Posted March 14, 200619 yr On the downtown site(s) and some of its issues: Parking is more than sufficient for arena Multiple events won't tax site, planner says By CHRISTOPHER D. KIRKPATRICK BLADE STAFF WRITER Downtown Toledo is parking rich and event poor. That's the word from consultants searching for a sports arena site. And it's one less thing to worry about for the $50 million to $70 million project, they say. To handle the worst-case scenario for one night - 10,000 at Fifth Third Field, 10,000 in a downtown arena, and 5,000 conventioneers at SeaGate Centre - would require 10,000 spaces within walking distance. Toledo has 19,992. Contact Christopher D. Kirkpatrick at: [email protected] or 419-724-6077. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060314/NEWS16/603140351/-1/RSS
March 16, 200619 yr From the 3/15/06 Toledo Blade: DEVELOPMENT CONTRACT Commissioners hire firm as arena consultant Describing the contract a much-needed first step, two Lucas County commissioners yesterday approved an agreement to begin development of a downtown arena. Commissioners Pete Gerken and Tina Skeldon Wozniak approved a contract with Gateway Consulting Group and Pizzuti/Garfield Traub LLC. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060315/NEWS16/603150342/-1/RSS
March 30, 200619 yr From the 3/29/06 Toledo Blade: TOLEDO HOCKEY New arena may drop Storm for other team By CHRISTOPHER D. KIRKPATRICK BLADE STAFF WRITER The Toledo Storm might have to pass the puck to another minor league hockey team as part of the new downtown arena project, say consultants studying where and if a new venue can be built and make money. Contact Christopher D. Kirkpatrick at: [email protected] or 419-724-6077. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060329/NEWS16/603290363/-1/rss
April 4, 200619 yr http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060404/NEWS16/604040370/-1/NEWS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published April 4, 2006 Finkbeiner fires Marina firm Developer may move its N.Y. hockey team to Toledo By CHRISTOPHER D. KIRKPATRICK BLADE STAFF WRITER Once a savior of East Toledo's Marina District, Pizzuti Cos. was fired yesterday by Mayor Carty Finkbeiner for missing a deadline. Contact Christopher D. Kirkpatrick at: [email protected]
April 7, 200619 yr From the 4/5/06 Toledo Blade: Team not planning to move to Toledo N.Y. hockey squad is independently owned By CHRISTOPHER D. KIRKPATRICK BLADE STAFF WRITER The American Hockey League's Syracuse, N.Y., Crunch said it has no intention of relocating to Toledo - even though the team is currently an affiliate of the NHL Columbus Blue Jackets and one of its owners has expressed interest in moving an AHL team to a new arena. Contact Christopher D. Kirkpatrick at: [email protected] or 419-724-6077. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060405/NEWS16/604050407/-1/NEWS
April 8, 200619 yr From the 4/7/06 Toledo Blade: 'THE EDITORS' Consultants cite spinoff potential of downtown arena A new arena might not have the same charm as Fifth Third Field, but it could draw even more economic development than the ballpark, consultants studying possible arena sites indicated yesterday. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060407/NEWS16/604070373/-1/NEWS
July 14, 200618 yr From the 7/14/06 Toledo Blade: Campus site recommended for basketball UT president advises trustees to deny downtown arena plan By JOSHUA BOAK and ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITERS University of Toledo President Lloyd Jacobs wants the men's basketball team to remain on campus, rather than play its games at the proposed arena in downtown Toledo. Dr. Jacobs, who became UT's president after the July 1 merger with the Medical University of Ohio, yesterday recommended to the UT board of trustees that the Rockets stay at a renovated Savage Hall. Sports writer John Harris contributed to this report. Contact Joshua Boak at: [email protected] or 419-724-6728. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060714/NEWS21/607140361/-1/RSS
July 29, 200618 yr http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060729/NEWS16/607290377/-1/NEWS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published July 29, 2006 Cost for downtown arena could go up to $82M By CHRISTOPHER D. KIRKPATRICK BLADE STAFF WRITER A downtown Toledo sports arena would have a price tag of up to $82 million and would be paid for with the help of tax credits and revenue-sharing agreements with parking lots and surrounding businesses that would profit from its construction. Contact Christopher D. Kirkpatrick at: [email protected] or 419-724-6077.
