December 31, 201311 yr Census estimates for 2013 by state are now out. Ohio's not keeping up. 2010-2013, OH population increased 0.3%, but the US as a whole increased 2.4% OH 2010 11,536,504 (Census) OH 2013 11,570,808 (Estimate) US 2010 308,745,538 (Census) US 2013 316,128,839 (Estimate) http://www.census.gov/popest/data/state/totals/2013/index.html
February 14, 201411 yr More people moved into Hamilton county than any other county in Ohio??? 1) Lake County, IN - 5044 people 2) Los Angeles County, CA (Los Angeles)- 2501 3) Maricopa County, AZ (Phoenix) - 1988 4) Dane County, WI (Madison) - 1976 5) Milwaukee County, WI (Milwaukee) - 1538 6) Hennepin County, MN (Minneapolis) - 1490 7) New York County, NY (Manhattan) - 1471 8) San Diego County, CA (San Diego) - 1439 9) Kings County, NY (Brooklyn) - 1362 10) Fulton County, GA (Atlanta)- 1355 11) Oakland County, MI - 1229 12) Miami-Dade County, FL (Miami) - 1135 13) Harris County, TX (Houston) - 1030 14) King County, WA (Seattle) - 972 15) Johnson County, IA (Iowa City) - 954 16) Washtenaw County, MI (Ann Arbor) - 906 17) Marion County, IN (Indianapolis) - 866 18) Washington DC - 861 19) Middlesex County, MA (Boston area) - 807 20) Wayne County, MI (Detroit) - 799 21) San Francisco County, CA (San Francisco) - 763 22) Monroe County, IN (Bloomington) - 723 23) Hamilton County, OH (Cincinnati) - 723 24) Kent County, MI (Grand Rapids) - 715 25) Franklin County, OH (Columbus) - 712 26) Cuyahoga County, OH (Cleveland) - 706 27) Queens County, NY (Queens) - 686 28) St. Louis city, MO - 648 29) Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) - 638 30) St. Louis county, MO (St. Louis) - 622 31) Clark County, NV (Las Vegas) - 567 32) Porter County, IN (Valparaiso) - 554 33) Cobb County, GA (Marietta) - 551 34) Tippecanoe County, IN (Lafayette) - 550 35) Suffolk County, MA (Boston) - 547 36) Orange County, FL (Orlando) - 534 37) Ingham County, MI (East Lansing) - 528 38) Philadelphia County, PA - 525 39) Kalamazoo County, MI - 520 40) Middlesex County, NJ (Edison) - 503 41) Tarrant County, TX (Fort Worth) - 497 42) Orange County, CA - 477 43) Dallas County, TX - 472 44) Travis County, TX (Austin) - 463 45) St. Joseph County, IN (South Bend) - 455 46) Jackson County, MO (Kansas City) - 450 47) Hillsborough County, FL (Tampa) - 445 48) Allegheny County, PA (Pittsburgh) - 431 49) Davidson County, TN (Nashville) - 403 50) LaPorte County, IN (Michigan City) - 396 http://flowsmapper.geo.census.gov/flowsmapper/map.html
February 14, 201411 yr HAHAHA! You know not what you do, unusualfire; your post only begets a flame-war. Sorry 'bout your luck, heh heh! :roll:
February 14, 201411 yr There's gotta be some context to this. Gary, IN's county is the fastest growing in the US? More people moved to Milwaukee than NYC? And Cuyahoga County gained population? What's the rest of the story here...
February 14, 201411 yr After poking around a little bit, I'm pretty sure this is just a list of migration destinations from Cook County, IL between 2007 and 2011. Just outflow; it's not net of people moving in the other direction.
February 14, 201411 yr ^Now THAT makes sense. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 14, 201411 yr Balderdash! Hamilton County is obviously the 23rd fastest growing county in the country!
