14 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

 

Isn’t Dublin higher than 46k?  I don’t see it.  Am I wrong?

 

That list shows cities that had 50,000 but dropped into the upper 40s as of 2019.  Dublin hasn't reached 50,000 yet (currently 48,647).

19 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

That list shows cities that had 50,000 but dropped into the upper 40s as of 2019.  Dublin hasn't reached 50,000 yet (currently 48,647).

Yea, I didnt realize this was just a list of all cities above 50k.  Don't mind me over here being an idiot thinking you just arbitrarily chose 46k as your cutoff point.

Central Ohio Population Change 2010-2019:

Columbus City: 787,033 - 898,553; +14.2%

Franklin County: 1,163,414 - 1,316,756; +13.2%

Columbus MSA: 1,901,974 - 2,122,271; +11.58%

 

Southwest Ohio Population Change 2010-2019:

Cincinnati City: 296,945 - 303,940; +2.4%

Hamilton County: 802,374 - 817,473; +1.9%

Cincinnati MSA: 2,137,667 - 2,221,208; +3.91%

 

Northeast Ohio Population Change 2010-2019:

Cleveland City: 396,815 - 381,009; -4.0%

Cuyahoga County: 1,280,122 - 1,235,072; -3.5%

Cleveland MSA: 2,077,240 - 2,048,449; -1.39%

 

Core County as % of MSA:

Franklin County: 62%

Hamilton County: 37%

Cuyahoga County: 60%

 

Core County Population Change Impact on MSA:

Franklin County: +153,342; 70% of MSA pop increase (+220,297)

Hamilton County: +15,099; 18% of MSA pop increase (+83,541)

Cuyahoga County: -45,050; 156% of pop decrease (-28,791)

 

Population Density of Core County 2010-2019:

Franklin County: 2,187 - 2,475; +13.2%

Hamilton County: 1,976 - 2,013; +2.8%

Cuyahoga County: 2,801 - 2,703; -3.5%

                             

Speaking of Newark being over 50k and Dublin approaching it, what are the stipulations for a suburb to become part of the MSA name?  Similar to how Cleveland is Cleveland-Elyria, will we be seeing a Columbus-Newark or Columbus-Dublin anytime soon?  I'm not really sure how that works and if it even has anything to do with the size of the suburb.

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The title of each MSA consists of the names of up to three of its central cities and the name of each State into which the MSA extends. However, a central city is not included in an MSA title unless it has at least one-third the population of the area’s largest city or local opinion supports its inclusion.

 

What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

3 minutes ago, ink said:

What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

I'm interested as well.  I took a software development job up in Seven Hills after graduating from Ohio State a couple years ago.  Worked there for around 8 months before taking another offer back in Columbus.  I lived in Lakewood pretty close to that Barrio and it seemed like your hip, near downtown suburb where a lot of young professional families lived.  Essentially, people who would like to be in the city, but need to send their kids to a better school.  I'm not sure if people agree, but I usually compare it to Grandview.  Seems like there is a lot of improvement going on in Cleveland catered towards young professionals.  If that's the case, you'd think places like Lakewood would be thriving.

20 minutes ago, ink said:

What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

 

5 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

I'm interested as well.  I took a software development job up in Seven Hills after graduating from Ohio State a couple years ago.  Worked there for around 8 months before taking another offer back in Columbus.  I lived in Lakewood pretty close to that Barrio and it seemed like your hip, near downtown suburb where a lot of young professional families lived.  Essentially, people who would like to be in the city, but need to send their kids to a better school.  I'm not sure if people agree, but I usually compare it to Grandview.  Seems like there is a lot of improvement going on in Cleveland catered towards young professionals.  If that's the case, you'd think places like Lakewood would be thriving.

 

Well, the MSA and CSA are still in decline so it isn't surprising that Lakewood is also showing a slow-ish decline.  It would be surprising if the MSA and CSA were growing and Lakewood showed a decline.

52 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Speaking of Newark being over 50k and Dublin approaching it, what are the stipulations for a suburb to become part of the MSA name?  Similar to how Cleveland is Cleveland-Elyria, will we be seeing a Columbus-Newark or Columbus-Dublin anytime soon?  I'm not really sure how that works and if it even has anything to do with the size of the suburb.