August 10, 200618 yr From the 8/9/06 Toledo Blade: GRAPHIC: New arena scores a site DOWNTOWN SPORTS VENUE Game plan for arena is launched Location, funding sources for $80M complex revealed By CHRISTOPHER D. KIRKPATRICK BLADE STAFF WRITER A game plan for building an $80 million sports and concert arena on Superior Street in downtown Toledo was to be unveiled today with a planned 2008 christening and all the sources of money identified. Contact Christopher D. Kirkpatrick at: [email protected] or 419-724-6077. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060809/NEWS16/608090454/-1/RSS
August 11, 200618 yr From the 8/10/06 Toledo Blade: SEEKING SYNERGY Mud Hens might buy hockey team; proposed arena would put multiple sports downtown By CHRISTOPHER D. KIRKPATRICK BLADE STAFF WRITER The Mud Hens are considering the purchase of the Toledo Storm minor-league hockey team or bringing in a new team as part of a downtown arena project that would consolidate Toledo professional sports into an entertainment district that would straddle the Warehouse District. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060810/NEWS16/608100365/-1/RSS10
August 25, 200618 yr From the 8/24/06 Toledo Blade: Hens get call to add hockey, arena football Lucas County officials praise team's management expertise By ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITER Hoping to emulate the financial success of the Toledo Mud Hens, Lucas County leaders plan to announce the baseball team's management as official agent for securing ice hockey and arena football franchises for a proposed downtown arena. Blade staff writer John Wagner contributed to this report. Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-724-6076. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060824/NEWS33/608240385/-1/NEWS From the 8/24/06 Toledo Free Press: Toledo-area hotel operators may challenge arena plan By Scott McKimmy Toledo Free Press Staff Writer [email protected] A proposal to raise Lucas County's hotel-motel tax as a major source of funding for the $80 million arena project has drawn criticism from opponents who say the increase will deal a blow to the local economy. http://toledofreepress.com/?id=3844
August 25, 200618 yr From the 8/25/06 Toledo Blade: Mud Hens plan to help find tenants for arena Although not quite ready to call a new downtown arena "a done deal," Lucas County commissioners announced yesterday that the Toledo Mud Hens organization was joining the arena project team to help find tenants for the proposed project. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060825/NEWS33/608250340/-1/NEWS
September 7, 200618 yr From the 9/6/06 Toledo Free Press: DEVELOPMENT Owens Corning possible arena sponsor By Justin R. Kalmes Toledo Free Press Metro Reporter [email protected] Owens Corning has been identified as a potential candidate for purchasing the $14 million naming rights for the proposed Downtown sports arena, a member of the business-labor committee responsible for negotiating the sale of the arena's corporate naming rights said Aug. 29. http://toledofreepress.com/?id=3910
September 9, 200618 yr From the 9/8/06 Toledo Blade: Lucas County Commissioners seek input on arena Still months away from learning if the main funding source for an arena will come through, Lucas County officials continue advancing plans to build it in downtown Toledo. The county commissioners yesterday announced a schedule of public meetings at which residents will be able to offer their visions for a new multipurpose arena. That revelation comes on the heels of the commissioners’ announcement that the Mud Hens’ management team will take the lead in negotiating with sports teams that could be tenants. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060908/NEWS33/60908057/-1/NEWS
September 28, 200618 yr I'm one post away from splitting this off and away from the Marina District stuff. From the 9/26/06 Toledo Blade: DOWNTOWN COMPLEX County officials give pitch for arena Business leaders urged to buy suites By ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITER Standing before windows that overlook Fifth Third Field, Lucas County commissioners yesterday encouraged members of the business community to pledge support for what they said will be another successful private-public sports complex. Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-724-6076. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/NEWS16/609260356/-1/NEWS
October 17, 200618 yr http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061017/NEWS09/610170349/-1/NEWS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published October 17, 2006 Voters lukewarm to downtown arena Hotel-motel tax would grow to 10% By JOSHUA BOAK BLADE STAFF WRITER Despite years of debate, voters have yet to view a downtown Toledo sports arena as a game-winning slapshot for Lucas County, according to a new Zogby International poll. Conducted for The Blade and WTVG-TV, Channel 13, the poll found a public split on increasing the county hotel-motel tax by two percentage points to finance half of the $80 million arena. Across the county, 47.9 percent favor the increase, while 43.7 percent oppose it. Among Toledo residents, 45.2 percent are against a tax hike for the arena and 44.7 percent are for it. And in both groups, about 60 percent of voters who consider themselves independent oppose the arena. Contact Joshua Boak at: [email protected] or 419-724-6728.