February 15, 201411 yr ...behind Dane County, WI. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 18, 201411 yr Top story over the weekend: 'Brain Drain' Surprise: Cleveland vs. Chicago Demographically Speaking, Cleveland Is Outperforming Chicago BY JIM RUSSELL • March 13, 2014 • 9:42 AM On Tuesday, Cleveland State University announced the launch of the Center for Population Dynamics within the Maxine Goodman Levin College of Urban Affairs. Richey Piiparinen will serve as director of the new center. Levin College Dean Edward “Ned” Hill had this to say about bringing Richey on board: “We can’t wait to have the community’s new, thought-provoking troublemaker working for us,” Hill said, adding that he expects Piiparinen to add a fresh perspective to issues of housing policy and economic development. “He brings a new voice to the question of how we confront the future.” Emphasis added. Via this site, I aspire to be a thought-provoking troublemaker. In that sense, Richey and I are kindred spirits who have been working toward that end over the last two years. I will continue to collaborate with Richey while he runs the center, at least for 2014. I like to call what we do, “ironic demography.” We dig into the data and look for surprises. Citing a recent example, the U.S. Census had a February numbers dump that didn’t cast Chicago (Cook County) in a flattering light: READ MORE AT: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/business-economics/demographically-speaking-cleveland-outperforming-chicago-76504/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 18, 201411 yr I find that to be quite believable, especially if we're talking about high earners of all ages. Ohio has struggled to retain its recent college graduates, but it has a perhaps-underappreciated ability to partially make that up by attracting such people home (or, perhaps, even newcomers to Ohio) when they're older and things like the cost of living in a decent school district, commute times, and so on start to have more immediate relevance. Many people who want to move to Chicago at 22 might not want to stay there past 35. I'd be interested in learning the median age of these highly-educated in-migrants to Cuyahoga County. I'm betting we'd find that these are not people who just got those advanced degrees (though of course there would be exceptions).
March 18, 201411 yr I find that to be quite believable, especially if we're talking about high earners of all ages. Ohio has struggled to retain its recent college graduates, but it has a perhaps-underappreciated ability to partially make that up by attracting such people home (or, perhaps, even newcomers to Ohio) when they're older and things like the cost of living in a decent school district, commute times, and so on start to have more immediate relevance. Many people who want to move to Chicago at 22 might not want to stay there past 35. Remember that a lot of other states have county schools rather than local schools and don't tie school funding to property taxes like Ohio does. So they don't have these "wrong side of the tracks" school district splits like living on the border of Driving Park and Bexley. Or they periodically move the borders of the various schools as the headcounts at various buildings change, like they do in New York.
March 18, 201411 yr I find that to be quite believable, especially if we're talking about high earners of all ages. Ohio has struggled to retain its recent college graduates, but it has a perhaps-underappreciated ability to partially make that up by attracting such people home (or, perhaps, even newcomers to Ohio) when they're older and things like the cost of living in a decent school district, commute times, and so on start to have more immediate relevance. Many people who want to move to Chicago at 22 might not want to stay there past 35. I'd be interested in learning the median age of these highly-educated in-migrants to Cuyahoga County. I'm betting we'd find that these are not people who just got those advanced degrees (though of course there would be exceptions). It sounds awfully familiar.....like some of the same engines pushing those who live in the city during their 20s out to the suburbs later on. In a way, looking at it like this is good. Strongsville and Independence are far less Cleveland's competitors than the Chicagoland area.
March 28, 201411 yr http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/03/franklin_county_closes_in_on_c.html#incart_m-rpt-2 Franklin County closes in on Cuyahoga as Ohio's most populated By Rich Exner, Northeast Ohio Media Group Email the author | Follow on Twitter on March 27, 2014 at 6:30 AM, updated March 27, 2014 at 9:44 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio - Franklin County is closing in on Cuyahoga County and could become Ohio's most populated jurisdiction before by the next census in 2020. New estimates released Thursday by the Census Bureau show Franklin County - home to Columbus - at 1,212,263 people as of July 2013. That's an increase of 46,293, or 4 percent over the last three years. Cuyahoga County, meanwhile, fell to 1,263,154, leaving it about 50,000 residents ahead of Franklin. And some good news here... The new estimates, however, offer signs of stabilization. Cuyahoga County's annual population losses slowed from 8,200 in 2011, to 4,000 in 2012, to just 2,900 last year. One reason the population in Cuyahoga County has become to stabilize is added housing in downtown Cleveland. Meanwhile, the population for the eight-county Greater Cleveland-Akron area was nearly unchanged in the last year at 3,501,538, and down 14,000 residents since 2010.
