June 5, 201213 yr By the time Rhodes tower was built there wasn't really much left on that side of town.
June 5, 201213 yr When Rhodes tower was built wasn't there a sort of controversy over the high rise being built? I remember watching the video about the downfall of Downtown Cleveland and how building were getting demolished left and right. I also remember something being said over the construction on Rhodes tower and how there was some type of controversy but can't pinpoint it exactly If only they'd listened to the detractors. That tower is now uninhabitable and too expensive to demolish. A monument to foolishness if ever there was one.
June 5, 201213 yr Yeah, because the entire area was bulldozed for it... I'm not going to say that there was or wasn't a controversy (I've never heard of one), but look at the area. Almost everything was already bulldozed when they put up Rhodes Tower. This picture is from 1950, 18 years before they built Rhodes.
June 5, 201213 yr ^Thanks for that. Indeed looks like CSU didn't have to bulldoze much for Rhodes Tower, but it definitely did level lots of buildings further west; here is an inventory of the neighborhood before the initial round of CSU campus buildout: http://www.clevelandmemory.org/csu/survey/streets.html
June 5, 201213 yr Damn you Strap, :-) I was going to post some pics to show some losses. Oh well, click on East 19th and then look at the photos on pages 3-4-5 if you want to see some real beauties we lost. EDIT: screw it, I'm gonna post 'dem pics no matta what! Looking west on Euclid near East 18th in 1972.... Crossing Euclid to the north side at East 18th and looking east in 1974.... Looking west from East 19th, south of Chester, in 1973.... Dorr Apartments on East19th in 1965.... Windsor Apartments on East 19th in 1965.... Lafayette Hotel, 1854 East 19th in 1965.... Thomey's, the Town Bar and the Town Open Kitchen on Chester at East 19th in 1965.... So there...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 201213 yr Great minds think alike!! ;-) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 201213 yr I hope someone was given a good whoopin for defiling that beautiful building with a front yard chain link fence.
June 5, 201213 yr I hope someone was given a good whoopin for defiling that beautiful building with a front yard chain link fence. They were probably complimented for the modernization of that "derelict" structure of yesteryear. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201213 yr Yeah, because the entire area was bulldozed for it... I'm not going to say that there was or wasn't a controversy (I've never heard of one), but look at the area. Almost everything was already bulldozed when they put up Rhodes Tower. This picture is from 1950, 18 years before they built Rhodes. What is that spot that looks like a test track next to Mather Mansion?
June 6, 201213 yr What is that spot that looks like a test track next to Mather Mansion? Good eye! Looks like a driving instruction course. Notice there's an area for parallel parking, too. A strange feature to have in a downtown area. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 201213 yr More updates from yesterday: IMG_2504 by lilblondiecan2003, on Flickr IMG_2503 by lilblondiecan2003, on Flickr IMG_2505 by lilblondiecan2003, on Flickr
June 15, 201212 yr Does anyone know if the Wolstein Center's roof-replacement/Solar Panel project has started or is going to happen?
June 15, 201212 yr I hope someone was given a good whoopin for defiling that beautiful building with a front yard chain link fence. They were probably complimented for the modernization of that "derelict" structure of yesteryear. If anyone has ever seen the movie "Fortune Cookie," I believe the area where Cleveland State currently is, is the home of Jack Lemon's character. Many street scenes from the film if you've never seen it.
June 15, 201212 yr I hope someone was given a good whoopin for defiling that beautiful building with a front yard chain link fence. They were probably complimented for the modernization of that "derelict" structure of yesteryear. If anyone has ever seen the movie "Fortune Cookie," I believe the area where Cleveland State currently is, is the home of Jack Lemon's character. Many street scenes from the film if you've never seen it. Oh wow, it's been a couple of years since I've seen the movie, but now that you mention it, I can definitely see that.
