1 minute ago, JSC216 said:

I guess I don’t understand what there is to argue about. We are looking at the population within a certain radius from downtown. This population affects many things about our cities. Dead zones, regardless of the type, impact the vitality of the core. In Cleveland the lake does eat up a ton of space that would have otherwise been residential. It’s clear to see the actual impacts of that when visiting downtown. Cities without large dead zones are at a natural advantage but that doesn’t make the comparison unfair. Cleveland has to overcome the lake with greater density, something that it hasn’t done. In addition, like mentioned before,  downtown is surrounded by many man made dead zones as well, from light industry to the east, interchanges to the south, and the river and industry to the west. 

 

If someone has a natural advantage how does it make comparisons fair?

30 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

^ Unless all city's geographical barriers are the same, your comparisons are pointless, as others have noted. Comparing Cleveland of today vs 1950 makes more sense because of the like data points.

 

They weren't my comparisons.  As for comparing cities today to their 1950 boundaries, I can do that. Several years ago, I went through the Census archives to find the original 1950 census tracts the 3 Cs.  Although there have been a lot of changes to them over the years, since the Census keeps records of how individual tracts changed into others, it was just a matter of following the progression.  It's not going to be *exact*, but it's the closest we can possibly have.

Here they are.  2017 is the latest year available.  2018 comes out later this month.

Total Population By Year for the same 1950 Boundary, Area Size and Density 

Cleveland

1950: 914,798- 75.0- 12197.3

1960: 877,814- 75.0- 11704.2

1970: 750,191- 75.0- 10002.5

1980: 573,667- 75.0- 7648.9

1990: 495,530- 75.0- 6435.5

2000: 468,451- 75.0- 6246.0

2010: 380,891- 75.0- 5078.5

2017: 374,891- 75.0- 4998.5

 

Cincinnati

1950: 503,998- 75.1- 6711.0

1960: 498,607- 75.1- 6639.2

1970: 448,652- 75.1- 5974.1

1980: 381,268- 75.1- 5076.8

1990: 365,853- 75.1- 4871.5

2000: 337,234- 75.1- 4490.5

2010: 278,509- 75.1- 3708.5

2017: 280,901- 75.1- 3740.4

 

Columbus

1950: 375,710- 39.4- 9535.8

1960: 389,222- 39.4- 9878.7

1970: 348,808- 39.4- 8853.0

1980: 287,089- 39.4- 7286.5

1990: 268,265- 39.4- 6808.8

2000: 246,713- 39.4- 6261.8

2010: 234,582- 39.4- 5953.9

2017: 241,148- 39.4- 6120.5

 

^ Thanks, that is good stuff!

Fascinating that Cleveland and Cincinnati were almost the exact same size.

10 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

If someone has a natural advantage how does it make comparisons fair?

Because regardless Cleveland still only has that many people surrounding downtown. That affects the activity and vitality of downtown. Also a great reason for the sad state of retail downtown. 

29 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Fascinating that Cleveland and Cincinnati were almost the exact same size.

 

They are still almost the exact same size in terms of land. Cleveland has 77.70 sq/mi of land and Cincinnati has 77.94 sq/mi of land. So they've each annexed just under 3 miles of land since 1950. In contrast, Columbus has ballooned to 217.17 sq/mi of land, an increase of nearly 180 sq/mi. 

31 minutes ago, JSC216 said:

Because regardless Cleveland still only has that many people surrounding downtown. That affects the activity and vitality of downtown. Also a great reason for the sad state of retail downtown. 

 

While that all may be true, it still doesn't make city to city comparisons fair. Just look at Buffalo for proof - how's their downtown retail scene?  

9 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

They are still almost the exact same size in terms of land. Cleveland has 77.70 sq/mi of land and Cincinnati has 77.94 sq/mi of land. So they've each annexed just under 3 miles of land since 1950. In contrast, Columbus has ballooned to 217.17 sq/mi of land, an increase of nearly 180 sq/mi. 

 

180 is nothing.  Between 1950-2010,  Houston grew by 440 square miles, Phoenix by 500, Jacksonville by 717, Indy by 310, Austin by 266, Charlotte by 268, San Antonio by 338, Nashville by 453, Oklahoma City by 556, etc.  A few of these were county-city mergers, but the result is the same.  Columbus' total size growth over the period is closer to the mean of major cities, and it has virtually stopped significant size growth while many Sun Belt cities continue to annex like crazy.

