It's tough to draw much in the way of conclusions when the changes are less than the margin of error.  But it wouldn't surprise me too much if true.

^based on those estimates, the White-only and Asian-only  GREW in the city!

So to grow Cleveland, you have to grow the black community.

 

 

So to grow Cleveland, you have to grow the black community.

 

Or grow other portions of the population faster than the black community can leave it. *shrug*

 

It is true that the African American population has declined faster than any other group. Using that data going back to 2010, it has declined by 9.3% or about 20,000 people. Now, if they've moved to suburbs to escape some of the more crushingly depressed areas of the east side, this is not so bad for those people, just bad for Cleveland. Indeed, if my calculations are correct, the suburban black population of Cuyahoga County grew by about 12,000, or 7.7%.  If you're into random numbers, if the trend continued into 2017, the Black/AA population will have dipped below majority (50%) status.

 

The white population, while in the 2 years shown above, saw an increase, has declined 6.5% (9,209) since 2010, from 34.9% to 34.3%.

 

The growing populations are Asians, which grew 14.3% from 2010 to 2016 and in 2016 hit the 2% mark, and Latinos, which grew 12.6%, adding 4,711 between 2010 and 2016.

 

Also of note, people reporting as 2 or more races have more than doubled since 2010.

 

 

So to grow Cleveland, you have to grow the black community.

 

Or grow other portions of the population faster than the black community can leave it. *shrug*

 

It is true that the African American population has declined faster than any other group. Using that data going back to 2010, it has declined by 9.3% or about 20,000 people. Now, if they've moved to suburbs to escape some of the more crushingly depressed areas of the east side, this is not so bad for those people, just bad for Cleveland. If you're into random numbers, if the trend continued into 2017, the Black/AA population will have dipped below majority (50%) status.

 

The white population, while in the 2 years shown above, saw an increase, has declined 6.5% (9,209) since 2010, from 34.9% to 34.3%.

 

The growing populations are Asians, which grew 14.3% from 2010 to 2016 and in 2016 hit the 2% mark, and Latinos, which grew 12.6%, adding 4,711 between 2010 and 2016.

 

Also of note, people reporting as 2 or more races have more than doubled since 2010.

 

But since black population is the largest group.  You have to at least stabilize the number number of black residents.

It would be helpful. Coincidentally, the black decline of 20,001 since 2010 almost exactly equals the overall decline (20,056). But it illustrates the point, even a stabilization of the African American population wouldn't have resulted in growth over that period.

 

I edited the post to add that the black suburban population has actually grown by a substantial amount, however that growth, along with gains in every other racial category in terms of raw population, has not managed to replace the exiting white suburban population as they leave the county. The pattern is largely the same - the majority race is moving away from the center, that exodus cannot be replaced by the (mostly) growing minority.  Even among Asians and Latinos, which are the city's biggest gainers, their numbers are growing faster in suburban Cuyahoga than in Cleveland proper.

The Census released demographic estimates for counties and metros yesterday.  I looked at the numbers for the 3-Cs.

 

 

Thanks for putting this together, jonoh81[/member]. I find this demographic information to be endlessly interesting.

 

Couple of points that jumped out at me:

 

- Columbus is simply killing it right now. I really don't know why, but the region is definitely experiencing a boom. It's growth among all races is very impressive.

 

- I didn't know Cincinnati was so much whiter than Cleveland or Columbus. The part of the region I grew up in was pretty diverse, so I guess I never realized this, but I suppose there are whole parts of the metro (NKY, far east and far west sides) that are just about as white as it gets.

 

- I was surprised to see Cincinnati had more Asians than Cleveland, even though Hamilton County had far fewer than Cuyahoga. This speaks to the large Asian population in Warren County. I'm sure there is a decent amount in Butler County, too. The heart of the Asian community in metro Cincinnati is in the northern suburban counties and the northern portions of Hamilton County.

 

So it seems that the bulk of Cleveland's population decline comes from the Black/African American population. The population dropped by around 4,000 from 2015 to 2016 while virtually every other group grew. Seeing how the east side is predominately black and also is in TERRIBLE shape, which in turn has led to massive flight, this isn't surprising. Stabilize the Black population and I feel we will see Cleveland's population stabilize as well.

