52 minutes ago, aderwent said:

This link was just posted in my SSP thread. Very good visualization of the data I posted. It has way more info, too. You could spend hours perusing. Also, it answers my question to whether this data is from 2010 Urban Area boundaries or if it includes what will likely be the boundaries in 2020. It's the latter.

 

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/40000US19234-columbus-oh-urbanized-area/

 

Awesome link. Thanks for posting. 

 

After just a few minutes of messing around, I have noticed how much smaller the Columbus urban area is than Cleveland and Cincinnati. It's about 250 square miles smaller but is about 800 people/square mile more dense than Cincinnati and about 700 people/square mile more dense than Cleveland. It will be interesting to see how the urban area density in Columbus changes as Delaware County is built up and included in the urban area as well as other ever-expanding suburbs. 

 

Also, Columbus is very fertile. 

Edited July 2, 20195 yr by cbussoccer
Add additional point.

37 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

After just a few minutes of messing around, I have noticed how much smaller the Columbus urban area is than Cleveland and Cincinnati.

 

 

Crazy that Indian Hill is so thinly populated that it could be better described as Indian Hole: 

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/40000US16885-cincinnati-oh-ky-in-urbanized-area/

 

Indian Hill is such a barrier that the suburbs beyond it are thinly developed because they are so far from everything because they successfully blocked the extension of Cross County Highway across their bucolic wonderland to the eastern reaches of the county.  

 

We've been over this a million times elsewhere but the city parts of Cincinnati are without a doubt significantly more dense than the denser parts of Columbus because the prevailing lot size of 25x90 (and smaller) hardly exists in Columbus or Cleveland and many old multifamilies in Cincinnati extend almost to the rear lot line.   

 

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

We've been over this a million times elsewhere but the city parts of Cincinnati are without a doubt significantly more dense than the denser parts of Columbus  

 

 

 

 

 

While this is true, Columbus also has a few small areas around campus that are more densely populated than any other areas in the state. But yes, you can cut each city up in different ways to show that X is more dense than Y and A is more dense than B. 

40 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

 

Crazy that Indian Hill is so thinly populated that it could be better described as Indian Hole: 

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/40000US16885-cincinnati-oh-ky-in-urbanized-area/

 

Indian Hill is such a barrier that the suburbs beyond it are thinly developed because they are so far from everything because they successfully blocked the extension of Cross County Highway across their bucolic wonderland to the eastern reaches of the county.  

 

We've been over this a million times elsewhere but the city parts of Cincinnati are without a doubt significantly more dense than the denser parts of Columbus because the prevailing lot size of 25x90 (and smaller) hardly exists in Columbus or Cleveland and many old multifamilies in Cincinnati extend almost to the rear lot line.   

 

 

 

 

 

If you're talking about building density, yes, but not by population.  There are no areas of Cincinnati that beat Columbus' areas of greatest population density.  Most of Columbus is also getting more dense, both by building and population.  Cincinnati only has some areas like that, mostly concentrated in areas around Downtown and OTR.

30 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

While this is true, Columbus also has a few small areas around campus that are more densely populated than any other areas in the state. But yes, you can cut each city up in different ways to show that X is more dense than Y and A is more dense than B. 

 

Columbus bulldozed so much of its building density, it's hard to imagine.  I saw these photos of the Capital South area of Downtown from the late 1970s-early 1980s and it's just a wasteland.  There were very few neighborhoods that were not left pockmarked by frenzied demolition.  It's all come so far since then, but the low point was very, very low. 

What's even more incredible is that the city was building parking garages at this time.  As if they needed more parking.  There were at least 70,000 or more parking spots Downtown by the early 1980s, roughly a little more than double what there are now.

Edited July 2, 20195 yr by jonoh81

Ugh, I remember that. Like you can't even tell where you are in the second pic since there is so little sense of place.