October 22, 200618 yr From the 10/20/06 Toledo Blade: PUBLIC MEETING Downtown arena seating, bed-tax hike draw critics Area residents, sports fans, and hotel-motel owners and operators last night criticized the plan to build a sports arena on Superior Street in downtown Toledo. Their comments were made at a public meeting at the Sanger branch of the Toledo-Lucas County Public Library. More than half of the projected cost of the almost $82 million project - $42.5 million - is slated to come from the Lucas County hotel-motel bed tax, said Pat Zohn, of Gateway Consulting, of Cleveland, which is developing plans for the proposed arena. Contact Joshua Boak at: [email protected] or 419-724-6728. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061014/NEWS09/610140343/-1/NEWS
November 9, 200618 yr From the 10/25/06 Toledo Blade: MEETING IN OREGON Commissioners advance plans for arena A proposed multipurpose arena in Toledo doesn't quite have funding in place or a permanent location chosen, but Lucas County commissioners continue to move forward on making it a reality. Commissioners agreed 2-1 to seek proposals for architectural services, construction management services, and facility management services for the multipurpose arena. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061025/NEWS18/610250380/-1/NEWS
December 13, 200618 yr Finally...this topic has been split from the Marina District thread. I made the split with articles occurring after March 14, 2006. This is the date in which an accord was reached to divide $7.5M originally intended for an East Toledo arena. Instead, $5.5M was targeted to an arena and $2M was set aside for the Marina District. This symbolically sealed the fate of any idea of an arena being a component of the Marina District project. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2004.msg84097#msg84097
December 23, 200618 yr From the 11/30/06 Toledo Blade: Multiple firms vie for work on downtown Toledo arena Lucas County received plenty of interest from companies that are vying to work on a proposed $82 million arena in downtown Toledo in the form of responses to the county's call for requests for qualifications. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061130/NEWS16/611300342/-1/NEWS
December 23, 200618 yr From the 12/5/06 Toledo Blade: 17 advisers named to help design arena Lucas County panel includes NBA's Jackson as athletes' voice An advisory committee was named yesterday to help guide the design of the new Lucas County arena. The committee, which includes professional athlete Jim Jackson, is modeled on the committee that helped produce Fifth Third Field, said Tina Skeldon Wozniak, president of the Lucas County commissioners. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/NEWS33/612050334/-1/NEWS
December 23, 200618 yr From the 12/12/06 Blade: 25% increase in hotel tax is expected Bill would let Lucas County implement hike By JIM PROVANCE BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU COLUMBUS - Despite protests from the lodging industry, visitors to Lucas County hotels and motels could be charged another 2 percentage points in taxes to pay for a downtown Toledo arena and expanded convention center. The full House is expected to consider today a $1.8 billion capital budget bill, a wish list of bricks-and-mortar and equipment projects across the state that would, among numerous other things, authorize the county commissioners to raise the local hotel tax from 8 percent to 10 percent. Contact Jim Provance at: [email protected] or 614-221-0496. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061212/NEWS33/612120397/-1/NEWS
December 23, 200618 yr From the 12/14/06 Blade: Hotels ask Senate to reject Lucas Co. tax for new arena By JIM PROVANCE BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU COLUMBUS — The hotel industry yesterday urged Ohio senators not to place the burden of funding construction of a downtown Toledo arena and expanded convention center on the backs of one industry. Contact Jim Provance at: [email protected] or 614-221-0496. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061214/NEWS33/61214003/-1/NEWS
March 15, 200718 yr From the 1/17/07 Toledo Blade: County to boost hotel tax today for arena project $80M facility planned downtown By ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITER Lucas County commissioners said they will approve a 2 percentage-point increase in the local hotel-motel tax today, putting in place the funding mechanism necessary to build a new arena downtown. Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-724-6076. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070117/NEWS33/701170381/-1/NEWS
March 15, 200718 yr From the 1/18/07 Blade: LUCAS COUNTY Hotel-motel tax going up to 10% to fund arena By ERICA BLAKE BLADE SATFF WRITER Lucas County commissioners yesterday put in motion the funding necessary to build a multipurpose arena - leaving them with the responsibility of building it and then filling it. Commissioners voted unanimously to raise the county's hotel-motel tax by 2 percentage-points. The increase, which will take effect March 1, raises the tax from 8 percent to 10 percent and will help fund more than half of the approximately $80 million project. Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-724-6076. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070118/NEWS33/701180349/-1/NEWS
March 15, 200718 yr From the 1/25/07 Blade: Demolition work for arena likely to begin in summer By ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITER Demolition to make room for a new multipurpose arena in downtown Toledo could start as early as summer to ensure the facility is open by fall 2009, Lucas County officials said yesterday. Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-724-6076. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070125/NEWS16/701250338/-1/NEWS