March 28, 201411 yr Still lead by 50,000 people yet Franklin get's nearly 5x the money allotted in the latest capitol improvements budget. Sigh.....
March 28, 201411 yr Still lead by 50,000 people yet Franklin get's nearly 5x the money allotted in the latest capitol improvements budget. Sigh..... From first glance, NEO received everything asked for.
March 28, 201411 yr Good news to see that the bleeding is finally beginning to slow to just a trickle- and that we may be adding residents before the next census. That is actually GREAT news for a city which has been losing population since the 50s (roughly 950k to around 375k today) and a county which has been losing population since the 70s (1.7 mil to 1.29 mil today). ANY turnaround should be celebrated, no matter who is ahead during the next census.
March 28, 201411 yr Ohio needs to figure out a way to stop this exodus. Change the tax structure. Change the way we treat blighted neighborhoods. Give people incentives to live in cities than the suburbs. Merge governments. There is simply too much of it in Ohio. If crime is the root cause for blight and companies moving away. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
March 28, 201411 yr Good news to see that the bleeding is finally beginning to slow to just a trickle- and that we may be adding residents before the next census. That is actually GREAT news for a city which has been losing population since the 50s (roughly 950k to around 375k today) and a county which has been losing population since the 70s (1.7 mil to 1.29 mil today). ANY turnaround should be celebrated, no matter who is ahead during the next census. This data says nothing about what is happening within the City of Cleveland. It is county level data.
March 28, 201411 yr Ohio needs to figure out a way to stop this exodus. Change the tax structure. Change the way we treat blighted neighborhoods. Give people incentives to live in cities than the suburbs. Merge governments. There is simply too much of it in Ohio. If crime is the root cause for blight and companies moving away. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! The problem's not out-migration, it's in-migration. Ohio needs to be attractive outsiders, not build walls to keep people here.
March 28, 201411 yr Will there be estimates for just the city of Cleveland? Those won't be out until May.
March 28, 201411 yr Still lead by 50,000 people yet Franklin get's nearly 5x the money allotted in the latest capitol improvements budget. Sigh..... What is that money being allotted for, though? Without that breakdown, the total seems meaningless.
March 28, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl
March 28, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped.
March 28, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped. quite a bit, they count, anything outside of each county anyone would care to compare and perhaps.
March 28, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped. Franklin County is 50% of the Columbus centered CSA, while Cuyahoga is 37% of the Cleveland centered CSA.
March 28, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped. quite a bit, they count, anything outside of each county anyone would care to compare and perhaps. Well, truth is that again, Cuyahoga County has been losing population since the 70s to the surrounding counties. Franklin County has not, and has seen consistant growth. The Cleveland region is not even close to making up the amount of jobs lost during the last recession (not to mention the '01-'02 recession, from which we've never recovered the jobs lost from) . The Columbus region has. I could go on, but growth is growth regardless of land use policy or the physical size of the county, and our region has been stagnate for 4 decades. Cleveland itself has a sprawl (without growth) problem, the proof of which shows in the destruction and abandonment of so many neighborhoods in the central city and inner suburbs, particularly on the east side. Bottom line is that we should be figuring out ways to further nurture the creation and retention of jobs and businesses here. We wouldn't need to be worried about whos the biggest county with the most population density if we did so, because people would move here to get the jobs or start a business.
March 28, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl EDIT - brainfart
March 28, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped. The question is not "What does sprawl have to do with a county's population?" The question is: "What does sprawl have to do with the cost of public services for the population." The answer is: "Plenty." This question followed comments about Franklin getting a bigger share of the state Capital Budget than did Cuyahoga. When homes and businesses are spread further apart in sprawling areas, it costs a lot more for the roads and water lines and sewer lines to serve those areas. Sprawl = greater public expenses and higher taxes.