22 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Columbus bulldozed so much of its building density, it's hard to imagine.  I saw these photos of the Capital South area of Downtown from the late 1970s-early 1980s and it's just a wasteland.  There were very few neighborhoods that were not left pockmarked by frenzied demolition.  It's all come so far since then, but the low point was very, very low. 

What's even more incredible is that the city was building parking garages at this time.  As if they needed more parking.  There were at least 70,000 or more parking spots Downtown by the early 1980s, roughly 100% more than there are now.

 

 

 

Oh what I would give to see that old City Center Garage demo'd. Not only is it trash architecture, it creates the largest dead zone in an area with some of the highest potential. 

 

Ugh, I digress.

Edited July 2, 20195 yr by DevolsDance

10 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Oh what I would give to see that old City Center Garage demo'd. Not only is it trash architecture, it creates the largest dead zone in an area with some of the highest potential. 

 

Ugh, I digress.

 

Originally, there were supposed to be residential towers built on top.  I think there was a financing problem for Downtown housing at the time, and there were also issues with state codes that required expensive fire prevention systems to be added to the garage as well, so the whole project fell through.  I am not sure if the garage ended up being built to handle upward development, though.  There are other garages around the Downtown that were, though, including on Front Street.  Sooner or later, I would expect that to happen with at least some of them.

18 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Columbus is much, much more of a "real city" than Nashville.  Like 100x more.  And that's in a state where it is #3 in that realm behind Cincinnati and Cleveland, which each smoke Nashville or Charlotte so far as being legit cities with a real sense of place. 

 

 

Who or what is the arbiter of a "legit city?"

38 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Who or what is the arbiter of a "legit city?"

 

Myself and everyone who isn't a Sunbelt Apologist.  

1 hour ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Oh what I would give to see that old City Center Garage demo'd. Not only is it trash architecture, it creates the largest dead zone in an area with some of the highest potential. 

 

Ugh, I digress.

 

Jesus... I've always wondered why downtown Columbus had so much empty lots. I guess this pic explains why.

6 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Jesus... I've always wondered why downtown Columbus had so much empty lots. I guess this pic explains why.

 

When you understand the state of downtown Columbus just ten years ago it really puts the current state of downtown in perspective. Things have come a long way in just 10 years. 

Interesting data I came across today. Circular Area Profiles has a cool function where one can determine the population from a particular city at a desired radius. Comparing Youngstown and Columbus from the city center and Youngstown remains larger at a 50 mile radius. Youngstown- 2,579,888 and Columbus - 2,425,855. Obviously with Columbus's explosive growth and Youngstown's continued decline these numbers will be quickly flipped, but are interesting nonetheless. 

Youngstown doesn't have a nearly-empty Western Franklin County, sparse Madison, Pickaway and Fayette and semi-rural Fairfield Counties surrounding it, so don't be surprised if it holds its own. If you are 2 miles west of 270 you might as well be in Darke County.

10 hours ago, bwheats said:

Interesting data I came across today. Circular Area Profiles has a cool function where one can determine the population from a particular city at a desired radius. Comparing Youngstown and Columbus from the city center and Youngstown remains larger at a 50 mile radius. Youngstown- 2,579,888 and Columbus - 2,425,855. Obviously with Columbus's explosive growth and Youngstown's continued decline these numbers will be quickly flipped, but are interesting nonetheless. 

 

This is a bit interesting, although somewhat meaningless. A 50 mile radius is quite a large radius. If you go 50 miles northwest of Youngstown, you are in Cleveland. If you go 50 miles southeast of Youngstown, you are in Pittsburgh. The portion of the '50 mile radius from Youngstown' population that lives in Cleveland and Pittsburgh is pretty meaningless to the city of Youngstown because they aren't interacting with Youngstown for much of anything. On the flip side, the portion of the '50 mile radius from Columbus' population that lives on the outer edges of that radius do actually have an impact on Columbus because many of them regularly travel to Columbus for work, recreation, etc. It's an interesting metric to look at nonetheless. 