March 15, 200718 yr From the 1/26/07 Blade: Finkbeiner warns county about firm Mayor concerned about arena project By ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITER Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, in a letter to the Lucas County commissioners, cautioned the county against entering into a contract with the lead architecture firm chosen to design the new multipurpose arena. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070126/NEWS16/701260361/-1/NEWS
March 15, 200718 yr From the 2/14/07 Blade: Hiring consultant moves arena ahead Lucas County commissioners hired a consultant yesterday at a cost of up to $65,000 to negotiate contracts for the companies hired to design and construct a new multi-purpose arena. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070214/NEWS16/702140376/-1/RSS10
March 15, 200718 yr From the 2/15/07 Blade: Lucas County to ask city to vacate arena site Part of Frogtown Alley, Superior Street sought By ERICA BLAKE BLADE STAFF WRITER Before Lucas County officials can build a multipurpose arena in downtown Toledo, they know they have to have the land. As part of the aggressive time- line to have an arena built and operating by the fall of 2009, county commissioners plan to submit an application to Toledo officials today asking for the city to vacate a portion of Superior Street and Frogtown Alley. Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-724-6076. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070215/NEWS16/702150353/-1/RSS10
May 18, 200718 yr no more club bijou/underground? i wonder which overpriced venue with lousy bands will fill the void???
June 24, 200717 yr Does anyone know if theyll move club Bijou to a different location downtown or is it permenatly closed..That was one of the few hot spots downtown.
July 2, 200717 yr From the 6/14/07 Blade: VIEW ARENA * Arena PowerPoint presentation Toledo residents offer arena input Ideas could find way into design, county official says John Gage of Perrysburg wants to see Toledo's strong hockey history represented in the new downtown sports arena. Mary Chris Skeldon wants the arena to offer healthier food options, including ethnic dishes. Amber Hawkins wants world-renowned entertainment acts like Alicia Keys or Earth, Wind & Fire to perform at the arena. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070614/NEWS16/706140416/-1/RSS10
July 2, 200717 yr From the 6/19/07 Blade: PHOTO: While no official date has been set for the demolition of the more than 60-year-old Sports Arena, Joe Zunk of the Lathrop Co., the project manger, said he expected demolition to start early next month. However, he said initial work, such as getting permits, could start as soon as Monday. Demolition to clear the way for the new arena could begin in mid-July, early August. ( THE BLADE ) County picks demolition contractor for Toledo Sports Arena Cleveland firm is expected to make way for new arena By LAREN WEBER BLADE STAFF WRITER A Cleveland firm is expected to be hired for the demolition of the Toledo Sports Arena on the city’s east side and the seven downtown buildings recently purchased by Lucas County to make way for the new multipurpose arena. The county commissioners will award the $448,700 demolition and abatement contracts to B&B Wrecking & Excavating Inc. at their meeting this morning. Contact Laren Weber at: [email protected] or 419-724-6050. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/NEWS16/70619041/-1/RSS
July 2, 200717 yr From the 6/20/07 Blade: DEMOLITION CONTRACTS Toledo Sports Arena-razing firm under fire from city Minority role in other pact questioned By TOM TROY BLADE STAFF WRITER The demolition contractor hired by Lucas County yesterday to tear down the Toledo Sports Arena is in hot water with the city of Toledo over his alleged effort to mislead the city about minority subcontracting. Blade Staff Writer Laren Weber contributed to this report. Contact Tom Troy at: [email protected] or 419-724-6058. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070620/NEWS16/706200392/-1/RSS
July 2, 200717 yr Link contains a photo. From the 6/29/07 Blade: July 23 newest date for razing Toledo Sports Arena By MAGGIE REID BLADE STAFF WRITER The wrecking ball set to demolish the Toledo Sports Arena seems to have lost a little momentum as it prepares to bring down the local landmark. The demolition date for the arena, previously set for July 9, was pushed back yesterday to July 23 at the request of the contractor. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070629/NEWS16/706290358/-1/RSS10
July 10, 200717 yr From the 7/9/07 Blade: Permanent closing set for Superior St. block Superior Street between Madison and Jefferson avenues in downtown Toledo will close permanently today as part of changes being made as work progresses on the new arena project. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070709/NEWS11/70709013/-1/NEWS
July 17, 200717 yr From the 7/16/07 Blade: Downtown arena to focus on green Commissioners see energy savings need By LAREN WEBER BLADE STAFF WRITER Rising energy costs are driving the nationwide trend to build "green," and the Lucas County commissioners have joined the effort to build anenvironmentally friendly multipurpose arena. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070716/NEWS16/707160327/-1/RSS10
July 27, 200717 yr Demolition set to start Aug. 8 on Sports Arena July 27, 2007 | TOLEDO BLADE TOLEDO - Demolition of the Toledo Sports Arena begins Aug. 8, but no one is sure when the first wall will come tumbling down.