 

I have wondered this as well...specifically because Newark is already part of a "micropolitan area" so to speak.  The Newark/Heath/Granville/Hanover area, in my opinion, should have always been its own MSA.  Newark has 50,000 people, Heath has 11,000 people, Granville has 6,000 people and Hanover has 1200 people.....all within 3 miles of each other for an area of roughly 70,000 people.   The Greater Newark Area should absolutely remain in the CSA, but i wonder if they will split the Greater Newark Area off and form its own MSA?  If they don't, it literally wont hurt a thing, but i do think its sort of ridiculous that Newark is never featured as part of the Columbus MSA.  Moving forward, the Columbus MSA should be labeled as Columbus/Newark/Delaware in my humble opinion.  Good question!!!

1 minute ago, OhioFinest said:

 

I have wondered this as well...specifically because Newark is already part of a "micropolitan area" so to speak.  The Newark/Heath/Granville/Hanover area, in my opinion, should have always been its own MSA.  Newark has 50,000 people, Heath has 11,000 people, Granville has 6,000 people and Hanover has 1200 people.....all within 3 miles of each other for an area of roughly 70,000 people.   The Greater Newark Area should absolutely remain in the CSA, but i wonder if they will split the Greater Newark Area off and form its own MSA?  If they don't, it literally wont hurt a thing, but i do think its sort of ridiculous that Newark is never featured as part of the Columbus MSA.  Moving forward, the Columbus MSA should be labeled as Columbus/Newark/Delaware in my humble opinion.  Good question!!!

 

@BigDipper 80 Actually responded to it

 

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The title of each MSA consists of the names of up to three of its central cities and the name of each State into which the MSA extends. However, a central city is not included in an MSA title unless it has at least one-third the population of the area’s largest city or local opinion supports its inclusion.

 

Edited May 22, 20205 yr by TH3BUDDHA

2 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

 

I have wondered this as well...specifically because Newark is already part of a "micropolitan area" so to speak.  The Newark/Heath/Granville/Hanover area, in my opinion, should have always been its own MSA.  Newark has 50,000 people, Heath has 11,000 people, Granville has 6,000 people and Hanover has 1200 people.....all within 3 miles of each other for an area of roughly 70,000 people.   The Greater Newark Area should absolutely remain in the CSA, but i wonder if they will split the Greater Newark Area off and form its own MSA?  If they don't, it literally wont hurt a thing, but i do think its sort of ridiculous that Newark is never featured as part of the Columbus MSA.  Moving forward, the Columbus MSA should be labeled as Columbus/Newark/Delaware in my humble opinion.  Good question!!!

 

MSAs are largely determined based on commuting patterns. The Newark area is very much a part of the Columbus MSA. 

51 minutes ago, ink said:

What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

We must be doing a bad job of license plate tracking ?

3 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

MSAs are largely determined based on commuting patterns. The Newark area is very much a part of the Columbus MSA. 

 

Thanks for helping me try and understand this from a MSA "branding" if you will.  I understand what you have both posted, but i'm still confused, because what you both posted suggests that Newark should have always been labeled as part of Columbus's MSA right?  Newark has been the largest suburb/exurb for many decades.  Why has the MSA labeling never featured Newark as a "central city"???  I'm just sort of curious as to why?  Hopefully Newark gets its due in the next census and some changes are made to the labeling of the Columbus MSA.  Good conversation!!!

11 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

MSAs are largely determined based on commuting patterns. The Newark area is very much a part of the Columbus MSA. 

Agree.  I can't tell you how many of my colleagues in my office (Nationwide) commute from Newark, Delaware, Marysville and even Hocking, as far out as that seems.  I just know in my 8 years every team I've been on has people from those locations.

Edited May 22, 20205 yr by Gnoraa

Just now, Gnoraa said:

Agree.  I can't tell you how many of my colleagues in my office (Nationwide) commute from Newark, Delaware and even Hocking, as far out as that seems.  I just know in my 8 years every team I've been on has people from those locations.

 

I have many friends who work for Nationwide, L Brands etc etc....the widening of 161 really helped Newark grow because it took 15-20 mins off of the commute. It really brought Newark squarely into the metro if you will.  People from Newark now don't feel like they have to move to the contingent Columbus suburbs to work. 