 

For some perspective, here are the stats for the tiny town of Sparta, Kentucky. As you can see, the 50 mile radius population is not much smaller than Columbus and Youngstown; however, the town is so small it doesn't even have a stoplight. It's 2.3M 50 mile radius population is a result of its proximity to Cincinnati, Louisville, and Lexington. 

 

For even more perspective, here are the stats for good old Newark, Ohio. Nobody would ever consider Newark to be anywhere near the size of Columbus, but when looking at a 50 mile radius, its population is only about 100k smaller than Columbus. 

 

Now excuse me while I waste way too much time playing with the Circular Area Profiles for various locations lol.

11 hours ago, bwheats said:

Interesting data I came across today. Circular Area Profiles has a cool function where one can determine the population from a particular city at a desired radius. Comparing Youngstown and Columbus from the city center and Youngstown remains larger at a 50 mile radius. Youngstown- 2,579,888 and Columbus - 2,425,855. Obviously with Columbus's explosive growth and Youngstown's continued decline these numbers will be quickly flipped, but are interesting nonetheless. 

 

Columbus is the fastest-growing city in the area but still significantly less than other mid-sized booming cities like Austin and Charlotte and Nashville. 

 

Columbus definitely has significantly more prewar city than do Charlotte or Nashville, so there is less new construction than there would be otherwise since there was a lot of depressed housing and depressed areas to re-populate. 

 

Cincinnati is growing at half the rate of Columbus but has at least 2x as much prewar city + tons and tons of immediate postwar starter homes.  New suburban home construction is no longer taking the form of giant 200+ home subdvisions but rather individual streets of 40~ homes, scattered here and there, since the banks won't put up the money like they did before 2007.  This has created a market for small flipped homes in previously barely-surviving neighborhoods.  It's going to be another 5-10 years before we see a large-scale housing crisis in Cincinnati because there are still a few completely untouched neighborhoods plus thousands upon thousands of "starter" homes lurking out there with wood panel interiors and hot cape cod attics. 

 

Those pictures of Columbus...Ugh all of the 3 C's have lost so much built environment. Imagine if rapid suburbanization never occurred. Ohio would be a powerhouse of urbanity rivaling the Bos-Wash corridor.

3 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

Those pictures of Columbus...Ugh all of the 3 C's have lost so much built environment. Imagine if rapid suburbanization never occurred. Ohio would be a powerhouse of urbanity rivaling the Bos-Wash corridor.

 

Still blows my mind in some ways that Over the Rhine survived and still stands today.

16 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Still blows my mind in some ways that Over the Rhine survived and still stands today.

 

Just wish we could've saved the West End too.

3 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Just wish we could've saved the West End too.

This is how I feel about the warehouse district in Cleveland. I feel lucky half of it is still standing, but on the other hand half is demoed and to this day is just a sea of parking. It's truly the last major gap in Cleveland's downtown. 

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

A 50 mile radius is quite a large radius. If you go 50 miles northwest of Youngstown, you are in Cleveland. If you go 50 miles southeast of Youngstown, you are in Pittsburgh.

 

I think a 25 mile radius is more useful. Here are a few cities to compare:

 

Cleveland - 1,861,867

Cincinnati - 1,801,156

Columbus - 1,655,710

Akron - 1,597,667

Dayton - 1,091,476

Canton - 1,002,288

Toledo - 723,495

Youngstown - 655,999

 

Outside of Ohio: 

 

New York - 14,315,688

LA - 9,961,738

Chicago - 5,669,136

DC - 4,942,041

Philly - 4,730,796

Boston - 3,685,511

San Fran - 3,595,391

Detroit - 3,177,458

Baltimore - 2,755,994

Wilmington, DE - 2,412,620

Pittsburgh - 1,798,991

Indy - 1,692,290

Nashville - 1,263,024

Louisville - 1,156,615

Buffalo - 1,096,028

6 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I think a 25 mile radius is more useful. Here are a few cities to compare:

 

 

I don't think you can arbitrarily determine a specific radius and then compare all cities to each other using that set radius because cities differ so drastically in the way they are have been built up over the years. 

