YES. One thing Cleveland sorely lacks. I see PITT, UC, OSU, etc. and you start to realize what kind of an impact the institutions have on their cities. This kind of growth model has been well-documented and successful. Look at what UC has been doing.. that is the kind of institution that can really start to generate new faces around this cities urban population.

 

And the crazy thing about CSU is their location. UC has a bug impact and there is a decent distance between the college and downtown. CSU is literally downtown. Hopefully they continue to grow and we see the benefit that the school can bring.

I'm going off on a limb here,

 

but how about building a mixed-use stadium connecting the parcels between W. 6th, W. St. Clair, W. 3rd, and W. Superior for CSU, St. Ignatius, Glenville, and maybe St. Ed's to play their soccer, football, lacrosse, etc. games in? Underneath the bleacher space have 2-3 stories of commercial&restaurants on the street level with residential on the 2nd/3rd floors, in the unique brick-faced architecture of the warehouse district. The field could be covered or left open. In the corners, residential units, or towers, could have windows facing both the streets and the field, creating remarkable opportunities for developers. I worry the space is too small for more than 10,000 seats. But I believe Cleveland's zoning and such would be willing to accommodate such an investment in traffic & capital investment downtown. Particularly, combining the resources of Ignatius's, CSU's, Glenville's and Ed's(?) alumni with the resources of developers for the space beneath/around seems truly dynamic.

thoughts?

I wonder what the plans are for 1836 Euclid Ave?  It's listed in the 2011-2014 master plan.  I'm hoping and guessing residental!

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=1836+euclid+ave&wrapid=tlif129589553857710&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=1836+Euclid+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44115&gl=us&ei=_cs9TYvsMobqgQfGv_GGCQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA

 

 

 

I hope they end up keeping this building and tying it into the new development. 

 

http://tinyurl.com/4l792kh

 

I'm going off on a limb here,

 

but how about building a mixed-use stadium connecting the parcels between W. 6th, W. St. Clair, W. 3rd, and W. Superior for CSU, St. Ignatius, Glenville, and maybe St. Ed's to play their soccer, football, lacrosse, etc. games in? Underneath the bleacher space have 2-3 stories of commercial&restaurants on the street level with residential on the 2nd/3rd floors, in the unique brick-faced architecture of the warehouse district. The field could be covered or left open. In the corners, residential units, or towers, could have windows facing both the streets and the field, creating remarkable opportunities for developers. I worry the space is too small for more than 10,000 seats. But I believe Cleveland's zoning and such would be willing to accommodate such an investment in traffic & capital investment downtown. Particularly, combining the resources of Ignatius's, CSU's, Glenville's and Ed's(?) alumni with the resources of developers for the space beneath/around seems truly dynamic.

thoughts?

 

Short limb.

 

Why in the world would Glenville, Iggy or Ed's play downtown?

Iggy and Glenville have new/newer stadiums and Ed's, if i'm not mistaken is in an agreement with Lakewood as they helped finance their new stadium.

 

Secondly, I think, that is an absolutely ridiculous place for a stadium.

 

Those ideas and establishments should be located in/near the current stadiums since football is a source of neighborhood pride and many of those stadiums are used in spring for Track, (and in some cases lacross) which in the last 20 years has been strong in NE Ohio.

 

With neighborhood rivalry's being big here, stadiums often fill up for track meets these days.

I dont think they would all play every game, but think of it as a showcase. UC does it with St. X, Moeller, etc. Every friday they showcase a High School Game. Of course they don't sell out but it draws a nice family crowd and the people look forward to watching their kids play in such a venue.

 

Maybe there is a better place for that kind of conversation though..

If anywhere it would probably have to be on the CSU campus

Thanks for the input.

Byers field is an hour away from Ignatius students that live in Mentor, Vermillion, etc.

Ignatius has always been interested in its own station, with alumni offering donations for one, but the question was always where to put it. Maybe somewhere closer to CSU would be better for such a stadium, I just felt that space (if mixed-use) were incorporated into it it could bring some life into those hideous parking lots on downtown's west side. Glenville became a part of the idea because it's really CMSD's football team, and they play games generally on Friday nights, whereas college football plays Saturday during the day and Ignatius tends to play on Saturday at night.

 

Apparently you can tour the Doan Electric Building if you call and set up an appointment. It would be interesting to get pictures of the inside.