March 29, 201411 yr I don't begrudge any part of Ohio gaining population, I'm just focused on increasing Cleveland's. I'm hoping the next city estimate will show that the decades of population loss has ended, and the city will enter a new chapter of growth
March 31, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped. quite a bit, they count, anything outside of each county anyone would care to compare and perhaps. Still not getting what you're saying. Are you talking about the metro or the county? Population within the county counts no matter what type of built environment. In regards to metros, sprawl is not a part of the qualifications.
March 31, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped. The question is not "What does sprawl have to do with a county's population?" The question is: "What does sprawl have to do with the cost of public services for the population." The answer is: "Plenty." This question followed comments about Franklin getting a bigger share of the state Capital Budget than did Cuyahoga. When homes and businesses are spread further apart in sprawling areas, it costs a lot more for the roads and water lines and sewer lines to serve those areas. Sprawl = greater public expenses and higher taxes. Then would it surprise you to know that Columbus is not the #1 sprawler in Ohio?
March 31, 201411 yr here we go again -- keep in mind franklin is about 75 sq mi larger than cuyahoga & sprawl is sprawl What does sprawl have to do with a county's population? Do people not count towards a county's population if they live in the suburbs?? And at what population point, exactly, will that 75 square miles no longer apply? 2.3 million? 2.5 million? 3? And I'm willing to bet that there are at least 75 square miles in Franklin County that are undeveloped. The question is not "What does sprawl have to do with a county's population?" The question is: "What does sprawl have to do with the cost of public services for the population." The answer is: "Plenty." This question followed comments about Franklin getting a bigger share of the state Capital Budget than did Cuyahoga. When homes and businesses are spread further apart in sprawling areas, it costs a lot more for the roads and water lines and sewer lines to serve those areas. Sprawl = greater public expenses and higher taxes. Then would it surprise you to know that Columbus is not the #1 sprawler in Ohio? Depends on the meaning of the word "sprawl". Columbus has about the same percentage of its MSA's population as Cleveland and a much higher percentage of the county and CSA populations. The difference is a lot of the "sprawl" is within Columbus city limits.
March 31, 201411 yr Sprawl is indeed an important issue; however, the fact remains that Columbus and Franklin County are, and have been growing; Cuyahoga County has been in decline population wise since the 70s, while the region has been stagnate for 50 years. Sprawl is a given due to our transportation policies favoring roads over other forms of transit, so a growing region will naturally sprawl (for better or worse). There's no reason to be hurt about Cuyahoga County losing it's place as the largest county population wise in the state. What folks should be worried about is how to grow entrepreneurship, jobs, and immigration (and emigration) in the county and the region.
April 23, 201411 yr As Feds Move to Grant Clemency to Drug Offenders, Cities Must Take Steps To Welcome Residents Home BY BILL BRADLEY | NEXT CITY | APRIL 22, 2014 President Obama has the stingiest record for presidential clemency among presidents in modern history. He has granted fewer pardons than presidents before him. But Obama is ready to change that: He is planning to grant clemency to hundreds, possibly thousands, of non-violent drug offenders. This all comes by way of a senior administration official who spoke with Yahoo News yesterday, the same day Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the Justice Department is going to expand its clemency application criteria. The DOJ is prepping for a deluge of new applicants as a result of the looser rules. So while the Justice Department prepares for an onslaught of non-violent drug offenders to plead their case, other entities will have to prepare for the result. Just look at America’s cities: The potential release of many of these non-violent offenders is certain to have a large impact on America’s urban enclaves. From Chicago to Brooklyn and Detroit to Los Angeles, families and communities will be preparing to welcome home loved ones. But how do you prepare for re-entry to society? READ MORE AT: http://nextcity.org/daily/entry/obama-ready-to-grant-clemency-to-non-violent-drug-offenders-cities-reentry "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 23, 201411 yr ^I'd think that such a move would have just as big an effect, if not bigger, on rural areas. Obama's going to want to be very careful in doing this. All it would take is one nimrod to come out of prison and commit a crime for the entire maneuver to be labeled a failure by the pro-prison crowd, no matter whether there are 1000 success stories on balance. His administration, I'd assume, is going to be very selective in the type of inmates selected for release. There won't be any blanket coverage just because you committed a non-violent drug offense. They will be looking for comepletely non-violent people, not just non-violent offenders, and then selecting out of that group the ones who received unduly harsh sentences. Such sentences for non-violent drug offenses often come out of the rural area courts. I don't have any statistics to back that up, but it is an educated guess.
