Columbus is 905,748. You can find it elsewhere in the data.

2 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Columbus is 905,748. You can find it elsewhere in the data.

Well where..is this data released today?

Correction- Columbus is actually 905,748. The 880k number was only the portion within Franklin County.

 

2 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Well where..is this data released today?

It's in the data @thomasbwlinked to. I think he's right that he only listed the part in Franklin County.

Here's the corrected chart- 

never mind..already answered.

 

* I am just glad we skipped the entire 800,000 bracket going from 787,000 to 905,000. Quite a feat.  120,000 people added in ten years with hardly any annexation is a big thing. This must be a record# added in ten years for Cbus.

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by Toddguy

Just now, Toddguy said:

Does this mean the other data for cities like Cleveland are off as well?(among those listed along with Cbus at 880,000)? On that list only Cincy did well.

Unfortunately not. I think @thomasbw's new post above is correct.

Can someone do the same data comparison but with the major Ohio counties and metro areas? I don’t have time at the moment to dig through the data myself. 

3 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

Can someone do the same data comparison but with the major Ohio counties and metro areas? I don’t have time at the moment to dig through the data myself. 

 

Somebody might beat me to it, but I plan to do it sometime over the next week when I get a chance.

So we know that the "extra" 200,000 or so people are not in the top ten cities in Ohio(Cbus added about what was predicted). 

 

Where are they? That is the question.

 

I also think I saw that the Cleveland metro did not lose population, but gained. Is this correct?

Can anybody tell me the official population total for Newark?  Thanks!!

1 minute ago, OhioFinest said:

Can anybody tell me the official population total for Newark?  Thanks!!

49,934

2 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

So we know that the "extra" 200,000 or so people are not in the top ten cities in Ohio(Cbus added about what was predicted). 

 

Where are they? That is the question.

 

I also think I saw that the Cleveland metro did not lose population, but gained. Is this correct?

 

I said before that one possibility was that the estimates were just showing larger losses than what were occurring and that most of the higher Ohio total would've gone to cover that.  Seems that might be the case.  The 3-Cs did pretty well, I'd say.  Cleveland lost, but it's loss was significantly lower than previous decades, Cincinnati grew nicely and Columbus had its best decade ever.  There is not that much to be disappointed about.

4 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

So we know that the "extra" 200,000 or so people are not in the top ten cities in Ohio(Cbus added about what was predicted). 

 

Where are they? That is the question.

 

I also think I saw that the Cleveland metro did not lose population, but gained. Is this correct?

 

Based on the county level map they showed in the presentation I would say the "extra" people will end up being in the suburbs.

Just now, thomasbw said:

49,934

Wow....so they have been overestimating Newark?  It has been over 50k for the last two estimates.  Wow....

25 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

We will see. If we are above 900,000 then thomasbw needs his ass beaten. 

So what happened was I didn't notice the 'F' and since it was close enough to what a reasonable guess as to what the population was going to be, I assumed it was correct.  

1 minute ago, thomasbw said:

So what happened was I didn't notice the 'F' and since it was close enough to what a reasonable guess as to what the population was going to be, I assumed it was correct.  

It's not a big deal. I was joking of course. As I said, it ain't that serious. 

Cleveland metro grew- which is a win even if it was by a small amount.  

5 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Based on the county level map they showed in the presentation I would say the "extra" people will end up being in the suburbs.

 

Yes.  Rural counties basically all declined, and not just in Ohio. 

8 minutes ago, thomasbw said:

49,934

I just looked, this was the estimate from April of 2020....are you sure this is the correct number?

 

 

lol think some people are interested in this topic?

1 minute ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

lol think some people are interested in this topic?

 

You have no idea.  I have been working on a whole new map for Franklin County census tracts in preparation for today.  City data is great and all, but neighborhood level is what I find most interesting.

2 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

I just looked, this was the estimate from April of 2020....are you sure this is the correct number?

 

I am not certain, here's what i'm going off- 

The Ohio River Valley, from Mahoning County all the way to Brown County (a county outside of Cincinnati), was an absolute bloodbath in terms of population loss. The entire southeastern 1/3 of the state is in rough shape.

They could have made those .pl files a *little* easier to read. Or given a header row. Or anything.

