http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2664956

 

Look at the second to last comparison...

I don't have a problem with this!  Face it, the truth hurts! :evil:

It's not an insult. But it is a true reflection of the town.

^Agreed.

That dude is obviously a Michigan fan... prick

^Well, he's pro-Kentucky, which is anti-Ohio, so...

Yes. Unless you like being associated with Kentucky. Then it's no. :)

I find it to be blatenly disrespectful to a large metropolitan area!!!!  How in the hell can you consider Cincinnati to be a separate entity from Ohio!?!?!!?!?  Cincinnati was what gave Ohio its start...it allowed the state to become....A FU#$%$ STATE!!!!!!

 

Show some damn respect...I always hate the way ESPN portrays Cincinnati, and the negative connotations they attach to everything Cincinnati.  All Ohioans should be offended by this!!!!  Should you wish to consider Cincinnati a separate entity then so be it...we can take a metro pop. of over 2 million, our many Fortune 500 companies, one of the few cities with economies in Ohio that is successful, our major university, our major art/museum scene, and our historic roots of freedom/hope/significance with us.

 

This way all of these northern Ohio comments that Cincy is detached and off base with the state can stop....then you can feel the wrath of Ohio without the success of the Cincinnati region!!!

 

ESPN......KISS MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow, that's been building up for a while, huh?

Easy, Rando, easy. I don't think Pat Forde was trying to call us KY necessarily, and I know I wasn't.

 

It's more that Ohio doesn't matter as much to Cincinnati. It's why the coverage of the statehouse is so terrible here. It's why you can be a Michigan football fan. Things are a bit different down here. Maybe it's because Cincinnati was a capital before Ohio was a state.

 

For me, for "seperate entity-ness", there is Ohio, and then there is the lost state of New Connecticut.

 

;-)

 

 

Easy, Rando, easy. I don't think Pat Forde was trying to call us KY necessarily, and I know I wasn't.

 

It's more that Ohio doesn't matter as much to Cincinnati. It's why the coverage of the statehouse is so terrible here. It's why you can be a Michigan football fan. Things are a bit different down here. Maybe it's because Cincinnati was a capital before Ohio was a state.

 

 

Well, it wasn't a capital, but I get your point.  Cincinnati has long been provincial (CincyUSA anyone?) and that's fine.  Though don't expect the rest of the state to not notice (though the northern Ohioans do seem to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, dunno why though).

TioRando  relax....relate.....release.

Jesus, it was joke. You folks in the Cincinnati area aren't provincial, you're paranoid of anything Kentucky. :)

 

 

Easy, Rando, easy. I don't think Pat Forde was trying to call us KY necessarily, and I know I wasn't.

 

It's more that Ohio doesn't matter as much to Cincinnati. It's why the coverage of the statehouse is so terrible here. It's why you can be a Michigan football fan. Things are a bit different down here. Maybe it's because Cincinnati was a capital before Ohio was a state.

 

 

Well, it wasn't a capital, but I get your point.  Cincinnati has long been provincial (CincyUSA anyone?) and that's fine.  Though don't expect the rest of the state to not notice (though the northern Ohioans do seem to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, dunno why though).

 

Again, why all this damage control over a joke? Christ, I see Southern Ohioans can be just as touchy as Northern, ColDayMan. Why are you always trying split the two groups apart?

Though don't expect the rest of the state to not notice (though the northern Ohioans do seem to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, dunno why though).

 

Because we're better than you people!!  There I said it! 

 

You know the saying, once you cross the Ohio turnpike going south, nobody cares whats out there.

 

Now how is that for an insult?   :evil:

 

please note:  This was strickly a joke, so don't take it personal.  If you do take this person - get a fuckin' life!

That's it, I can't take it anymore!!!!