 

Why not use 20 miles instead of 25? At that distance, the 3Cs are practically equal in population. Why not 15? At that distance, Columbus is actually than Cleveland and Cincinnati by a decent amount. 

 

There is really no real way to perfectly compare different cities when it comes to population because there are way too many variables. All you can do is look at multiple different metrics and consider the differences between each city across all metrics to get a feel for which city is larger or smaller. 

51 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Columbus is the fastest-growing city in the area but still significantly less than other mid-sized booming cities like Austin and Charlotte and Nashville. 

 

Columbus definitely has significantly more prewar city than do Charlotte or Nashville, so there is less new construction than there would be otherwise since there was a lot of depressed housing and depressed areas to re-populate. 

 

Cincinnati is growing at half the rate of Columbus but has at least 2x as much prewar city + tons and tons of immediate postwar starter homes.  New suburban home construction is no longer taking the form of giant 200+ home subdvisions but rather individual streets of 40~ homes, scattered here and there, since the banks won't put up the money like they did before 2007.  This has created a market for small flipped homes in previously barely-surviving neighborhoods.  It's going to be another 5-10 years before we see a large-scale housing crisis in Cincinnati because there are still a few completely untouched neighborhoods plus thousands upon thousands of "starter" homes lurking out there with wood panel interiors and hot cape cod attics. 

 

 

Are you talking city or metro?  Columbus easily beats Nashville in city growth, even though Nashville includes most of its home county.  Columbus beat Austin in city growth in 2017 and was closer in 2018 than most previous years.  Charlotte and Columbus grew almost exactly the same last year.  All the Sun Belt cites are significantly large in area size than Columbus.  In metro growth, they are obviously faster. The difference with Columbus and the Sun Belt cities is that Franklin County attracts by far the largest % of its metro growth, and the city itself the largest % of the metro growth.  Most people moving to these Sun Belt cities are moving to the far-flung exurban areas. 

Nashville, which is again includes most of its home county due to a merger, attracted just 12% of the total metro growth last year.  Columbus attracts almost 4x that percentage, double Austin and 50% more than Charlotte. 

 

Cincinnati had, in 2017, 80,587 buildings built before 1949, while Columbus had 66,508.  Not quite double.  I consider Columbus' number even more impressive just considering that they bulldozed so much over the years, and its highway system was far more destructive.

 

35 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I don't think you can arbitrarily determine a specific radius and then compare all cities to each other using that set radius because cities differ so drastically in the way they are have been built up over the years. 

 

Why not use 20 miles instead of 25? At that distance, the 3Cs are practically equal in population. Why not 15? At that distance, Columbus is actually than Cleveland and Cincinnati by a decent amount. 

 

There is really no real way to perfectly compare different cities when it comes to population because there are way too many variables. All you can do is look at multiple different metrics and consider the differences between each city across all metrics to get a feel for which city is larger or smaller. 

 

Ultimately it is pretty arbitrary. I thought about using 20, but looking at a map it didn't seem to do a very good job of capturing all the places that people consider to be "Columbus" or "Cincinnati" or "Cleveland." So I bumped it up to 25. I think you could make an argument for 30 or any other arbitrary number. I do think, however, that 15 doesn't really make sense. At that distance you're leaving out Pataskala, parts of New Albany, and large chunks of Delaware County. In Cincy, you'd be leaving out Mason, West Chester, and Fairfield. 

 

In the end, I thought it'd be fun to have a look and compare some places. If you think 15 or 20 miles makes more sense, then by all means please do the analysis and share it. I'd love to see it. 

6 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Ultimately it is pretty arbitrary. I thought about using 20, but looking at a map it didn't seem to do a very good job of capturing all the places that people consider to be "Columbus" or "Cincinnati" or "Cleveland." So I bumped it up to 25. I think you could make an argument for 30 or any other arbitrary number. I do think, however, that 15 doesn't really make sense. At that distance you're leaving out Pataskala, parts of New Albany, and large chunks of Delaware County. In Cincy, you'd be leaving out Mason, West Chester, and Fairfield. 