 

I don't really understand this. According to the info jonoh81[/member] provided, Metro Cleveland lost over 51,000 (!) whites and 3,000 blacks between 2010 and 2017. It grew in Hispanics and Asians.

* I now see you were referring to Cleveland city not metro. Still, the losses at the regional level are a bit alarming.

Do these statistics count Indians as "Asian"? 

Do these statistics count Indians as "Asian"?

 

Yes.

https://cin.ci/2zdgkZc

 

“Cleveland-Elyria, Toledo and the Youngstown area the three Ohio regions that are among the places that have had the largest net decline in population as a result of migration between 2010 and 2017, according to a 24/7 Wall Street review of population figures from the U.S. Census Bureau’s Population Estimates Program.“

 

What’s going on in Cleveland?

change in economy from heavy manufacturing to service based. The manufacturing jobs that are around rely on less people. People move because they are seeking the jobs and the industries that grew Ohio do not provide the level of jobs that they once did.

 

It is not that the other regions are doing anything right. Florida took advantage of a tourism economy that grew because of the prosperity of the North. People came for the jobs. Silicon Valley developed around tech and people came for the jobs. The jobs in Cleveland, even the biotech sector are not creating the volume of jobs to supplant all the factor workers who were once employed in the factories.

change in economy from heavy manufacturing to service based. The manufacturing jobs that are around rely on less people. People move because they are seeking the jobs and the industries that grew Ohio do not provide the level of jobs that they once did.

 

It is not that the other regions are doing anything right. Florida took advantage of a tourism economy that grew because of the prosperity of the North. People came for the jobs. Silicon Valley developed around tech and people came for the jobs. The jobs in Cleveland, even the biotech sector are not creating the volume of jobs to supplant all the factor workers who were once employed in the factories.

 

 

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

change in economy from heavy manufacturing to service based. The manufacturing jobs that are around rely on less people. People move because they are seeking the jobs and the industries that grew Ohio do not provide the level of jobs that they once did.

 

It is not that the other regions are doing anything right. Florida took advantage of a tourism economy that grew because of the prosperity of the North. People came for the jobs. Silicon Valley developed around tech and people came for the jobs. The jobs in Cleveland, even the biotech sector are not creating the volume of jobs to supplant all the factor workers who were once employed in the factories.

 

 

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

 

Add Miami to this list. In my experience, at least in the finance and business world, Columbus companies recruit Miami just as hard as they recruit OSU and OU.

I don’t get Columbus...the central business district is for the most part dead, with many vacant lots.

 

The short north neighborhood is great, but everything around that general area feels catered to osu students.

 

Columbus definitely gave me the feeling of a college town that has transitioned into a college city of sorts. Columbus is great I’ll admit and has a unique vibe (thanks in part to the osu student body)...but there is something that makes you feel “old” and, “out of place” when walking around the streets of Columbus.

change in economy from heavy manufacturing to service based. The manufacturing jobs that are around rely on less people. People move because they are seeking the jobs and the industries that grew Ohio do not provide the level of jobs that they once did.

 

It is not that the other regions are doing anything right. Florida took advantage of a tourism economy that grew because of the prosperity of the North. People came for the jobs. Silicon Valley developed around tech and people came for the jobs. The jobs in Cleveland, even the biotech sector are not creating the volume of jobs to supplant all the factor workers who were once employed in the factories.

 

Its stunning how many eds and meds jobs are being created in Cleveland. And even more stunning how it's not able to overcome the loss in manufacturing, transportation and even public sector jobs. Yet there are thousands of warehouse and manufacturing jobs available in the suburbs, but they are too far away and not accessible by public transportation that low-income people in/near the urban core can't reach them or they lack the skills/training to obtain them. Finally, the saddest part of this story is that few decision-makers, be they in the public or private sector, in the region are aware of this or doing anything to address it.

I don’t get Columbus...the central business district is for the most part dead, with many vacant lots.

