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This makes me sad, I always admired CSU for not backing down on pressure to remove controversial and offensive submissions to the Peoples Art Show. My Alma Mater, I loved CSU for that.

 

Artist Sues Cleveland State for Censoring Trump Message on His Iconic 'The Politician: A Toy' Sculpture

 

Lawyers representing artist Billie Lawless today filed a federal lawsuit against Cleveland State University accusing the school of violating his rights by placing a covering over the phrase "BUILD A WALL OF PUSSIE," 

13 hours ago, metrocity said:

This makes me sad, I always admired CSU for not backing down on pressure to remove controversial and offensive submissions to the Peoples Art Show. My Alma Mater, I loved CSU for that.

 

Artist Sues Cleveland State for Censoring Trump Message on His Iconic 'The Politician: A Toy' Sculpture

 

Lawyers representing artist Billie Lawless today filed a federal lawsuit against Cleveland State University accusing the school of violating his rights by placing a covering over the phrase "BUILD A WALL OF PUSSIE," 

Why is this sad?  It was probably the crassness of the phrase in a public setting that concerned them.  Not the anti-Trump message.  

First post but I love reading all these threads!! Question I have? Wouldn't a brand new state of the art football stadium ( potentially built on wolstein center site or towards e 27 ) spurn MASSIVE investments everywhere around CampusTown?! 40k stadium with corporate suites I can imagine downtown packed on sat afternoons. Idk why Cle St never has tried to field a football team, I feel it could be I incredibly successful 

2 hours ago, 86henryw86 said:

First post but I love reading all these threads!! Question I have? Wouldn't a brand new state of the art football stadium ( potentially built on wolstein center site or towards e 27 ) spurn MASSIVE investments everywhere around CampusTown?! 40k stadium with corporate suites I can imagine downtown packed on sat afternoons. Idk why Cle St never has tried to field a football team, I feel it could be I incredibly successful 

 

I believe they have tried and the student body did not want to pay for it. College football is incredibly expensive. I also don’t think CSU would be able to field a BCS team, so it probably wouldn’t be too big of a draw. 

 

Even if they were, it may not bring too many down since it’s a relatively small school. For instance, even at University of Miami—which is arguably among the most winningest football programs in college history—we had weeks where the student section was full (but was 5,000/77,000 seat) and no one else came. Imagine the TV network when they had to show a mostly empty stadium on ESPN. Suffice it to say, you don’t see the Hurricanes on national televised anymore because they’re not good enough to draw non-student crowds and too small for students to show up en masse. 

I'd guess the most likely development outcome of a big stadium would be more demolition and lots of surface parking. 

3 hours ago, 86henryw86 said:

First post but I love reading all these threads!! Question I have? Wouldn't a brand new state of the art football stadium ( potentially built on wolstein center site or towards e 27 ) spurn MASSIVE investments everywhere around CampusTown?! 40k stadium with corporate suites I can imagine downtown packed on sat afternoons. Idk why Cle St never has tried to field a football team, I feel it could be I incredibly successful 

 

The main reason CSU hasn't started a football program is because of cost. The program would not make enough money to be self-sustaining, so the cost would fall on the student body to subsidize it via an increased athletics fee.

3 hours ago, 86henryw86 said:

First post but I love reading all these threads!! Question I have? Wouldn't a brand new state of the art football stadium ( potentially built on wolstein center site or towards e 27 ) spurn MASSIVE investments everywhere around CampusTown?! 40k stadium with corporate suites I can imagine downtown packed on sat afternoons. Idk why Cle St never has tried to field a football team, I feel it could be I incredibly successful 

I personally would love that, and I think it’s needed but it has to be done right. They can’t half-ass it. The last thing I saw, they took a survey of the students, who wanted a football team, but wasn’t crazy about having to pay for it (go figure, lol). But I’m with you. I support getting a college football team here, with these caveats though: they have to spend real money to build the program and make it competitive and their recruitment and scholarship process has to be on point. Don’t do it if you’re not gonna go all the way with it. Because if they do that, it’ll just be a money pit. But if they go all in, a successful, well funded football program could be huge for the school and the city, and bring more eyeballs to the city, which I support in almost any instance. I’m all for it if they do it right. 

