March 10, 201015 yr Anyway on a different note.. Hispanic groups call for Census boycott By Haya El Nasser, USA TODAY Some Hispanic advocacy groups are calling for illegal immigrants to boycott the 2010 Census unless immigration laws are changed. The move puts them at odds with leading immigrant rights advocates and creates another hurdle in the Census Bureau's quest to count everyone in the USA. The National Coalition of Latino Clergy & Christian Leaders, a group that says it represents 20,000 evangelical churches in 34 states, issued a statement this week urging undocumented immigrants not to fill out Census forms unless Congress passes "genuine immigration reform." For more, click the link www.usatoday.com/news/ http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2009-04-15-census_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip Probably helps Ohio with Congressional Seats.
March 13, 201015 yr As the 2010 census begins, the Cleveland region needs every body it can count By Robert L. Smith, The Plain Dealer March 12, 2010, 3:58AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Census season begins Monday -- and with much of the pageantry and drama of an election season. Soon after the 10-point questionnaires appear in mailboxes, Be Counted assistance centers will open, polling will commence and musicians will strike up the band at census rallies. The marketing of census 2010, a nationwide effort to promote an accurate count, takes on an edge of urgency in Northeast Ohio, where flat and falling population is a matter of grim speculation. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/03/as_the_2010_census_begins_the.html
March 31, 201015 yr Census: Cincinnati low response rate The U.S. Census says forms are being mailed back from Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus at rates that are among the lowest in the country. Census officials said Wednesday that only 32 percent of Cleveland households have filled out and sent back the forms. Columbus and Cincinnati each have participation rates of 39 percent. cont. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
April 13, 201015 yr Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson encouraging residents to complete census forms By Mark Gillispie, The Plain Dealer April 13, 2010, 1:37PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Mayor Frank Jackson will attend what the city is calling a "Census Blitz" from 6 to 8 p.m. today at Euclid Beach Gardens Community Room, 16001 Euclid Beach Blvd. The event, which will include a resource fair, is aimed at encouraging Cleveland residents to fill out their census forms so they are included in the nation's official count. City officials say it's vital for residents to participate in the census because the count affects how much federal money Cleveland receives for services such as senior programs, education, health care and road repairs. As of April 1, only 35 percent of Clevelanders had returned their census forms, compared with the national average of 52 percent. People have until Friday to mail back census forms. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04/cleveland_mayor_frank_jackson_11.html
April 14, 201015 yr Green Township moves back to No. 1 in census participation The Enquirer • April 12, 2010 http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100412/NEWS01/4130353/Green-Township-moves-back-to-No.-1-in-census-participation
April 15, 201015 yr Census-takers may have lots of counting to do in Cleveland By Robert L. Smith, The Plain Dealer April 15, 2010, 4:00AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- As the end of the mail-in portion of Census 2010 approaches -- a deadline that will trigger the arrival of census-takers -- the U.S. Census Bureau is waiting to hear back from nearly half the households of Cleveland. As of Wednesday, only about 55 percent of Cleveland addresses had filled out the 10-question form and mailed it back, compared to the national return rate of 67 percent. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04/census-takers_may_have_lots_of.html
April 15, 201015 yr From UrbanCincy.com: Cincinnati showing improvement over 2000 Census response rates http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/04/cincinnati-showing-improvements-over.html
April 15, 201015 yr So how do they count foreclosed properties? Someone may have lived in there but no longer do.
April 15, 201015 yr It's an April 1 snapshot, I believe. So if the property is vacant as of April 1, no residents should be counted at the address.