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^ColDayMan, Cincinnati was capital of the Northwest Territory.

i think it has more to do with the fact that cincy ppl dont care as much about osu as the rest of the state b/c cincy has uc.  i think it has more to do with college allegiance than anything.  the up is literally separate.  i think its for ohio, its just a reference to sports. 

i wrote him an email to ask him what he meant.  hopefully i get a response. 

^ColDayMan, Cincinnati was capital of the Northwest Territory.

Though don't expect the rest of the state to not notice (though the northern Ohioans do seem to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, dunno why though).

 

Because we're better than you people!!  There I said it! 

 

You know the saying, once you cross the Ohio turnpike going south, nobody cares whats out there.

 

Now how is that for an insult?   :evil:

 

please note:  This was strickly a joke, so don't take it personal.  If you do take this person - get a fuckin' life!

 

LMFAO. I suggest everyone read the fine print.

 

BTW, Atlas hit the nail on the head.

 

Of course it could just be about Cincinnati being the capital of the NW territory back in 1806. Ummmm. Nahhhhh. :)

By 1806, Ohio was a state...

 

I thought Marietta and then Chillicothe were the capitals of the Northwest Territory - I don't remember Cincinnati being a capital...can someone show me where I'm wrong?  My assumption is that I'm the one in error here, because I don't know my early Ohio history very well at all...

 

1803, I know. 1789 NW Territory formed I believe. Brain fart. But again, I'll bet the reason for the Forde's seperation had nothing to do with this stuff.

Marietta was in fact the first capital of the Northwest Territory, followed by Chillicothe. Cincinnati was never capital of the NWT. But I did find this interesting tidbit while researching the topic:

 

"So rapid was the growth of Cincinnati that by 1860, it was the sixth-largest US City and the unquestioned manufacturing capital of the nation. When New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley wrote his famous lines in 1850, "Go West young man, and grow up with the country," he was talking about the Midwest and in particular, Cincinnati. Greeley also predicted that, "within 50 years, Cincinnati will become the greatest city on earth."

 

Such fame, fortune and location prompted many influential people to advocate relocating the US capital to Cincinnati as early as 1830. The movement culminated in 1879 with an actual convention in Cincinnati on moving the nation's capital, where nothing was accomplished and the movement died."

 

The is from http://www.cincygardens.com/menu/city_of_cinti.htm

I would have taken it as a compliment if Pat Forde had said "Cleveland" instead of Cincinnati. But Clevelanders seem to care more about the Bucks than Cincinnatians do -- unfortunately -- so the joke doen't fit as well. I wish the Bucks would go hang their sloopy someplace else.

Uh, remember the context before analyzing - this is about the game.  I think he is pointing out the fact that Cincinnati does not offer Ohio State the homogenized support that most of the state does.  For example, Cleveland covers Ohio State much more than the Cincinnati media, almost as if it is a local team.  In Cincinnati you will find a high number of prospective college students that will go to Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, and Notre Dame, not to mention the allegiance to local schools like UC, Xavier, and Miami.  Just take a look at the flags around town.

 

I suppose it has never sat well with the Statehouse that Cincinnati has chosen the moniker Cincinnati, USA, and I recall stories about it causing some issues in dealing with them.  Regardless, the region is just different in that it covers 3 states with allegiances spread across many schools.  Pat Forde has always been a bit of a moron and often cannot mask his support of the University of Louisville (as their local writer), but I guess if he responds we will see what he meant.

Easy, Rando, easy. I don't think Pat Forde was trying to call us KY necessarily, and I know I wasn't.

 

It's more that Ohio doesn't matter as much to Cincinnati. It's why the coverage of the statehouse is so terrible here. It's why you can be a Michigan football fan. Things are a bit different down here. Maybe it's because Cincinnati was a capital before Ohio was a state.

 

 

Well, it wasn't a capital, but I get your point.  Cincinnati has long been provincial (CincyUSA anyone?) and that's fine.  Though don't expect the rest of the state to not notice (though the northern Ohioans do seem to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, dunno why though).

