September 11, 20159 yr If you're hoping for some TOD to grow around the 55th station, sticking a CMHA project there (except, perhaps, a senior citizen one) would be a show stopper. I'd recommend green space or a connected and controlled access transfer hub.[/color] Green space doesn't produce ridership. And 60% of transit ridership comes from walk-in trade. If you don't have residential, workplaces, retail, etc. within walking distance of transit, then your transit won't perform. And given rail is a higher capacity transit mode, it needs to have a higher density of uses within walking distance of stations. This is all fundamental Urban Geography 101 stuff I learned in college and have seen it proven time and again in my 30-year career since. A subsidized housing project can be TOD, as could any (industrial, warehousing, offices, market-rate housing, retail or, more likely a mix) depending on its design and site placement. A CMHA development doesn't mean the rise of the old King-Kennedy (aka Dodge City) projects or the Woodland Estates. Today, they are mixed income, subsidized and market units like Tremont Pointe or rebuilt Garden Valley Estates (including the new four-story apartment building at East 79th and Kinsman). It's similar to this one, South Pointe Commons, a permanent supportive housing/retail building on West 25th at Sackett Avenue, just north of Metro's main hospital. It's for disabled homeless people and it has a coffee shop on the ground floor... SouthPointeCommons_W25-Sackett_Cleveland by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr I spend a lot of time around there, and I had no idea whatsoever that this building contained CMHA housing. Good to see they appear to be learning from past mistakes.
September 14, 20159 yr It's not CMHA. Sorry, I was lumping a bunch of housing developments for helping persons less fortunate than us get back on their feet into one category. South Pointe Commons is transitional housing provided by Emerald Development & Economic Network, Inc. (aka EDEN): http://www.edeninc.org/ http://www.edeninc.org/south-pointe-commons.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 14, 20159 yr Planning Commission proposes to set up a Design Review District for potential developments along/near the Opportunity Corridor: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/10162015/index.php City Planning Commission Agenda for October 16, 2015 SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS Opportunity Corridor Design Review District Presenter: Kim Scott, Staff Planner "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 17, 20159 yr Opportunity Corridor design review district approved by Planning Commission http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/10/cleveland_planning_commission_2.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 17, 20159 yr "Local area plans in Slavic Village, emphasize residential development alongside the city's emerging agricultural zone nearby." The OC roadway will not only create a huge hole with that unneeded, grade-separated intersection at E. 55, it will demolish a significant swath of Slavic Village homes along the Bower Ave. corridor which, though poor, is the most built up residential tract along the OC. I don't see how this is "emphasizing residential development in SV."
October 17, 20159 yr "Local area plans in Slavic Village, emphasize residential development alongside the city's emerging agricultural zone nearby." The OC roadway will not only create a huge hole with that unneeded, grade-separated intersection at E. 55, it will demolish a significant swath of Slavic Village homes along the Bower Ave. corridor which, though poor, is the most built up residential tract along the OC. I don't see how this is "emphasizing residential development in SV." Yeah it's just propaganda. Watch closely as to how many promises made in the effort to garner support for this glorified freeway fail to come to fruition.
October 30, 20159 yr Greater Cleve RTA @GCRTA 31m31 minutes ago Mon 11/2-Sun 11/8, E 79 Red Line sta. out of service due to @ODOT_Cleveland bridge demo & construction over tracks http://ow.ly/TXXei "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 16, 20159 yr $150,000 grant will hire University Circle traffic planner By Brenda Cain, cleveland.com Email the author | Follow on Twitter on November 16, 2015 at 4:06 PM, updated November 16, 2015 at 4:40 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio – University Circle Inc. has received $150,000 from the George Gund Foundation to hire a traffic manager to help prepare the area for an influx of traffic congestion coming when the Opportunity Corridor is complete. The grant is expected to pay the manager's salary for two years. "If you look around the country, the really progressive cities all have transportation departments to help them plan for future needs," said University Circle Inc. President Chris Ronayne. The new $331 million boulevard is planned to run from East 55th Street at Interstate 490 to East 105th Street in University Circle. The hope is that the crosstown corridor will spur economic activity in some of Cleveland's most dilapidated and under-populated neighborhoods. University Circle already faces massive traffic challenges. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/11/150000_grant_will_hire_univers.html#incart_river_home
November 19, 20159 yr $150,000 grant will hire University Circle traffic planner By Brenda Cain, cleveland.com Email the author | Follow on Twitter on November 16, 2015 at 4:06 PM, updated November 16, 2015 at 4:40 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio – University Circle Inc. has received $150,000 from the George Gund Foundation to hire a traffic manager to help prepare the area for an influx of traffic congestion coming when the Opportunity Corridor is complete. The grant is expected to pay the manager's salary for two years. "If you look around the country, the really progressive cities all have transportation departments to help them plan for future needs," said University Circle Inc. President Chris Ronayne. The new $331 million boulevard is planned to run from East 55th Street at Interstate 490 to East 105th Street in University Circle. The hope is that the crosstown corridor will spur economic activity in some of Cleveland's most dilapidated and under-populated neighborhoods. University Circle already faces massive traffic challenges. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/11/150000_grant_will_hire_univers.html#incart_river_home It seems ever since UC/Murray Hill lost their unique councilman during the early 80s, they've moved towards becoming an autonomous part of the city.
