^That's the building they want to put on the block that currently contains Viking Hall and Wolfe Music.  At least according to their master plan.

This was one idea for the parcel of land where the Kinko's and Viking Hall are located.  I don't know if they are still planning on building this, or something else on that land. 

 

Can anyone get the picture to load?  I'm getting some kind of "fatal error".

^ I have the same problem.  On an unrelated note, and I will post this on the Playhouse thread too, did anyone know that the area we've been wondering about for a while between Cowell & Hubbard and Idea Center (not Dwellworks) will hopefully be a CSU art gallery?

 

http://www.csuohio.edu/offices/architect/statusreports/CurrentStatusReport.pdf  <-- also has some other cool projects, seems Berkman's getting a new pool  :clap:

^That's the building they want to put on the block that currently contains Viking Hall and Wolfe Music.  At least according to their master plan.

 

They now want to build a new science building here.

The plan posted in the Playhouse Square thread shows $200,000 (in red) for the Kinko's Facade, but it is marked "unfunded."

Moes closed on euclid

 

Is that other Mexican place still open?  I haven't been over there for lunch in a long time.

Moes always seemed busier than Pedro Pedro, I'm surprised it is the one that went under.

This was one idea for the parcel of land where the Kinko's and Viking Hall are located.  I don't know if they are still planning on building this, or something else on that land. 

 

Can anyone get the picture to load?  I'm getting some kind of "fatal error".

 

 

See here:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2289.msg591333.html#msg591333

Ahh, I did see that one before.  I was hoping for a better image, or even better, a better design.

^^^I think Moe's might've had a broader base, but Pedro Pedro has almost a cult following from what I've seen, at least in Levin.  I didn't realize Moe's was closed though, hope it becomes a Chipotle! 

 

Does anyone know if the Subway on 18th is going to close now that the new Subway is open?

I really did not enjoy pedro Pedro's.

 

I am waiting for the day chipotle Wendy's Arby's or chic fil a comes downtown.

 

No subways are closing, the new one was actually a potential 24 hour subway, but the owner decided not to do so.

Moe's is closed?  Didn't it open about 6 months ago?

Moe's is closed?  Didn't it open about 6 months ago?

 

I think it was actually about a year ago. 

 

Anyways, I love Moe's, but I've always enjoyed Pedro Pedros, so I'm okay as long as we have one of those options near campus. 

Moe's is closed?  Didn't it open about 6 months ago?

 

I think it was actually about a year ago. 

 

Anyways, I love Moe's, but I've always enjoyed Pedro Pedros, so I'm okay as long as we have one of those options near campus.

 

I will miss Moe's, I had a bad expericence at Pedros Pedros before, will never go back.

Okay folks, moving on and keeping on topic, please.

I'm confused...a post having to do with potential labor issues and delays related to the north campus development has nothing to do with "Cleveland State University developments"?! 

I'm confused...a post having to do with potential labor issues and delays related to the north campus development has nothing to do with "Cleveland State University developments"?!

 

+1

 

I'm sick of these protesters already.

 

It looks like they paid some people from the salvation army to come out.

Is it a strike or a union protest?  Very different things, with very different implications and newsworthiness.

Is it a strike or a union protest?  Very different things, with very different implications and newsworthiness.

 

Ha! protest, sorry

 

Thanks for the catch.

Is it a strike or a union protest?  Very different things, with very different implications and newsworthiness.

 

Not 100% certain, though my guess is protest.  Still looking for a news article about it. 

Update from tonight. Three Stories! How many is this supposed to be again? Four or five?

The buildings facing Chester will be four stories according to previous reports.  The other buildings will be 3 stories.

 

http://media.cleveland.com/metro/photo/02cgvillagejpg-d14e94f44d1080f6.jpg

Is it a strike or a union protest?  Very different things, with very different implications and newsworthiness.

 

Not 100% certain, though my guess is protest.  Still looking for a news article about it. 