 

The short north neighborhood is great, but everything around that general area feels catered to osu students.

 

Columbus definitely gave me the feeling of a college town that has transitioned into a college city of sorts. Columbus is great I’ll admit and has a unique vibe (thanks in part to the osu student body)...but there is something that makes you feel “old” and, “out of place” when walking around the streets of Columbus.

 

Based on this comment, it sounds like the last time you visited Columbus was at least 10 years ago.

Cleveland is pursuing innovative technologies. The Lake Erie windfarm is 18 years in the making. It will employ hundreds and have 168 million in economic impact. Although, Columbus politicians have decided to stall the project for years. They recently approved it, but not without strings of ridiculous regulations. Columbus pursued driverless technology and received the full support from the state. Why didn’t ODOT stall that project for years. I mean autonomous vehicles have a much greater potential to harm humans. Nevertheless, like the Columbus politicians said, it has something to do with our “culture”. Northeast Ohio just doesn’t want to evolve from the old manufacturing roots. ;)

I don’t get Columbus...the central business district is for the most part dead, with many vacant lots.

 

The short north neighborhood is great, but everything around that general area feels catered to osu students.

 

Columbus definitely gave me the feeling of a college town that has transitioned into a college city of sorts. Columbus is great I’ll admit and has a unique vibe (thanks in part to the osu student body)...but there is something that makes you feel “old” and, “out of place” when walking around the streets of Columbus.

 

Based on this comment, it sounds like the last time you visited Columbus was at least 10 years ago.

 

I was there for the first time last Saturday. I think Columbus was fun, since I’m still in that age range of being a college student...

I don’t get Columbus...the central business district is for the most part dead, with many vacant lots.

 

The short north neighborhood is great, but everything around that general area feels catered to osu students.

 

Columbus definitely gave me the feeling of a college town that has transitioned into a college city of sorts. Columbus is great I’ll admit and has a unique vibe (thanks in part to the osu student body)...but there is something that makes you feel “old” and, “out of place” when walking around the streets of Columbus.

 

I think the youthful vibrancy you're talking about is one of Columbus' most attractive characteristics to a lot of people that move there. 

The CBD had a lot more daytime vibrancy before 30-minute lunches and the internet happened.

3Cesus, forgive troeros[/member] , for he knows not what he does.

I’m sorry. I’m just sharing my opinion. I spent the entire day in Columbus, and checked out as many, “must see” areas as I could with my friends.

 

I love the young vibe that Columbus has. But it seems that energy is extremely concentrated in the short north area/campus district area. When you travel farther away from that area the rest of downtown Columbus seems quiet dead in comparison.

 

In cincy, it sort of reminded me of Clifton gas light district/Northside and a smidge of otr on steroids. Great atmosphere. But very concentrated and felt very catered for osu student population.

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

 

There are some "hip" advancements in agriculture and state-level government operations, I guess. I'll agree that Columbus has had more job growth than Cleveland in recent years, but I've never heard of Columbus, OH being perceived by anyone as a 'hip' city, especially when compared to Cleveland. If I had to rank the 3C's--it would be CLE, Cinci, Columbus.

Walking up and down short north you will see this hip vibe. Musicians on the street, a lot of pedestrians of different back grounds and diversity. Food trucks on a lot of blocks, a lot of eclectic shops/dive bars, a lot of late night food options (loved cluck a doodle do by the udf convience store).

 

My car got towed on short north and didn’t end up leaving till 6am because I had difficulties finding a working arm. But even super late at night I noticed there were still crowds on the street, musicians playing street music, food trucks bustling...and all of this was like at 4 am.

 

Funny enough some of the areas of short north did look a little sketchy (mainly because of the vacant grassy lot and some of then older buildings looked in bad shape)...and the main guy who was at shamrock towing was saying to our group how worried for us when we left and how he keeps a revolver by his side at all times because of the crime. He said there were 9 gun shots across the street.

 

I didn’t really get any high crime vibe. The area felt less sketchy than OTR for example.

The job growth is in Obetz, Groveport, West Jefferson and Grove City.