April 23, 201411 yr It's still going to be a serious risk, unfortunately, especially because long prison terms in some cases can actually increase recidivism upon release ... and, of course, at the outset, those who have served unfairly long terms are going to be the prime candidates for clemency. I completely support the administration in wanting to do this, but I also do understand the risk. The echoes of Willie Horton have to be sounding loud in the ears of the president and whatever Justice Department people he's got ironing out the specifics of this. I'll go on the record in advance stating that even if one or two people with no prior history of violence are released and ultimately become violent offenders now, I'll consider that an acceptable price to pay in order to start remediating some of the excesses of the drug war. But I know that not everyone among the president's general critics is inclined to be so understanding.
April 24, 201411 yr Holder outlined some guidelines for this today. He stated that the prisoners must be low-level offenders sentenced under harsher penalty guidelines than those which exist today. The prisoner must have served 10 years in prison and have no history of violent offenses (I would assume this includes offenses committed while in prison). Further, the prisoner can have no gang ties (again, I assume this would include prison gangs as well as street gangs).
April 30, 201411 yr Sounds reasonable, but remember that this will mean releasing a bunch of people who have been out of circulation since 2004. A heck of a lot has changed since then. I hope that reintegration isn't as high a hurdle as I'm afraid it will be. (Note that I still stand by what I said earlier, and the social costs of reintegration are an acceptable trade in my mind for avoiding the social costs of further incarceration for nonviolent offenders serving 10+ years. But I still worry.)
April 30, 201411 yr I don't really know where to put this, but here is an interesting read on the convergence of Texas's booming population/economy and its small government philosophies. It is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain both. When you are a scarcely populated state (relatively speaking) with an abundance of natural resources, things can look quite grand (see North Dakota). But when your population booms, especially in sprawly faux-urban centers such as D-FW, Houston, SA, etc., the need for governmental investment often outpaces the increased revenue..... especially when you don't have a state income tax. I think traffic congestion and water supply issues are just the tip of the iceberg for Texas. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boom-time-in-texas--jobs--traffic--water-worries-143250407.html
April 30, 201411 yr I don't really know where to put this, but here is an interesting read on the convergence of Texas's booming population/economy and its small government philosophies. It is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain both. When you are a scarcely populated state (relatively speaking) with an abundance of natural resources, things can look quite grand (see North Dakota). But when your population booms, especially in sprawly faux-urban centers such as D-FW, Houston, SA, etc., the need for governmental investment often outpaces the increased revenue..... especially when you don't have a state income tax. I think traffic congestion and water supply issues are just the tip of the iceberg for Texas. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boom-time-in-texas--jobs--traffic--water-worries-143250407.html I'd rather drive in LA now than Dallas--especially if there is any weather.
April 30, 201411 yr Unexpected brain gain boosts Cleveland toward new economy, study finds By Robert L. Smith, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Old industries, aging workers and empty neighborhoods paint a portrait of a Cleveland in steady decline. But a new population study signals that image may be as outdated as a Cuyahoga River fire. While civic leaders worried about brain drain, young professionals from elsewhere were streaming into urban neighborhoods, raising education and income levels and maybe setting the stage for a new economy, researchers say. According to a report from the Center for Population Dynamics at Cleveland State University, the tide has turned toward brain gain, an influx of well-educated people. Cleveland's new challenge is to stoke a new population pattern unfolding at an opportune time. [Read More]
April 30, 201411 yr Charming first paragraph there. Remember, the rule is every PD/Cleveland.com article that dares discuss a positive must be prefaced by detailed negative imagery of the city.
April 30, 201411 yr I've been pounding that quality over quantity drum for years now :) As it pertains to what?
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