Football stadiums aren't used enough to attract ancillary development. They usually become a financial anchor unless you are lucky enough to grow a large following, which CSU won't. They are looking to demo Wolstein for a smaller basketball stadium with less seats. That to me is the smarter option. 

The University of Akron built a brand new football stadium on their urban campus. It cost about $60 million and did not have much demolition like this would. Oddly enough, the U of A announced  a few years that the university as whole was in the hole about $60 million. That was with an established program.

University of Pittsburgh shares Heinz Field with the Steelers. I'd prefer to see something similar worked out with FES and the Browns in the event of a CSU football team materializing. I don't think the city needs two football stadiums that only get used a handful of times a year. Though I'll grant that Pitt has had a football program for over a century and their color scheme matches the stadium a little better.

1 hour ago, gpodawund said:

University of Pittsburgh shares Heinz Field with the Steelers. I'd prefer to see something similar worked out with FES and the Browns in the event of a CSU football team materializing. I don't think the city needs two football stadiums that only get used a handful of times a year. Though I'll grant that Pitt has had a football program for over a century and their color scheme matches the stadium a little better.

That’s not a bad idea. Problem is, the Browns charge WAYYYYY too much to rent the stadium. Unless that changes, CSU would be better off building their own. It would be ideal to use Browns stadium so it gets more use, but they want your firstborn child in order to rent that place

1 hour ago, gpodawund said:

University of Pittsburgh shares Heinz Field with the Steelers. I'd prefer to see something similar worked out with FES and the Browns in the event of a CSU football team materializing. I don't think the city needs two football stadiums that only get used a handful of times a year. Though I'll grant that Pitt has had a football program for over a century and their color scheme matches the stadium a little better.

Not to get too far off track, but Pitt had a great stadium which was torn down. I know many in that community believe switching to Heinz Field has been a disaster attendance wise. 

 

As for CSU, I’d much rather they figure out their Wolstein Center issue than worry about adding a football stadium or program. 

 

 

I'm all in favor for csu chipping in with Force Stadium. Could be a double ownership with community use when no games are happening like in most college stadiums. Open for the public, but for gametime...  it's primetime.

Edited September 13, 20195 yr by tastybunns

2 hours ago, HGRHS said:

Not to get too far off track, but Pitt had a great stadium which was torn down. I know many in that community believe switching to Heinz Field has been a disaster attendance wise. 

 

As for CSU, I’d much rather they figure out their Wolstein Center issue than worry about adding a football stadium or program. 

 

 

 

That stadium was a POS, no other word for it... Should they have done something else but move to Heinz?  Probably but the Petersen is a very nice arena

15 hours ago, tastybunns said:

I'm all in favor for csu chipping in with Force Stadium. Could be a double ownership with community use when no games are happening like in most college stadiums. Open for the public, but for gametime...  it's primetime.

 

The Krenzler field site would work great for this...

20 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said:

That’s not a bad idea. Problem is, the Browns charge WAYYYYY too much to rent the stadium. Unless that changes, CSU would be better off building their own. It would be ideal to use Browns stadium so it gets more use, but they want your firstborn child in order to rent that place

Actually. That’s not too big of a stretch. CSU already uses orange as an ancillary color. Just pop that orange out a bit more and you have a perfect match.

 

Miami shares a stadium with the Dolphins and they just put giant U logos over everything each Saturday. The orange of the stadium matches the Dolphins and Canes. 

 

And then both my alma maters would have orange and green football teams, and I could wear their apparel interchangeably! ?

18 hours ago, tastybunns said:

I'm all in favor for csu chipping in with Force Stadium. Could be a double ownership with community use when no games are happening like in most college stadiums. Open for the public, but for gametime...  it's primetime.

 

Okay. This idea may be better. Still all in with the orange and green unis, though. 

 

Is the Krenzler site big enough for something like this? I’d imagine they’d have to take that entire block between 18th and 21st? Then move baseball and other fields down to Wolstein and have the basketball team play at RMF—which is presumably too over-scheduled with the Cavs, Monsters, Gladiators (if they come back), shows, etc. 

 

So maybe not...

Whenever I was back home, I actually took measurements of every nearby college level football stadium.