 

Warehouse Rules Everything Around Columbus (W.R.E.A.C)

The job growth is in Obetz, Groveport, West Jefferson and Grove City.

 

Warehouse Rules Everything Around Columbus (W.R.E.A.C)

 

And Pataskala, or Etna to be more specific. There are a ton of warehouse jobs there too with Amazon and various others.

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

 

There are some "hip" advancements in agriculture and state-level government operations, I guess. I'll agree that Columbus has had more job growth than Cleveland in recent years, but I've never heard of Columbus, OH being perceived by anyone as a 'hip' city, especially when compared to Cleveland. If I had to rank the 3C's--it would be CLE, Cinci, Columbus.

 

 

I love Cincy and Cleveland both, especially Cincy (I live here after all). But among my peer group (late 20s, early 30s) Columbus is definitely seen as the most hip of the three, hands down. It's really not even close. It's a hot destination for young professionals from all over the Midwest and even the east coast. When I lived on the east coast and said I was from Ohio I often heard people saying they wanted to check out Columbus because they've heard good things. That was never the case with Cincy or Cleveland unfortunately. The old "cow town" reputation of Cbus is pretty unknown among people under 35 I'd say.

I’m sorry. I’m just sharing my opinion. I spent the entire day in Columbus, and checked out as many, “must see” areas as I could with my friends.

 

I love the young vibe that Columbus has. But it seems that energy is extremely concentrated in the short north area/campus district area. When you travel farther away from that area the rest of downtown Columbus seems quiet dead in comparison.

 

In cincy, it sort of reminded me of Clifton gas light district/Northside and a smidge of otr on steroids. Great atmosphere. But very concentrated and felt very catered for osu student population.

 

I would imagine most mid-size cities like Columbus or Cincinnati have concentrated pockets of street energy.  Indianapolis has Broad-Ripple, Austin has 6th Street, etc.  Obviously you're not going to find that in mostly residential neighborhoods away from the core. 

 

And I actually don't think the Short North caters to mostly OSU students.  In fact, it seems to be the opposite where a lot of the people coming to the SN these days are older suburbanites. 

 

As for it looking sketchy, that can't be said for anywhere south of at least 2nd Avenue, which is the main area of the Short North, including both neighborhoods on either side of High.  In fact, there's not a single vacant lot south of 2nd now.  There are a couple surface parking lots, but they serve existing businesses, or in the case of the Graystone lot at Hubbard and High, apartments.  I'm actually not even sure where you would've been to see a "grassy lot".  I suspect you were either in the far northern boundary near 4th or 5th Avenues, which haven't yet seen peak redevelopment, or out of the SN altogether, perhaps in the area just south of Campus. 

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

 

There are some "hip" advancements in agriculture and state-level government operations, I guess. I'll agree that Columbus has had more job growth than Cleveland in recent years, but I've never heard of Columbus, OH being perceived by anyone as a 'hip' city, especially when compared to Cleveland. If I had to rank the 3C's--it would be CLE, Cinci, Columbus.

 

 

I love Cincy and Cleveland both, especially Cincy (I live here after all). But among my peer group (late 20s, early 30s) Columbus is definitely seen as the most hip of the three, hands down. It's really not even close. It's a hot destination for young professionals from all over the Midwest and even the east coast. When I lived on the east coast and said I was from Ohio I often heard people saying they wanted to check out Columbus because they've heard good things. That was never the case with Cincy or Cleveland unfortunately. The old "cow town" reputation of Cbus is pretty unknown among people under 35 I'd say.

 

Truth. Also, let's not pretend the SN is the only "cool" place in the city. Pockets of downtown are really starting to become popular with the younger professional crowd. Grandview is like a young professional's paradise. Even Easton, for as much crap as us Urban-obsessed weirdos like to give it, is incredibly popular even with the young professional crowd. There is far more to Columbus than just the SN, and if you only limit yourself to the SN you will completely miss how it is that Columbus is booming.

I’m sorry. I’m just sharing my opinion. I spent the entire day in Columbus, and checked out as many, “must see” areas as I could with my friends.