1 hour ago, ColDayMan said:

 

 

Well, the MSA and CSA are still in decline so it isn't surprising that Lakewood is also showing a slow-ish decline.  It would be surprising if the MSA and CSA were growing and Lakewood showed a decline.

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

Well, it is possible for educated people to move into Lakewood and the less educated leaving...but it has to be MORE educated people moving into/less educated leaving, which is clearly not happening.  I believe Pittsburgh is experiencing the "smart decline" (educated moving in but more "less educated" people moving out).  The price of gentrification, I suppose.

56 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

 

It is probably the case for Lakewood that the new households are smaller than the old households. A wealthy, college-educated family comes in with their 1.5 kids and fixes up a house that used to house a family of 6. My neighborhood in Cincinnati (Northside) has seen its population drop over the past few years as the number of housing units has slowly increased. But the poverty rate dropped significantly over that same time period and the percentage of the population with a degree skyrocketed.

The reason Lakewood (and near west side city neighborhoods like Ohio City and Tremont until recently) have been declining while they explode with rehabs and attracting young professionals is similar to alot of other "gentrifying" neighborhoods. The household size and even the number of households has been declining. Lakewood in particular has seen a huge amount of doubles converted into SFHs that then have say a family of two move in. I see Lakewood as a place where families will stay to raise kids again. So as that household of two becomes a family of 3 and 4, the city's population overall will start climbing again. Ohio City and Tremont are starting to grow again not so much from families staying to raise kids, but from the tremendous amount of multifamily now being built.

7 minutes ago, PoshSteve said:

The reason Lakewood (and near west side city neighborhoods like Ohio City and Tremont until recently) have been declining while they explode with rehabs and attracting young professionals is similar to alot of other "gentrifying" neighborhoods. The household size and even the number of households has been declining. Lakewood in particular has seen a huge amount of doubles converted into SFHs that then have say a family of two move in. I see Lakewood as a place where families will stay to raise kids again. So as that household of two becomes a family of 3 and 4, the city's population overall will start climbing again. Ohio City and Tremont are starting to grow again not so much from families staying to raise kids, but from the tremendous amount of multifamily now being built.

 

Agreed on all points except there are a lot more families moving into OHC and Tremont than before. Go to Lincoln Park on a Saturday or Sunday and see all of the youth sports leagues and families out and about. Those families and leagues didn't exist when I rented in Tremont over 10yrs ago.

On 5/22/2020 at 12:58 PM, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

 

I wrote about the replacement of lower-income families with a higher income professional or two this December article about the impact that the Fifth Migration is having on Cleveland....

 

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/cleveland-got-lot-wealthier-in-just-3.html?m=0

On 5/21/2020 at 6:13 PM, ColDayMan said:

The full list, FYI:

 

New York City, New York8,336,817

Los Angeles city, California3,979,576

Chicago city, Illinois2,693,976

Houston city, Texas2,320,268

Phoenix city, Arizona1,680,992

Philadelphia city, Pennsylvania1,584,064

San Antonio city, Texas1,547,253

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Hmm, my hometown had 75k in 2018....any idea why it's not on the list?

 

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/06000US3402907420-brick-township-ocean-county-nj/

 

 

On 5/22/2020 at 12:58 PM, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

I know this is purely anecdotal, but the interesting thing I noticed when driving around in Avon, Avon Lake, Bainbridge, Chagrin and Hudson recently, was the amount of homes that were for sale. It definitely felt like a bit of a buyers market up there given the amount of choices that seemed to be in the area. I know it is anecdotal, but when I contrast it with some of the areas of Cincy that I am around on the NE side, I do not see nearly the volume of homes for sale in those areas. It is still a tight market. I am not sure what people see in Columbus, but I found it interesting. 

 

At least for Cincinnati, we were likely around the current population 12 years ago. We went from 331,285 in 2000 to 296,945 in 2010. We are currently estimated at 303,940, which had to occur between 2000-2010.

 

I believe every other city listed has lost population from 2010 to present, but Cincinnati has slightly increased.