 

Here are the numbers

216-687-5423 or 216-687-5121

Vikings football would have a perfect venue right on the lakefront.  There is a stadium there that cost $400 million and only gets used 10 days a year, and hopefully a few more in the coming years (and I'm talking Holmgren playoff appearances--not adding regular season NFL games!).

 

Another 10 college game schedule would definitely help justify it's existence!

^ Yes. That.

Does anyone know anything about 1836 Euclid Ave?? I'm really curious about this piece of the puzzle, and I don't really want to talk Vikings Football...

 

I wonder what the plans are for 1836 Euclid Ave?  It's listed in the 2011-2014 master plan.  I'm hoping and guessing residental!

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=1836+euclid+ave&wrapid=tlif129589553857710&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=1836+Euclid+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44115&gl=us&ei=_cs9TYvsMobqgQfGv_GGCQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA

 

 

 

The Union Building

 

The state awarded nearly $3.3 million in credits to Liberty Development Co. of Westlake, which has a contract to buy the largely vacant property at 1836 Euclid Ave. from developer Gordon Priemer.

 

Liberty envisions an $18 million project, with 71,000 square feet of updated offices, 6,000 square feet of retail and indoor parking in the two connected buildings. Construction could start in the fall, and renovations would take a year.

 

"We think that there are a few areas in Cleveland that are very dynamic. This is one of them," Liberty President Tom Kuluris said, pointing out the building's proximity to Cleveland State University.

 

Kuluris would not identify his potential tenants.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/06/four_northeast_ohio_projects_i.html

Am I the only one who can't figure out how to view the new Master Plan?

Am I the only one who can't figure out how to view the new Master Plan?

 

It's powerpoint

You have any program that runs powerpoint?

Thanks.  Too bad it can't be residental..

 

The Union Building

 

The state awarded nearly $3.3 million in credits to Liberty Development Co. of Westlake, which has a contract to buy the largely vacant property at 1836 Euclid Ave. from developer Gordon Priemer.

 

Liberty envisions an $18 million project, with 71,000 square feet of updated offices, 6,000 square feet of retail and indoor parking in the two connected buildings. Construction could start in the fall, and renovations would take a year.

 

"We think that there are a few areas in Cleveland that are very dynamic. This is one of them," Liberty President Tom Kuluris said, pointing out the building's proximity to Cleveland State University.

 

Kuluris would not identify his potential tenants.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/06/four_northeast_ohio_projects_i.html

For those of you who can't view it, these were the items listed:

 

 

Planned Campus Development 2011-2014:

 

North Campus Neighborhood

Mather Mansion Boutique Hotel

1836 Euclid Building

Global Sustainable Center

Allen Theater

Dodge Building

Cowell & Hubbard Building

Idea Center

Basketball Pavilion

Pedestrian Bridge

This is what used to be where Viking Hall stands now

 

 

The building on the right looks familiar :lol: Hopefully it stays alive

 

^one more from your link:

 

^ Thanks. It clearly shows that viking hall out does this building any day, what great vision  :roll:

 

Should we thank Holiday Inn for the beutiful gift?

And I mean a conversion from a hotel to Student Dorms/Apartments must have been impossible...

More like clearly a New Amsterdam Hotel couldnt be converted into a holiday inn. It had too much character and historical content. The only option was to knock it down and build an ugly characterless building for a hotel that would go out of business that then a college(like CSU) could buy up and renovate into dorms for the time being and then eventually close. It was clearly the only option and im glad the planners/developers where smart enough at the time to realize it. God bless their souls!

 

:roll:

ClevelandOhio is correct. Viking Hall was originally a Holiday Inn.

My sister stayed there as a student. There was a bullet hole in her window.

What is the building going up in the background of the last pic?

That's Rhodes Tower on it's way up.

Looks like CSU...Rhodes Tower etc.

Don't expect the building that is next to Viking hall to stand for too much longer.  Heard a bad rumor.

OK can see that now--view is North on E22nd. 

 

It is indeed a shame that the Holiday Inn took the place of that magnificent building!

I really dont want to see that building go. Any one know the year it was built. Does it have a name? Anyways the only way I can somewhat be okay with the decision to demolish it is if they planed on demolishing the whole lot, so that includes peobodys and rascal house to give them a full lot to work with.

 

It sucks because in old designs you see them integrating the building quite nicely and thats what I was hoping for.