December 4, 20159 yr I strongly suspect this roadway will gain a significant jump in traffic at Buckeye traveling to/from Shaker Square, Shaker Heights, Beachwood and other destinations east. But this road seems purely designed with University Circle in mind. There's currently quite a jam as Shaker and Buckeye funnel into Woodland to get to E. 55th and I-490. Most of that traffic will surely take advantage of the new boulevard. Does anyone know if a proper traffic analysis was done with regards to this cross town traffic?
December 20, 20159 yr Hi Gebiss, Yes I believe ODOT analyzed the potential traffics on some of these other roads. Check ODOT's Opportunity Corridor website for traffic analyses. And welcome! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 20, 20159 yr If you've been south of Carnegie near University Circle or perusing Google Earth in recent months, you'll see that construction is well underway to widen East 105th Street between Carnegie and Quincy avenues (see July 2015 satellite image below). However the Streetviews still show views that pre-date construction. So I thought I'd document the "BEFORE" conditions before Google updates them and display them here.... The July 2015 construction progress satellite photo: OppCorr-East105-July3-2015 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Streetviews starting at Carnegie and working our way south to Quincy. Most of these are from August 2014: OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-3 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-4 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-5 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2009-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2009-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-3 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-4 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-5 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-6 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-7 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-8 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-9 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-10 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-11 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-12 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-13 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-15 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-16 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-17 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-18 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-19 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-20 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-21 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-22 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr This bridge deck will soon be five lanes wide: OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-23 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Intersection of East 105th and Quincy avenues. Opportunity Corridor will proceed beyond Quincy and curve to the right before the elevated CSX rail line: OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-24 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-25 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Looking east on Quincy at East 105th, below the CSX overpass: OppCorr-Quincy-Sept2014-30 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Transit riders transferring between the Red Line and the East 105th bus: OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-26 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Sept. 2014: OppCorr-East105-Sept2014-27 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Sept2014-27 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Sept2014-28 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Opportunity Corridor will be on the other side of the GCRTA and NS rail lines, heading towards Buckeye, Woodland and Kinsman. View is looking south from Quincy just west of East 105th: OppCorr-Quincy-Sept2014-29 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr That's all folks! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 6, 20169 yr How far along is the Opportunity Corridor? Are there many Construction Engineering/Management positions available for the project? I haven't been able to find any webcam/progress photos on the DOT site, does any update type sites exist for the project?
January 6, 20169 yr I am saddened that so many great industrial complexes were lost - I explored many of them, but most, if not all, were vacant or severely underused/deteriorated. I can't remember to what percentage of the total construction budget it is, but a significant amount of money was spent to remediate those industrial sites. I know there is a lot of debate on the necessity of the project, but now commuting from Lakewood to University Circle daily, traffic isn't all that great from all angles during the morning/evening commute. It will be a time saver for many commuters, but I hope there is more to the project than just ferrying people past vacant lots. The other bonus is that many of these industrial sites were given a clean bill of health, a project that wouldn't have happened or would have taken many more years, without this roadway.