May 13, 201015 yr http://www.careerrookie.com/Article/CB-191-Job-Hunting-Top-10-Cities-for-New-Grads/ College senior Kaitlin Ripple had always known the business world was competitive. Yet when she started Baldwin-Wallace College, located in a suburb outside of Cleveland, Ohio, she had no way of knowing how cutthroat it would be when she entered the "real world." Now with graduation days away, Ripple is contemplating her next move. While she'd love to stay near Cleveland, Ripple, who majored in marketing and minored in international business, is realistic and has expanded her search far beyond the city's borders and started researching other cities' costs of living and job prospects. 1. Atlanta Average rent:* $723 Popular entry-level categories:** sales, marketing, customer service 2. Phoenix Average rent: $669 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, training 3. Denver Average rent: $779 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, health care 4. Dallas Average rent: $740 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, health care 5. Boston Average rent: $1275 Popular entry-level categories: sales, marketing, training 6. Philadelphia Average rent: $938 Popular entry-level categories: sales, marketing, health care 7. New York Average rent: $1,366 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, marketing 8. Cincinnati Average rent: $613 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, management 9. Baltimore Average rent: $1,041 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, management 10. Los Angeles Average rent: $1319 Popular entry-level categories: sales, training, health care
May 13, 201015 yr Author There was some interesting discussion had on Midwestern brain drain issues here: http://explorecincinnati.com/2010/05/07/now-available-explore-cincinnati-for-may-6-2010/
June 10, 201015 yr Bump on this thread to pick up on the discussion regarding the NEO Brain drain in the "I love Cleveland thread" My whole point that started the tangent is that Cleveland loses a lot of smart kids because there is not a large university in the city.
June 10, 201015 yr Lack of a happening university district hurts much more, IMO. That's why I was so hot on building a CSU-Case residential area along Euclid. More generally, brain drain could be fought simply by providing a more functional urban setting for said brains to operate in. For that we need cops, we need transit, we need retail and large-scale residential. Basic building blocks. Instead we keep focusing on parks and recreation, which is a fine thing to pursue after we have the basic building blocks in place.
June 10, 201015 yr Lack of a happening university district hurts much more, IMO. That's why I was so hot on building a CSU-Case residential area along Euclid. More generally, brain drain could be fought simply by providing a more functional urban setting for said brains to operate in. For that we need cops, we need transit, we need retail and large-scale residential. Basic building blocks. Instead we keep focusing on parks and recreation, which is a fine thing to pursue after we have the basic building blocks in place. I like the way you think. A district with university on both ends and the Clinic in the middle should be able to support it self nicely. I was kind of approaching this train of thought post-mortem, why has the brain drain been so bad in Cleveland? The obvious thought in my mind was how many people ended up in Columbus because they went to OSU? The demographic I am talking about here aren't your "Case students/rocket scientists" but your average fairly smart college graduates that are neeeded to be the base of todays workforce. They stayed in Columbus because the university attracted companies that allowed them to find jobs in Columbus. Said students, are either leaving CLE to go to school and not coming back or never came to CLE to go to school.
June 10, 201015 yr What annoys me is how much emphasis is put on keeping recent grads here. What about not-so-recent grads? Just people in general?
June 10, 201015 yr If we keep losing grads, then we'll have no people eventually so I don't have a problem with focusing on them. I have no answers for the brain drain problem other than hoping that jobs come to Cleveland. Jobs are really the ONLY thing that matter since everything else - lower crime, better schools, higher standards of living, better communities, improved morale - come from it. People leave because there are so few opportunities (outside of some specialized bio-whatever or nursing fields here), and the ONLY remedy is, however it happens, for more jobs to open up. And I'm talking about real jobs, not some low wage service-based crap but rather employment that can pay $45k+/year.