September 12, 200717 yr http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070911/NEWS16/709110350/-1/NEWS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published September 11, 2007 Redesign helps new Toledo arena mesh with its surroundings By JOE VARDON BLADE STAFF WRITER The Lucas County commissioners unveiled fresh drawings of the new downtown arena yesterday which showed a spectacular collaboration of glass, brick, and concrete surrounded by public gathering spots lined with trees. Contact Joe Vardon at: [email protected] or 419-410-5055.
September 12, 200717 yr A little bland (compared to other small city arenas going up, like Tulsa's) but it's way better than the old Sports Arena (which is Hara Arena's [Trotwood] twin brother). Good for Toledo! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 14, 200717 yr Way better than what was there, and a welcome addition to downtown, but I'm disappointed there isn't something more twenty-first century - something like Sprint Arena in KC, or like the previous poster said, the new Tulsa arena. The Toledo proposal looks like something that would be built in indiana - and I don't mean that as a compliment! --Former Hoosier
September 14, 200717 yr good call -- while kc sprint and tulsa are are interesting and even eye-opening, this one is 100% safe and boring as hell. oh sure its nice, but its yet another disappointing blown opportunity in ohio architecture (and i am still grinding my teeth over the cuyahoga county building debacle).
December 8, 200717 yr Downtown arena stays on track as planners give OK By IGNAZIO MESSINA BLADE STAFF WRITER The new multipurpose arena in downtown Toledo got another nod of approval yesterday - this one from the Toledo-Lucas County Plan Commissions. The five-member commission unanimously approved a downtown overlay review for the arena and a major site plan review. Contact Ignazio Messina at: [email protected] or 419-724-6171. http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071207/NEWS16/712060376
January 21, 200817 yr I don't think you need to look as far as Grand Rapids, MI to see that it will help. Just look at the development that has been spurred by the Mud Hens new digs, 5th/3rd Field. With the facilities close to eachother, hockey will help businesses through the winter months when the Hens aren't playing. Concerts held year round will also provide a bigger boost in the summer as well. Anything is better than the old Toledo Sports Arena.....that place was a heap and also on the east side of the river. Having the new complex downtown will help the city quite a bit.
January 21, 200817 yr The good thing about arenas, as opposed to ballparks, is that they are versatile and will host a slew of events. Baseball has lots of games, but the non-season time offers very little in terms of activity around the venue. Arenas, on the other hand, offer much more diversity and the ability to attract a consistent flow of people into the city.
February 25, 200817 yr Great photo update on the arena construction site. Keep it coming. I just viewed the Arena PowerPoint presentation posted earlier. Very impressed with its layout. Appreciated the choice of this site and showing its relationship to the Mud Hens ballpark and the convention center. Its interesting that Toledo is building the ballpark first and following it up with the arena. Columbus did the arena first and is now building the Clippers ballpark. Toledo's site locations of the convention center, ballpark and the arena will be similar to the Arena District in Columbus and its proximity to our Convention Center. Only Toledo's venue proximity is even better. Hope this goes well for Toledo. If it does, you'll have a ballpark, arena and convention center to support and feed off each other and hopefully spin-off surrounding renovation and development. Having an arena and convention center within walking distance of each other is a big plus. In Columbus, there are many events that use both the convention center and the Nationwide Arena. The upcoming Arnold Classic is one example. Also, I have to say that I like the new design of the arena. It may be looked at as a "safe" design. But a contextual design is called for at this location. You've got attractive older urban buildings in this area. This arena design respects this context but still looks attractive on its own. Anyway, good luck and keep us updated on its process.
May 15, 200817 yr It's about time Toledo actually built an arena. Looks good. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 15, 200817 yr I was comparing it to the Sports Arena across the river. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 18, 200816 yr It looks good. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
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