January 6, 20169 yr I am saddened that so many great industrial complexes were lost - I explored many of them, but most, if not all, were vacant or severely underused/deteriorated. I can't remember to what percentage of the total construction budget it is, but a significant amount of money was spent to remediate those industrial sites. I know there is a lot of debate on the necessity of the project, but now commuting from Lakewood to University Circle daily, traffic isn't all that great from all angles during the morning/evening commute. It will be a time saver for many commuters, but I hope there is more to the project than just ferrying people past vacant lots. The other bonus is that many of these industrial sites were given a clean bill of health, a project that wouldn't have happened or would have taken many more years, without this roadway. That is the beauty of this project, they managed to justify a ton of brownfield cleanup. Of secondary benefit is this route will be way more truck friendly than the previous mix. It also facilitates construction on the other routes to UC. Imagine what a major rebuild would do to traffic now.
January 6, 20169 yr Welcome Tarblooder14! You can try starting here, but I am not sure if it has the info you are looking for http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/OpportunityCorridor/Pages/default.aspx
April 6, 20169 yr The City wants to withhold funding unless certain hiring quotas are met. What I found interesting in the article: "Mayor Frank Jackson is getting a little suspicious...the real plan was to build a freeway from highway system to University Circle." "We will construct this project, create economic opportunities for residents in the area and contract with diverse, local contractors. It will be a success with or without the city's promised resources." My thoughts are, Frank...you're not that naive. But second, I've heard rumors that certain contractors as well as certain folks with the State believe the quotas the City is demanding are contrary to Federal Law. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2016/04/city_of_cleveland_vows_to_with.html#incart_m-rpt-1
April 6, 20169 yr Suspicious? That was the original proposal. Not a secret. But also not the current plan, so why talk like that? Because you're Frank Jackson, that's why.
April 6, 20169 yr Plan: Let's force companies to hire a percentage of the workers for a warehouse or business along the Opportunity Corridor from an X mile radius. Reality: Federal and state laws supersede the mayor's demands. Companies interested in hiring qualified workers will relocate to Independence or plenty of other sites with cheap land. Edit: After looking at the article, it seems the state is dialing back some of the required quotas - 20% minority share for job creation? How is that even enforceable or legal? And in a broader picture, have we gone away from using the best and brightest in job searches to filling positions based on quotas and demands? And why is the project offering WiFi? -- As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this?
April 6, 20169 yr As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? Confirmed. I'm not sure that this includes the E105th portion, but definitely the 'new construction' portion. Edit: dang you autocorrect
April 6, 20169 yr Plan: Let's force companies to hire a percentage of the workers for a warehouse or business along the Opportunity Corridor from an X mile radius. Reality: Federal and state laws supersede the mayor's demands. Companies interested in hiring qualified workers will relocate to Independence or plenty of other sites with cheap land. Edit: After looking at the article, it seems the state is dialing back some of the required quotas - 20% minority share for job creation? How is that even enforceable or legal? And in a broader picture, have we gone away from using the best and brightest in job searches to filling positions based on quotas and demands? And why is the project offering WiFi? -- As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? I thought this was for construction jobs, not for businesses locating there. I still think the OC should be called Garrett Morgan Parkway.
April 6, 20169 yr As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? Confirmed. I'm not sure that this includes the E105th portion, but definitely the 'new constitution' portion. How will that work? Will SR 10 follow I-90 east to I-490 from the Lorain Ave. exit?
April 6, 20169 yr Plan: Let's force companies to hire a percentage of the workers for a warehouse or business along the Opportunity Corridor from an X mile radius. Reality: Federal and state laws supersede the mayor's demands. Companies interested in hiring qualified workers will relocate to Independence or plenty of other sites with cheap land. Edit: After looking at the article, it seems the state is dialing back some of the required quotas - 20% minority share for job creation? How is that even enforceable or legal? And in a broader picture, have we gone away from using the best and brightest in job searches to filling positions based on quotas and demands? And why is the project offering WiFi? -- As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? I thought this was for construction jobs, not for businesses locating there. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not sure that quotas is the way to go on this either - I'd rather find competent, low cost bidders than companies that have no proven skill sets or projects to show.