Sorry if this a dumb question, but i'm going to ask it again.  Does anybody know officially, if Newark will now be considered its own MSA, since the City of Newark crossed the 50,000 mark and has a surrounding area of roughly 70,000 citizens? Or will it remain a part of the Columbus MSA?  Thanks!

1 minute ago, OhioFinest said:

Sorry if this a dumb question, but i'm going to ask it again.  Does anybody know officially, if Newark will now be considered its own MSA, since the City of Newark crossed the 50,000 mark and has a surrounding area of roughly 70,000 citizens? Or will it remain a part of the Columbus MSA?  Thanks!

 

It will remain part of the Columbus MSA. It will never be its own MSA. 

Edited May 26, 20205 yr by cbussoccer
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5 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It will remain part of the Columbus MSA. It will never be its own MSA. 

 

Interesting...and why is that exactly though?  I thought the criteria for an MSA, is a central city of at least 50,000 residents with surrounding communities?  The Newark/Heath/Granville area is roughly 70,000 residents.  I mean, it will never happen? If Akron and Canton have their own MSA's....why cant Newark?  You can see how Newark being the central city of 50,000+ people, with its own 2 suburbs of Heath (11,000) and Granville (6,000) could be seen as its own MSA? 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

 

Interesting...and why is that exactly though?  I thought the criteria for an MSA, is a central city of at least 50,000 residents with surrounding communities?  The Newark/Heath/Granville area is roughly 70,000 residents.  I mean, it will never happen? If Akron and Canton have their own MSA's....why cant Newark?  You can see how Newark being the central city of 50,000+ people, with its own 2 suburbs of Heath (11,000) and Granville (6,000) could be seen as its own MSA? 

 

 

 

 

There is more than just population of an area that is taken into account when defining MSAs. Commuting, economic, and social ties are all measured and taken into consideration. Newark (and Heath/Granville/Hebron/etc.) are all very  much a part of the core Columbus area. A large percentage of people in the areas you are talking about regularly travel to Columbus for purposes of working, shopping, recreation, or traveling.

 

If Newark was a couple hours away from Columbus, rather than a 35 minute drive, it could be its own MSA. But, because it is so close and so tied to Columbus, it will always be part of the Columbus MSA. 

 

I guess if the population of Newark area were to absolutely explode to like 400k, you could end up with a Columbus-Newark "metroplex", kind of like the DFW metroplex. 

11 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

There is more than just population of an area that is taken into account when defining MSAs. Commuting, economic, and social ties are all measured and taken into consideration. Newark (and Heath/Granville/Hebron/etc.) are all very  much a part of the core Columbus area. A large percentage of people in the areas you are talking about regularly travel to Columbus for purposes of working, shopping, recreation, or traveling.

 

If Newark was a couple hours away from Columbus, rather than a 35 minute drive, it could be its own MSA. But, because it is so close and so tied to Columbus, it will always be part of the Columbus MSA. 

 

I guess if the population of Newark area were to absolutely explode to like 400k, you could end up with a Columbus-Newark "metroplex", kind of like the DFW metroplex. 

I hear you, and i'm seriously not trying to argue with you, but how is Newark never mentioned as a central city in the Columbus MSA?  At the very least, this should absolutely change.  For example...see the Official Ohio MSA list for Columbus below.  How is Newark at the very least, not its own Micropolitan area like the ones listed?  It just doesn't make any sense to me.  Newark has been growing steadily over decades...at what point do we at least get a Columbus-Newark-Delaware CSA?  Good conversation...i always find this stuff fascinating. lol

 

 

Edited May 26, 20205 yr by OhioFinest

4 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

I hear you, and i'm seriously not trying to argue with you, but how is Newark never mentioned as a central city in the Columbus MSA?  At the very least, this should absolutely change.  For example...see the Official Ohio MSA list for Columbus below.  How is Newark at the very least, not its own Micropolitan area like the ones listed?  It just doesn't make any sense to me.  Newark has been growing steadily over decades...at what point do we at least get a Columbus/Newark/Delaware MSA?  Good conversation...i always find this stuff fascinating. lol

 

 

 

Again, the Newark area is much too intertwined with Columbus to be an independent micropolitan statistical area. Zanesville, Chillicothe, Marion, etc. are all far enough away from Columbus to have their own regional pull. Places like Newark, Lancaster, or Marysville are much too close and intertwined with Columbus to have that type of pull. This is not an insult to Newark or Lancaster or anywhere else, it's just the way it is. Newark is also in a county that falls within the Columbus MSA. Zanesville, Chillicothe, etc. are all in counties that are not included in the Columbus MSA but are included in the CSA. 