 

It's not news. Whenever there are construction projects that do not utilize union labor forces there will typically be union protesters in front of it. What many people may not know is that often (not all the time, but often) these are not union employees but rather people the union hires to protest. I wonder if they pay these individuals union rates...

Is it a strike or a union protest?  Very different things, with very different implications and newsworthiness.

 

Not 100% certain, though my guess is protest.  Still looking for a news article about it. 

 

Their signs seem to be from the carpenter's union, something about the contractor not paying prevailing local wage.

I'm surprised they haven't yet put up that giant inflatable rat. But I hear the rat is in pretty high demand.

Hmm, I guess it is news. 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/04/unions_protest_campus_village.html

 

Looks like the story is that they've made only minimal effort in hiring local workers. 

I consider myself fairly liberal and pretty pro-union. I absolutely believe in unions' rights to voice their opinions, to assemble, etc. I just don't understand their suggestion that local hiring should be on par with city rules, when city funds were not used.

PR blunder for CSU.  They probably could have insisted that any structures built on the leased property follow public construction requirements, but they didn't.  I would be that they might the next time CSU pursues this kind of arrangement.

The group looks like a bunch of hired protesters. Doesn't look like anyone cares or is taking them seriously. If anything, they dont give that union a good image.

 

I would love to see CSU hire locally, but just not them. What would they do then?

But like the story says CSU didn't use city money for the project so they aren't required to have 20% of their workers come from the local area or have 4% be low income workers so really they are crying over spilled milk. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or anything but CSU has no obligation to the city to hire local workers

But like the story says CSU didn't use city money for the project so they aren't required to have 20% of their workers come from the local area or have 4% be low income workers so really they are crying over spilled milk. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or anything but CSU has no obligation to the city to hire local workers

 

CSU and the City need to work together.  According to the article, the mayor's office is not happy with this situation.  Maybe the next time CSU needs something from the City, the request gets "lost" in the circular file cabinet. 

 

Also, if CSU is using state money for this project (which seems possible), even if there are no specific rules for employment, it does look bad if they're going out-of-state for workers if people from here are qualified to do the job. 

Same thing happened recently at Cadillac Ranch.  Should have been anticipated.  More and more this sounds like a project that CSU couldn't afford to do right.  Jackson has to side with the union, he's got no choice politically.  So now he's forced to oppose CSU.  Wonderful.  Then again, if local construction wages are the reason we can't get anything built in a high-demand environment, maybe these guys are part of the problem.  They certainly seemed like it, protesting in front of East 4th Street while East 4th Street was transforming downtown for the better. 

 

But it's a complex issue and these protestors are pawns in it.  The Dimora trial and other scandals suggest that construction firms have way too much power around here.  Constant storyline of exorbitant profits at taxpayer expense.  Bringing in out-of-state workers to that end does seem to merit a giant inflatable rat.  Construction increasingly requires taxpayer funding, which requires taxpayers, which I do think requires a fair share of the funding going to local workers.  If the current regs make that optional, current regs should change.

Same thing happened recently at Cadillac Ranch.  Should have been anticipated.  More and more this sounds like a project that CSU couldn't afford to do right.  Jackson has to side with the union, he's got no choice politically.  So now he's forced to oppose CSU.  Wonderful.  Then again, if local construction wages are the reason we can't get anything built in a high-demand environment, maybe these guys are part of the problem.  They certainly seemed like it, protesting in front of East 4th Street while East 4th Street was transforming downtown for the better. 

 

But it's a complex issue and these protestors are pawns in it.  The Dimora trial and other scandals suggest that construction firms have way too much power around here.  Constant storyline of exorbitant profits at taxpayer expense.  Bringing in out-of-state workers to that end does seem to merit a giant inflatable rat.  Construction increasingly requires taxpayer funding, which requires taxpayers, which I do think requires a fair share of the funding going to local workers.  If the current regs make that optional, current regs should change.