Edited December 11, 20195 yr by jonoh81

7 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

While that all may be true, it still doesn't make city to city comparisons fair. Just look at Buffalo for proof - how's their downtown retail scene?  

Buffalo has numbers comparable to other cities with no downtown retail. There are also other factors that come into play for retail, like the income of that population. 

3 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

180 is nothing.  Between 1950-2010,  Houston grew by 440 square miles, Phoenix by 500, Jacksonville by 717, Indy by 310, Austin by 266, Charlotte by 268, San Antonio by 338, Nashville by 453, Oklahoma City by 556, etc.  Columbus' total size growth over the period is closer to the mean of major cities.

 

Jesus who paid for those water and sewer lines

Jesus, who paid for those water and sewer lines

Jesus, who paid for those water and sewer lines?

 

5 minutes ago, JSC216 said:

Buffalo has numbers comparable to other cities with no downtown retail. There are also other factors that come into play for retail, like the income of that population. 

 

Which numbers are you looking at? Buffalo's 1mi population is greater than cities such as Phoenix, Dallas, Austin and Columbus.

Edited December 11, 20195 yr by Clefan98

4 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Which numbers are you looking at? Buffalo's 1mi population is greater than cities such as Phoenix, Dallas, Austin and Columbus.

2 mile

In case anyone is wondering when Cincinnati and Columbus' 1950 boundaries started increasing in population, Cincinnati looks to have bottomed out around the 2010 Census.  and since 2011 has bounced around between 279,639 and 2017's 280,901. Though there has been an increase since 2010, the estimates have more of a steady state in the 1950 core.

Columbus bottomed out in 2012, at 229,081.  Since then, it's been a steady increase.

 

I suspect, however, that in both cases the 2020 Census will be better than the estimates. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/12/13/how-does-greater-cincinnati-s-economic-growth.html?ana=e_du_prem&j=90344781&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWkRFMU9UbGhPVFF3TWpSaCIsInQiOiJod0x4a2tCdjczaFwvc1JLNlhjdWpzQTVXR0hSbkh5dXBjSXdIWloralRWVWJFV2VMbGhWV1pBK0JhMkdYTEFqWlpVSXpmTzNnbVBlRjJFNmY1RWRmbWE3K1NXdEkxcHJOUkZ6OU0wNjNNVURaN0MxQmozZFV0Tjc1Rno0M1lSNVYifQ%3D%3D

41 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/12/13/how-does-greater-cincinnati-s-economic-growth.html?ana=e_du_prem&j=90344781&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWkRFMU9UbGhPVFF3TWpSaCIsInQiOiJod0x4a2tCdjczaFwvc1JLNlhjdWpzQTVXR0hSbkh5dXBjSXdIWloralRWVWJFV2VMbGhWV1pBK0JhMkdYTEFqWlpVSXpmTzNnbVBlRjJFNmY1RWRmbWE3K1NXdEkxcHJOUkZ6OU0wNjNNVURaN0MxQmozZFV0Tjc1Rno0M1lSNVYifQ%3D%3D

 

 

What's up with Chicago?  That's pretty distressing.  I read several years ago that our Second City is in danger of falling to #5 behind Dallas and Houston in the 2030s and I'm seeing no evidence here to the contrary.  

1 minute ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

 

What's up with Chicago?  That's pretty distressing.  I read several years ago that our Second City is in danger of falling to #5 behind Dallas and Houston in the 2030s and I'm seeing no evidence here to the contrary.  

 

Chicago is in a unique position where the city, the county, the MSA, the CSA, and the state are ALL declining.

22 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

Chicago is in a unique position where the city, the county, the MSA, the CSA, and the state are ALL declining.

 

Thanks, Obama.  

An African-American friend of mine in Chicago is concerned about many of his neighbors on the south side and other POCs leaving not only the city but the metro area entirely. He shares articles with me that document this trend. Ironically, many are moving back to the South where their ancestors came from 50-100 years ago. He says it costs less, there's jobs to be had, is probably safer and at least they know how they'll be treated. I find that last part incredibly sad.

 

I have to wonder if the same thing is happening here on Cleveland's East Side.

