September 26, 201113 yr Are you in a situation where you're on campus multiple times a week? Yes I actually attend CSU for grad school three days a week so I know exactly what the situation is like. I usually take public transportation but will occasionally drive when it is raining or I am lazy. When I drive and have trouble finding a spot it does not bother me in the least. CSU is great because of its proximity to downtown and along with that comes limited parking and I am ok with that. My first on-topic response to this was deleted in the purge, so I'll throw this out there again. Cleveland State's proximity to downtown is indeed a huge advantage. That said, there isn't really a space crunch in this city, so there's really no reason why CSU's location must also dictate that parking be a problem. I posted this question earlier, but it also got lost in the shuffle: The new development on Chester is supposed to have a parking garage. Is that parking garage going to be open to students and faculty, or just residents/patrons of the new development?
September 26, 201113 yr Kind of a random thought (which I'd bet others here have had as well), but as the greater CSU area continues to fill in with new campus buildings and related spin-off, I hope the University considers building on the halo of lawns and surface parking that surrounds the Wolstein Center. Would be much better, IMHO, than demoing what's left of the commercial strip on Prospect. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Central,+Cleveland,+OH&hl=en&ll=41.499297,-81.675904&spn=0.004926,0.013078&sll=40.74101,-73.879554&sspn=0.002589,0.006539&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=17
September 26, 201113 yr If it's in their development masterplan, they probably will do that. If it's not, then it's probably going to be an uphill battle. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 26, 201113 yr It's in their development master plan. Demoing the buildings along Prospect is not. Why was it brought up?
September 26, 201113 yr Was just a random thought inspired by my loathing of Wolstein's site plan. The last thing I mean to do is start any rumors about imminent demo on prospect. The most recent campus master plan doc I've seen is the October 2010 presentation which shows a new basketball pavilion tacked onto the SE corner of Wolstein, but otherwise leaves the open space halo intact, including along Prospect. I think the 2004 plan (which has changed a lot since then) may have shown something built on the north side, but that seems to have dropped off in the update.
September 26, 201113 yr Was just a random thought inspired by my loathing of Wolstein's site plan. The last thing I mean to do is start any rumors about imminent demo on prospect. The most recent campus master plan doc I've seen is the October 2010 presentation which shows a new basketball pavilion tacked onto the SE corner of Wolstein, but otherwise leaves the open space halo intact, including along Prospect. I think the 2004 plan (which has changed a lot since then) may have shown something built on the north side, but that seems to have dropped off in the update. What type of development would you suggest for the halo around the Wolstein Center?
September 26, 201113 yr Not sure any one building type is better suited than another. For reference, it looks as though a building the size of the administration building or the Levin school would fit on the NE corner plaza/lawn without any problem. Access to the NE entry of the Wolstein Center could be preserved in the ground floor. Wouldn't be too different from the Cavs' team offices on the NW corner of the Q, really. Alternatively, you might be able to cram a small parking deck in some of that halo, ideally with some ground floor retail. Heck, you could even plop some more campus housing on the NE corner someday. The Wolstein Center is the Cole Eye institute of downtown the way it wastes so much acreage.
September 27, 201113 yr All great ideas. You'd think they might focus in that direction, to get it done sooner rather than later, since they already tore down buildings just to make a path to it. Cause that's the problem in Cleveland... too many buildings, not enough holes.
September 27, 201113 yr I think Straphanger is thinking of is making Wolstein more like the Verizon Center in DC. You hardly know you are walking past anything other than a normal block of town. No 50 foot treelawns here.
September 27, 201113 yr Could be interesting. But if they were going to spend money, Id rather have them do it on several other things they have on there masterplan! A little outdated http://www.csuohio.edu/offices/architect/projects/northcampus/MP.pdf
September 27, 201113 yr ^Just to be clear, I'm not advocating CSU that spend money for the sake of filling that space. I'm just pointing out at that CSU effectively has additional capacity on land it already owns, so down the line (beyond the horizon of the master plan), I hope they explore these types of options before additional acquisition and demo.