April 6, 20169 yr If you've been south of Carnegie near University Circle or perusing Google Earth in recent months, you'll see that construction is well underway to widen East 105th Street between Carnegie and Quincy avenues (see July 2015 satellite image below). However the Streetviews still show views that pre-date construction. So I thought I'd document the "BEFORE" conditions before Google updates them and display them here.... The July 2015 construction progress satellite photo: OppCorr-East105-July3-2015 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Streetviews starting at Carnegie and working our way south to Quincy. Most of these are from August 2014: OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-3 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-4 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Carnegie-Aug2014-5 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2009-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2009-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-3 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-4 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-5 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-6 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-7 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-8 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-9 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-10 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-11 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-12 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-13 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-15 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-16 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-17 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-18 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-19 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-20 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-21 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-22 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr This bridge deck will soon be five lanes wide: OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-23 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Intersection of East 105th and Quincy avenues. Opportunity Corridor will proceed beyond Quincy and curve to the right before the elevated CSX rail line: OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-24 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-25 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Looking east on Quincy at East 105th, below the CSX overpass: OppCorr-Quincy-Sept2014-30 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Transit riders transferring between the Red Line and the East 105th bus: OppCorr-East105-Aug2014-26 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Sept. 2014: OppCorr-East105-Sept2014-27 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Sept2014-27 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr OppCorr-East105-Sept2014-28 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Opportunity Corridor will be on the other side of the GCRTA and NS rail lines, heading towards Buckeye, Woodland and Kinsman. View is looking south from Quincy just west of East 105th: OppCorr-Quincy-Sept2014-29 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr That's all folks! It's amazing how rural the majority of these street views look. Right in the middle of the city, too.
April 6, 20169 yr Plan: Let's force companies to hire a percentage of the workers for a warehouse or business along the Opportunity Corridor from an X mile radius. Reality: Federal and state laws supersede the mayor's demands. Companies interested in hiring qualified workers will relocate to Independence or plenty of other sites with cheap land. Edit: After looking at the article, it seems the state is dialing back some of the required quotas - 20% minority share for job creation? How is that even enforceable or legal? And in a broader picture, have we gone away from using the best and brightest in job searches to filling positions based on quotas and demands? And why is the project offering WiFi? -- As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? I thought this was for construction jobs, not for businesses locating there. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not sure that quotas is the way to go on this either - I'd rather find competent, low cost bidders than companies that have no proven skill sets or projects to show. Your point makes sense, but the city'still view is this: we are investing tax dollars into these projects so our tax paying residents should reap the benefits of the use of those dollars. That, on top of a historical underrepresentation of minority/female firms in the construction industry.
April 6, 20169 yr Plan: Let's force companies to hire a percentage of the workers for a warehouse or business along the Opportunity Corridor from an X mile radius. Reality: Federal and state laws supersede the mayor's demands. Companies interested in hiring qualified workers will relocate to Independence or plenty of other sites with cheap land. Edit: After looking at the article, it seems the state is dialing back some of the required quotas - 20% minority share for job creation? How is that even enforceable or legal? And in a broader picture, have we gone away from using the best and brightest in job searches to filling positions based on quotas and demands? And why is the project offering WiFi? -- As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? I thought this was for construction jobs, not for businesses locating there. I still think the OC should be called Garrett Morgan Parkway. I appreciate your sentiment, but it would insult the legacy of the legendary Mr. Morgan with this joke of a project. I'd prefer to call it: 'Kasich's Folly,' and at the E. 105 on-ramp/entrance, build a giant statue of a smiling John Kasich, with pistol in hand, shooting an Amtrak locomotive. This would be more apropos.
April 6, 20169 yr Plan: Let's force companies to hire a percentage of the workers for a warehouse or business along the Opportunity Corridor from an X mile radius. Reality: Federal and state laws supersede the mayor's demands. Companies interested in hiring qualified workers will relocate to Independence or plenty of other sites with cheap land. Edit: After looking at the article, it seems the state is dialing back some of the required quotas - 20% minority share for job creation? How is that even enforceable or legal? And in a broader picture, have we gone away from using the best and brightest in job searches to filling positions based on quotas and demands? And why is the project offering WiFi? -- As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? I thought this was for construction jobs, not for businesses locating there. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not sure that quotas is the way to go on this either - I'd rather find competent, low cost bidders than companies that have no proven skill sets or projects to show. Your point makes sense, but the city'still view is this: we are investing tax dollars into these projects so our tax paying residents should reap the benefits of the use of those dollars. That, on top of a historical underrepresentation of minority/female firms in the construction industry. I don't have a problem with a set aside for city residents on the construction itself, I have proposed similar for CERCLA exemption after all. But that's the state's project IIRC.
