So, it's a failure because it has too many cars?  That reminds me of Yogi Berra quote - No one goes there anymore because it's too crowded.

1 hour ago, TR said:

So, it's a failure because it has too many cars?  That reminds me of Yogi Berra quote - No one goes there anymore because it's too crowded.

Why in god's name are the ramps to OPPCO heading to I-490 from I-77 closed? BOTH lanes for at least the last 6 weeks.

I-490 is being rebuilt

^ Yep

 

https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/projects/projects/107408

Facebook group links are tough to share…so here’s a screenshot instead.  One of the last brick buildings coming down. 

5 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Facebook group links are tough to share…so here’s a screenshot instead.  One of the last brick buildings coming down. 

 

A shame, I had hoped that someone would find a way to repurpose it.

Is anything planned for the site?

 

Edited November 25, 20231 yr by LibertyBlvd

8 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Is anything planned for the site?

 

My guess would be site assembly. Market the vacant land for light industrial use.

On 11/24/2023 at 4:32 PM, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Facebook group links are tough to share…so here’s a screenshot instead.  One of the last brick buildings coming down. 

 

Noooo i missed this one. Oh well, there's more than a few around town still lol

On 11/24/2023 at 4:32 PM, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Facebook group links are tough to share…so here’s a screenshot instead.  One of the last brick buildings coming down. 

 

If one is both here and on FB, one should be in this group.

Realtor Tonya Perkins of Shaker Heights appears to be either the owner or the owner's representative of the property on which that demolished building stood.

Let's redirect this discussion to the developments thread. Something may be going on here.

 

 

Welcome to the Carl and Louis Stokes Opportunity Corridor.

What was the justification for making thus boulevard 3 lanes till Woodland going East, but 2 lanes going West from Woodland? Just something I've been wondering about, and can't find / don't remember the answer. 

16 hours ago, Ethan said:

What was the justification for making thus boulevard 3 lanes till Woodland going East, but 2 lanes going West from Woodland? Just something I've been wondering about, and can't find / don't remember the answer. 

 

I don't know the official "press release" answer but we all know ODOT wanted a freeway, and this was as close as they could come. '

 

It has worked well, as I often drive it at 40-45 and get passed by people doing 70. 

2 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

I don't know the official "press release" answer but we all know ODOT wanted a freeway, and this was as close as they could come. '

 

It has worked well, as I often drive it at 40-45 and get passed by people doing 70. 

Sure, but why the discrepancy in lanes? If that's the case, why not bump both directions up to 3 lanes West of Woodland? Weird mash-up of comprises? 

 

It does seem to back up more going Westward than Eastward, though maybe not just for that reason. I also find it interesting that I get directed to take the OC for only the Eastward leg of my commute, induced demand in action! (Though more lanes isn't the main reason for that). 

 

Now that I'm writing this out, I'm guessing the answer is exiting versus entering the freeway. Fewer lanes means when there's traffic it backs up further, and they were probably trying (unsuccessfully) to prevent traffic from the OC from backing up all the way to the freeway. 

On 6/11/2024 at 9:11 AM, Ethan said:

Sure, but why the discrepancy in lanes? If that's the case, why not bump both directions up to 3 lanes West of Woodland? Weird mash-up of comprises? 

 

Checked the land and it's owned either by ODOT or Cleveland, so that isn't a hangup. 

 

The next thing I can think about is limited real estate under 55th in that bathtub area. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/news/2025/01/rust-belt-riders-plans-to-turn-vacant-cleveland-site-into-new-composting-facility.html%3foutputType=amp

 

Couldn't find any Kinsman thread or anything, and it's near the OC. 

 

This is great though. That section of E79/Kinsman is turning into a really cool urban farming area. Hopefully they can continue to build on that. 

Interesting thread, in retrospect....

Redirect, your honor....

The point of the Opportunity Corridor was its original name -- the "University Circle Access Boulevard." It was seen by many as paving over poor neighborhoods (where at least half of all households didn't have a car) so wealthy doctors and others could get from the suburbs to their jobs quicker. So it was dressed up with a new name and got a bunch of low-cost add-ons like the OC trail, an expanded East 105th-Quincy train station, and job training and offering of road construction jobs to neighborhood residents.

The road was also designed to hit at least the corners of every major EPA Superfund site along the way so that the sites could be cleaned up. Twenty years ago, nowhere in Ohio were there more Superfund sites than along the railroad/Rapid tracks from East 55th to 105th.

There are a myriad of parcels that were acquired by ODOT, including some larger parcels whose boundaries extend well beyond the road's right of way which ODOT considers to be 70 feet from the OC's centerline. Beyond that, the city has been trying to get those parcels transferred from ODOT to the city's land bank for almost two years. To manage this large process, the OC has been broken up into numbered zones with each zone tackled one at a time.