 

I love the young vibe that Columbus has. But it seems that energy is extremely concentrated in the short north area/campus district area. When you travel farther away from that area the rest of downtown Columbus seems quiet dead in comparison.

 

In cincy, it sort of reminded me of Clifton gas light district/Northside and a smidge of otr on steroids. Great atmosphere. But very concentrated and felt very catered for osu student population.

 

I would imagine most mid-size cities like Columbus or Cincinnati have concentrated pockets of street energy.  Indianapolis has Broad-Ripple, Austin has 6th Street, etc.  Obviously you're not going to find that in mostly residential neighborhoods away from the core. 

 

And I actually don't think the Short North caters to mostly OSU students.  In fact, it seems to be the opposite where a lot of the people coming to the SN these days are older suburbanites. 

 

I think the SN caters to a good mix of folks. You can find a hangout spot no matter what your age is. Once you go north of the Kroger on High Street you get into the area where pretty much everything is catered to OSU students, but that is not part of the SN.

I’m sorry. I’m just sharing my opinion. I spent the entire day in Columbus, and checked out as many, “must see” areas as I could with my friends.

 

I love the young vibe that Columbus has. But it seems that energy is extremely concentrated in the short north area/campus district area. When you travel farther away from that area the rest of downtown Columbus seems quiet dead in comparison.

 

In cincy, it sort of reminded me of Clifton gas light district/Northside and a smidge of otr on steroids. Great atmosphere. But very concentrated and felt very catered for osu student population.

 

I would imagine most mid-size cities like Columbus or Cincinnati have concentrated pockets of street energy.  Indianapolis has Broad-Ripple, Austin has 6th Street, etc.  Obviously you're not going to find that in mostly residential neighborhoods away from the core. 

 

And I actually don't think the Short North caters to mostly OSU students.  In fact, it seems to be the opposite where a lot of the people coming to the SN these days are older suburbanites. 

 

I think the SN caters to a good mix of folks. You can find a hangout spot no matter what your age is. Once you go north of the Kroger on High Street you get into the area where pretty much everything is catered to OSU students, but that is not part of the SN.

 

Right, I just don't think the SN has ever really catered to OSU students.  Back in my early 20s when I was going out a lot, it seems a lot of the students would end up either on Park Street or just stick to the area around Campus itself.  The SN then was basically the gay neighborhood.  Today, the SN is yuppified enough to the point where you go in any restaurant or bar and it's families, young couples, suburbanites, etc., but not necessarily the "bros" and such of OSU. 

change in economy from heavy manufacturing to service based. The manufacturing jobs that are around rely on less people. People move because they are seeking the jobs and the industries that grew Ohio do not provide the level of jobs that they once did.

 

It is not that the other regions are doing anything right. Florida took advantage of a tourism economy that grew because of the prosperity of the North. People came for the jobs. Silicon Valley developed around tech and people came for the jobs. The jobs in Cleveland, even the biotech sector are not creating the volume of jobs to supplant all the factor workers who were once employed in the factories.

 

 

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

 

Add Miami to this list. In my experience, at least in the finance and business world, Columbus companies recruit Miami just as hard as they recruit OSU and OU.

 

 

Absolutely a lot of Miami grads in Columbus, but those folks never really had a huge presence in Cleveland. Miami grads cluster in Cincy, Cbus, and Chicago.

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

 

There are some "hip" advancements in agriculture and state-level government operations, I guess. I'll agree that Columbus has had more job growth than Cleveland in recent years, but I've never heard of Columbus, OH being perceived by anyone as a 'hip' city, especially when compared to Cleveland. If I had to rank the 3C's--it would be CLE, Cinci, Columbus.

 

 

I love Cincy and Cleveland both, especially Cincy (I live here after all). But among my peer group (late 20s, early 30s) Columbus is definitely seen as the most hip of the three, hands down. It's really not even close. It's a hot destination for young professionals from all over the Midwest and even the east coast. When I lived on the east coast and said I was from Ohio I often heard people saying they wanted to check out Columbus because they've heard good things. That was never the case with Cincy or Cleveland unfortunately. The old "cow town" reputation of Cbus is pretty unknown among people under 35 I'd say.