June 10, 201015 yr Bump on this thread to pick up on the discussion regarding the NEO Brain drain in the "I love Cleveland thread" My whole point that started the tangent is that Cleveland loses a lot of smart kids because there is not a large university in the city. I do have a decent amount of faith in President Berkman and CSU. Florida International expanded while he was there, and I see similar things for CSU. Not to mention, both went from a mostly commuter school to becoming a more "conventional" campus. My favorite quote from President Berkman is from his Inauguration Day. "Our campus has the potential to become an exciting, diverse, cosmopolitan neighborhood, and I intend to do everything I can to make that a reality," Berkman told faculty and friends of CSU at the Allen Theatre on Friday. "I envision a day soon when faculty and staff will come to live in this neighborhood, send their children to school here and together build a new, vibrant neighborhood in the city of Cleveland." SOURCE: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/cleveland_state_university_pre_2.html
June 10, 201015 yr My favorite quote from President Berkman is from his Inauguration Day. "Our campus has the potential to become an exciting, diverse, cosmopolitan neighborhood, and I intend to do everything I can to make that a reality," Berkman told faculty and friends of CSU at the Allen Theatre on Friday. "I envision a day soon when faculty and staff will come to live in this neighborhood, send their children to school here and together build a new, vibrant neighborhood in the city of Cleveland." SOURCE: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/cleveland_state_university_pre_2.html Amen to that.
June 10, 201015 yr What annoys me is how much emphasis is put on keeping recent grads here. What about not-so-recent grads? Just people in general? Attracting all people to the city is very important, but more emphasis should be placed on attracting young, well educated indivduals to the City of Cleveland. The key is to get them here early so that they can plant roots and not want to leave. It's much easier to convince a 20-something straight out of college to move to Cleveland than it is to convince a 30 or 40 something mother/father of 3. The point is to get them here early by offering good colleges and good entry-level jobs. Once they're hear they'll plant some roots, start a family and then you've got them! Attracting young people is the key to the growth or even sustainability of any city IMO.
June 13, 201015 yr What annoys me is how much emphasis is put on keeping recent grads here. What about not-so-recent grads? Just people in general? Attracting all people to the city is very important, but more emphasis should be placed on attracting young, well educated indivduals to the City of Cleveland. The key is to get them here early so that they can plant roots and not want to leave. It's much easier to convince a 20-something straight out of college to move to Cleveland than it is to convince a 30 or 40 something mother/father of 3. The point is to get them here early by offering good colleges and good entry-level jobs. Once they're hear they'll plant some roots, start a family and then you've got them! Attracting young people is the key to the growth or even sustainability of any city IMO. Exactly.
June 13, 201015 yr My favorite quote from President Berkman is from his Inauguration Day. "Our campus has the potential to become an exciting, diverse, cosmopolitan neighborhood, and I intend to do everything I can to make that a reality," Berkman told faculty and friends of CSU at the Allen Theatre on Friday. "I envision a day soon when faculty and staff will come to live in this neighborhood, send their children to school here and together build a new, vibrant neighborhood in the city of Cleveland." SOURCE: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/cleveland_state_university_pre_2.html Amen to that. yeah holy mackeral -- they got the right person for the job didnt they? now make it so!
June 22, 201014 yr The 2009 census estimates came out today. **NOTE: THIS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL 2010 CENSUS** According to this, all major cities in Ohio lost population except for Columbus, which gained about 10000. http://buffalo.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/the_score/2010/06/populations_of_19510_us_cities.html?appSession=22567274497902
June 22, 201014 yr Wow... Columbus slowed down I guess. I had once thought they'd be pushing a million, or at least eclipse Detroit in 2010.
June 22, 201014 yr Wow... Columbus slowed down I guess. I had once thought they'd be pushing a million, or at least eclipse Detroit in 2010. Well at least the losses in CLE slowed. I think we could be again gain in the near future.
June 23, 201014 yr No wonder Dallas is fast growing. Dallas Mayor Tom Leppert told CNNMoney that a growth has been spurred in part by a favorable business climate: no corporate income tax, reasonable building costs and minimal regulations. The report also mentioned Dallas/Fort Worth International, the third busiest airport in the nation: "Dallas has no port," said Leppert. "The airport became a 21st century port." http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2010/06/21/daily13.html
June 23, 201014 yr Suburb Population Growth Slows http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/06/22/suburb-population-growth-slows/ Has an excellent sortable table - Cincinnati is clearly one of the most decentralized regions in the country.
June 23, 201014 yr ^Honestly i see glaring mistakes for city populations on that site. When did phoenix get 2.3 million the city???