I've wondered this about every big or 'hot' city.  At what point are big cities going to be 80%+ rich white people?  Some despise that there are people fighting gentrification, but that is the end result if we let the market decide.

 

And despite what some may think, a less diverse population is an absolutely horrible thing for a city.

Edited December 14, 20195 yr by 10albersa

4 hours ago, KJP said:

An African-American friend of mine in Chicago is concerned about many of his neighbors on the south side and other POCs leaving not only the city but the metro area entirely. He shares articles with me that document this trend. Ironically, many are moving back to the South where their ancestors came from 50-100 years ago. He says it costs less, there's jobs to be had, is probably safer and at least they know how they'll be treated. I find that last part incredibly sad.

 

I have to wonder if the same thing is happening here on Cleveland's East Side.

I saw somewhere where the black population of Columbus and Franklin County is increasing at a good rate. Ok it was city data forums(I am not a member but check it out sometimes.

 

https://www.city-data.com/forum/general-u-s/3092490-black-demographic-growth-city-2010s.html

 

Since 2010 Columbus has gained more blacks than Cleveland has lost apparently.  Of course that is city limits only apparently-not the best measure.

 

Metro wise it looks like of the 75 largest metros regarding percentage of black population in 2017, Columbus cracked the top 25 and Cleveland is at number 18.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/432650/us-metropolitan-areas-with-the-highest-percentage-of-black-population/

Edited December 14, 20195 yr by Toddguy

13 hours ago, KJP said:

An African-American friend of mine in Chicago is concerned about many of his neighbors on the south side and other POCs leaving not only the city but the metro area entirely. He shares articles with me that document this trend. Ironically, many are moving back to the South where their ancestors came from 50-100 years ago. He says it costs less, there's jobs to be had, is probably safer and at least they know how they'll be treated. I find that last part incredibly sad.

 

I have to wonder if the same thing is happening here on Cleveland's East Side.

 

I generally think that the "Reverse Great Migration" is far more media-hyped than what it is in reality.  Data actually points to most AAs who leave Chicago just ending up in the greater metro, other parts of Illinois or other places in the Midwest rather than the South.  And AAs don't appear to be moving to the South in any greater numbers than other demographics.  To illustrate this, of the 42+ million AAs in the US last year, a little over 5 million are estimated to have changed homes 2018-2019.  85% of all those moves were within the same state.  63% were within the same county.  Less than 6% (or less than 300,000) of all AA moves were to a different region, and that includes all regions, not just Midwest to South, but also South to Midwest, South to Northeast, Northeast to South, Northeast to Midwest, Midwest to West and so on.   Furthermore, the South actually sent the Midwest more people last year than the reverse- +264,000 vs -253,000. For AAs, specifically, the Midwest sent 80,000 to other regions, but only had a net loss of 35,000.  About half that net loss (18,000) was to the South.

 

 

 

Census bureau published new state population estimates yesterday. New York and Illinois continue their free fall. Ohio chugging along at low but steady growth. If memory serves me correctly, it appears that last years growth for Ohio was revised down. 

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/tables/2010-2019/state/totals/nst-est2019-01.xlsx?#

It looks to me like New York's population grew by 75k since 2010. Although the estimates do show year-over-year decline since 2015, I'm not sure how relevant that is.

Biggest story seems to that immigration has fallen off a cliff in a lot of places.  It's difficult to not associate that with the current political situation.  National international migration has been halved from just a few years ago.

On 12/11/2019 at 12:15 PM, jonoh81 said:

 

They weren't my comparisons.  As for comparing cities today to their 1950 boundaries, I can do that. Several years ago, I went through the Census archives to find the original 1950 census tracts the 3 Cs.  Although there have been a lot of changes to them over the years, since the Census keeps records of how individual tracts changed into others, it was just a matter of following the progression.  It's not going to be *exact*, but it's the closest we can possibly have.

Here they are.  2017 is the latest year available.  2018 comes out later this month.

