August 29, 20222 yr Lots of good content in this article about attempts to get a landmark designation for the Sidaway bridge in the hopes of restoring it. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
September 9, 20222 yr Video from Landmarks. Really great history/presentation about the Sidaway bridge. I can imagine this fully renovayed to be part of a trail system sparking development in those two neighborehoods. Seeing this lit up at night would be dramatic. To me this would warrant some aarpa money. Perspectus did a nice job. https://youtu.be/-Ok5lFM6zbs?t=6624
September 9, 20222 yr * Thanks. This is a cool project and more importantly than anything else, has taught me it’s pronounced SIDE-away and not SIDD-e-way. I’d always wondered. My hovercraft is full of eels
September 9, 20222 yr 10 hours ago, freethink said: Video from Landmarks. Really great history/presentation about the Sidaway bridge. I can imagine this fully renovayed to be part of a trail system sparking development in those two neighborehoods. Seeing this lit up at night would be dramatic. To me this would warrant some aarpa money. Perspectus did a nice job. https://youtu.be/-Ok5lFM6zbs?t=6624 That was great! Thanks for posting. I particularly enjoyed Tony Brancatelli rocking the Sidaway Bridge virtual background on his WebEx video feed. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
October 5, 20222 yr I was coming home up I-77 this afternoon and thought I’d take a detour up the OC/105th and Euclid back into downtown, as I’d not been that way for a while and wanted to catch myself up on all the developments going on. I took the OC exit heading East and the traffic on the OC heading west, at 3.45pm was backed up solid from E55th to past Buckeye and almost E93rd. What is it they say about induced demand?? My hovercraft is full of eels
October 5, 20222 yr 59 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: What is it they say about induced demand?? The Clinic got their driveway. Now lets take some lanes off of Carnegie and Chester...
October 5, 20222 yr 8 hours ago, GISguy said: The Clinic got their driveway. Now lets take some lanes off of Carnegie and Chester... You are not going to get people in this region to spend money to reduce their ability to move around easily. It's a complete waste of political capital to even try. Carnegie is a state route, Chester is federal. Edited October 5, 20222 yr by E Rocc
October 5, 20222 yr Carnegie is not a state route. SR-10 currently jumps from Lorain down to the OC And bypasses Carnegie completely. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
November 25, 20222 yr I assume the police HQ will not be built at OC location since there is plenty available spaces downtown. I wonder what might go in the OC location instead? Edited November 25, 20222 yr by LibertyBlvd
November 25, 20222 yr I replied in the Police HQ thread. There are no plans for the OC site yet and probably won't be until well after a new location is decided. Technically, the OC site is still in play. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 28, 20222 yr On 11/25/2022 at 12:18 PM, LibertyBlvd said: I assume the police HQ will not be built at OC location since there is plenty available spaces downtown. I wonder what might go in the OC location instead? Perhaps something that provides "Opportunity" and not just for construction jobs.
November 30, 20222 yr Cold storage building.... It is a large building but it looks huge in the pictures...
November 30, 20222 yr Cold storage and distribution warehouses -- large buildings turning a blank wall to the neighborhood, with few jobs per square foot. Be grateful for the "opportunity," eh?
November 30, 20222 yr True, but if it keeps Orlando Bakery in Cleveland, It is a good thing. I hope you weren't expecting it to become another Chagrin Blvd in Beachwood with offices, hotels and restaurants. Edited November 30, 20222 yr by LibertyBlvd
November 30, 20222 yr As much as people are Cleveland boosters on this site, I don't think anyone really thought this project was going to be a success, at least from a development perspective. The forgotten triangle has a new road connecting 490 to University Circle. Whoopie. Don't think the coffee shop, microbrewery, and women walking dogs at night population is heading there anytime soon. Edited November 30, 20222 yr by TBideon
November 30, 20222 yr 9 minutes ago, TBideon said: As much as people are Cleveland boosters on this site, I don't think anyone really thought this project was going to be a success, at least from a development perspective. The forgotten triangle has a new road connecting 490 to University Circle. Whoopie. Don't think the coffee shop, microbrewery, and women walking dogs at night population is heading there anytime soon. I think the intention or Opportunity Corridor is to create development opportunities for warehouse, light manufacturing, etc. It's essentially a business park and will take decades to buildout.