Believe it or not, Toledo's Glassbowl, and Akron's stadium would fit in perfectly. I'm gonna try to find it, if not I have no problem doing it again.

The only problem is where the tennis courts and softball/baseball flats will go.

 

 

Edited September 14, 20195 yr by tastybunns

So, I went ahead and did nearby stadiums, including Ohio Stadium which is way too big.

I used the measure tool on google maps, and followed each stadium boundary very closely even including connecting buildings directly related to each stadium. This is where Nippert stadium got a bit tricky to do, because they have the rec center and the basketball/events center right by it but i didn't include those. For the most part, every college level football stadium that is not D1 in Ohio can fit in Krenzler Field. Here are some of the numbers.

 

Stadium sq ft

 

CSU KRENZLER FIELD:
390,396.10 sq ft

 

UA (INFOCISION) STADIUM:
318,328.59 sq ft

 

UC NIPPERT STADIUM:
313,648.55 sq ft

 

OSU OHIO STADIUM:
534,428 sq ft
W/O end seating
438,212.23 sq ft

 

UT GLASSBOWL STADIUM:
276,331.46 sq ft

 

CWRU DISANTO FIELD:
243,941.81 sq ft

 

 

^ Good stuff. For clarification, I assume those Krenzler Field dimensions include the baseball and tennis areas?

Unfortunately yes they do

CSU could utilize League Park, and really should. The tennis court could easily be moved as well- if theres one thing CSU has, its land.

1 hour ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

CSU could utilize League Park, and really should. The tennis court could easily be moved as well- if theres one thing CSU has, its land.

Didn't CSU Drop baseball a few years ago?

nope, a couple of my buddies back home are in the baseball program.

1 hour ago, tastybunns said:

nope, a couple of my buddies back home are in the baseball program.

Then they must’ve recently brought it back because they did get rid of it at one point 

http://www.csuvikings.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/050211aac.html

6 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said:

Then they must’ve recently brought it back because they did get rid of it at one point 

http://www.csuvikings.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/050211aac.html

Baseball is not listed under men's Sports in the CSU Website.

CSU no longer has baseball. 

Club sports

BOOM (aka future megaprojects!)

 

 

FRIDAY, JANUARY 17, 2020

Two new jobs that could change Cleveland's landscape forever

 

The creation of two jobs can change a region in a significant way. Cases in point are two medically related positions -- one that was just filled and the other that was recently advertised.

Yesterday, Cleveland State University (CSU) hired a new employee that will probably be a game changer for Cleveland and Northeast Ohio. It could ultimately lead to thousands of new jobs. Yes, thousands.

And, weeks ago, Canon Medical Research USA Inc. posted a job listing for a new position at its Cleveland-area offices -- director, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) research and development (R&D). It could also lead to thousands of new jobs in the future.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/two-new-jobs-that-could-change.html

Wow! Those sound like major game changers for the city and region!

 

Thanks for the great reporting as always, @KJP. Have you heard any insight from your sources regarding where the new CSU developments could potentially occur? My gut guess is where all the parking lots are on Prospect / around the Wolstein Center area??

That’s awesome!  I found myself wondering yesterday what the hiring of Adm. Faison could mean for CSU and the region as a whole.  Thank you for taking the time to research and write about it, @KJP.

16 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said:

Wow! Those sound like major game changers for the city and region!

 

Thanks for the great reporting as always, @KJP. Have you heard any insight from your sources regarding where the new CSU developments could potentially occur? My gut guess is where all the parking lots are on Prospect / around the Wolstein Center area??

 

The Wolstein Center site is definitely a candidate for redevelopment in CSU's upcoming facilities masterplan. Whether the new medical school and health care research facilities land there, it's too soon to know. One possibility I've heard is that a smaller arena may be built on the Wolstein site with the rest devoted to campus development, including residential or possibly classrooms, auditoriums, etc.

 

And once again an article that's a topic of new discussion ends up at the end of a previous page. So, for convenience-sake, here it is.....

 

48 minutes ago, KJP said:

BOOM (aka future megaprojects!)

 

 

FRIDAY, JANUARY 17, 2020

Two new jobs that could change Cleveland's landscape forever

 

The creation of two jobs can change a region in a significant way. Cases in point are two medically related positions -- one that was just filled and the other that was recently advertised.