August 8, 201014 yr I wish I could agree but there has been some serious depopulation in once vibrant neighborhoods especially along the Reading Rd. corridor and to some extent in a number of west side neighborhoods - at the moment these trends overshadow anything in the basin.
August 8, 201014 yr ^Honestly i see glaring mistakes for city populations on that site. When did phoenix get 2.3 million the city??? Honestly, given immigration levels, it's probably a lot higher than that. I was most shocked by Seattle and Denver. I had no idea they were almost at a million people in the city. DC has grown a lot more than I expected too. I don't think those numbers they are using are very good. I believe, though they don't really say, that they have added all the core cities in the metro together, though that doesn't appear to be the case with all of them (Cleveland, for example). Since many of those core cities are really overgrown suburbs (like Bellevue for Seattle or Aurora for Denver) they are skewing the numbers and thus not able to validly show the thing they claim to be showing, that suburban growth has started to slow down compared to "core city" growth, unless one considers Aurora, Sandy Springs, or Sunnyvale to be "core city".
September 11, 201014 yr Looking at the population estimates for areas around northeast Ohio, Cleveland doesn't look so bad. A sampling of population LOSS as a % from 2000 to 2009 Census estimates: 11.3% Lakewood 11.1% University Heights 11.1% Fairview Park 10.9% Shaker Heights 10.8% Euclid 10.2% Lyndhurst 10.0% Chagrin Falls 10.0% Bay Village 9.8% Cleveland A larger % of the residents are leaving the more "desirable" suburbs of Cleveland than leaving from the central core itself. Why isn't this ever mentioned in the news? In fact there are 19 municipalities in Cuyahoga County that have lost a greater % of their population than the City of Cleveland.
September 12, 201014 yr Looking at the population estimates for areas around northeast Ohio, Cleveland doesn't look so bad. A sampling of population LOSS as a % from 2000 to 2009 Census estimates: 11.3% Lakewood 11.1% University Heights 11.1% Fairview Park 10.9% Shaker Heights 10.8% Euclid 10.2% Lyndhurst 10.0% Chagrin Falls 10.0% Bay Village 9.8% Cleveland A larger % of the residents are leaving the more "desirable" suburbs of Cleveland than leaving from the central core itself. Why isn't this ever mentioned in the news? In fact there are 19 municipalities in Cuyahoga County that have lost a greater % of their population than the City of Cleveland. Whether its Cleveland, Bay Village, Shaker Heights or Euclid, these population loss numbers aren't good. I agree more needs to be heard publicly about this to show people that the decline in Cleveland won't stay in Cleveland when you have a stagnant (or shrinking) region.
September 12, 201014 yr Whether its Cleveland, Bay Village, Shaker Heights or Euclid, these population loss numbers aren't good. I agree more needs to be heard publicly about this to show people that the decline in Cleveland won't stay in Cleveland when you have a stagnant (or shrinking) region. I would say that there is definitely a misconception about population loss being Cleveland's problem. Areas that people often perceive to be growing, i.e. Westlake or Strongsville, have collectively lost about 4% of their population in the last decade as well. I'm tired of hearing the same old, "people are fleeing the city for the suburbs" when the suburbs are losing people just as fast as the city. Sure, places in eastern Lorain County are growing and other far off fringe locations, but adding a couple thousand residents in these areas does not offset the hemorrhaging of people elsewhere. Speaking of perceptions, looking at the CSA population estimates. I think it would come to quite a shock to northeast Ohioans that the Pittsburgh CSA has lost 3.2% of its population compared to Cleveland's 1.8%. Pittsburgh has marketed itself and positioned itself well to become a poster child for a city on the turn, yet they're still losing people much faster than we are. Growth is in the eye of the beholder, err marketing advertiser. And to take perception one step farther. Population loss as a percent by MSA: 1.1% Detroit 2.7% Cleveland 3.1% Pittsburgh
October 2, 201014 yr I'm considering joining them... OHIO NEWSPAPER POLL Younger Ohioans ready to move Monday, September 27, 2010 02:52 AM By William Hershey and Howard Wilkinson DAYTON DAILY NEWS THE CINCINNATI ENQUIRER A large majority of Ohioans consider Ohio either an "excellent" or "good" place to live, and 57 percent say there is no real difference in the quality of life here than elsewhere. Yet almost a third of those responding to a new Dispatch/Ohio Newspaper poll said that if they could, they would move to another state. That includes 45 percent of those age 45 or younger, who say they're ready to pack bags. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/09/27/younger-ohioans-ready-to-move.html