Total Population By Year for the same 1950 Boundary, Area Size and Density 

Cleveland

1950: 914,798- 75.0- 12197.3

1960: 877,814- 75.0- 11704.2

1970: 750,191- 75.0- 10002.5

1980: 573,667- 75.0- 7648.9

1990: 495,530- 75.0- 6435.5

2000: 468,451- 75.0- 6246.0

2010: 380,891- 75.0- 5078.5

2017: 374,891- 75.0- 4998.5

 

Cincinnati

1950: 503,998- 75.1- 6711.0

1960: 498,607- 75.1- 6639.2

1970: 448,652- 75.1- 5974.1

1980: 381,268- 75.1- 5076.8

1990: 365,853- 75.1- 4871.5

2000: 337,234- 75.1- 4490.5

2010: 278,509- 75.1- 3708.5

2017: 280,901- 75.1- 3740.4

 

Columbus

1950: 375,710- 39.4- 9535.8

1960: 389,222- 39.4- 9878.7

1970: 348,808- 39.4- 8853.0

1980: 287,089- 39.4- 7286.5

1990: 268,265- 39.4- 6808.8

2000: 246,713- 39.4- 6261.8

2010: 234,582- 39.4- 5953.9

2017: 241,148- 39.4- 6120.5

 

 

Here are the 2018 numbers.

Cleveland: 371,565

Cincinnati: 281,682

Columbus: 245,993

Are there stats on the number of households?  I don't doubt for a moment that the number of households keeps increasing relative to the population itself which is why zero vacant properties exist in many Cincinnati neighborhoods as compared to 2010.  Getting back to 300,000 will require a ton of new construction when we had that population as recently as 2005.  

So not exactly population-specific, but it's related to construction within cities.  

 

Here were the approved construction permits by building type and total units in each of Ohio's major cities since 2010. 2019 numbers are preliminary.  The figures are for city limits only.

 

Single Family Units

Akron

2010: 65

2011: 33

2012: 0

2013: 0

2014: 0

2015: 0

2016: 0

2017: 0

2018: 0

2019: 0

Cincinnati

2010: 82

2011: 84

2012: 83

2013: 90

2014: 99

2015: 96

2016: 160

2017: 182

2018: 98

2019: 135

Cleveland

2010: 91

2011: 86

2012: 110

2013: 132

2014: 96

2015: 130

2016: 137

2017: 144

2018: 114

2019: 78

Columbus

2010: 716

2011: 667

2012: 723

2013: 770

2014: 724

2015: 729

2016: 649

2017: 650

2018: 555

2019: 500

Dayton

2010: 27

2011: 90

2012: 153

2013: 44

2014: 7

2015: 66

2016: 38

2017: 21

2018: 7

2019: 0

Toledo

2010: 39

2011: 33

2012: 32

2013: 42

2014: 26

2015: 18

2016: 15

2017: 18

2018: 20

2019: 16

 

Multi-Family Units

Akron

2010: 62

2011: 51

2012: 0

2013: 0

2014: 0

2015: 0

2016: 0

2017: 0

2018: 0

2019: 0

Cincinnati

2010: 99

2011: 170

2012: 367

2013: 74

2014: 502

2015: 120

2016: 573

2017: 534

2018: 632

2019: 992

Cleveland

2010: 36

2011: 43

2012: 67

2013: 94

2014: 28

2015: 42

2016: 37

2017: 36

2018: 34

2019: 19

Columbus

2010: 1391

2011: 1642

2012: 3286

2013: 3565

2014: 2918

2015: 3186

2016: 3071

2017: 3579

2018: 3742

2019: 2839

Dayton

2010: 0

2011: 6

2012: 0

2013: 17

2014: 0

2015: 6

2016: 0

2017: 0

2018: 167

2019: 0

Toledo

2010: 42

2011: 5

2012: 65

2013: 63

2014: 467

2015: 5

2016: 5

2017: 5

2018: 5

2019: 5

 

Total Units

Akron

2010: 127

2011: 84

2012: 0

2013: 0

2014: 0

2015: 0

2016: 0

2017: 0

2018: 0

2019: 0

Cincinnati

2010: 181

2011: 254

2012: 450

2013: 164

2014: 601

2015: 216

2016: 733

2017: 716

2018: 730

2019: 1127

Cleveland

2010: 127

2011: 129

2012: 177

2013: 226

2014: 124

2015: 172

2016: 173

2017: 180

2018: 148

2019: 97

Columbus

2010: 2107

2011: 2309

2012: 4009

2013: 4335

2014: 3642

2015: 3915

2016: 3720

2017: 4229

2018: 4297

2019: 3339

Dayton

2010: 27

2011: 96

2012: 153

2013: 61

2014: 7

2015: 66

2016: 38

2017: 21

2018: 174

2019: 0

Toledo

2010: 81

2011: 38

2012: 97

2013: 105

2014: 493

2015: 23

2016: 20

2017: 23

2018: 25

2019: 21

 

Some interesting notes would be that Cleveland's units are dominated by single-family housing instead of multi-family, the opposite of the other 2-Cs.  And single-family housing is still pretty stagnant overall in most places.