Yesterday, Cleveland State University (CSU) hired a new employee that will probably be a game changer for Cleveland and Northeast Ohio. It could ultimately lead to thousands of new jobs. Yes, thousands.

And, weeks ago, Canon Medical Research USA Inc. posted a job listing for a new position at its Cleveland-area offices -- director, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) research and development (R&D). It could also lead to thousands of new jobs in the future.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/two-new-jobs-that-could-change.html

 

Edited January 17, 20205 yr by KJP

Would Cannon Research be an expansion of the existing presence that have in Mayfield Village?

1 minute ago, freefourur said:

Would Cannon Research be an expansion of the existing presence that have in Mayfield Village?

 

Yes. Big time.

@KJP, thanks for breaking more positive news.  I've got three questions:

1. I presume this is the big news you hinted at in past weeks?

2. Can CSU create a med school and do all the facilities construction we'd like to see on its own?  Or does it need authority or funding from the legislature?

3. On the Cannon news, the article notes that the job posting is for Cleveland (Mayfield Village).  Is there any other info you can share to demonstrate their plans are bigger than one position?

 

1 minute ago, ryanfrazier said:

@KJP, thanks for breaking more positive news.  I've got three questions:

1. I presume this is the big news you hinted at in past weeks?

2. Can CSU create a med school and do all the facilities construction we'd like to see on its own?  Or does it need authority or funding from the legislature?

3. On the Cannon news, the article notes that the job posting is for Cleveland (Mayfield Village).  Is there any other info you can share to demonstrate their plans are bigger than one position?

 

 

1. yes, partially

2. I think CSU will need funding approved by the Ohio Department of Higher Education, the State Controlling Board, and possibly the feds too.

3. No, not yet. But I'm told it involves our local hospitals and universities. So the news by CSU dovetails into Canon's, at least indirectly.

9 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

1. yes, partially

2. I think CSU will need funding approved by the Ohio Department of Higher Education, the State Controlling Board, and possibly the feds too.

3. No, not yet. But I'm told it involves our local hospitals and universities. So the news by CSU dovetails into Canon's, at least indirectly.

Based on this news and past hints, my first guess would be a new Canon Medical Campus in Fairfax (along the Opportunity Corridor maybe).  There, the Toshiba and Quality Electrodynamics facilities could be unified (and hopefully expanded upon), and be much more convenient to the hospitals, Case and CSU.

15 minutes ago, acd said:

Based on this news and past hints, my first guess would be a new Canon Medical Campus in Fairfax (along the Opportunity Corridor maybe).  There, the Toshiba and Quality Electrodynamics facilities could be unified (and hopefully expanded upon), and be much more convenient to the hospitals, Case and CSU.

 

Thanks for pointing out the acquisition of QED. I missed that -- but added it to the article. The press release says Canon considers medical equipment to be the source of future growth for the company, and the acquisition of QED is a big piece of how they hope to achieve that growth. Look for them to increasingly pour more resources into that conduit.

If CSU ever decides to build a football stadium, we should call it "The Steel Bowl"

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

Thanks for pointing out the acquisition of QED. I missed that -- but added it to the article. The press release says Canon considers medical equipment to be the source of future growth for the company, and the acquisition of QED is a big piece of how they hope to achieve that growth. Look for them to increasingly pour more resources into that conduit.

I forgot about the QED acquisition, too despite posting it! Given that there is already a Canon R&D presence in the area, that's easy to overlook. I'm intrigued that this is only part of the "mega project", but it seems to involve lots of moving pieces between loosely coupled players that bring more to the table collectively than they do on their own due to agglomeration effects.

 

@KJP Is the remainder of this "partial" reveal pointing to an unrevealed development within this med-tech/imaging/education industry, or an unrelated "megaproject"?

 

Since quotes across topics don't directly embed links, here's the link to the Cannon QED announcement for those interested: https://www.crainscleveland.com/technology/majority-stake-quality-electrodynamics-sold-canon-inc

Edited January 18, 20205 yr by infrafreak
phrasing

@infrafreak yes, that's what I've heard. And apparently Canon wants to pour a lot of resources into it and greatly expand their medical equipment R&D and manufacturing. The question, what activities would be located here, to what extent, and in what timeframe?