June 15, 201212 yr OK, now I have to go get that movie. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 15, 201212 yr I hope someone was given a good whoopin for defiling that beautiful building with a front yard chain link fence. They were probably complimented for the modernization of that "derelict" structure of yesteryear. If anyone has ever seen the movie "Fortune Cookie," I believe the area where Cleveland State currently is, is the home of Jack Lemon's character. Many street scenes from the film if you've never seen it. I could have sworn St. Vincents and the Old Dominoes bar were in this movie as well. They did shot scenes where Wolstein now stands.
June 15, 201212 yr ^There is a shot of the side entrance of St. Vincents as well of course the old Stadium during the day (I think they filmed during a Vikings game) and at night at the end of the movie with the Stadium empty. Also set up shots of the Terminal Tower (where the lawyers offices supposedly were).
June 15, 201212 yr ^There is a shot of the side entrance of St. Vincents as well of course the old Stadium during the day (I think they filmed during a Vikings game) and at night at the end of the movie with the Stadium empty. Also set up shots of the Terminal Tower (where the lawyers offices supposedly were). If my memory serves my correct, I want to say that there are some Erieview construction shots as well.
June 15, 201212 yr "Fortune Cookie" has some great Cleveland shots ^ Yes, outside of Walter Matthau's law office (I believe) are some views of a brand new Federal Office Bldg (Celebrezze Bldg) and Erieview Tower. I think they are just window props but it is neat.
June 15, 201212 yr "Fortune Cookie" has some great Cleveland shots ^ Yes, outside of Walter Matthau's law office (I believe) are some views of a brand new Federal Office Bldg (Celebrezze Bldg) and Erieview Tower. I think they are just window props but it is neat. IIRC Erieview was under construction during the filming of this movie.
June 15, 201212 yr "Fortune Cookie" has some great Cleveland shots ^ Yes, outside of Walter Matthau's law office (I believe) are some views of a brand new Federal Office Bldg (Celebrezze Bldg) and Erieview Tower. I think they are just window props but it is neat. IIRC Erieview was under construction during the filming of this movie. I don't recall the movie, but the Celebrezze building was built at the same time as Erieview. If they were both under construction I doubt you'd be able to spot the Celebrezze bldg from the area around CSU unless it was close to topping out, but Erieview is a little closer and might be visable.
June 15, 201212 yr ^The law office was not in or by CSU but purportedly on PS (in the Terminal Tower). I don't recall seeing the buildings under construction in those scenes and would have thought those would have been studio shots but maybe they did film in a real Cleveland office. I think we are going to get slammed soon for being so off topic. We can all blame W.28th. But it is a great movie.
June 15, 201212 yr To get back on topic a little bit, am I understanding correctly that brownstone apartment buildings were located on the land where Wolstein currently is?
June 15, 201212 yr Took some pictures on my off day: (6/15/12) 'The Langston' IMG_1019 by chubbard216, on Flickr IMG_1018 by chubbard216, on Flickr IMG_1020 by chubbard216, on Flickr IMG_1022 by chubbard216, on Flickr 1905 Union Building on Euclid IMG_1023 by chubbard216, on Flickr
June 16, 201212 yr Excellent pics! Pardon my ignorance if this is already underway or was shelved/postponed/etc, but I was snooping around and came across this RTA/CSU Layover Center - anyone know what happened to it?
June 16, 201212 yr The concept wasn't developed, but transit center is complete and is immediately east of the Wolstein Center (Arena).
June 16, 201212 yr ^Yep, imagine that rendering without any of the density. Sort of like the bus hub across the street from Parmatown Mall.
June 16, 201212 yr The concept wasn't developed, but transit center is complete and is immediately east of the Wolstein Center (Arena). For shame. This seems to be a trend I am noticing of TOD not really taking hold anywhere along the RTA? (aside from the eco-village plans, which are just plans)...not that BRT lends itself very well to TOD, definitely not as well as the rail-based Red Line in the case of the eco-village plan. It's also a shame because CSU could really use a campus hotel, and I can testify to that - the only summer quarters they do are Euclid dorms rented by the week, which is an odd arrangement. I'm not sure what they do when Euclid is booked. Campuses need university-ran hotels, which can be teaching opportunities for an HRAD-type program.