Let's compare the Opportunity Corridor with the area around the newly expanded interchange of I-77 and Miller Road (including Valor Acres). First, the OC.....

Then, the I-77/Miller interchange in Brecksville, at the same altitude/scale. What difference do you notice (to nothing of each property's liens and pollutants that you can't see). I post this because is a small example of what the OC is competing against to land new employers....

And look at this behemoth-sized land to be developed across SR 21 from Valor Acres. And this is nothing compared to the bigger farms and wooded parcels in Central Ohio that are being targeted for development.....

On 6/10/2024 at 4:26 PM, Ethan said:

What was the justification for making thus boulevard 3 lanes till Woodland going East, but 2 lanes going West from Woodland? Just something I've been wondering about, and can't find / don't remember the answer. 

I’m guessing you never found an answer to this. I would recommend that you send an email to the ODOT District 12 public information office and ask this question they are typically very good about responding and you may even end up with a quality answer.

4 hours ago, KJP said:

Redirect, your honor....

The point of the Opportunity Corridor was its original name -- the "University Circle Access Boulevard." It was seen by many as paving over poor neighborhoods (where at least half of all households didn't have a car) so wealthy doctors and others could get from the suburbs to their jobs quicker. So it was dressed up with a new name and got a bunch of low-cost add-ons like the OC trail, an expanded East 105th-Quincy train station, and job training and offering of road construction jobs to neighborhood residents.

The road was also designed to hit at least the corners of every major EPA Superfund site along the way so that the sites could be cleaned up. Twenty years ago, nowhere in Ohio were there more Superfund sites than along the railroad/Rapid tracks from East 55th to 105th.

There are a myriad of parcels that were acquired by ODOT, including some larger parcels whose boundaries extend well beyond the road's right of way which ODOT considers to be 70 feet from the OC's centerline. Beyond that, the city has been trying to get those parcels transferred from ODOT to the city's land bank for almost two years. To manage this large process, the OC has been broken up into numbered zones with each zone tackled one at a time.

Let's compare the Opportunity Corridor with the area around the newly expanded interchange of I-77 and Miller Road (including Valor Acres). First, the OC.....

Then, the I-77/Miller interchange in Brecksville, at the same altitude/scale. What difference do you notice (to nothing of each property's liens and pollutants that you can't see). I post this because is a small example of what the OC is competing against to land new employers....

And look at this behemoth-sized land to be developed across SR 21 from Valor Acres. And this is nothing compared to the bigger farms and wooded parcels in Central Ohio that are being targeted for development.....

As always, appreciate the well-detailed explanation

It was posted on the original thread that it would have been better if it had been a freeway. I once felt that way but I don't any more.

It would have been for ....let's be blunt.....its main function of connecting UC/CC much more efficiently with the freeway network. People talk about wealthy doctors from Bay Village, but I recall what a PITA it was to get from Maple Heights to Case. It dramatically improves access from the west (which includes the airport) and the south. Looking at geography, that's a lot of area.

But....instead of blasting through a region that wasn't contributing a lot to the local economy, it set it up to contribute more. It improved the access of people in that area to the rest of the region as well. After all, a road that is easier for cars is also easier for trucks and buses.

Considering that that money was earmarked for spending on Ohio roads to begin with, with very little support for changing that, I honestly don't see how it can retrospectively be seen as a mistake.

(I still would have preferred it be named after a globally famous inventor than locally famous politicians, but let's be real: #ThisIsCleveland.)

I never understood why the OC was built with three lanes eastbound and only two westbound. Predictably, I've gotten stuck in backups in the westbound direction. Also, the proximity of the road to the RR track rights of way just to the north do not leave much space for industrial or commercial development on that side of the road.

Edited 10 hours ago10 hr by urb-a-saurus

2 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said:

I never understood why the OC was built with three lanes eastbound and only two westbound. Predictably, I've gotten stuck in backups in the westbound direction. Also, the proximity of the road to the RR track rights of way just to the north do not leave much space for industrial or commercial development on that side of the road.

I don't think I'd ever heard an explanation for that. But knowing ODOT, my guess is they were afraid of eastbound rush hour traffic backing up on the Interstate system. I say that because of what I'd heard from ODOT about the design of the Inner Belt in Downtown Cleveland. Those "Inner Belt neighborhood designs" I'd suggested and posted in the "What if" development thread from 20 years ago were shot down because ODOT didn't want short ramps downtown. Instead, they wanted the rush-hour traffic to stack up on the ramps so that it wouldn't back up onto the Interstates. Look at the EB Ontario ramp, for example. It's 3,000 feet long before it hits the first traffic light at Carnegie. The East 9th ramp is even longer at 3,600 feet, starting from midway across the Inner Belt bridge to Carnegie. Perhaps ODOT views the Opportunity Corridor as a really long exit ramp into University Circle?