15 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

Hmm, my hometown had 75k in 2018....any idea why it's not on the list?

 

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/06000US3402907420-brick-township-ocean-county-nj/

 

 

 

Townships aren't included. There's a separate category for "minor civil division" that includes townships. You can scroll down and select New Jersey. 

 

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2010s-total-cities-and-towns.html
 

Here is the 50k+ places in Ohio, with townships included. Townships are highlighted.
 

 

That list is a little wonky because of how Ohio's townships work. For example, only about 5,000 people actually live in the unincorporated parts of Beavercreek Township. Most of them are in the incorporated city of Beavercreek, or in parts of Fairborn or Xenia, which both have sections taken out of the township. The same is true with both Washington and Miami Townships. 

State population growth from 2010-2019 = ~153k

Columbus MSA population growth from 2010-2019 = ~220k

Non-Columbus MSA population change from 2010-2019 = -~67k

 

Pretty remarkable.

11 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said:

That list is a little wonky because of how Ohio's townships work. For example, only about 5,000 people actually live in the unincorporated parts of Beavercreek Township. Most of them are in the incorporated city of Beavercreek, or in parts of Fairborn or Xenia, which both have sections taken out of the township. The same is true with both Washington and Miami Townships. 

 

That's true. Although, weirdly, Hamilton County townships don't seem to follow this rule. For example, Mt. Healthy, North College Hill, and Greenhills are incorporated cities within Springfield Twp. But their populations don't count toward Springfield Twps like they do in other counties. This always confused me. 

Just now, DarkandStormy said:

State population growth from 2010-2019 = ~153k

Columbus MSA population growth from 2010-2019 = ~220k

Non-Columbus MSA population change from 2010-2019 = -~67k

 

Pretty remarkable.

 

This is why Ohio is not a permanently red state, as some people now claim. Urban areas growing, rural areas shrinking. 

4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

This is why Ohio is not a permanently red state, as some people now claim. Urban areas growing, rural areas shrinking. 

 

I mean, this is getting slightly off-topic, but if I recall...the only two Dems to win state-wide in the last 12 years have been Sherrod Brown and Barack Obama.  Not exactly a purple resume, either, with the state house, state senate, and all state-wide positions held by Rs.  But, alas, there is an Ohio Politics forum for this discussion.

13 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

That's true. Although, weirdly, Hamilton County townships don't seem to follow this rule. For example, Mt. Healthy, North College Hill, and Greenhills are incorporated cities within Springfield Twp. But their populations don't count toward Springfield Twps like they do in other counties. This always confused me. 

 

So from what I can tell (and what is usually the case with urban townships), Mt. Healthy, Greenhills, etc were part of Springfield Township at one point, but have since withdrawn, leaving the rump township which contains the unincorporated Finneytown. But because Ohio law requires all municipalities to be overlaid over a township, the cities that left formed "paper townships" that instantly had their governments dissolved, since township governments cease to exist once fully incorporated. But up in Greene County, the City of Beavercreek never withdrew from Beavercreek Township and did not create a new paper township beneath it. Therefore residents of Beavercreek can vote in both city and township elections, since they're members of both. The two-election (and double taxation) caveat is why most cities create paper townships, but for some reason the three townships around Dayton have actual cities within them. The Hamilton County townships are actually doing it the "normal" way. Washington, Miami, and Beavercreek Townships are the outliers. 

Edited May 26, 20205 yr by BigDipper 80

53 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

I mean, this is getting slightly off-topic, but if I recall...the only two Dems to win state-wide in the last 12 years have been Sherrod Brown and Barack Obama.  Not exactly a purple resume, either, with the state house, state senate, and all state-wide positions held by Rs.  But, alas, there is an Ohio Politics forum for this discussion.