 

Again, why all this damage control over a joke? Christ, I see Southern Ohioans can be just as touchy as Northern, ColDayMan. Why are you always trying split the two groups apart?

 

And...

 

Though don't expect the rest of the state to not notice (though the northern Ohioans do seem to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, dunno why though).

 

Because we're better than you people!!  There I said it! 

 

You know the saying, once you cross the Ohio turnpike going south, nobody cares whats out there.

 

Now how is that for an insult?   :evil:

 

please note:  This was strickly a joke, so don't take it personal.  If you do take this person - get a fuckin' life!

 

Nuff said. ;)

 

^ColDayMan, Cincinnati was capital of the Northwest Territory.

 

Cincinnati was never the capital of the Northwest Territories.  I think it's moreso due to the "only big city west of the Appalachians" at the time for Cincinnati.  Almost Bostonian...

 

And CDawg's response isn't worth bothering to respond to (I mean, honestly, do people REALLY think the ESPN staff care about the red/blue shit in regards to sports?)

Oh come on, it's funny :)

 

Laugh!

 

You know the saying, once you cross the Ohio turnpike going south, nobody cares whats out there.

 

 

 

Ouch!

But uh...he's from Chicago and has a big mouth.

 

  Cincinnati may not have been a capital, but we had a federal land office, a U.S. Fort, etc. Steubenville and Marietta also had land offices, I think. This was pre-statehood.

 

  There's an old story that the mayor of Cincinnati called the governor to ask of some favor.

    The governor asked "Cincinnati where?"

    The mayor said, "Cincinnati."

    "Cincinnati where?"

    "Cincinnati! what do you mean Cincinnati where?"

 

    The governor was trying to get him to say "Ohio."

 

   

 

 

God...this should not be so complicated. The magazine was just saying that Cincinnati does not have the crazed obsession for Ohio State, as do other parts of the state.  Most of these writers probably have no cluse about the political climate, prior capitals, or anything else. It's a sports magazine, let's leave it at that.

Who the hell cares what some dumbass journalist says... hes a journalist...everyone knows journalism is a cop-out major for dumbasses :]

Who the hell cares what some dumbass journalist says... hes a journalist...everyone knows journalism is a cop-out major for dumbasses :]

 

...especially sports journalists!!! Those dumb jock dumbasses!! lol

Sports and intellect never co-exist. My friend switched from pre-med to "sports management". He started talking it up, like "it's a pre-law track" lmao

so let me get this straight. We've gone from someone wondering about a perceived slight to Cincinnati, to propagating ignorant prejudicial stereotypes against another segment of the population? Sounds to me like you people need to chill. Who the F cares what someone thinks of you as an individual or as a city. Cincinnati needs to put away the "Sally Field "complex it has and  stand up and proudly declare itself as a great city full of tradition,culture,history,opportunity etc...In my eyes great people and places dont obscess over what other people think or say about them they continue to move forward,take the risks (sometimes ridicule)others are too timid to pursue and hopefully sucess,and perhaps greatness follow after. I did not take the reporters assertion as an insult I thought it referred to the whole "Cincinnati,USA" which this town has used for decades prior to the official slogan,ad campaign adopted by the chamber of commerce,or whoever.Anyway, can we please just move on?

Okay, once again, LK's got to step in and set the historical record straight:

 

^ColDayMan, Cincinnati was capital of the Northwest Territory.

 

Cramer is correct about this.  While there may not have been an officially designated capital, Arthur St. Clair was the Territory's only governor.  Therefore where he resided becomes, in effect, the capital.  Also, all military operations against the Indians originated from Cincinnati, proceeding further and further up the I-75 corridor, signifying the strategic importance of the town.  The original supreme court was made up of John Cleves Symmes (of Cincinnati), James Mitchell Varnum (of Marietta), and Samuel Holden Parsons (of Marietta), which implies that the administration of the territory was effectively split between the two major settlemets, Marietta and Cincinnati, though Cincinnati/Fort Washington was the primary logistics center and residence of the governor.