October 2, 201014 yr What annoys me is how much emphasis is put on keeping recent grads here. What about not-so-recent grads? Just people in general? Screw 'em. They're stuck here! :evil: Tangent: yeah, I think the same thing. It's cruel, but our society courts the young ceaselessly. I was near useless when I was a 22 year old engineer out of UD but I had companies recruiting me HARD. Today as a 50 something, I can do everything but I'm at the back of the line, and oh, no, we don't wink wink practice age discrimination. The over focus on young professionals in urban marketing is a reflection of cruel facts: the young have more choices than the less young do. The problem is there's few good jobs, and focusing on one age segment is a tiny sliver of a complete solution.
October 3, 201014 yr Screw 'em. They're stuck here! :evil: Tangent: yeah, I think the same thing. It's cruel, but our society courts the young ceaselessly. I was near useless when I was a 22 year old engineer out of UD but I had companies recruiting me HARD. Today as a 50 something, I can do everything but I'm at the back of the line, and oh, no, we don't wink wink practice age discrimination. It is kind of funny though cause the companies I talk to now rather hire someone with more experience since they can get them on the cheap and I'm a recent computer engineer grad from UD. If only our times were reversed we would both be happy. Also if you know of any companies really hiring recent graduates please let me know because I have yet to find any decent ones. I'm basically competing against people with 10+ years of experience for entry level positions and its frustrating.
October 3, 201014 yr It is kind of funny though cause the companies I talk to now rather hire someone with more experience since they can get them on the cheap and I'm a recent computer engineer grad from UD. If only our times were reversed we would both be happy. Also if you know of any companies really hiring recent graduates please let me know because I have yet to find any decent ones. I'm basically competing against people with 10+ years of experience for entry level positions and its frustrating. My sympathies. I was painting with a broad brush about the local boosterism like the young professional initiatives. The truth is that most Cincinnati and Dayton IT employers are actually cheaper than crap and most of them value subservience over performance. There is a bell curve of demand relative to your age. Around here, you're not desirable if you're fresh out. You're also not wanted if you have more than 20 years of experience, or mid aged 40s for most people - not servile enough, too high maintenance. The sweet spot around here seems to be 5 to 10 years of experience - someone else funded your learning, so the hiring party can just use you without investing in you. All I can say is, join mailing lists like "The Circuit" in Cincinnati and attend as many meet and greets as you can. Good luck.
October 4, 201014 yr The point is to get them here early by offering good colleges and good entry-level jobs. All the entry-level jobs in the world won't do any good if there's no opportunity for advancement. No matter how deep the roots they put down might be, if they get to 30 years old and can't get a better job, or get laid off, then they'll have no choice but to go elsewhere. Roots don't matter if you don't have the rain and the fertilizer to nourish them. In fact, that's actually a pretty good analogy. No matter how much fertilizer you have (cultural institutions, vibrant neighborhoods, a high quality of life in general) it can't make up for a lack of water (jobs).
November 14, 201014 yr I'm considering joining them... OHIO NEWSPAPER POLL Younger Ohioans ready to move Monday, September 27, 2010 02:52 AM By William Hershey and Howard Wilkinson DAYTON DAILY NEWS THE CINCINNATI ENQUIRER A large majority of Ohioans consider Ohio either an "excellent" or "good" place to live, and 57 percent say there is no real difference in the quality of life here than elsewhere. Yet almost a third of those responding to a new Dispatch/Ohio Newspaper poll said that if they could, they would move to another state. That includes 45 percent of those age 45 or younger, who say they're ready to pack bags. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/09/27/younger-ohioans-ready-to-move.html Why?