 

Is it really "high-demand" if taxpayer funds need to be used to build it?  Berkman and CSU leadership seem to be trying to create demand where it currently does not exist.  We see how well that's worked out for Wolstein Center.

I'm confused??  I thought this was a private development??  I also thought that downtown has only 4% vacancy at any given time.  That to me shows "high demand".  Wolstein Center is a completely different story.

Same thing happened recently at Cadillac Ranch.  Should have been anticipated.  More and more this sounds like a project that CSU couldn't afford to do right.  Jackson has to side with the union, he's got no choice politically.  So now he's forced to oppose CSU.  Wonderful.  Then again, if local construction wages are the reason we can't get anything built in a high-demand environment, maybe these guys are part of the problem.  They certainly seemed like it, protesting in front of East 4th Street while East 4th Street was transforming downtown for the better. 

 

But it's a complex issue and these protestors are pawns in it.  The Dimora trial and other scandals suggest that construction firms have way too much power around here.  Constant storyline of exorbitant profits at taxpayer expense.  Bringing in out-of-state workers to that end does seem to merit a giant inflatable rat.  Construction increasingly requires taxpayer funding, which requires taxpayers, which I do think requires a fair share of the funding going to local workers.  If the current regs make that optional, current regs should change.

 

Is it really "high-demand" if taxpayer funds need to be used to build it?  Berkman and CSU leadership seem to be trying to create demand where it currently does not exist.  We see how well that's worked out for Wolstein Center.

The Wolstein Center was built when there was no arena downtown for basketball and they actually tried to get the Cavs to move from Richmond to there but the organization chose to build their own arena. The problem with the Wolstein Center as noted in a Plain Dealer article was that they refuse to take responsibility for certain things that would be key in attracting large acts and that the Gund Arena (Now the Q) does take responsibility for them so that is why the Q attracts the acts and events that the Wolstein Center wants but can't have because of their restrictions and not wanting to like I said before take responsibilities on so it was a good idea and had good intentions but the Q was built and they had bad management, marketing etc. which is killing it

I'm confused??  I thought this was a private development??  I also thought that downtown has only 4% vacancy at any given time.  That to me shows "high demand".  Wolstein Center is a completely different story.

It is private develpoment.  CSU is leasing the land.

 

The Wolstein Center was built when there was no arena downtown for basketball and they actually tried to get the Cavs to move from Richmond to there but the organization chose to build their own arena. The problem with the Wolstein Center as noted in a Plain Dealer article was that they refuse to take responsibility for certain things that would be key in attracting large acts and that the Gund Arena (Now the Q) does take responsibility for them so that is why the Q attracts the acts and events that the Wolstein Center wants but can't have because of their restrictions and not wanting to like I said before take responsibilities on so it was a good idea and had good intentions but the Q was built and they had bad management, marketing etc. which is killing it

What evidence do you have that CSU was trying to get the Cav's to play at the Convocation Center?

I'm confused??  I thought this was a private development??  I also thought that downtown has only 4% vacancy at any given time.  That to me shows "high demand".  Wolstein Center is a completely different story.

It is private develpoment.  CSU is leasing the land.

 

The Wolstein Center was built when there was no arena downtown for basketball and they actually tried to get the Cavs to move from Richmond to there but the organization chose to build their own arena. The problem with the Wolstein Center as noted in a Plain Dealer article was that they refuse to take responsibility for certain things that would be key in attracting large acts and that the Gund Arena (Now the Q) does take responsibility for them so that is why the Q attracts the acts and events that the Wolstein Center wants but can't have because of their restrictions and not wanting to like I said before take responsibilities on so it was a good idea and had good intentions but the Q was built and they had bad management, marketing etc. which is killing it

What evidence do you have that CSU was trying to get the Cav's to play at the Convocation Center?