6 minutes ago, thomasbw said:

Here's the corrected chart- 

 

Here's the current population density based on the 2020 pops listed above and the land area of each city according to Wikipedia. The land area may have slightly changed for each city (I know Columbus annexed a couple square miles), but not enough to really change the density much at all.

 

Columbus - 3,590.15/sq mi -> 4,131.69/sq mi; +541.54/sq mi

Cleveland - 5,105.04/sq mi -> 4,793.82/sq mi; -311.22/sq mi

Cincinnati - 3,814.79/sq mi -> 3,973.75/sq mi; +158.96/sq mi

Toledo - 3,568.24/sq mi -> 3,365.28/sq mi; -202.96/sq mi

Akron - 3,215.08/sq mi -> 3,075.49/sq mi; -139.59/sq mi

Dayton - 2,554.64/sq mi -> 2,484.55/sq mi; -70.09/sq mi

Canton - 2,791.85/sq mi -> 2,710.02/sq mi

Youngstown - 1,974.12/sq mi -> 1,770.35/sq mi

 

Yep.  It's time for me to move to Europe.... 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Imwalle said:

They could have made those .pl files a *little* easier to read. Or given a header row. Or anything.

These files are meant to be imported into statistical software for redistricting, not for the average geography nerd to peruse via excel. The Census was coming up on some hard deadlines for redistricting and made it their focus for reporting purposes.

 

I'm expecting much more user friendly graphics and tables to be released here in the near future.

That number cant be right for Newark....They had the same number 16 months ago???

 

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/2020-population-and-housing-state-data.html

 

Cincinnati retains top metro area by population of the 3Cs (but they lose it if you exclude KY and IN, I believe): 2,256,884 (30th in the country)

Columbus is 32nd with 2,138,926

Cleveland is 34th with 2,088,251

Edited August 12, 20213 yr by DarkandStormy

22 minutes ago, Imwalle said:

They could have made those .pl files a *little* easier to read. Or given a header row. Or anything.

 

The easier to use files will be released on data.census.gov in September.

2 minutes ago, richNcincy said:

Where did you find this?

How does one look-up a city population? I'm interested in some of the smaller and non-Newark cities in Ohio. 

Census.gov via mobile select Access Local Data

 

 

 

 

I wonder if there are any stats that break down where the gains are coming from, 

namely, how much of the Columbus area gain is attributed to NE Ohio’s loss?

 

how much of Cincinnati area gain is attributed to Dayton loss?

 

I know Columbus had a lot of its gain from people coming from other parts of Ohio (excluding the cincy region) but it would be interesting to see those numbers how they specifically relate to Cleve/Akron/ canton/ Youngstown. 

anecdotally
it seems like a lot of NE Ohio folks have relocated to Columbus over the years spurring Columbus growth and it seems like a lot of Dayton people have pushed south toward Cincinnati

14 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I wonder if there are any stats that break down where the gains are coming from, 

namely, how much of the Columbus area gain is attributed to NE Ohio’s loss?

 

how much of Cincinnati area gain is attributed to Dayton loss?

 

I know Columbus had a lot of its gain from people coming from other parts of Ohio (excluding the cincy region) but it would be interesting to see those numbers how they specifically relate to Cleve/Akron/ canton/ Youngstown. 

anecdotally
it seems like a lot of NE Ohio folks have relocated to Columbus over the years spurring Columbus growth and it seems like a lot of Dayton people have pushed south toward Cincinnati

 

Columbus gained far more than all the other big city losses combined.  Recent history says that 25% of the growth is natural, 25% is international and 50% domestic.  Pretty much all of that used to come from Ohio, but not so much anymore.  Increasingly, it's also from out of state.

16 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I wonder if there are any stats that break down where the gains are coming from, 

namely, how much of the Columbus area gain is attributed to NE Ohio’s loss?

 

how much of Cincinnati area gain is attributed to Dayton loss?

 

I know Columbus had a lot of its gain from people coming from other parts of Ohio (excluding the cincy region) but it would be interesting to see those numbers how they specifically relate to Cleve/Akron/ canton/ Youngstown. 

anecdotally
it seems like a lot of NE Ohio folks have relocated to Columbus over the years spurring Columbus growth and it seems like a lot of Dayton people have pushed south toward Cincinnati

To be clear, NEO actually gained population. Cuyahoga County lost, but the Cleveland metro posted a narrow gain. 

