Orange Village promotes large lot sizes by zoning single family homes on 1.5 acres.  Are there any other greater Cleveland areas that have similar zoning measures in place?  Thanks

Several communities in eastern Cuyahoga County have similar zoning provisions. Moreland Hills has a two acre minimum lot size, which was upheld by the Ohio Supreme Court in January.

Most newer suburbs have zoning like that. In Geauga County (e.g. Bainbridge), they require even larger lot sizes, something like 3 acres. It's how they keep poor people out -- blatant classism, IMO.

Several communities in eastern Cuyahoga County have similar zoning provisions. Moreland Hills has a two acre minimum lot size, which was upheld by the Ohio Supreme Court in January.

 

Are there communities in southern or western Cuyahoga county that have these measures in place? 

Not in western Cuyahoga County, and probably not in southern parts of the county. These are all pretty well developed, and not as wealthy as Cuyahoga County's eastern suburbs (check the average per-community home prices for example). However you might see something like this in parts of Lorain County and, more likely, Medina County.

I've been told that Columbia Station has a rule like this, but I'm not sure if it's true or not.

"In Geauga County (e.g. Bainbridge), they require even larger lot sizes, something like 3 acres. It's how they keep poor people out -- blatant classism, IMO."

 

And not coincidentally, that zoning encourages and perpetuates a car-dependent, lard-@ss lifestyle:

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3076958/

Are there communities in southern or western Cuyahoga county that have these measures in place?

 

Not in western Cuyahoga County, and probably not in southern parts of the county. These are all pretty well developed, and not as wealthy as Cuyahoga County's eastern suburbs (check the average per-community home prices for example).

 

I think Ken's on the money here. If you'd like to research the issue for yourself, we've collected links to the zoning codes of Cuyahoga County communities.

I think Ken's on the money here. If you'd like to research the issue for yourself, we've collected links to the zoning codes of Cuyahoga County communities.

 

Thanks for the very helpful link.  Mixed developments and affordable housing requirements are techniques being used to make communities more heterogeneous.  Opponents will argue that this can have a negative impact on property values.

 

Thanks for the very helpful link.  Mixed developments and affordable housing requirements are techniques being used to make communities more homogeneous.  Opponents will argue that this can have a negative impact on property values.

 

homogeneous? How so?

i'm hoping that it was a typo and he meant heterogeneous

 

 

What irks me is that some families of 2 adults, 2 children buy 3000-4000 square feet of living space and make realtors, bankers, builders, utility companies, building material companies, governmental organizations richer. 

What irks me is that some families of 2 adults, 2 children buy 3000-4000 square feet of living space and make realtors, bankers, builders, utility companies, building material companies, governmental organizations richer. 

 

Do you hate me?--my wife, son and I live in a 3000 sq ft home in Ohio City.   

 

 

What irks me is that some families of 2 adults, 2 children buy 3000-4000 square feet of living space and make realtors, bankers, builders, utility companies, building material companies, governmental organizations richer. 

 

I am part of a family of 2 adults; 2 children and grew up in a 4k+ home.  I'm a single adult male and I live in a 3k square foot apartment AND a 3k+ square foot brownstone.  Double Irked?  :wink:

 

My ROI is insane, so those you mentioned above are not the only ones who's financial stability improves.  In my shaker apartment i've put in more money upgrading the place, to the point that, the upgrades (over the years) amount to more than my purchase price.  Others here might be in the same boat.

 

Don't hate the playa...hate the game.  (yeah, I know that wasn't as good as one of blinky's sport metaphors)

 

My S.O. has a 3K sq. ft. home in the city as well... guess he's part of the "axis of evil". :lol:

My S.O. has a 3K sq. ft. home in the city as well... guess he's part of the "axis of evil". :lol:

 

I see that folks are expressing "shock and awe".

i'm only 2k sq ft, i must be less of a man.

i'm only 2k sq ft, i must be less of a man.