 

In the end, I thought it'd be fun to have a look and compare some places. If you think 15 or 20 miles makes more sense, then by all means please do the analysis and share it. I'd love to see it. 

 

It's hard to compare areas by a uniform geographical shape.  For instance, any circular area with downtown as the center will be about 35-40% water for Cleveland.  IMO, urbanized area is probably the best way we have to do these comparisons.

Edited July 10, 20195 yr by jam40jeff

Just now, DEPACincy said:

 

Ultimately it is pretty arbitrary. I thought about using 20, but looking at a map it didn't seem to do a very good job of capturing all the places that people consider to be "Columbus" or "Cincinnati" or "Cleveland." So I bumped it up to 25. I think you could make an argument for 30 or any other arbitrary number. I do think, however, that 15 doesn't really make sense. At that distance you're leaving out Pataskala, parts of New Albany, and large chunks of Delaware County. In Cincy, you'd be leaving out Mason, West Chester, and Fairfield. 

 

In the end, I thought it'd be fun to have a look and compare some places. If you think 15 or 20 miles makes more sense, then by all means please do the analysis and share it. I'd love to see it. 

 

It's definitely fun. I could spend all day slicing and dicing different cities and comparing them. 

 

Your first paragraph is exactly what I was getting at with my previous post though. You were forced to move your radius around because city X has grown and expanded in a different way than city Y. 

2 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Columbus is the fastest-growing city in the area but still significantly less than other mid-sized booming cities like Austin and Charlotte and Nashville. 

 

Columbus definitely has significantly more prewar city than do Charlotte or Nashville, so there is less new construction than there would be otherwise since there was a lot of depressed housing and depressed areas to re-populate. 

 

Cincinnati is growing at half the rate of Columbus but has at least 2x as much prewar city + tons and tons of immediate postwar starter homes.  New suburban home construction is no longer taking the form of giant 200+ home subdvisions but rather individual streets of 40~ homes, scattered here and there, since the banks won't put up the money like they did before 2007.  This has created a market for small flipped homes in previously barely-surviving neighborhoods.  It's going to be another 5-10 years before we see a large-scale housing crisis in Cincinnati because there are still a few completely untouched neighborhoods plus thousands upon thousands of "starter" homes lurking out there with wood panel interiors and hot cape cod attics. 

 

 

An issue with Columbus as opposed to Cincinnati in this regard is that the Uncool Crescent of Columbus struggles with image problems that are much worse than the old neighborhoods of Cincinnati. Cincinnati is going to be really glad has all those NBDs tht the Far East Side, Eastmoor, the South Side, the Southwest Side and areas north of the airport lack.

58 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

Your first paragraph is exactly what I was getting at with my previous post though. You were forced to move your radius around because city X has grown and expanded in a different way than city Y. 

 

Just a clarification, I didn't move it around. I used the default point when you search for the city on google maps. So for Cincy that's Fountain Square. For Cleveland it is Public Square. For Cbus it is the Statehouse. 

 

But yea, I think we've all discussed here ad nauseum the problems associated with different methods of estimating population. Whether you use a center point and radius, urbanized area, metro, etc. someone will chime in with a reason why it isn't a good measure. Not a dig at you for your comment, just a frustration of mine. 

2 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

 

An issue with Columbus as opposed to Cincinnati in this regard is that the Uncool Crescent of Columbus struggles with image problems that are much worse than the old neighborhoods of Cincinnati. Cincinnati is going to be really glad has all those NBDs tht the Far East Side, Eastmoor, the South Side, the Southwest Side and areas north of the airport lack.

 

I don't know if this is true. The West Side neighborhoods definitely have a stigma to the point that lots of young professionals won't even look there. This is changing a bit but it is really the only explanation for why East Price Hill hasn't taken off sooner. 