November 15, 201014 yr ^ It seems to me that could be true from anywhere right now. Looking through facebook, virtually all my high school and college friends have moved out of state (from Oregon where I grew up) seeking better jobs. I think comparing this current "recession/depression" to "the great depression", there is a desire for jobs similar to the dust bowl migration in the 1930's. The problem is that this time there is no one destination for jobs this time around.
November 15, 201014 yr Young people move. It is a fact of life. I never suggest living in the same place your entire life. Nothing will make you hate home more than never leaving. Spread your wings. I tried it for 7+ years and ended up right back where I started. But at least it was an informed choice. Just like the originalbjw, I have friends in places that people consider more attractive (NC, DC, Cali, Texas) and they are looking to move. I just met a girl this past weekend who volitionally, for no other reason than to try something new, moved from Dallas/FW to the Youngstown area. Nobody I know who currently lives in LA is actually from LA and nobody I know who is actually 'from' LA still lives in LA (I know that is kind of cliche, but true nonetheless). All that said, Ohio does indeed have more difficulty than some other States in attracting young imports as compared to the flow of young exports. I would pin that on the economy more than anything. My point is that there is not and never will be a magic bullet that allow us to retain all of our young people. No State can. What we need to do is balance the flow or, better yet, tip it in our favor.
November 15, 201014 yr ^She gave you no other reason as to why she would move to y-town. Just for the heck of it? That is a little wierd. Not saying Y-Town is awful, but ussually if people want to try a new place, you think Fla, or Cali, or NYC...not Youngstown.
November 15, 201014 yr ^I'm sure there was another reason, but she simply said she wanted to try something different and I know she got a job there and gave up the exact same position with the same company in Dallas/FW. Go figure... Maybe she just wanted to get on the fastest train out of Texas and her company said "well... there's an opening in Youngstown"
November 16, 201014 yr Florida has hurricanes, alligators, and cubans :) California is the next rust belt (with earthquakes this time) New York City is horribly overpriced. Not saying that's the logic that the girl who hts121 met was using, but that's what comes to my mind. "Kids" coming out of college are mentally still children. Ask any 8 year old where they want to live and they likely say Disneyland. Ask any 22 year old and they will say NYC or LA not because they have been there before, but because they see shows like Sex in the City and Two and a Half Men which make certain cities look fantastic; like a never ending party with no worries and nothing bad ever happening. One of my coworkers left to go live in NYC for essentially the same exact job she had here in Cleveland. She has gone from living alone in a nice large apartment and being able to go out on weekends whenever she wants to living in a small cramped apartment with a couple of roommates and being a slave to work.
November 16, 201014 yr Florida has hurricanes, alligators, and cubans :) California is the next rust belt (with earthquakes this time) New York City is horribly overpriced. Not saying that's the logic that the girl who hts121 met was using, but that's what comes to my mind. "Kids" coming out of college are mentally still children. Ask any 8 year old where they want to live and they likely say Disneyland. Ask any 22 year old and they will say NYC or LA not because they have been there before, but because they see shows like Sex in the City and Two and a Half Men which make certain cities look fantastic; like a never ending party with no worries and nothing bad ever happening. One of my coworkers left to go live in NYC for essentially the same exact job she had here in Cleveland. She has gone from living alone in a nice large apartment and being able to go out on weekends whenever she wants to living in a small cramped apartment with a couple of roommates and being a slave to work. SATC did not make NYC fantastic. NYC was the fifth "cast mate" all along. If it wasn't for SATC was in another city, the same would have happened. Thats the price you pay to move to NYC, unless you have a plan!
December 20, 201014 yr The 2010 census state populations will be released Tuesday, Dec 21: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/
December 21, 201014 yr Hmm, if they know the state population they must already know the metro populations.
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