September 27, 201113 yr ^Just to be clear, I'm not advocating CSU that spend money for the sake of filling that space. I'm just pointing out at that CSU effectively has additional capacity on land it already owns, so down the line (beyond the horizon of the master plan), I hope they explore these types of options before additional acquisition and demo. I know! Great idea. Would take some creativity. And yes, please fill that in before any other avoidable demolitions.
September 28, 201113 yr ^Just to be clear, I'm not advocating CSU that spend money for the sake of filling that space. I'm just pointing out at that CSU effectively has additional capacity on land it already owns, so down the line (beyond the horizon of the master plan), I hope they explore these types of options before additional acquisition and demo. I really hope they didn't do that demo just for basketball access. If campus isn't going to grow in that direction for another decade or so, I would have preferred to keep the restaurant space, along with the intact streetscape. And this isn't a spilt milk issue, since there's another building about to go-- a nice one-- and the plan for that site isn't entirely clear. For all that CSU has added to Euclid recently, the price is becoming an issue. They're not really building it up. They're just shifting around the same amount of empty space, while removing all the history.
September 30, 201113 yr Could CSU have handled this differently, maybe, but I bet that as with any privately financed project the start date was a moving target. Once CSU knew that shovels would hit dirt they made the announcement. Say something too soon and people forget. There are still plenty of places to park if you know where to look. As I suspected could happen, the date for the reduction in spaces has been pushed back to October 20th.
September 30, 201113 yr Had to be down at CSU today at 1:00 PM. My parking situation was perfect for this thread. At 12:32 I attempted to park at the West Garage but it was full so I headed towards the South Garage. I was parked by 12:39 PM. I walked from the garage and arrived at my destination at 12:47 pm with 13 minutes to spare. I parked on the second level which was pretty empty. The top was completely empty. Exactly! I went to school down south as well and couldn't even park within a mile of my school. Like so many other things here, it's not so bad. I don't understand the negativity about everything here, but I think it stems from not really experiencing anywhere else in this country. It doesn't hurt anyone to walk a little. Walking from one side of downtown to another takes 15 minutes. I'm all for more people on campus. I am currently the TA for an Intro to Urban Studies class at CSU. This past week they had an assignment where they had to talk about the push and pull factors influencing their decision to come to CSU. It was incredible the number of people in this class that complained about the commute and how difficult it is to get a parking spot. The entire time grading I was thinking of this message board and ClevelandOhio's brilliant case study. My freshman year in Miami, they had to cover over 2 of our green areas with gravel to account for the number of commuters, and even with that there was no parking. Not to mention, in Miami parking spots are 6/7 of the size of Cleveland's spots, so you guys don't have the "friendly parking car scrape" to deal with (I barely have any paint left on my car from the number of cars that hit mine while parking)..
September 30, 201113 yr Ok so my post didn't show up :)...I went to school down south as well and couldn't park within a mile of my school. It's just something you learn to deal with like every other large city or popular neighborhood. If parking is never available in one garage, why bother? You are setting yourself up for failure and wasting time. It only takes 20 minutes (I've timed it) to walk from any one side on downtown to another. Like so many other things in Cleveland, we have it good. I think people need to travel more to see what else is really out there.
October 3, 201113 yr No pictures posted on the Planning Commission's site yet..... CLEVELAND CITY PLANNING COMMISSION Draft Agenda for October 7, 2011 DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW DF2011-037: CSU North Campus Neighborhood Project Project Location: Chester Avenue between E. 21st and E. 24th Streets Project Representatives: Robert Martinson, Buckingham Companies Ed Schmittgen, Cleveland State Univ. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2011/10072011/index.php#gallery "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 201113 yr Some of you lamented the lack of current detail on the North Campus plan, or needing more development stuff to discuss, right? Well, here ya go...... I suspect more images may be posted at: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2011/10072011/index.php#gallery "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 201113 yr No, but there are 32 pics of a renovation of a Burger King. I'll never understand why they post what they do, and not other things.
October 6, 201113 yr Not yet..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 201113 yr Sure does seem like an awful lot of surface parking for an urban campus... At least the buildings are on the street.
October 6, 201113 yr I like that the one building will now be on East 21st instead of set backed. This does make it look like more parking than the original plan but As long as it is hidden its not so bad. Also, if the time ever comes, they could easily build another 3 buildings, one on each of those lots.