June 16, 201212 yr For shame. This seems to be a trend I am noticing of TOD not really taking hold anywhere along the RTA? (aside from the eco-village plans, which are just plans)...not that BRT lends itself very well to TOD, definitely not as well as the rail-based Red Line in the case of the eco-village plan. See the Cleveland TOD thread in the transportation section: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1977.0.html It's also a shame because CSU could really use a campus hotel, and I can testify to that - the only summer quarters they do are Euclid dorms rented by the week, which is an odd arrangement. I'm not sure what they do when Euclid is booked. Campuses need university-ran hotels, which can be teaching opportunities for an HRAD-type program. Why wouldn't the Comfort Inn at Euclid and East 18th qualify as a campus hotel? Or the University Hotel & Suites, 3614 Euclid? The CSU hotel is the "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 16, 201212 yr Because the university is not able to subsidize it or use it as a teaching facility or even for work-study jobs or whatever opportunities the university might want. Those are still privately-owned hotels and they all have the same rate, not including parking, or at least for the nights I called for. Being downtown and surrounded by hotels and other services that have cropped up around campus, they get the benefit of having a place for visitors to stay so beds nearby isn't a problem, but being able to manage them in the way they want is (I obviously can't yet speak to CSU's hospitality goals, but probably in line with other large universities). The university will be able to put a visiting professor or speaker in a hotel and give them a per diem, obviously, but that similar courtesy is often extended to other academic visitors if a university has a hotel it runs itself. It gives the university an advantage in attracting visitors and events to come their way, similarly to how municipalities these days are moving heaven and earth to build subsidized attached convention center hotels. Here is an example of the hotel at Oklahoma State, which is attached to the Student Union and overlooks the quad. Working in our study abroad office, I was able to familiarize myself with differences in short-term accommodation on campuses. I know a lot of the other big campuses I've visited for sporting events have something similar, like Auburn for example.
June 16, 201212 yr Since CSU doesn't have any type of Hospitality management programs, they have little to no reason to be subsidizing a hotel. Especially since there are plenty in the downtown area. CSU probably has deals/rates at several of those hotels for when they bring in guests.
June 16, 201212 yr ^^I don't think CSU has a hospitality program. Keep in mind that CSU is a mid-level or even minor player in the large constellation of public universities in Ohio, so unlike Auburn or OSU (OK's and OH's), it's not going to have every type of program or facility. In fact, limiting redundancies in program offerings has been a priority in reforming the public university system in recent years. And given its downtown location, a shortage of proximate hotel rooms has probably not been a practical problem over the years (though it may be one in the near future while we're waiting for the downtown room count to grow). EDIT, Bookman beat me to it...
June 17, 201212 yr Since CSU doesn't have any type of Hospitality management programs, they have little to no reason to be subsidizing a hotel. Especially since there are plenty in the downtown area. CSU probably has deals/rates at several of those hotels for when they bring in guests. True, there is a "CSU rate" at downtown hotels but for example my alumni association card gets a better discount, and it just seems a little bush league, but the improving downtown location probably makes up for that. I'm probably drawing at straws, deep down, I guess I just wish the shiny rendering had come to fruition - the real solution to this problem is probably to indulge in other shiny new renderings instead lol. Maybe I'm also a little too used to the argument of, "Well, we have to build it (whatever it is), or they'll think our endowment is tiny." :roll:
June 17, 201212 yr I'm all for transitioning schools like CSU to residential, and that requires construction. But otherwise I think campus construction needs to stop statewide. Tuitions are way too high.
June 17, 201212 yr I'd argue you get what you pay for. Tuition should be more a function of state support for students, less a function of market rate what students are receiving. SMDH
June 17, 201212 yr I'd argue you get what you pay for. Tuition should be more a function of state support for students, less a function of market rate what students are receiving. SMDH Do not get me started about State support for students. Politicians in Ohio have cut funding in higher education to ridiculous levels. It's up to the individual institutions to find creative ways to build the buildings that the institution needs. This is why CSU is leasing the land to a private developer for the North Campus Village.
June 17, 201212 yr Yeah, CSU's endowment is pretty negligible, not that most university's use their endowment for anything anyway.