Are these numbers truly comparable? For example, in mulitfamily units:

 

Cincinnati

2017: 534

2018: 632

2019: 992

 

Cleveland

2017: 36

2018: 34

2019: 19

 

Columbus

2017: 3579

2018: 3742

2019: 2839

 

does Columbus really have 150x more activity than Cleveland? Is it possible that Columbus requires say, 100 different permits for a single project, whereas in Cleveland, its just, for example, 2 or 3? In other words, are the above numbers are an accurate presentation of how many multifamily projects are underway in each city?  Or just permits and the rules around permitting differ in each city?

 

 

I think the Cincinnati and Columbus numbers represent units. Unless there were really 50k separate multi-unit projects built in Columbus in the past 10 years which I’m imagining would house half of the citizenry. As far as units in Cleveland, there are clearly more than what’s listed just in the Beacon and UC.

I'm sure Akron isn't setting the construction world on fire, but I doubt there hasn't been a permit approved in the last 7 years either.

Something is up with these numbers. For instance I worked on The9 renovation. The permits were filed and approved in 2013. The complex has 186 units total, which is more than double the number of units shown on this list for that year.

Agreed. There's some seriously wrong with that data. Perhaps this is one of those cases where building renovations/conversions to residential don't get counted in the "new housing units" data?

8 hours ago, KJP said:

Agreed. There's some seriously wrong with that data. Perhaps this is one of those cases where building renovations/conversions to residential don't get counted in the "new housing units" data?

The data still seems wrong even if we are just looking at new residential. The way these cities permit must be different, or more likely Cleveland does not provide updated permit numbers publicly. 

Edited February 23, 20205 yr by KFM44107

3 hours ago, KFM44107 said:

The data still seems wrong even if we are just looking at new residential. The way these cities permit must be different, or more likely Cleveland does not provide updated permit numbers publicly. 

Alright. I actually think Cleveland's numbers (if I counted the projects right) is the number of multifamily buildings constructed, not the total number of units. Units are around Cinci's numbers. 

For those wondering where the numbers came from: https://socds.huduser.gov/permits/  I only ran them for city limits.  Most of the time,  you will see permit numbers from the census, and generally for MSA or county, so I thought this was a different way to look at them.  The census site is here: https://www.census.gov/construction/bps/

 

Edited February 24, 20205 yr by jonoh81

Something seems off, no?

This is showing the total number of units, not number of permits - FYI.

Here are the census numbers for MSA.

 

Single-Family Units

Akron 

2010: 657

2011: 637

2012: 611

2013: 666

2014: 685

2015: 792

2016: 905

2017: 901

2018: 1011

 

Cincinnati

2010: 2824

2011: 2521

2012: 2641

2013: 3308

2014: 3218

2015: 3477

2016: 3938

2017: 4440

2018: 4282

 

Cleveland

2010: 1853

2011: 1585

2012: 1925

2013: 2241

2014: 2282

2015: 2533

2016: 2618

2017: 2749

2018: 2733

 

Columbus

2010: 2887

2011: 2420

2012: 2913

2013: 3495

2014: 3505

2015: 3523

2016: 4157

2017: 4295

2018: 4493

 

Dayton

2010: 674

2011: 737

2012: 911

2013: 815

2014: 742

2015: 857

2016: 957

2017: 1083

2018: 1138

 

Toledo

2010: 507

2011: 442

2012: 551

2013: 732

2014: 598

2015: 649

2016: 694

2017: 704

2018: 785

 

Multi-Family Units

Akron

2010: 79

2011: 485

2012: 7

2013: 25

2014: 79

2015: 175

2016: 4

2017: 19

2018: 199

 

Cincinnati

2010: 382

2011: 848

2012: 963

2013: 1022

2014: 1988

2015: 1184

2016: 1929

2017: 2025

2018: 1794

 

