Has the new design been chosen from the competitive choices?

 

So we demolished that beautiful building (above) and the existing Rascal House -- both along Euclid's sidewalk -- for this.......

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for August 16, 2013

 

DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW

1. DF2013-058 - Rascal House and Peabody's Buildings Proposed Demolition

Project Addresses: 2064 Euclid Avenue and 2045 East 21st Street

Project Representative: Justin Fliegel, Stantec Architecture

 

 

 

The one thing I dont like about my school. They want to be taken seriously with urban studies and the likes, but they constantly go and do things like this... bulldozing urban blocks for lawns, lawns and more lawns. They really give the Clinic a run for their money on this topic

Is CSU pursuing this? I thought it was a private developer??

 

BTW, CSU is trying to market itself as an urban campus, with urban life for urban resident-students. And then this happens.

Isn't the Science Building going on this site?  I wasn't aware that they came up with a design yet (all I recall were the conceptual designs when they were picking the architect).

Good question! And you just gave a moment of deja vu there. Seems this very question was raised here before the Great UO Crash of 2013, after someone else posted a similar site plan.

Its the site of the new building for their partnership with NEOMED, though I cant recall exactly which design they picked..

We should all send emails to someone at CSU (university architect?) like we do to city hall on several occasions. It would probably shock them and maybe they would reconsider.

CSU's recent building placements have been a$$ backwards to me.  Residential dorms are built up to the street while academic buildings are all set back behind lawns.  Not that I support any setbacks downtown, but wouldn't logic say if you just had to have setbacks do so at the dorms to provide greenspace and screening for residential areas, and build the more street active academic buildings up to the street??

Good question! And you just gave a moment of deja vu there. Seems this very question was raised here before the Great UO Crash of 2013, after someone else posted a similar site plan.

 

Yeah here is the link to that story and renderings.

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2012/10/did_csu_and_neomed_play_it_too.html

What a gorgeous suburban setback!

 

Makes me wonder if the developer is merely following the zoning guidelines.

I have a feeling this is just a placeholder dsign to meet the demo permit requirements.

CSU's recent building placements have been a$$ backwards to me.  Residential dorms are built up to the street while academic buildings are all set back behind lawns.  Not that I support any setbacks downtown, but wouldn't logic say if you just had to have setbacks do so at the dorms to provide greenspace and screening for residential areas, and build the more street active academic buildings up to the street??

 

It just comes down to dollars. The dorms are done by private developers, ie; more building space, more rentable space, academic buildings aren't as important on the total square footage, especially when dealing with State funded projects it comes down to what they can afford to build and what they actually need.

 

I have a feeling this is just a placeholder dsign to meet the demo permit requirements.

 

I wouldn't count on it. Stantec is the local firm working with Pelli Clarke Pelli, the Design Architect.

 

They could fit two buildings on that lot, one fronting Euclid and one fronting Prospect. In the middle you can have a small courtyard. Instead we get an oldly placed building with terrible frontages on north streets. Terrible.

I was under the impression that the demo of Rascal House and Peabody's was negotiated so that the new building could utilize the full footprint of the site.  Instead it looks like the demo was for space for an 'ornamental grass garden', and that the building could easily fit in the space to the east of Rascal house, if it was just rotated or reconfigured.

I have a feeling what Strap said above is correct and there is no approved design as of yet. 

^ I hope so. That link that freethink posted showed 3 possible designs that all interacted with the street much better than that awful design.

The design architect is Peli and CSU wants this development adjacent to the student center to be a more park-like setting.  It helps signify the campus center.  Plus I guess there were some requests from Trinity as well about open space. 

The design architect is Peli and CSU wants this development adjacent to the student center to be a more park-like setting.  It helps signify the campus center.  Plus I guess there were some requests from Trinity as well about open space. 

 

I can certainly see this and I know the CSU master plan some years ago called for a "green ribbon" to run through the campus.  No doubt the brutalist campus left little to be desired in terms of greenspace, an important amenity that was/is lacking and CSU has been trying to address.  For me and I think others on this board the issue is should this greenspace be situated to front Euclid, the campus and city's main street.  To me better design would place buildings along Euclid, Prospect and Chester, maintaining the building wall and creating quads in the spaces between.  I would love this scenario and feel this would be ideal, but the placement of existing structures, past and more recent, make creating a central quad or greenspace this difficult at best...so CSU is in a difficult position and the green ribbon was their solution.

Or have the building or a second building for another use front Prospect.

I have a feeling what Strap said above is correct and there is no approved design as of yet. 

 

Sorry...

http://clevelandstate.tumblr.com/post/42847571960/center-for-health-innovation-will-be-designed-by

http://www.csuohio.edu/class/com/clevelandstater/Copy/141004.html

 

location probably changed during design development

 

"Pelli Clarke Pelli will collaborate with the Cleveland architectural office of Stantec on the project."

^but weren't all the designs (including that one) pretty conceptual during the competition and the "refined" design still has not made an appeaerance?

^but weren't all the designs (including that one) pretty conceptual during the competition and the "refined" design still has not made an appeaerance?

 

Correct, which is why I'm guessing the location on the site has changed once the Architect's had a chance to work with CSU and their overall goals.