 

The Census publishes county level migration flows which show that the Columbus metro is the number one destination for folks fleeing the Cleveland metro. This is just based on estimated data, not actual census data, but just using some common sense it must be true.

Lots of twitter takes coming out but here's good information from NPR concerning race. Census also admits in their summary of the data that it is an issue in the 2020 count.

 

 

5 minutes ago, GISguy said:

Lots of twitter takes coming out but here's good information from NPR concerning race. Census also admits in their summary of the data that it is an issue in the 2020 count.

 

 

Detroit is apparently planning to sue claiming an undercount. I'm curious if any other cities would join.

6 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Detroit is apparently planning to sue claiming an undercount. I'm curious if any other cities would join.

 

I know this is the Ohio forum, but I posted in Cleveland's City Council forum - if this population holds council will be reduced from 17 to 15 wards. To bring it back around, lots of ramifications statewide.

1 hour ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Detroit is apparently planning to sue claiming an undercount. I'm curious if any other cities would join.

Cleveland should. You just know the black population was undercounted with the pandemic and all...

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

 

I know this is the Ohio forum, but I posted in Cleveland's City Council forum - if this population holds council will be reduced from 17 to 15 wards. To bring it back around, lots of ramifications statewide.

What is the threshold population for losing wards?

Hamilton, Ohio is now larger than Youngstown, Ohio

here are the Lake Co. numbers from the News Herald Oops! from cleveland.com. I know the changes are negligible considering these are small communities, but I thought I would never live to see the day that Painesville surpassed 20K (to be honest, I bet it's more than that. I once read that roughly half the immigrants there, a considerable part of the population, are undocumented)  But after telling people for years, when asked how big it is, I would always respond by saying "oooh, about 20K."  Fairport? down by 1 person?? really? lol

 

Concord Township – 19,254, up from 18,201

Eastlake – 17,670, down from 18,577

Fairport Harbor – 3,108, down from 3,109

Grand River – 394, down from 399

Kirtland – 6,937, up from 6,866

Kirtland Hills – 692, up from 646

Lakeline – 216, down from 226

Leroy Township – 3,128, down from 3,253

Madison Township – 18,492, down from 18,889

Madison Village – 3,435, up from 3,184

Mentor – 47,450, up from 47,159

Mentor-on-the-Lake – 7,131, down from 7,443

North Perry - 915, up from 887

Painesville – 20,312, up from 19,563

Painesville township – 20,453, up from 20,399

Perry Township – 8,862, down from 8,999

Perry village – 1,602, down from 1,663

Timberlake – 629, down from 675

Waite Hill – 543, up from 471

Wickliffe – 12,652, down from 12,750

Willoughby – 23,959, up from 22,268

Willoughby Hills – 10,019, up from 9,485

Willowick – 14,204, up from 14,171

Edited August 13, 20213 yr by eastvillagedon

Not Ohio, but let's all cheer a Rust Belt city for reversing course for the first time in 70 years....

 

 

5 minutes ago, KJP said:

Not Ohio, but let's all cheer a Rust Belt city for reversing course for the first time in 70 years....

 

 

Didn’t Cincinnati also gain for the first time in 70 years? It’s good to see some growth in the rust belt! 

6 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

Didn’t Cincinnati also gain for the first time in 70 years? It’s good to see some growth in the rust belt! 

I saw a graphic showing all the great lakes metro areas growing, save for a few of the smaller ones,, which hopefully is representative a a new trend.

10 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

I saw a graphic showing all the great lakes metro areas growing, save for a few of the smaller ones,, which hopefully is representative a a new trend.

 

Relieved to see both Cleveland MSA and CSA as growing / positive. 

5 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

Relieved to see both Cleveland MSA and CSA as growing / positive. 

Definitely, now just hope it stays growing and picks up speed.

Don’t know if it was already posted but the estimates for 2019 Cleveland MSA were nearly 40k off from the actual 2020 census results. That fairly stunning and accounts for much of the difference between Ohio’s estimates in 2019 and the actual population we saw published a few months ago, which was almost 100k higher.