I read it wrong the Wolstein center broke ground in 1988 and opened on November 1st, 1991 just months after County commissioners agreed to a lease for the Cavs to move downtown as apart of the Gateway project my mistake  :oops: the rest of the things I stated are true the story can be found here:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/03/cleveland_state_university_pon.html

This is going around. I added the bold

 

______________________________________________________________________________________

April 10, 2012

 

I want to take a moment to clarify some confusion about the Campus Village construction project. Several years ago, as part of Cleveland State's Master Plan, the University resolved to make the North Campus property available for private development. The goal was to promote local growth, increase the downtown residential population and stimulate an emerging campus neighborhood with residents affiliated and unaffiliated to the University.

 

Because a publicly funded University cannot support private housing, CSU sought independent developers willing to invest in the area. After CSU issued a request for proposals, Polaris Real Estate Equities presented Cleveland State with a plan to build a private mixed-use development with their funding and under their management.

 

To begin, Polaris competitively bid all of the construction work and awarded the jobs based on qualified companies with the lowest proposals. As a result of the bidding process, 75 percent of the vendors selected are Cleveland-based firms, and nearly 40 percent of the workforce is represented by unions.

 

Cleveland State respects the right of groups and individuals to voice their concerns, but it is also important that the campus community is aware of all of the facts surrounding this issue.

 

Driving down Chester Avenue, you can already see how the Campus Village is changing the local landscape. It is adding vitality to the neighborhood, fueling the local economy and driving additional development to the area. I look forward to the long-term benefits this project will provide for not just Cleveland State but for this entire area.

 

Stephanie McHenry

Vice President

Business Affairs & Finance

^ haha, I was in the process of uploading that!!  Went out to all students as a "letter from the president."  I suppose instead I'll just upload these from yesterday:

Thanks for the photos. I'm really happy with how fast that's going up.

I got that letter as well. 

 

Sounds like the University is trying to have its cake and eat it too.  Why the need to play the role of landlord?  If you're going to do that then take some responsibility for the slimy behavior of the developers you brought on board for the project.  Otherwise just outright sell the land and wipe your hands clean.

 

I also thought that downtown has only 4% vacancy at any given time.  That to me shows "high demand".

 

Vacancy for what exactly?

I got that letter as well. 

 

Sounds like the University is trying to have its cake and eat it too.  Why the need to play the role of landlord?  If you're going to do that then take some responsibility for the slimy behavior of the developers you brought on board for the project.  Otherwise just outright sell the land and wipe your hands clean.

 

I also thought that downtown has only 4% vacancy at any given time.  That to me shows "high demand".

 

Vacancy for what exactly?

Residential boo!

What is so bad about

 

"75 percent of the vendors selected are Cleveland-based firms, and nearly 40 percent of the workforce is represented by unions."

 

?

I'm really happy with how fast that's going up.

 

Incredibly fast ... It looks like they've already moved on to capping the fourth floor at Chester and 21st today!

Sounds like the University is trying to have its cake and eat it too.  Why the need to play the role of landlord?  If you're going to do that then take some responsibility for the slimy behavior of the developers you brought on board for the project.  Otherwise just outright sell the land and wipe your hands clean.

 

What exactly was slimy behavior?  Or just because you see some contractors standing around with signs picketing, you assume the developer is up to no-good?

 

Selling the land outright would be a big mistake.  They would lose control and have no option if they should want to expand in 20 years (they will).

clevelander17 has an axe to grind with this project for taking his precious surface parking.  So he's going to latch on to anything he can try to make some hay out of.

clevelander17 has an axe to grind with this project for taking his precious surface parking.  So he's going to latch on to anything he can try to make some hay out of.

 

I second this.

Third! I'm so thrilled to see parking lots disappearing!!!

There are still parking spaces left in the South Garage everyday, at all times.  Dr. Schwartz said it best, there isn't a parking problem, there's a walking problem.

Besides there's still plenty of parking off campus if you want it. (But again, it does require walking.)