 

I think that the ESPN quote is a compliment, since it's making a joke that only Ohioans would really get.  Toledo would have been just as effective, but Cincinnati is much more subtle and clever.

 

There's an old story that the mayor of Cincinnati called the governor to ask of some favor:

    The governor asked "Cincinnati where?"

    The mayor said, "Cincinnati."

    "Cincinnati where?"

    "Cincinnati!  What do you mean Cincinnati where?"

 

The governor was trying to get him to say "Ohio."

 

I've heard that story before.  Whether it is true or not, it perfectly encapsulates the mindset of Cincinnatians vis-a-vis the rest of the state, which is that they aren't really thinking about it.  That's why both the story and the ESPN joke are funny.  It's not like people are thinking about Kentucky or Indiana either, but the fact that Cincinnati is so close to both of those states tend to make it beholden to none.  Attending the Universities of Kentucky or Indiana is a perfectly normal and typical thing for the average Cincinnatian- those schools are actually closer to home than Ohio State is.  Cincinnati is also a much older town than the other major cities in Ohio.  The population base is primarily of pre-Civil War immigrant stock, German, Irish, & Scotch-Irish, whereas most of the other major cities in Ohio, particularly the ones in the northeast, have a more eastern European and Italian flavor.  The economies and voting patterns of Cincinnati are unique compared to the other cities of the State.

 

At the risk of sounding incredibly snotty, the arrivistes and nouveau Cincinnatiens should take the time to understand the appreciate the kultur der Heimat before exploding with their ideologies personelle.  Can I get an Amen?

Sports and intellect never co-exist. My friend switched from pre-med to "sports management". He started talking it up, like "it's a pre-law track" lmao

 

Maybe you should tell that to Boston Red Sox GM Theo Epstein.  Who graduated from Yale University and later got his Juris Doctor and passed the California bar while he was working 70 hour weeks for the Padres front office.  Or maybe the entire Oakland Athletics organization, who also has a Harvard Grad working as GM in-training.  Or the very extensive statistical analysis formulas that Oakland has revolutionized, with pretty much every professional sporting organization in the world has adopted and utilized since.  Or even the Society for American Baseball Research, which is based out of Cleveland, that use mathematical tools to analyze the game.

 

You know the saying, once you cross the Ohio turnpike going south, nobody cares whats out there.

 

 

 

Ouch!

 

Based on metro population trends the people above I-80 apparently like what's out there better.  Kidding...I just missed this one yesterday.  I do think it is funny how much talk this generated.

 

You know the saying, once you cross the Ohio turnpike going south, nobody cares whats out there.

 

 

 

Ouch!

 

Based on metro population trends the people above I-80 apparently like what's out there better.  Kidding...I just missed this one yesterday.  I do think it is funny how much talk this generated.

 

Its still the most populated area in the state....so there! :evil: :-P

Sports and intellect never co-exist. My friend switched from pre-med to "sports management".

 

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss sports journalists as "non-intellectual." In fact, some of the people on ESPN are better than anyone on a "real" news network.

 

"Sports management" is nothing like "broadcast journalism." Most the people on ESPN have journalism degrees or better.

 

He started talking it up, like "it's a pre-law track" lmao

 

sounds like some of my friends who are "pre-business"!!! :lol:

 

 

I only mentioned the sports management part because of my comment about sports and intellect not coexisting. I stereotype everything, and most of the time it's not based on much so don't take it personal.

Toledo would have been just as effective, but Cincinnati is much more subtle and clever.

 

It wouldn't be as funny because Toledo IS Michigan and everyone knows it, even Toledo. It will be a cold day in hell before I recognize Toledo as part of Ohio. We should join back with our family up north. Go blue!!