June 18, 201212 yr Yeah, CSU's endowment is pretty negligible, not that most university's use their endowment for anything anyway. Huh? That's the idea of an endowment. You use the interest from it, but not the endowment itself.
June 18, 201212 yr Most schools haven't even touched it at all since 2008, especially because academic endowments aren't required to distribute anything like charitable ones are. Endowments have been under fire across the country (especially their tax-exempt status), regardless of their specific stipulations at a particular college. It was a pretty off-hand comment anyway.
June 25, 201212 yr CSU still hopes to convert Mather Mansion into boutique hotel: Whatever happened to ...? Published: Sunday, June 24, 2012, 8:55 PM Karen Farkas, The Plain Dealer By Karen Farkas, The Plain Dealer One of the few surviving Millionaires' Row homes is still vacant and untouched, but Cleveland State University remains hopeful that it will be transformed into a successful, top-notch hotel. CSU, which owns the 43-room Tudor mansion, sought proposals last December from developers who would sublease it, spend about $10 million to redevelop the property and operate it as a hotel. University officials expected the facility would open in 2013. Two proposals were received. But after a committee met with the developers in May, there were still some concerns whether the developer could obtain financing for the project and if the hotel could generate enough income, said Stephanie McHenry, CSU's vice president for business affairs and finance. McHenry said CSU will work with the developer that ranked highest after the interviews to gather more information, including a marketing study, before any decision to lease the building is made. CSU doesn't plan to go forward unless it's a viable project, she said. A decision is expected to be made within six months, she said. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/csu_still_hopes_to_convert_mat.html
June 26, 201212 yr What was Mather Mansion used for previously? I seem to remember it being used for meeting spaces and some other random stuff.
June 27, 201212 yr ^If my memory is correct, departments like Alumni Affairs, University Marketing, and University Advancement were some of the last tenants of Mather Mansion.
June 27, 201212 yr ^If my memory is correct, departments like Alumni Affairs, University Marketing, and University Advancement were some of the last tenants of Mather Mansion. Yeah that makes sense. I've been inside the house once or twice, it's a really nice space. A bit off-topic, but it really makes me wish we had more of those old Millionaire's Row mansions around (available for CSU use no less).
June 27, 201212 yr ^Howe Mansion has been refurbished and an addition built. It houses the College of Graduate Studies.
June 28, 201212 yr I saw construction workers today on Euclid next to the Inner Belt doing site prep for one of those towers of light. With the Flats bridges getting their lighting renewed, there's going to be lots of cool lighting downtown. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 10, 201212 yr Request for Qualifications Center for Innovation in Health Professions 2112 Euclid Avenue Cleveland State University is planning a new building called the Center for Innovation in Health Professions (CIHP). The facility will provide the University an identity and presence it has never had by bringing together medical programs in one building; expanding the opportunity to encourage collaboration across disciplines. In addition a new partnership with NEOMED will allow for a permanent presence for the medical school on CSU’s campus. The University has recently concluded a build planning study with faculty and staff from the Provost’s Office and the University Architect’s Office. This process must be validated with the help of external consultants. It is anticipated that a 6 week program validation period will commence immediately upon the execution of a contract. We are interested in working with a firm that has extensive experience not only in architectural planning and design but the process of deciding how to allocate space in a building based on an academic program; an academic strategy for realizing the educational program envisioned in the facility. Finally, the financial goals and constraints need to be fully understood as well as other external factors that may be relevant to program expansion. To that end a Business Plan will be developed by the consultant to analyze the return on investment. The building will create new expenses and revenues. Items such as: potential for growth in enrollment, grants, increase in faculty and re-purposing of space vacated by the move to the new building. These factors must be measured against the University’s investment in the facility. Once the concept of the academic program and return on investment is vetted, then an architectural vision will be formed. /\/\/\ This would be directly across Euclid from the new Student Center.
July 10, 201212 yr /\/\/\ This would be directly across Euclid from the new Student Center. AKA the old Viking Hall site, no? Good to hear there's been progress on this project.
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