April 6, 20169 yr How about deleting all those photos from your quote? No need to see them all twice. :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20169 yr Opportunity Corridor has its share of business obstacles June 05, 2016 UPDATED 2 DAYS AGO By JAY MILLER In the same way that gardeners view a furrow ready for new plantings, civic leaders are hoping that the Opportunity Corridor, the $331 million roadway being tilled through Cleveland’s East Side, will prove fertile ground for new business development — as well as becoming a fast route between University Circle and the freeways to the west. But several existing businesses along the 3.5-mile route being plowed between East 55th Street and University Circle see the process damaging their roots, or worse. Some are being transplanted from familiar ground and the process may have killed a business that couldn’t be successfully transplanted. Property taking, called eminent domain, for road building on this scale hasn’t been undertaken in Cleveland in years. Unlike the rebuilding of the Inner Belt Bridge over the Cuyahoga River, which is using an existing right-of-way, the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT) expects to purchase more than 90 acres of land — all or parts of 379 parcels of land — to create what will become part of state Route 10. MORE: https://home.crainscleveland.com/clickshare/authenticateUserSubscription.do?CSProduct=crainscleveland-metered&CSAuthReq=1:173610640405686:AID:FCFD2DFED4E7D33EE978263BCC2E0B81&AID=/20160605/NEWS/160609903&title=Opportunity%20Corridor%20has%20its%20share%20of%20business%20obstacles&CSTargetURL=http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160605/NEWS/160609903/opportunity-corridor-has-its-share-of-business-obstacles#utm_medium=email&utm_source=ccl-weekly&utm_campaign=ccl-weekly-20160605 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20169 yr As a side note, I think the Opportunity Corridor will become part of Ohio State Route 10. Can anyone confirm this? Confirmed. I'm not sure that this includes the E105th portion, but definitely the 'new constitution' portion. How will that work? Will SR 10 follow I-90 east to I-490 from the Lorain Ave. exit? And does this mean that Lorain through Ohio City and the Lorain Carnegie Bridge will no longer receive state support?
July 5, 20168 yr Wow. I realize this is written by an intern who probably isn't getting paid, but really???? Regardless of the debate over whether or not this is a "highway", E. 55th street and Francis Avenue is not in an "outer ring suburb". From where are the cars originating? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 5, 20168 yr Wow. I realize this is written by an intern who probably isn't getting paid, but really???? Regardless of the debate over whether or not this is a "highway", E. 55th street and Francis Avenue is not in an "outer ring suburb". From where are the cars originating? Everywhere to the south and west, including all of Cleveland west of I-77.
July 5, 20168 yr Everywhere to the south and west, including all of Cleveland west of I-77. So, the outer-ring suburbs. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 5, 20168 yr Everywhere to the south and west, including all of Cleveland west of I-77. So, the outer-ring suburbs. Garfield Heights, West Park, Parma, the airport......anywhere off 480, 77, or 71.
July 5, 20168 yr First of all, we need to define what constitutes an "outer-ring" suburb. Second of all, have any studies been conducted on from where traffic will originate? I'd be shocked if this thing were being heavily used by residents of core neighborhoods/suburbs, but I hate the idea of this project to begin with so maybe I'm wrong.
July 5, 20168 yr Garfield Heights, West Park, Parma, the airport......anywhere off 480, 77, or 71. Nurses, orderlies, data processors etc in those communities don't have the political voice to get a road built. Clinic doctors and execs do. They live in the outer suburbs. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 5, 20168 yr This being a 2-way street, it will also serve a lot of vehicles originating in the UC/Heights area.
July 5, 20168 yr This being a 2-way street, it will also serve a lot of vehicles originating in the UC/Heights area. Not really sure about that one. And where would they be going, anyways? The airport? South Park Mall? IX Center? Another interesting data point will be to see when and in which directions this highway is at its busiest.
July 5, 20168 yr All of the above? Maybe Columbus, I don't know. Most of the country is south and west of here. Maybe they just want a shawarma and they heard about a place on 117th.
July 5, 20168 yr All of the above? Maybe Columbus, I don't know. Most of the country is south and west of here. Maybe they just want a shawarma and they heard about a place on 117th. Right, but for large chunks (if not all of the Heights area), there may be faster ways to get south and west. I'm not sure it's worth suggesting the OC will be an overall net gain for the Heights communities (not that you did that).