4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

But yea, I think we've all discussed here ad nauseum the problems associated with different methods of estimating population. Whether you use a center point and radius, urbanized area, metro, etc. someone will chime in with a reason why it isn't a good measure. Not a dig at you for your comment, just a frustration of mine. 

 

Exactly my point. There will be a debate every single time a comparison is attempted because there is no proper way to do it. Although I think we can all agree that using city limits population numbers is by far the worst way to compare two cities lol.

5 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I don't know if this is true. The West Side neighborhoods definitely have a stigma to the point that lots of young professionals won't even look there. This is changing a bit but it is really the only explanation for why East Price Hill hasn't taken off sooner. 

 

I think that's for a different, more easily overcomable reason. A lot of the Columbus stuff is too "suburban".

Edited July 10, 20195 yr by GCrites80s

2 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Cincinnati had, in 2017, 80,587 buildings built before 1949, while Columbus had 66,508.  Not quite double.  I consider Columbus' number even more impressive just considering that they bulldozed so much over the years, and its highway system was far more destructive.

 

 

Interesting, but I think you’d have to look at NKY, or at least the river cities of Ludlow, Covington, Newport, Bellevue, and Dayton to get a more accurate number of prewar buildings in the Cincinnati area. I have to think almost all of the residential buildings in these cities are pre-war. Of course, Cincinnati also has some very old suburban areas with significant concentrations of prewar stock, too. Glendale and Wyoming are the obvious ones,  but places like Lockland and Cheviot also have a lot of old homes. I’m very curious about this- what data source did you use to find these figures? 

 

Also, I don’t think it’s fair to say that Columbus experienced more freeway related losses than other cities in Ohio. Cincinnati lost almost the entire West End and huge swaths of the city. I’m sure you’ve seen the old photo of the Cincy basin before urban renewal? 

2 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

Cincinnati had, in 2017, 80,587 buildings built before 1949, while Columbus had 66,508.  Not quite double.  I consider Columbus' number even more impressive just considering that they bulldozed so much over the years, and its highway system was far more destructive.

 

 

Add NKY and the number is easily double.  Everything in Covington, Newport, Bellevue, Dayton, and Ludlow is a mirror image of Cincinnati.  The prevailing lot size is 25x100 (90 if there is an alley) in the Kentucky basin neighborhoods, just like Cincinnati.  Plus, that stat might not include Norwood, St. Bernard, etc.  

 

I have lived in both Nashville and Columbus.  They basically are only incidentally comparable because they're both roughly the same metro size, weren't big pre-war, are both state capitols, and each are situated on unimpressive small rivers.  Columbus is way more of a real city, however.  Like 10x more of a real city.  

 

Edited July 10, 20195 yr by jmecklenborg

Everyone might be interested in this map. You can see how Athens is actually one of the most densely populated places in the state. You can also pick out prisons pretty easily. 

 

https://pudding.cool/2018/10/city_3d/

4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

You can also pick out prisons pretty easily. 

 

 

It took me a second to figure out how Chillicothe had such a high density...lol

32 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It took me a second to figure out how Chillicothe had such a high density...lol

 

For some real fun, go check out India. 

On 8/7/2018 at 3:33 PM, eastvillagedon said:

I was so confident that this year Painesville would eclipse the Cincinnati suburb of Springdale and achieve 1st place on Ohio's diversity index (what's 2/10 of a point, anyway? They probably cheated--lol), but alas it didn't happen. But although Ohio doesn't have a great record on diversity, 75.8 is still way above the overall national score of 64.3. Wait until next year! (for the full 200 results, click the link and fill in the relevant options)

 

https://ohio.hometownlocator.com/census/sorted-demographics.cfm

 

 

wow, they just couldn't give Painesville the #1 spot for diversity. Seriously, I'm going to go out on a limb and just say it is. Why? Because Painesville is a poorer place than more middle class Springdale (probably) and has been the destination for many more immigrants in recent years (I think), and it's been estimated that about one-half of the Mexicans there are undocumented, and therefore unlikely to participate in any census related surveys, the overall population probably has greater diversity than the number would indicate. There, it's all settled! (ha, wait until next year when the real census happens. Then again, maybe Trump will have scared away many more people from participating?)