 

This isn't anything greatly new. See their 2010 Master Plan below. The building shape at that time was simply a place holder.  I guess at least the shape touched the sidewalk in spots on three sides.

 

 

 

 

part of the Langston's retail area at night, an upcoming outdoor patio?

 

^ CSU's E4th??  I like it!

What is the occupancy rate at the Langston? I like it, more pics please

 

It's looking really good, particularly that pedestrian-only pathway that used to be a throughway (E. 22nd? E. 23rd?). Unfortunately that particular alleyway is adjacent on both sides to what look like communal amenity spaces for renters, rather than retail ... Which might hamper the sidewalk cafe effect a bit.

Good sign for the Langston Apartments...

 

Cleveland State University freshman class 15% larger than last year

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20130823/FREE/130829872

As you might imagine, I've been keeping an eye on who might take the retail space at the Langston.  When I walked around the building Sunday, there was no indication that any of the retail space was being built out.  It looks ready to be developed, but there is stil a "For Lease" sign in the window.

^ Pizza Hut is moving into one of the spaces in the Langston. It'll probably do well considering Rascal House sold their soul so CSU can build another crappy building with greenspace.

Surprised there is no sign of the confirmed Pizza Hut...

I heard a Menchies.

They advertise a Chipotle as well in the Scene.

Surprised there is no sign of the confirmed Pizza Hut...

 

Driving by last night, it looked like there was one space mostly built out - I thought I saw a counter, so perhaps it's the Pizza Hut.

I think a Chipotle and Menchies would do great here, especially with all the college kids. They would be perfect places to open here as this area on Chester could use some life, and both of these places are big draws which would definitely add life to the street. Because of the location, these places need to be something people seek out, which both of these places are. I don't think a local place would do well here.

 

And on a lesser note, although stupid, it could help attract more students to CSU. When touring campus, prospective students will now see new buildings and possibly a Chipotle, Menchies, and Pizza Hut right on campus. A couple years ago they would have saw a parking lot. Which is the bigger draw?

FYI......

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2658.msg670895.html#msg670895

City Planning Commission

Agenda for September 6, 2013

 

DF2013-058 - Center for Innovation in the Health Professions Conceptual Approval

Project Location: Euclid Avenue and East 22nd Street

Project Representative: Justin Fliegel, Stantec

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/09062013/index.php

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: This last image looks like a campus masterplan since the stuff north of Payne and the Inner Belt lane threading doesn't yet exist.......

 

Does anyone else notice the section above Kenzler field? What types of buildings are those? Currently that is a parking lot with a building on it.

Photo

Wow, so the site plan shown for the demo application is indeed what they're proposing for the real project?  Shame on me for giving the CSU the benefit of the doubt.  What a horrible, horrible plan. Inexplicable.

Yeah this is pretty bad...you think they could have at least sited it on Euclid and kept all the green space in the rear on Prospect.

 

It is a huge lot (drove by a couple of days ago for the first time since the demo of the hotel and I surprised how truly large the lot is...and it will get even bigger once the Rascal House is demoed).  It would have to have been a massive building to fill the whole lot...still...the siting could have been done better....maybe use the front part and reserve the rear for future construction.

I think sometimes we forget that CSU is trying to build an appealing and welcoming college campus in the downtown area, not an urban density project.

I honestly think that is the worst rendering any of us could have imagined...so terribly bad...REJECT??

Does anyone else notice the section above Kenzler field? What types of buildings are those? Currently that is a parking lot with a building on it.

 

I bet it is that Cleveland State elementary school which is currently over in Midtown I believe

Terrible Terrible Terrible! Ruins Euclid AND Prospect. Is today April 1st? I wish it was...

I think sometimes we forget that CSU is trying to build an appealing and welcoming college campus in the downtown area, not an urban density project.

It doesn't need to be an "urban density project" but the least they can do is site it on Euclid! This is a terrible plan. I hope it doesn't go through.

I think sometimes we forget that CSU is trying to build an appealing and welcoming college campus in the downtown area, not an urban density project.

 

I think we forget there are far too many apologists in this city for crappy urban design.

 

I expect quite a few that go to CSU actually like urban density. Shouldn't we expect density along the corridor the county spent a fortune reconstructing?

 

Does anyone else notice the section above Kenzler field? What types of buildings are those? Currently that is a parking lot with a building on it.

 

I bet it is that Cleveland State elementary school which is currently over in Midtown I believe

 

The Public Safety building is awesome. And that's Tower Press also on that block. What they're doing with the surface lot is a mystery.

 

That's where I was hoping to win the lottery and build a soccer stadium for Cleveland's MLS team...guess that's not gonna happen now lol.

Here's the email address for anyone who would like to express "appreciation" for Pelli Clarke Pelli's submission of the winning sketch from 'bring your kids to work day' for the CIHP at CSU: [email protected]

 

On second thought, maybe the kids would come up with something more appropriate or creative.

This also looks nothing like the 'blade' or 'lightning bolt' design that was originally proposed.  Now it looks like they were trying to emulate the prototypical CSU 1980's blocky brick building supplemented with a modern glassy add-on, like the law building or main classroom, but set back 50 feet from the road.