 

Interesting...again I love the diversity of the pedestrians on the Columbus streets...but I’m curious what makes Columbus more hip?

 

I found that a lot of what short north had wasn’t that different than otr/Pendleton has (as far as the density of bars and over priced restaurants are concerned) ...expect short north is way father gentrified than otr.

 

To me, what made the area seem hip was the people, and from many of them that I talked to were students at osu.

The job growth is in Obetz, Groveport, West Jefferson and Grove City.

 

Warehouse Rules Everything Around Columbus (W.R.E.A.C)

 

And Pataskala, or Etna to be more specific. There are a ton of warehouse jobs there too with Amazon and various others.

 

Columbus isn't getting Clevelands hip young professionals.  Our blue collar workers are moving to fill your warehouse and factory jobs.  There's a lot of population and migration data out there that supports this.  I'll post as soon as I can find it. 

I'll add that college grads from OU, Kent, Akron, and BGSU who used to end up in Cleveland in large numbers are increasingly ending up in Columbus. There are more jobs that college grads are looking for there, the weather is better, and it's perceived as being a more hip city.

 

There are some "hip" advancements in agriculture and state-level government operations, I guess. I'll agree that Columbus has had more job growth than Cleveland in recent years, but I've never heard of Columbus, OH being perceived by anyone as a 'hip' city, especially when compared to Cleveland. If I had to rank the 3C's--it would be CLE, Cinci, Columbus.

 

 

I love Cincy and Cleveland both, especially Cincy (I live here after all). But among my peer group (late 20s, early 30s) Columbus is definitely seen as the most hip of the three, hands down. It's really not even close. It's a hot destination for young professionals from all over the Midwest and even the east coast. When I lived on the east coast and said I was from Ohio I often heard people saying they wanted to check out Columbus because they've heard good things. That was never the case with Cincy or Cleveland unfortunately. The old "cow town" reputation of Cbus is pretty unknown among people under 35 I'd say.

 

Interesting...again I love the diversity of the pedestrians on the Columbus streets...but I’m curious what makes Columbus more hip?

 

I found that a lot of what short north had wasn’t that different than otr/Pendleton has (as far as the density of bars and over priced restaurants are concerned) ...expect short north is way father gentrified than otr.

 

To me, what made the area seem hip was the people, and from many of them that I talked to were students at osu.

 

Again, there is more to Columbus than the SN. I know a ton of people that spend every weekend in the SN and I know a ton of people that never go to the SN. There are also many more factors that effect population growth than simply the "hip vibe" of the city. Columbus is very easy to navigate around. Columbus is relatively cheap. Columbus is convenient for recent college grads of one of the largest universities in the country. Columbus is a very easy city to live in. All of these factor into population growth. If you are simply going to focus on how hip the city you are going to miss a lot of the reasons that are driving the growth.

The job growth is in Obetz, Groveport, West Jefferson and Grove City.

 

Warehouse Rules Everything Around Columbus (W.R.E.A.C)

 

And Pataskala, or Etna to be more specific. There are a ton of warehouse jobs there too with Amazon and various others.

 

Columbus isn't getting Clevelands hip young professionals.  Our blue collar workers are moving to fill your warehouse and factory jobs.  There's a lot of population and migration data out there that supports this.  I'll post as soon as I can find it. 

 

Hmmm, not sure about that first simply based on my personal experiences, but if you have data I would love to see it. OSU is full of Clevelanders, many of whom stay in Columbus after graduation. Logically speaking, I don't buy the idea that people who work in warehouses are moving from Cleveland to Columbus for a new warehouse job. It's hard enough to move 20 minutes to the suburb next door, let alone move two and a half hours down 71 for a new warehouse job.

 

Again, this is solely based on my experience and using logic, but if you can find that data I would love to see it. 

The job growth is in Obetz, Groveport, West Jefferson and Grove City.

 

Warehouse Rules Everything Around Columbus (W.R.E.A.C)

 

And Pataskala, or Etna to be more specific. There are a ton of warehouse jobs there too with Amazon and various others.