November 30, 20222 yr These are largely unskilled jobs -- the kind that built this city into an industrial powerhouse. They could be careers for some, but mostly they're stepping-stone jobs in lieu of social programs. Not everyone wants to go to college and not everyone is in the creative class. Cleveland always had lots of manufacturing jobs available for them. Not anymore. But dozens and dozens of these warehouse facilities have been built in the suburbs (Mentor, Twinsburg, Hudson, Avon, Strongsville, etc) in transit-inaccessible locations. Even if they were served by transit (such as Cochran Road in Solon), the few buses a day out there were packed to the doors with workers that some people waiting for the bus would get bypassed. Those who fit on the bus would take an hour or more to get there and another hour or more to get back. Putting these jobs in the urban core, along two high-frequency rail transit lines whose stations are linked by several bus routes and a new road with a bike path along it, makes them far more accessible than anything we've seen in a long time (aside from the recent Amazon warehouses, also in transit-accessible locations in Euclid, North Randall and Cleveland-Cudell). There may be some leftover, strangely shaped parcels that are never developed, I think this corridor is going to buildout faster than some of us think. Warehouse-distribution facilities are desperate for workers and if these places get more applicants for the jobs that are available, you may see some worker-starved facilities in the suburbs seek out relocations or expansions on the Opportunity Corridor. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 30, 20222 yr 41 minutes ago, TBideon said: As much as people are Cleveland boosters on this site, I don't think anyone really thought this project was going to be a success, at least from a development perspective. The forgotten triangle has a new road connecting 490 to University Circle. Whoopie. Don't think the coffee shop, microbrewery, and women walking dogs at night population is heading there anytime soon. I just wish they would finally get ride of the stupid name. There have to be scores of deserving people from the neighborhood it can be named after.
November 30, 20222 yr 18 minutes ago, KJP said: There may be some leftover, strangely shaped parcels that are never developed, I think this corridor is going to buildout faster than some of us think. Warehouse-distribution facilities are desperate for workers and if these places get more applicants for the jobs that are available, you may some worker-starved facilities in the suburbs seek out relocations or expansions on the Opportunity Corridor. I think the potential is beyond the parcels on the corridor itself. Looking at a satellite view there's lots of vacancy near the corridor. If they plan it correctly, additional roads can connect to vacant swaths near the corridor. This part could take decades and that's fine.
November 30, 20222 yr 24 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I just wish they would finally get ride of the stupid name. There have to be scores of deserving people from the neighborhood it can be named after. I'm a little biased, but I would suggest renaming it Liberty Blvd rather than naming it for another local politician. The original Liberty Blvd was named to honor Cleveland area soldiers who had died during World War I. Edited November 30, 20222 yr by LibertyBlvd
November 30, 20222 yr 43 minutes ago, KJP said: These are largely unskilled jobs -- the kind that built this city into an industrial powerhouse. They could be careers for some, but mostly they're stepping-stone jobs in lieu of social programs. Not everyone wants to go to college and not everyone is in the creative class. Cleveland always had lots of manufacturing jobs available for them. Not anymore. But dozens and dozens of these warehouse facilities have been built in the suburbs (Mentor, Twinsburg, Hudson, Avon, Strongsville, etc) in transit-inaccessible locations. Even if they were served by transit (such as Cochran Road in Solon), the few buses a day out there were packed to the doors with workers that some people waiting for the bus would get bypassed. Those who fit on the bus would take an hour or more to get there and another hour or more to get back. Putting these jobs in the urban core, along two high-frequency rail transit lines whose stations are linked by several bus routes and a new road with a bike path along it, makes them far more accessible than anything we've seen in a long time (aside from the recent Amazon warehouses, also in transit-accessible locations in Euclid, North Randall and Cleveland-Cudell). There may be some leftover, strangely shaped parcels that are never developed, I think this corridor is going to buildout faster than some of us think. Warehouse-distribution facilities are desperate for workers and if these places get more applicants for the jobs that are available, you may some worker-starved facilities in the suburbs seek out relocations or expansions on the Opportunity Corridor. What Ken said. How often do I say that? An hour is generous.
November 30, 20222 yr 33 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I just wish they would finally get ride of the stupid name. There have to be scores of deserving people from the neighborhood it can be named after. Garrett Morgan Parkway is the obvious choice. His first traffic light was at what's now the eastern end.
November 30, 20222 yr 17 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: I'm a little biased, but I would suggest renaming it Liberty Blvd rather than naming it for another local politician. The original Liberty Blvd was named to honor Cleveland area soldiers who had died during World War I. I'm old enough to see what you did there. :) I always felt they should have renamed East Blvd, not Liberty.
November 30, 20222 yr 34 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I just wish they would finally get ride of the stupid name. There have to be scores of deserving people from the neighborhood it can be named after. Terdolph Boulevard
November 30, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Garrett Morgan Parkway is the obvious choice. His first traffic light was at what's now the eastern end. One of our few agreements.
November 30, 20222 yr 28 minutes ago, freefourur said: One of our few agreements. Hey, that was my idea! ERocc stole it! 😤 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 30, 20222 yr 3 minutes ago, KJP said: Hey, that was my idea! ERocc stole it! 😤 It's possible, though I thought I first mentioned it when the road was just a concept.
