it from an outsiders perspective. "Made a top 10 list..." Don't troll, it doesn't look good.
March 22, 20187 yr The numbers aren't fully out yet, but Cuyahoga County made the top 10 list... for biggest numeric population decrease. 2016: 1,253,45 2017: 1,248,514 Change: -4,940 This was the 3rd largest county decrease in the nation. Your hatred for Cleveland shows every time you talk about the place. I get it you go back and forth with several Cleveland posters on other sites, but again, I don't get why you talk so negatively about a city you know literally nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear about this. And if you don't think this post I quoted you in doesn't reek of being smart, try reading it from an outsiders perspective. "Made a top 10 list..." Don't troll, it doesn't look good. Don’t feed the trolls!
March 22, 20187 yr The numbers aren't fully out yet, but Cuyahoga County made the top 10 list... for biggest numeric population decrease. 2016: 1,253,45 2017: 1,248,514 Change: -4,940 This was the 3rd largest county decrease in the nation. Your hatred for Cleveland shows every time you talk about the place. I get it you go back and forth with several Cleveland posters on other sites, but again, I don't get why you talk so negatively about a city you know literally nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear about this. And if you don't think this post I quoted you in doesn't reek of being smart, try reading it from an outsiders perspective. "Made a top 10 list..." Don't troll, it doesn't look good. I'm done wasting my time with people like him/her. It's not worth it. Just wait until the tables turn, because they most certainly will someday.
March 22, 20187 yr The numbers aren't fully out yet, but Cuyahoga County made the top 10 list... for biggest numeric population decrease. 2016: 1,253,45 2017: 1,248,514 Change: -4,940 This was the 3rd largest county decrease in the nation. Your hatred for Cleveland shows every time you talk about the place. I get it you go back and forth with several Cleveland posters on other sites, but again, I don't get why you talk so negatively about a city you know literally nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear about this. And if you don't think this post I quoted you in doesn't reek of being smart, try reading it from an outsiders perspective. "Made a top 10 list..." Don't troll, it doesn't look good. Don’t feed the trolls! The numbers aren't fully out yet, but Cuyahoga County made the top 10 list... for biggest numeric population decrease. 2016: 1,253,45 2017: 1,248,514 Change: -4,940 This was the 3rd largest county decrease in the nation. Your hatred for Cleveland shows every time you talk about the place. I get it you go back and forth with several Cleveland posters on other sites, but again, I don't get why you talk so negatively about a city you know literally nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear about this. And if you don't think this post I quoted you in doesn't reek of being smart, try reading it from an outsiders perspective. "Made a top 10 list..." Don't troll, it doesn't look good. Don’t feed the trolls! This one was worth calling out! I'm truly curious to hear what they have to say in this instance. This isn't CD, an educated response is what I am looking for. If that's not too hard for them.
March 22, 20187 yr http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180322/columbus-metro-area-now-bigger-than-that-of-cleveland-and-gaining-on-cincinnati/1 New census estimates released Thursday say the growing Columbus metro area now has more people than the Cleveland metro area. The score: Columbus, 2,078,725 over Cleveland, 2,058,844. The five-fastest growing counties (on a YoY % basis) are all in central Ohio. Very Stable Genius
March 22, 20187 yr Didn't know we were keeping score...I really hate this thread. It always turns into a pissing contest.
March 22, 20187 yr Yet Cuyahoga County, which is smaller in area than Franklin County, remains far more densely populated. There are 2,731 people per square mile in Cuyahoga County versus 2,428 per square mile in Franklin County. http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2018/03/cuyahoga_county_no_3_nationall.html#incart_m-rpt-1
March 22, 20187 yr http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180322/columbus-metro-area-now-bigger-than-that-of-cleveland-and-gaining-on-cincinnati/1 New census estimates released Thursday say the growing Columbus metro area now has more people than the Cleveland metro area. The score: Columbus, 2,078,725 over Cleveland, 2,058,844. The five-fastest growing counties (on a YoY % basis) are all in central Ohio. I didn't know we were doing THAT well, especially Madison and Fairfield. I do see a ton of warehouses going up on U.S. 40 in Madison County.
March 22, 20187 yr Yet Cuyahoga County, which is smaller in area than Franklin County, remains far more densely populated. There are 2,731 people per square mile in Cuyahoga County versus 2,428 per square mile in Franklin County. http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2018/03/cuyahoga_county_no_3_nationall.html#incart_m-rpt-1 That's an irrelevant statistic. One-third of Hamilton County is rural because it doesn't have sewers because it's in a different watershed than the City of Cincinnati. Cincinnati and the NKY flood plain cities were much more densely populated in the 1800s than Cleveland ever was. Big deal. That was the past.
March 22, 20187 yr I wouldn't say it's irrelevant. It can become skewed if you have lots of rural areas like you mention with Hamilton County, but it's certainly relevant if the entire county is a contiguous urban area like Cuyahoga is and like Franklin is getting very close to being. I wonder if you took the inner 75% of Franklin County, what the population density would be compared to Cuyahoga. (Excluding mainly the areas on the western and southern edges of the county)
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