 

Painesville has so much potential to be great with the right leadership

So we've talked a lot about how it is difficult to judge population growth because of differing city size/metro size/urbanized area. And lots of people have shared their opinions on what is the best measure. I thought I'd throw one more into the fold. I looked at the top 100 largest cities in the US and their increase in population density between 2010 and 2018 (i.e. how many people have they gained or lost per square mile). Now, it is commonly accepted that Sunbelt cities are growing the fastest, but this measure presents some very different narratives. Here's the top 25.

 

 

 

So Miami, Atlanta, Austin, Tampa, etc. are still up there. But this makes the traditional "legacy" cities look a lot better. San Fran, Jersey City (!), Boston, and NYC look much stronger, for example. And Columbus, is the 21st fastest growing city in the country by this measure (versus 24th by the traditional percentage change measure).

 

And what about other Ohio cities? Well Cincinnati comes in 83rd, having added about 73 people per square mile this decade, while Cleveland comes in 97th out of 100, having lost about 168 people per square mile. Later today I'll compile the top 10 Ohio cities by population for comparison.

Edited August 22, 20195 yr by DEPACincy

Ok, here we go. Top 15 most populated Ohio cities and counties sorted by change in density since 2010.

 

 

 

EDIT: Okay, fixed the image quality problem. 

 

 

Edited August 22, 20195 yr by DEPACincy

^ Great metric. Very interesting to analyze!

 

I believe Delaware County should actually replace Medina County if you want to look at the 15 most populated counties as of 2018. Delaware County is up to 204,826.

 

Here are Delaware County's stats:

 

2010 pop: 174,214

2018 pop: 204826

Change #/%: +30,612/+17.6%

Land Area: 443

2010 Density: 393.26

2018 Density: 462.36

Change: +69.10

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

^ Great metric. Very interesting to analyze!

 

I believe Delaware County should actually replace Medina County if you want to look at the 15 most populated counties as of 2018. Delaware County is up to 204,826.

 

Here are Delaware County's stats:

 

2010 pop: 174,214

2018 pop: 204826

Change #/%: +30,612/+17.6%

Land Area: 443

2010 Density: 393.26

2018 Density: 462.36

Change: +69.10

 

 

 

 

You're right, I was looking at an old list! Updated to reflect your suggestion. 

Just now, DEPACincy said:

 

You're right, I was looking at an old list! Updated to reflect your suggestion. 

 

I figured. That county has been growing like crazy and made quite the jump in just 8 years. It's on the way to being around the 10th largest county within the next decade. 

Crazy how much denser the northern cities in Ohio are over the rest of the state. Maybe Lakewood could hit the 10k mark with all of its forthcoming developments. 

Edited August 22, 20195 yr by Clefan98

11 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Crazy how much denser the northern cities in Ohio are over the rest of the state. Maybe Lakewood could hit the 10k mark with all of its forthcoming developments. 

 

I doubt it will hit 10k. Density in Lakewood has been dropping not growing. The new development won't offset the fact that household sizes are getting smaller. It's not necessarily a bad thing though, as new residents are wealthier than existing residents.

Interesting. Could you do it by metro area --say of the top 25 or 30 US metros?  

16 hours ago, Pugu said:

Interesting. Could you do it by metro area --say of the top 25 or 30 US metros?  

 

If you know where I can find the area of each metro area I'll do it. That information doesn't seem to be readily available like city area is. 

9 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

If you know where I can find the area of each metro area I'll do it. That information doesn't seem to be readily available like city area is. 

You can combine the areas of constituent counties.

2 minutes ago, Robuu said:

You can combine the areas of constituent counties.

 

Yea, unfortunately I don't have the time to do that between all my actual work today ?

If you can use SHPs, you can get the MSA ones here:

https://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/geo/shapefiles/index.php?year=2010&layergroup=Core+Based+Statistical+Areas