Good, keep your ugly oily town with its teen prostitution ring away from us. Good riddance d:]

i think it has more to do with the fact that cincy ppl dont care as much about osu as the rest of the state b/c cincy has uc.  i think it has more to do with college allegiance than anything.  the up is literally separate.  i think its for ohio, its just a reference to sports. 

 

As far as I can tell you're right, Atlas.  I was really surprised when I started attending OSU (having grown up in Greater Cincinnati) how big and lively Columbus was, because I couldn't recall hearing about the city or OSU when I lived at home.  And it goes the other way too - at school we did not hear much news from Cincinnati.  So in a way it is like Cincinnati is not so much part of the rest of Ohio.

Toledo would have been just as effective, but Cincinnati is much more subtle and clever.

 

It wouldn't be as funny because Toledo IS Michigan and everyone knows it, even Toledo. It will be a cold day in hell before I recognize Toledo as part of Ohio. We should join back with our family up north. Go blue!!

 

Give us back our paved roads then. Why does I-75 turn into a pock-marked country road when you hit the Michigan line?

 

Michigan....ick.

LincolnKennedy - thanks for the clarification/correction on the capital issue.  I did a bunch of reading about it this morning - fascinating times, no doubt...from what I saw, St. Clair actually formally established Cincinnati as the seat of justice for the Northwest Territory - so "first capital" doesn't even have to be inferred by where he hung out - it was actually declared so.

 

Of course, the thought that this ESPN guy had any inkling of all of this - or that, if he did, it was what he thought folks would pick up on - that seems dubious to me.  My theory?  Dude had a clever thing to fill in a box with - "ooo, the Upper Penninsula is hardly even Michigan!  Hmm...now what the hell can I put on the Ohio side of the box?  Hmm..."

 

Attending the Universities of Kentucky or Indiana is a perfectly normal and typical thing for the average Cincinnatian- those schools are actually closer to home than Ohio State is.

 

What do you mean by "closer to home"?  Do you mean the cities are more similar?  Because obviously, Bloomington is 20+ miles further away than Columbus, and at least an hour longer of a drive because of all that time spent on 46.  And really, Columbus is only another 10-15 miles further away than Lexington...so I'm guessing you mean the cities have a similar feel?

 

OK folks....let it go!  NEXT!

I would say no, but there is truth in it. Yesterday all of Cleveland's sports news trucks were down here. Ohio State will be playing at Cleveland Browns stadium in a few years. There is alot of coverage on Ohio State even billboards promoting Ohio State as a place to go to College. I just think central and Northeast Ohio have more in common with each other than the Southwest and should not be taken as an insult.

Easy, Rando, easy. I don't think Pat Forde was trying to call us KY necessarily, and I know I wasn't.

 

It's more that Ohio doesn't matter as much to Cincinnati. It's why the coverage of the statehouse is so terrible here. It's why you can be a Michigan football fan. Things are a bit different down here. Maybe it's because Cincinnati was a capital before Ohio was a state.

 

I did not mention anything about KY in my post....so I'm not real sure about all the comments of SW Ohioans getting touchy about being compared to KY.  Also I am not ticked at you, cramer, or anyone else on here about this....plain and simple:  I'M AM TIRED OF ESPN'S SLANTED (NEGATIVE) COVERAGE OF ALL THINGS CINCINNATI!

Northwest Territory :

 

"At first, the territory had a modified form of martial law. The governor was also the senior army officer within the territory and he combined legislative and executive authority. But, a supreme court was established, and he shared legislative powers with the court. County governments were organized as soon as the population was sufficient, and these assumed local administrative and judicial functions. Washington County was the first of these, at Marietta in 1788. Hamilton County at Cincinnati followed in 1790. (These areas later became part of Ohio.)"

 

From Answers.com

 

 

... I've been MIA for the last couple of days, so excuse me for the delay, but I do not see the insult???

 

Can someone please break this down for me?

 

Marietta was the capital of Washington County, yes, and that was the first county organized - but it wasn't capital of the Northwest Territory.  At least not from anything I've read...