Cleveland

2010: 88

2011: 182

2012: 407

2013: 500

2014: 644

2015: 405

2016: 435

2017: 478

2018: 248

 

Columbus

2010: 1557

2011: 2310

2012: 3898

2013: 4868

2014: 3547

2015: 4032

2016: 4480

2017: 4597

2018: 4947

 

Dayton

2010: 84

2011: 15

2012: 141

2013: 107

2014: 36

2015: 123

2016: 325

2017: 168

2018: 439

 

Toledo

2010: 286

2011: 161

2012: 265

2013: 142

2014: 477

2015: 66

2016: 133

2017: 267

2018: 311

 

Total Units

Akron

2010: 736

2011: 1122

2012: 618

2013: 690

2014: 764

2015: 967

2016: 909

2017: 920

2018: 1210

 

Cincinnati

2010: 3206

2011: 3369

2012: 3604

2013: 4330

2014: 5206

2015: 4661

2016: 5867

2017: 6465

2018: 6076

 

Cleveland

2010: 1941

2011: 1767

2012: 2332

2013: 2741

2014: 2926

2015: 2938

2016: 3053

2017: 3227

2018: 2981

 

Columbus

2010: 4444

2011: 4730

2012: 6811

2013: 8363

2014: 7052

2015: 7555

2016: 8637

2017: 8892

2018: 9440

 

Dayton

2010: 758

2011: 752

2012: 1136

2013: 850

2014: 778

2015: 980

2016: 1282

2017: 1251

2018: 1577

 

Toledo

2010: 775

2011: 603

2012: 816

2013: 874

2014: 1075

2015: 715

2016: 827

2017: 971

2018: 1096

 

The metro numbers aren't available for 2019 yet.  

 

34 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Something seems off, no?

 

I did units, not permits.  Permits for projects could've been issued the previous year, but constructed in another, and permits don't tell us how many units are being approved.  Also, just because something is permitted doesn't necessarily mean it gets built.  2019 is also preliminary on that site.

Edited February 24, 20205 yr by jonoh81

9 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I did units, not permits.  Permits for projects could've been issued the previous year, but constructed in another, and permits don't tell us how many units are being approved.  Also, just because something is permitted doesn't necessarily mean it gets built.  2019 is also preliminary on that site.

 

Yeah, that makes more sense now. Thanks for posting that link BTW. I love digesting data.

Edited February 24, 20205 yr by Clefan98

So how much is the coronavirus going to mess with the 2020 census?

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

So how much is the coronavirus going to mess with the 2020 census?

 

Had the same thought a week ago. 

 

Ohio cities need to make sure everyone is counted more than ever.   

1 minute ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

Had the same thought a week ago. 

 

Ohio cities need to make sure everyone is counted more than ever.   

I agree-the last thing they need is an undercount. I wonder how they are going to work it all out?

I’ve already filed my census report. I’m hoping with people being bored they have more time than ever to complete their census online. A media campaign would help, and there typically is one for each census. 

1 hour ago, TheCOV said:

I’ve already filed my census report. I’m hoping with people being bored they have more time than ever to complete their census online. A media campaign would help, and there typically is one for each census. 

I filled mine out online the same day I received the letter. Took 5 minutes.  Hopefully everyone being at home makes this go smoother.

The Coronavirus is going to lead to a serious undercount of students at colleges across the country. UC has already canceled in-person classes and they're closing dorms. This is going to lead to tens of thousands of people who would otherwise be counted as living in Cincinnati going back to their parents' places for the census.

^If a student lives off campus in an apt he/she may likely remain in the city where they go to school.  What percentage of students live on campus vs in their own apartments at:

 

OSU

UC

Kent State

Cleveland State

CWRU

Univ of Akron

Oberlin

Univ of Toledo

Miami Univ

Bowling Green

Wright State

Univ of Dayton

Youngstown State?

According to a random article I found, 24% of UC students live on campus. With 38,000 students, that's 9,120 people who wouldn't be counted, assuming they've all moved off campus. Add in the off-campus housing for students who have moved back to their parents' places, and you'll be looking at well over 10k people undercounted in Cincinnati from UC alone.

Maybe if they thought they were seriously undercounted the City of Cincinnati would ask for a special census.

I can see Columbus losing 20,000 because of OSU clearing out housing.