 

Yes, off-topic. I'll just say that the state house elections were basically 50/50 in 2018 and I expected Dems to win the state house vote in 2020. Although, since the state house is heavily gerrymandered, there will still be a clear Republican majority.

1 hour ago, BigDipper 80 said:

 

So from what I can tell (and what is usually the case with urban townships), Mt. Healthy, Greenhills, etc were part of Springfield Township at one point, but have since withdrawn, leaving the rump township which contains the unincorporated Finneytown. But because Ohio law requires all municipalities to be overlaid over a township, the cities that left formed "paper townships" that instantly had their governments dissolved, since township governments cease to exist once fully incorporated. But up in Greene County, the City of Beavercreek never withdrew from Beavercreek Township and did not create a new paper township beneath it. Therefore residents of Beavercreek can vote in both city and township elections, since they're members of both. The two-election (and double taxation) caveat is why most cities create paper townships, but for some reason the three townships around Dayton have actual cities within them. The Hamilton County townships are actually doing it the "normal" way. Washington, Miami, and Beavercreek Townships are the outliers. 

 

Interesting. Thanks for the explainer. Though I'll say that the way the Dayton townships did it seems more common. All the cities and villages in Athens County also seem to still be a part of the townships surrounding them. It also looks like Hilliard is still a part of Norwitch Twp, Grove City is still a part of Jackson Twp, and Dublin is still a part of Washington Twp. Ditto for Delaware County townships. Here is a list of biggest population gains this decade in OH with townships included. Townships are highlighted:

 

 

EDIT: It does appear that Deerfield Township excludes the City of Mason in these numbers. So maybe it's a Cincinnati/Southwest OH phenomenon to create paper townships and withdraw from the surrounding townships.

Edited May 26, 20205 yr by DEPACincy

On 5/26/2020 at 12:56 PM, DEPACincy said:

Here is the 50k+ places in Ohio, with townships included. Townships are highlighted.
 

 

 

What's that from?  The numbers don't match the Census at all.  

 

Almost everything matched except Columbus?

I heard on NPR this morning, Cleveland was coming in at dead last for % of responses for major cities.  Not looking good for future tax dollar allocations for the city/county/state.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2020/07/as-census-2020-work-resumes-concerns-loom-of-undercount-in-places-like-cleveland.html

 

Also out of Columbus:  https://www.dispatch.com/opinion/20200714/editorial-census-will-reveal-changing-face-of-ohio

On 5/28/2020 at 4:42 PM, jonoh81 said:

 

What's that from?  The numbers don't match the Census at all.  

 

It was Census county subdivision data so it only included the part of Columbus in Franklin County. My bad. 

 

4 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

It was Census county subdivision data so it only included the part of Columbus in Franklin County. My bad. 

I had kind of wondered too. Thanks for the explanation. So I guess around 20,000 Columbus residents live outside of Franklin County then?  I wonder what the densities are for those areas outside of Franklin County.

2 hours ago, Toddguy said:

I had kind of wondered too. Thanks for the explanation. So I guess around 20,000 Columbus residents live outside of Franklin County then?  I wonder what the densities are for those areas outside of Franklin County.

 

That would be correct I think. The Census releases the often cited "places" estimates but then also a "county subdivision"  dataset for states with townships. That includes cities, villages, and townsips, but doesn't include parts of municipalities that cross county lines. I could see if they have the Cbus estimate for the other counties. 

3 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

That would be correct I think. The Census releases the often cited "places" estimates but then also a "county subdivision"  dataset for states with townships. That includes cities, villages, and townsips, but doesn't include parts of municipalities that cross county lines. I could see if they have the Cbus estimate for the other counties. 

 

Ok, just looked at the data. For 2019, they have 5,466 Flavortown residents in Delaware County and 10,718 in Fairfield County. Still leaves about 3,000 residents unaccounted for. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/03/898548910/census-cut-short-a-month-rushes-to-finish-all-counting-efforts-by-sept-30

 

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The U.S. Census Bureau is ending all counting efforts for the 2020 census on Sept. 30, a month sooner than previously announced, the bureau's director confirmed Monday in a statement. That includes critical door-knocking efforts and collecting responses online, over the phone and by mail.

 

FYI on the census.