 

Columbus isn't getting Clevelands hip young professionals.  Our blue collar workers are moving to fill your warehouse and factory jobs.  There's a lot of population and migration data out there that supports this.  I'll post as soon as I can find it. 

 

Hmmm, not sure about that first simply based on my personal experiences, but if you have data I would love to see it. OSU is full of Clevelanders, many of whom stay in Columbus after graduation. Logically speaking, I don't buy the idea that people who work in warehouses are moving from Cleveland to Columbus for a new warehouse job. It's hard enough to move 20 minutes to the suburb next door, let alone move two and a half hours down 71 for a new warehouse job.

 

Again, this is solely based on my experience and using logic, but if you can find that data I would love to see it. 

 

Your personal experience and use of "logic" couldn't possibly know or understand the intricacies of intra-county people/demographic migration.  Impossible. 

The warehouses are fighting to the death over Uncool Crescent natives as employees. Indeed, few people are moving to town over warehouse jobs -- naturally.

The warehouses are fighting to the death over Uncool Crescent natives as employees. Indeed, few people are moving to town over warehouse jobs -- naturally.

 

People don't move for warehouse jobs.  They might commute a ridiculous distance, but they don't move. 

Also, can we cool the fallacy regarding the booming job growth in cbus? Every metro in the state of Ohio is below the national average.  Check the numbers.....Cbus is currently tied with Cincy and behind Cleveland in terms of job growth yr / yr.

 

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

The warehouses are fighting to the death over Uncool Crescent natives as employees. Indeed, few people are moving to town over warehouse jobs -- naturally.

 

People don't move for warehouse jobs.  They might commute a ridiculous distance, but they don't move. 

 

Some people do.

The job growth is in Obetz, Groveport, West Jefferson and Grove City.

 

Warehouse Rules Everything Around Columbus (W.R.E.A.C)

 

And Pataskala, or Etna to be more specific. There are a ton of warehouse jobs there too with Amazon and various others.

 

Columbus isn't getting Clevelands hip young professionals.  Our blue collar workers are moving to fill your warehouse and factory jobs.  There's a lot of population and migration data out there that supports this.  I'll post as soon as I can find it. 

 

Hmmm, not sure about that first simply based on my personal experiences, but if you have data I would love to see it. OSU is full of Clevelanders, many of whom stay in Columbus after graduation. Logically speaking, I don't buy the idea that people who work in warehouses are moving from Cleveland to Columbus for a new warehouse job. It's hard enough to move 20 minutes to the suburb next door, let alone move two and a half hours down 71 for a new warehouse job.

 

Again, this is solely based on my experience and using logic, but if you can find that data I would love to see it. 

 

Your personal experience and use of "logic" couldn't possibly know or understand the intricacies of intra-county people/demographic migration.  Impossible. 

 

Relax there sport, I understand that. That is why I was asking for your data. It doesn't make sense to me for the reasons I laid out, and as a result I want to see the data. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm simply saying I want to see the data to prove you are right. Until then, all I have is my personal experience and my logic.

Some people do.

 

Yeah, like 5.  Hardly any warehouses pay more than about $16/hr for starting positions. 

The warehouses are fighting to the death over Uncool Crescent natives as employees. Indeed, few people are moving to town over warehouse jobs -- naturally.

 

I'm thinking Columbus does gain people from SE Ohio and Kentucky and West Virginia for those types of jobs, honestly.  A lot of the area's warehouse concentration is on the South Side and southern suburbs- exactly where a lot of those transplants end up moving.  This is supported in part by the fact that every single southern suburb voted for Trump in Franklin County, while all but 1 central and northern suburb went Clinton. 

Some people do.

 

Yeah, like 5.  Hardly any warehouses pay more than about $16/hr for starting positions. 

 

Thousands have left the cleveland metro area for blue collar work in cbus.  Literally thousands.  Factory/warehouse as well as other positions in all of the different trades.  Some of those jobs pay well over 16/hr. 