It would be nice to see more of this take place

 

Don't expect the building that is next to Viking hall to stand for too much longer. Heard a bad rumor.

 

Which building? The one south of Viking on East 22nd? So what's the rumor?

KJP, I beleve both of us are talking about the White building on the south side of Euclid next to Rascal House. You can see it in this old rendering

 

Here is the old college town plan

 

UPDATE on old master plan

 

www.csuohio.edu/offices/architect/MP_MASTER.pptx

 

Mather Boutique Hotel?

Global Sustainable Center? Rendering included

 

Sounds interesting. My favorite part is the pedestrian bridge and parking deck roof conversion to park in the main plaza in the center of the campus.

 

I just get a file folder with tons of .xml files. I have powerpoint on my computer. Anyone know how I can access this??

Rename the .zip to .pptx

^But those look like two nearly full blocks! Where will all the recruiters from Eaton and Progressive park when trying to recruit new college graduates???

^But those look like two nearly full blocks! Where will all the recruiters from Eaton and Progressive park when trying to recruit new college graduates???

 

Very good!

I really dont want to see that building go. Any one know the year it was built. Does it have a name? Anyways the only way I can somewhat be okay with the decision to demolish it is if they planed on demolishing the whole lot, so that includes peobodys and rascal house to give them a full lot to work with.

 

If you look at the plan, that appears to be what is going to happen.  That's going to be the "Global Sustainable Center".

That's the height of irony

That used to be the Cooper School of Art building, before CSU took it over. My dad went there :) and it would be insane to demolish! Plus, with peabody's and rascal house, and viking hall. All of that would go to make room for this "global sustainable center"... and you are right. Height of irony indeed. We better start making noise about this now before it is too far gone to change minds. Who do we contact to respond to this? I am quite concerned.

Thats really the only building on the lot im concerned about

Why not contact the President's office. Or better yet, contact the Maxine Goodman Levine College of Urban Affairs and try to team up with them to save the building.

does anyone have additional information on the building?

It's a great building.  Had a Kinkos in it for a long time- that's my only additional information. I'd hate to see it get knocked down.  Even for a "Global Sustainable Center",  which is a total trainwreck of a name, even as a placeholder.  Up there with "new urbansim" in irony value.  And I love the useless corner plaza it has in the master plan, and the nice suburban curve they put in East 21st street. 

 

The construction program is pretty exciting, but there's still some room for improvement in their master planning, IMHO.

 

By the way, is the front lawn in front of the new student center supposed to be an expression of the "green ribbon"?  Ugh.

Here is a better link for the master plan from Freshwater Cleveland:

http://www.csuohio.edu/offices/architect/masterplan.pdf

 

^ that's the old one

Have always maintained that a Division I football program and 30,000 kids living in dorms/housing in downtown Cleveland would change this town forever.    We need to keep growing CSU and change it's history as a commuter school.

 

Whoa, 30,000?  I mean, sure, I agree with your statement but that's a TON.  5,000 would be amazing.  CSU only has 17,000 students.

Have always maintained that a Division I football program and 30,000 kids living in dorms/housing in downtown Cleveland would change this town forever.    We need to keep growing CSU and change it's history as a commuter school.

 

Whoa, 30,000?  I mean, sure, I agree with your statement but that's a TON.  5,000 would be amazing.  CSU only has 17,000 students.

 

You have to factor in those ones that never graduate, but also never leave.... ;)

 

Wishful thinking perhaps, but the concept would definitely change this town.  If you look at any larger market with a residential campus in it's core there is definitely a different energy.  It also helps sell the city to the graduates, who come out after four years of college wanting to keep their surroundings familiar.

 

So yes, we'd take 5,000 for now....with the ultimate goal being something more.

 

 

Well, I would say that 5,000 seems achievable in the mid-term. After Euclid Commons is complete, residence hall numbers between Euclid Commons, Fenn Tower and Heritage Hall will be around 1,200. Add in an almost fully occupied Walker & Weeks, University Studios, 1900 Euclid and a smattering at University Apartments and Tower Press, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're talking about a base of 1,400. 3,600 to go :)

 

As any of us CSU alums can attest, though, it's amazing how much just Fenn and the first segment of Euclid Commons have changed the campus dynamic. I graduated in 2005, and it just seems like an absolutely different campus now ... And it's great to see that change starting to spill out into eating options and a teeny bit of retail.