November 30, 20222 yr 14 minutes ago, E Rocc said: It's possible, though I thought I first mentioned it when the road was just a concept. Yeah, well, you look like a thief. 😎 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 30, 20222 yr I rather like "Opportunity Corridor," lest we forget, as time passes, what it was claimed purpoes was.
November 30, 20222 yr This is pretty much the sort of development I expected along the OC, minus the call center/back office stuff that is probably going to be the least likely real estate to come back from the pandemic.
February 2, 20232 yr Local initiative aims to make properties around Opportunity Corridor 'shovel ready' for future development. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/local-initiative-aims-to-make-properties-around-opportunity-corridor-shovel-ready-for-future-development
February 2, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Local initiative aims to make properties around Opportunity Corridor 'shovel ready' for future development. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/local-initiative-aims-to-make-properties-around-opportunity-corridor-shovel-ready-for-future-development That's a very good article. Lots of information and quotes from lots of people. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 2, 20232 yr That’s pretty exciting to see. I know a lot of people would rather see brand new neighborhoods born out of Opportunity Corridor, but warehousing could really help people with no job experience. I’ve mentioned in the past, but I got my start in a warehouse and have worked my way up in the Supply Chain world. Could really give people well, opportunities.
February 2, 20232 yr This is further proof that the police headquarters on opportunity corridor was a poorly thought out idea. I'm glad this administration is getting that right.
April 21, 20232 yr https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/development-begins-taking-shape-along-opportunity-corridor
August 11, 20231 yr This road was such a waste. This is from yesterday- traffic backed up, light pole knocked over, no traffic in the eastbound direction. So much Opportunity.
August 11, 20231 yr Just now, LibertyBlvd said: OC should have been a freeway IMO. After being passed by a few cars 50+ (and one trying to drag race) it pretty much is. Only difference between this and the Rt. 2 redesign by Edgewater is that there are lights on OC (and a terrible bike path) - same speed limit of 35, though. Hot take: ODOT has no business designing urban roads, they only make things worse.
August 11, 20231 yr 38 minutes ago, GISguy said: Hot take: ODOT has no business designing urban roads, they only make things worse. I think ODOT has a questionairre they send out to the concrete and asphalt lobbysists and this is how they determine what projects to pursue.
August 11, 20231 yr 25 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said: I think ODOT has a questionairre they send out to the concrete and asphalt lobbysists and this is how they determine what projects to pursue. lol explains all the unnecessary highway work they always seem to find. I swear half of the projects on local roads are going on just to spend money. Meanwhile any meaningful bike/ped infra is like pulling teeth. I know it was kind of a pipedream from the start but the 490 bridge is about to get rehabbed and Bike Cle had a writein campaign to get some infrastructure on the redone bridge. It was shot down almost immediately, despite a big campaign. I get ODOT exists to move cars as fast and efficient as possible, but having driven that bridge plenty of times during our "rush hour" losing a lane isn't going to hurt anyone.
August 11, 20231 yr 21 minutes ago, GISguy said: lol explains all the unnecessary highway work they always seem to find. I swear half of the projects on local roads are going on just to spend money. Meanwhile any meaningful bike/ped infra is like pulling teeth. I know it was kind of a pipedream from the start but the 490 bridge is about to get rehabbed and Bike Cle had a writein campaign to get some infrastructure on the redone bridge. It was shot down almost immediately, despite a big campaign. I get ODOT exists to move cars as fast and efficient as possible, but having driven that bridge plenty of times during our "rush hour" losing a lane isn't going to hurt anyone. Yeah, that bridge is trash all the way around. Is there a formula or a figure out there for how much it costs the city to maintain a mile of road?
August 11, 20231 yr I'm just shocked that the area isn't exploding with coffee shops, a thriving arts scene, mixed-use housing, small businesses, parks, and a wealth of diverse people moving in to enhance the community. SHOCKED I say. $330 million down the toliet, and, let's be honest, we all knew on some level this project would be a dud.