October 6, 201113 yr I feel like 1 or 2 small garages would provide a bit more room for another development, even if it's just an open grassy area...
October 6, 201113 yr Also by looking at those site plans, it appears the three buildings on the far left will be the first three to be built. This will make a huge difference though! http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.504865,-81.674745&spn=0.00417,0.009645&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=6
October 7, 201113 yr I like that the one building will now be on East 21st instead of set backed. This does make it look like more parking than the original plan but As long as it is hidden its not so bad. Also, if the time ever comes, they could easily build another 3 buildings, one on each of those lots. I like it too. If you're going to have surface parking, this is the way to do it. Maximum street presence for the buildings with parking losses minimized. As much as I want it developed like Manhattan, Chester is still a major commuter route and a key exit from the innerbelt. They've done a really nice job with this arrangement, serving conflicting needs while leaving a clear path for growth.
October 7, 201113 yr I am glad to see this development stretching northward now. I lived on campus, so parking was never a problem for me. I would park in the garage that was right by the Inner Belt. That garage filled up quickly real early. Sorry if it is already in the thread, but does anyone know when/if this will start construction? I'm looking forward to visiting CSU again, when I left they had just started construction of the dorms on Euclid, and I never got to see the new student center.
October 7, 201113 yr I was at CSU in the early/mid 1990s, in what I would call the peak of the commuter school days. So nice to see all the housing going up around the campus and hopefully someday they won't need all those lots any longer! Division I football baby! I am convinced CSU needs to take this step! Let's get 40,000 kids living and spending mom and dad's money in Downtown Cleveland!
October 8, 201113 yr I asked this earlier but didn't get an answer: does anyone know if the parking lots/garage in the new development is going to be limited to residents/patrons, or also open to commuting students?
October 8, 201113 yr I asked this earlier but didn't get an answer: does anyone know if the parking lots/garage in the new development is going to be limited to residents/patrons, or also open to commuting students? Dont think that information is out right yet.
October 12, 201113 yr Plans to build a $50 million apartment complex at Cleveland State University moved ahead Monday when City Council voted to vacate streets on the Chester Avenue side of the campus. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/10/cleveland_to_vacate_streets_fo.html
October 12, 201113 yr This could go in many threads, but ill post it here cause it fits, and was at the top of the list. Cleveland Indians will install wind turbine at Progressive Field The Cleveland Indians on Tuesday afternoon confirmed that they are working with Cleveland State University's Fenn College of Engineering to install a 15-foot-tall wind turbine at Progressive Field before next season. A report on the Natural Resources Defense Council's website said grants from the U.S. Department of Energy and the State of Ohio will “fully cover cost of the turbine and installation at Progressive Field.” Indians spokesman Curtis Danburg said the project has been in the works for a couple years. "It's another opportunity to partner with a Cleveland institution," Mr. Danburg said. "We've been an industry leader in the (sustainability) field, and this is an extension of that." http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20111011/FREE/111019957
October 12, 201113 yr I hope that is 15 feet on top of the peak at the stadium! Yes. It went through the planning commission a few months back and I posted pictures that showed it on top of the brick tower at the corner of 9th and Carnegie.
October 12, 201113 yr Plans to build a $50 million apartment complex at Cleveland State University moved ahead Monday when City Council voted to vacate streets on the Chester Avenue side of the campus. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/10/cleveland_to_vacate_streets_fo.html Oh yeah!
October 16, 201113 yr Parked at Cleveland State last tuesday in the South Garage. Learned that the garage is actually 4 levels, not 3. I parked on the 2nd which had several spots open. The 3rd and 4th levels were completely empty. Anyways, cant wait to see rendering for this project and see them built!
October 25, 201113 yr Could CSU have handled this differently, maybe, but I bet that as with any privately financed project the start date was a moving target. Once CSU knew that shovels would hit dirt they made the announcement. Say something too soon and people forget. There are still plenty of places to park if you know where to look. As I suspected could happen, the date for the reduction in spaces has been pushed back to October 20th. New start date is mid-November.