 

Oh papal one...I guess you'll have to upgrade!  It's a ManLaw!!

What irks me is that some families of 2 adults, 2 children buy 3000-4000 square feet of living space and make realtors, bankers, builders, utility companies, building material companies, governmental organizations richer. 

 

Do you hate me?--my wife, son and I live in a 3000 sq ft home in Ohio City.   

 

 

 

If you had less than 3k, due to greater groundwater infiltration, you could have contributed to possibly preventing the flooding problems in southern Cuyahoga this year. 

^well, technically we only have 2700sq ft so I guess we're fine. If you count our attic, which is finished yet has no bath, we go over 3000sq ft. So I'm not really sure whether or not we passed your irk threshold level.

^well, technically we only have 2700sq ft so I guess we're fine. If you count our attic, which is finished yet has no bath, we go over 3000sq ft. So I'm not really sure whether or not we passed your irk threshold level.

 

You remind of John Kerry and other politicos with the flipflop between 3000 and 2700 sqft. 

^well, technically we only have 2700sq ft so I guess we're fine. If you count our attic, which is finished yet has no bath, we go over 3000sq ft. So I'm not really sure whether or not we passed your irk threshold level.

 

Attics and basements in Ohio are counted in the total living space IIRC.  I know some states don't count basesments and label them "bonus" rooms.

Orange Village promotes large lot sizes by zoning single family homes on 1.5 acres.  Are there any other greater Cleveland areas that have similar zoning measures in place?  Thanks

 

Many communities in Lake County; Madison Township, Perry Township, North Perry Village, Leroy, Concord, Kirtland, Kirtland Hills, Waite Hill, and Willoughby Hills. "Lake Wobegon" syndrome is a problem; every community wants development that is above average.  NU/TND is a very hard sell.

 

One problem: land is cheap, cheap, cheap, and there's no financial incentive to use t efficiently, on the part of the town/city or the developer.  Land ownership patterns are very fragmented, and it's difficult to consolidate parcels into a configuration that would be ideal for a higher density development.  Also, communities still see themselves as very family-friendly, and want more traditional families as new residents, despite the drain they have on resources; the cost of services consumed is far higher than the taxes paid on a typical single family house.  The tax revenue of bigger houses is seen as something that can reduce the cost of service gap.

^dan, you lost me on your acronyms, "NU/TND"

Sorry.  New Urbanism/Traditional Neighborhood Development.

Orange Village promotes large lot sizes by zoning single family homes on 1.5 acres.  Are there any other greater Cleveland areas that have similar zoning measures in place?  Thanks

 

Many communities in Lake County; Madison Township, Perry Township, North Perry Village, Leroy, Concord, Kirtland, Kirtland Hills, Waite Hill, and Willoughby Hills. "Lake Wobegon" syndrome is a problem; every community wants development that is above average.  NU/TND is a very hard sell.

 

Do we really want high density development in those places?  I would think that putting such high density development so far from the core of our metropolitan area somewhat defeats the purpose.

That's my first impression, too. Particularly in a region with a stagnant population, I don't think that dense, haphazard exurban development advances the urban agenda very well. Ultimately, however, I would prefer to see regional land planning that identifies strategic corridors for denser housing (1 acre lots, 0.5 acre lots?), while protecting large swatches of natural land from residential and commercial development.

There are a lot of ways it could be done better with regional planning of course- cluster housing developments, transfer of development rights, new towns, greenbelts, etc.  But we don't really have the governance in place to make these sorts of decisions at a level that can really coordinate it.

There are a lot of ways it could be done better with regional planning of course- cluster housing developments, transfer of development rights, new towns, greenbelts, etc.  But we don't really have the governance in place to make these sorts of decisions at a level that can really coordinate it.

 

The Ohio state legislature is considering a bill that will give townships the power to implement transfer of development rights programs.  They may even include the power to have cross-jurisdictional TDRs.