July 6, 20168 yr Garfield Heights, West Park, Parma, the airport......anywhere off 480, 77, or 71. Nurses, orderlies, data processors etc in those communities don't have the political voice to get a road built. Clinic doctors and execs do. They live in the outer suburbs. But will they use it?
July 6, 20168 yr Garfield Heights, West Park, Parma, the airport......anywhere off 480, 77, or 71. Nurses, orderlies, data processors etc in those communities don't have the political voice to get a road built. Clinic doctors and execs do. They live in the outer suburbs. You're missing the point Ken. E Rocc thinks Parma and West Park are outer suburbs. Funny how he didn't mention communities along I-90 considering it's a complete direct shot via I-490. Clevelanders crack me up sometimes, same old biases. :laugh:
July 6, 20168 yr Garfield Heights, West Park, Parma, the airport......anywhere off 480, 77, or 71. Nurses, orderlies, data processors etc in those communities don't have the political voice to get a road built. Clinic doctors and execs do. They live in the outer suburbs. You're missing the point Ken. E Rocc thinks Parma and West Park are outer suburbs. Not exactly. I even know WP isn't a suburb....
July 6, 20168 yr I live in Shaker Heights along S. Woodland. I plan to use the OC to get to Tremont and back more quickly via S Woodland/Buckeye. Taking Kinsman to 490 can be slow going.
July 6, 20168 yr Garfield Heights, West Park, Parma, the airport......anywhere off 480, 77, or 71. Nurses, orderlies, data processors etc in those communities don't have the political voice to get a road built. Clinic doctors and execs do. They live in the outer suburbs. You're missing the point Ken. E Rocc thinks Parma and West Park are outer suburbs. Not exactly. I even know WP isn't a suburb.... Right, I admit I was being a smart ss[/member] but you do mention I-480, I-77 and I-71 and not I-90. Yet the easiest access for the OC will be people living along I-90. But on UO we hold Lakewood, Rocky River and Westlake to a different standard than West Park and Parma even though plenty of folks in the former communities will drive on the OC too. It is what it is.
July 6, 20168 yr But on UO we hold Lakewood, Rocky River and Westlake to a different standard than West Park and Parma even though plenty of folks in the former communities will drive on the OC too. It is what it is. I certainly don't. In fact throwing those communities into the mix as those that will possibly benefit from this route makes me prone to oppose it even more. People in those suburbs (and the southwest suburbs) have made a conscious choice to live far away from one of the largest employment centers in the state yet now want the rest of us to subsidize a highway to make their commute easier and quicker. This thing costs a lot of money and it's not worth it, particularly when other transportation options currently in place are being severely underfunded, right?
July 6, 20168 yr Garfield Heights, West Park, Parma, the airport......anywhere off 480, 77, or 71. Nurses, orderlies, data processors etc in those communities don't have the political voice to get a road built. Clinic doctors and execs do. They live in the outer suburbs. You're missing the point Ken. E Rocc thinks Parma and West Park are outer suburbs. Not exactly. I even know WP isn't a suburb.... Right, I admit I was being a smart ss[/member] but you do mention I-480, I-77 and I-71 and not I-90. Yet the easiest access for the OC will be people living along I-90. But on UO we hold Lakewood, Rocky River and Westlake to a different standard than West Park and Parma even though plenty of folks in the former communities will drive on the OC too. It is what it is. I didn't mention 90 because the change in access is not as great, the OC will be slightly easier than MLK but not profoundly. I used to commute from Maple Heights to UC, the OC would have made a huge difference.
July 6, 20168 yr ^ Again you're only addressing one type of use by one type of person. And even then, if those commuters want dense mixed-use urban living, their choices are limited in the immediate UC area. That's not the fault of any road or freeway, that's bad planning policy on Cleveland's part and it has consequences. Forcing people to zig zag through a bunch of traffic lights solves nothing on the demand side. And believe it or not, lack of freeway access has been hurting demand in that area for a long time. Meanwhile most of Cleveland's gentrification is taking place right off of I-90.
July 6, 20168 yr Anyone who works in UC understands profoundly the traffic snarls presented by a lack of good roadway access. It is a constant back up on roads leading west out of UC, and MLK going towards I-90 is bumper-to-bumper. Most of these travelers aren't heading towards Midtown but to destinations south and west. That case was made pretty starkly in the original planning documents for the Opportunity Corridor.
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