October 26, 201113 yr E.17th has a new college bar. Jay Ross's Bar & Grill has replaced the old time spot of Moe's. No review of the place yet, but I did see the CSU types walking in and out.
October 26, 201113 yr They have signage up? Dont believe that building has ever been photographed on here
November 2, 201113 yr http://www.csuohio.edu/news/releases/2011/11/14951.html Cleveland State To Break Ground On New Residential Development $50-million mixed-use neighborhood to bring 600 new residents to CSU campus Cleveland – Cleveland State University and Polaris Real Estate Equities will break ground on the new Campus Village Nov. 9 at 10:30 a.m., marking the single largest residential development in Cleveland in more than three decades. The groundbreaking ceremony will be on the corner of East 23rd Street and Chester Avenue on the CSU campus. Campus Village will be a modern lifestyle development comprised of nine buildings with restaurants, shops, green space for outdoor activities and 8,000 square feet of indoor amenities, including a movie theater, media rooms and a cyber cafe. There will be more than 300 market-rate apartments – all designed to attract young professionals, alumni and students interested in living downtown and near a campus community. New residents will be drawn to the development by the amenities of the University and its proximity to PlayhouseSquare, downtown and the new Campus International School. “This is a significant step in our ongoing process of creating a vibrant campus neighborhood,” said CSU President Ronald M. Berkman. “With 600 additional residents in the area, there will be a new energy on campus that will spark additional development throughout the surrounding area. This is a very exciting for CSU and for the city of Cleveland.” The development is a public-private partnership between CSU and Polaris. “As a Cleveland-based company, we are very proud to be part of a project that will play a significant role in the area’s revitalization,” said Polaris President Guy Totino. “Cleveland State has done a remarkable job revitalizing this area, and this project will be a success, in part because of that effort.” Construction begins the week of Nov. 7, with the first phase to be complete by fall of 2012, and the second phase to be complete by the fall of 2013. About Cleveland State University Founded in 1964, Cleveland State University is a public research institution that provides a dynamic setting for engaged learning. With an enrollment of more than 17,000 students, 8 colleges and approximately 200 academic programs, CSU was again chosen for 2011 as one of America’s Best Colleges by U.S. News & World Report.
November 2, 201113 yr Is this thing a design-build or what. How come we never see any real renderings attached to these releases. Very odd.
November 3, 201113 yr Those first two pictures show commercial along the ground level. The second two, especially the fourth one, suggest otherwise. The aerial suggests it's one or the other, because except for the one row of buildings on Chester, the rest looks like townhouses. I was hoping the whole thing would be multistory with some commercial mixed in. I mean, this is right downtown. Those townhouses would fit in 200 blocks away.
November 3, 201113 yr Only one of the three buildings will have retail space. Definitely a huge improvement from those parking lots! Good find X!
November 3, 201113 yr Found something! https://picasaweb.google.com/109814684492672301193/DropBox Yes nice work. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I hope the brick can make it through to the end. That's usually what gets cut when money gets tight.
November 3, 201113 yr http://www.csuohio.edu/news/releases/2011/11/14951.html Cleveland State To Break Ground On New Residential Development $50-million mixed-use neighborhood to bring 600 new residents to CSU campus Cleveland – Cleveland State University and Polaris Real Estate Equities will break ground on the new Campus Village Nov. 9 at 10:30 a.m., marking the single largest residential development in Cleveland in more than three decades. The groundbreaking ceremony will be on the corner of East 23rd Street and Chester Avenue on the CSU campus. Campus Village will be a modern lifestyle development comprised of nine buildings with restaurants, shops, green space for outdoor activities and 8,000 square feet of indoor amenities, including a movie theater, media rooms and a cyber cafe. There will be more than 300 market-rate apartments – all designed to attract young professionals, alumni and students interested in living downtown and near a campus community. New residents will be drawn to the development by the amenities of the University and its proximity to PlayhouseSquare, downtown and the new Campus International School. The movie theater part really piques my interest. Does anyone know anything more about that? Is it going to be a Detroit-Shoreway style theater or a more mainstream type?
November 3, 201113 yr Safe assumption: Movie theater = common room with projection screen for use of residents.
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