August 11, 20231 yr The road was designed to move large volumes of cars in and out of University Circle. It's doing exactly what ODOT and the Clinic wanted. That may not be what urbanists wanted, but it's serving the basic goals of the project sponsors and is very popular with the public (based on the many traffic jams). How is that a dud? As for the other things you wanted from OC, an extensive arts scene or parks where never part of the vision (although a park named after artists was included). However, mixed use housing and small-/mid-size businesses were and are. So far, we have.... + $59 million, 196-unit Medley Apartments over Meijer grocery store + $46.4 million 120-unit Woodhill Station West Apartments + $35 million, 182,000-square-foot Reserve Premier warehouse + $33.4 million, 77-unit Woodhill Center East apartments + $30 million, 156,775-square-foot Cleveland Cold Storage building + $27 million, 82-unit The Aura at Innovation Square over ground-floor retail + $11.75 million GCRTA Blue/Green Line East 79th station (starts next year) + $8 million GCRTA Red Line East 79th station + $6.4 million, 36 Colfax Family Homes + $4 million expansion of GCRTA's East 105th-Quincy station + $2.5 million, 10,000-square-foot expansion of Federal Equipment Co. + $1 million?, 17,280-square-foot warehouse expansion for Miceli Dairy + $500,000?, 0.75-acre Playwright Park I won't count the two Cleveland Clinic developments (ie: Cole Eye expansion & the two-building Pathogens Center) along the northeast end of the OC since they would have happened anyway, although the location of the Pathogens center was influenced by the OC. And note the mass demolition of homes underway in the commercially zoned area along East 105th south of Cedar to the Rapid station. Keep an eye on that huge site. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 11, 20231 yr Can't expect instant development all along the OC. It will take time. I was always curious why they built three lanes eastbound, and only two westbound, the latter being where traffic stacks up. For comparison, I originally thought that the Waterfront Rapid Line had huge potential, but was ahead of its time. LOL. still waiting for that one.
August 11, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: The road was designed to move large volumes of cars in and out of University Circle. It's doing exactly what ODOT and the Clinic wanted. That may not be what urbanists wanted, but it's serving the basic goals of the project sponsors and is very popular with the public (based on the many traffic jams). How is that a dud? I'm obviously not a fan so take my comments with a grain of salt but I haven't heard many people (in my circles at least) celebrate the OC. The reviews I hear revolve around all the backups and traffic jam-esque nature of the road and hold it up as an example of induced demand - you can't see in the photo yesterday but it was probably 5-6 cars blocking the (relatively major) E79 intersection after the light went red. The OC is more direct to the Clinic/UC/UH than the other alternatives but (as someone who doesn't drive that way in the morning) is it actually faster during peak times? And if it has solved a major traffic issue, I'd like to see the city/ODOT work to remove lanes from the other urban freeways (Chester, Carnegie, etc.), put their $$ where their claims are. A few other gripes - the bike path is useless and dangerous/covered with glass, and cars routinely knock over poles/crash because it's designed for 65 and not the posted 35. (I know I'm kind of rehashing discussion from when it was built, but I'm not ready to celebrate it either if you couldn't tell). As for what's built on it, we knew it was going to be industrial, (and I'm not trying to be a jerk here) but as far as the residential projects you mentioned - would those have been built even without the OC?
August 11, 20231 yr I drive up I-77 at afternoon rush once a week and the OC has been successful in turning northbound I-77 into a two-lane freeway from Pershing, sometimes Fleet. My hovercraft is full of eels
August 12, 20231 yr On 8/11/2023 at 2:30 PM, GISguy said: I'm obviously not a fan so take my comments with a grain of salt but I haven't heard many people (in my circles at least) celebrate the OC. The reviews I hear revolve around all the backups and traffic jam-esque nature of the road and hold it up as an example of induced demand - you can't see in the photo yesterday but it was probably 5-6 cars blocking the (relatively major) E79 intersection after the light went red. The OC is more direct to the Clinic/UC/UH than the other alternatives but (as someone who doesn't drive that way in the morning) is it actually faster during peak times? And if it has solved a major traffic issue, I'd like to see the city/ODOT work to remove lanes from the other urban freeways (Chester, Carnegie, etc.), put their $$ where their claims are. A few other gripes - the bike path is useless and dangerous/covered with glass, and cars routinely knock over poles/crash because it's designed for 65 and not the posted 35. (I know I'm kind of rehashing discussion from when it was built, but I'm not ready to celebrate it either if you couldn't tell). As for what's built on it, we knew it was going to be industrial, (and I'm not trying to be a jerk here) but as far as the residential projects you mentioned - would those have been built even without the OC? The OC is definitely not designed for 65, and I'm a fast driver. Unlike the West Shoreway, I feel uncomfortable driving at near 50 on the OC, especially on those curves. And if Chester and Carnegie were relieved of traffic, it wasn't by much. Their traffic volumes still seem pretty heavy to me. I think if we finished the downtown Loop and rerouted the Blue Line to Cleveland Clinic, the next obvious thing to do is to connect the Blue Line to the Loop. Trying to relieve traffic is a fool's errand. In a booming urban area like University Circle, you're going to have traffic. What UC lacks is rail access, despite it rivaling downtown for jobs and residents. Private capital often follows public capital. When a major public capital expenditure like a roadway is planned, a lot of the development agencies and private sector developers begin laying out their plans to capitalize on that investment and access. This was the Forgotten Triangle. Why are people paying attention to it now? I hate to say it, because I hate roads, but it's because of the Opportunity Corridor. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 12, 20231 yr The Opportunity Corridor is a failure- nobody uses it because its always too jammed with traffic that is moving too fast and also is always stopped up. And don't forget that it hasn't spurred any development except for the many projects that have happened along its length.
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