Thousands have left the cleveland metro area for blue collar work in cbus.  Literally thousands.  Factory/warehouse as well as other positions in all of the different trades.  Some of those jobs pay well over 16/hr. 

 

Factory and warehouse are two entirely different things, as are "trade"/warehouse.  Warehouse work is bottom of the pile blue collar work.  Driving a forklift or a cherry picker is not considered a "trade" or a "skill" (you can learn in 2-3 days), and so nobody is paid well unless you're handling pharmaceuticals or something hazardous. 

 

Some people do.

 

Yeah, like 5.  Hardly any warehouses pay more than about $16/hr for starting positions. 

 

Thousands have left the cleveland metro area for blue collar work in cbus.  Literally thousands.  Factory/warehouse as well as other positions in all of the different trades.  Some of those jobs pay well over 16/hr. 

 

What we would like to see is the data proving that Columbus is getting the blue collar workers from Cleveland rather than the young professionals like you initially suggested.

Some people do.

 

Yeah, like 5.  Hardly any warehouses pay more than about $16/hr for starting positions. 

 

Thousands have left the cleveland metro area for blue collar work in cbus.  Literally thousands.  Factory/warehouse as well as other positions in all of the different trades.  Some of those jobs pay well over 16/hr. 

 

What we would like to see is the data proving that Columbus is getting the blue collar workers from Cleveland rather than the young professionals like you initially suggested.

 

I'm working on finding the studies.  In the meantime, you can post data that back up your assertions. 

The job growth is in Obetz, Groveport, West Jefferson and Grove City.

 

Warehouse Rules Everything Around Columbus (W.R.E.A.C)

 

And Pataskala, or Etna to be more specific. There are a ton of warehouse jobs there too with Amazon and various others.

 

Columbus isn't getting Clevelands hip young professionals.  Our blue collar workers are moving to fill your warehouse and factory jobs.  There's a lot of population and migration data out there that supports this.  I'll post as soon as I can find it. 

 

Hmmm, not sure about that first simply based on my personal experiences, but if you have data I would love to see it. OSU is full of Clevelanders, many of whom stay in Columbus after graduation. Logically speaking, I don't buy the idea that people who work in warehouses are moving from Cleveland to Columbus for a new warehouse job. It's hard enough to move 20 minutes to the suburb next door, let alone move two and a half hours down 71 for a new warehouse job.

 

Again, this is solely based on my experience and using logic, but if you can find that data I would love to see it. 

 

Your personal experience and use of "logic" couldn't possibly know or understand the intricacies of intra-county people/demographic migration.  Impossible. 

 

Relax there sport, I understand that. That is why I was asking for your data. It doesn't make sense to me for the reasons I laid out, and as a result I want to see the data. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm simply saying I want to see the data to prove you are right. Until then, all I have is my personal experience and my logic.

 

 

The irony of someone making an assertion without data and then calling you out for questioning it based on the fact that you didn't give any data. I, too, would like to see the data. Most of my college friends were from the Cleveland area and only one of them ended up back there. Multiple are in Columbus now. It's anecdotal, but until I see data otherwise it's all I got. This isn't a knock on Cleveland either. I love Cleveland and would love to see it retain more college grads and even attract people from around the country. I do think it suffers, though, in that it doesn't have a major state university. Lots of folks from all over Ohio go to OU and OSU and then end up in Columbus because of proximity and networking. Over half of UC grads stay in Cincy for the same reason. CSU just doesn't have the same pull across the state.

The warehouses are fighting to the death over Uncool Crescent natives as employees. Indeed, few people are moving to town over warehouse jobs -- naturally.

 

I'm thinking Columbus does gain people from SE Ohio and Kentucky and West Virginia for those types of jobs, honestly.  A lot of the area's warehouse concentration is on the South Side and southern suburbs- exactly where a lot of those transplants end up moving.  This is supported in part by the fact that every single southern suburb voted for Trump in Franklin County, while all but 1 central and northern suburb went Clinton. 

 

I feel like a lot of them were already here. They don't call it Grovetucky for nothin' and every trailer park in '90s Ashville was full of Appalachian backgrounds. And the South Side might as well be North Portsmouth.