Thanks for the great news, KJP.  Cleveland has built an impressive medical industrial complex in the last several decades, but very little of it has happened in the heart of downtown.  The developments have all been in University Circle and just recently, on West 25th in Metro's neighborhood.  It would be great if downtown could get even a share of the growth in buildings and infrastructure those two areas have seen in this century alone.  Not only is CSU strategically located near (in?) downtown, it also has the institutional chops to make a truly "eds and meds" contribution to the nearby central business district.

Edited January 19, 20205 yr by Down_with_Ctown

 

MONDAY, JUNE 29, 2020

CSU starts process for skyline-altering master plan

 

A lot can change in just six years. That's especially true when it comes to a university that's continuing to make the transition from a regional commuter school to more of a nationally prominent residential institution.

And when that university is also trying to reconfigure its athlethic facilities, privatize its parking and capitalize on Cleveland's international standing as a medical center, then it's time to take a fresh look at its campus.

So Cleveland State University (CSU) has issued a request for qualifications from urban planning and design firms to create an updated master plan for what is currently an 85-acre campus. According to the Dodge Reports, CSU is requesting qualifications for planning services to be submitted by 2 p.m. July 24 to Jeremiah Swetel, CSU's executive director of facility services.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/csu-starts-process-for-skyline-altering.html

28 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

MONDAY, JUNE 29, 2020

CSU starts process for skyline-altering master plan

 

A lot can change in just six years. That's especially true when it comes to a university that's continuing to make the transition from a regional commuter school to more of a nationally prominent residential institution.

And when that university is also trying to reconfigure its athlethic facilities, privatize its parking and capitalize on Cleveland's international standing as a medical center, then it's time to take a fresh look at its campus.

So Cleveland State University (CSU) has issued a request for qualifications from urban planning and design firms to create an updated master plan for what is currently an 85-acre campus. According to the Dodge Reports, CSU is requesting qualifications for planning services to be submitted by 2 p.m. July 24 to Jeremiah Swetel, CSU's executive director of facility services.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/csu-starts-process-for-skyline-altering.html

“The new medical school and research facilities could feature thousands of students and research jobs and be a magnet for many millions of dollars of state and federal funding for education and research.

CSU's strengthened effort in the healthcare field is intended to provide a steady and voluminous supply of students and interns for Greater Cleveland's large medical institutions.”

 

That alone could change EVERYTHING

Proud Viking alum here! So excited to see my alma mater growing like this.

44 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

MONDAY, JUNE 29, 2020

CSU starts process for skyline-altering master plan

 

A lot can change in just six years. That's especially true when it comes to a university that's continuing to make the transition from a regional commuter school to more of a nationally prominent residential institution.

And when that university is also trying to reconfigure its athlethic facilities, privatize its parking and capitalize on Cleveland's international standing as a medical center, then it's time to take a fresh look at its campus.

So Cleveland State University (CSU) has issued a request for qualifications from urban planning and design firms to create an updated master plan for what is currently an 85-acre campus. According to the Dodge Reports, CSU is requesting qualifications for planning services to be submitted by 2 p.m. July 24 to Jeremiah Swetel, CSU's executive director of facility services.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/csu-starts-process-for-skyline-altering.html

This is very exciting! I walk through that campus almost everyday and I see SO much potential. If Euclid Ave in this stretch gets some attention, I will be thrilled.

38 minutes ago, KJP said:

MONDAY, JUNE 29, 2020

CSU starts process for skyline-altering master plan

So Cleveland State University (CSU) has issued a request for qualifications from urban planning and design firms to create an updated master plan for what is currently an 85-acre campus. According to the Dodge Reports, CSU is requesting qualifications for planning services to be submitted by 2 p.m. July 24 to Jeremiah Swetel, CSU's executive director of facility services.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/csu-starts-process-for-skyline-altering.html

I hope the plan includes capping a few sections of the Innerbelt, preferably Prospect to Chester - how nice would that be?

 

The focus on medical programs is spot on - build from the regions strengths. 
 

CSU has so much potential - it’s the only state school in Ohio that is in a proper, big city downtown. (Sorry UA, downtown Akron just isn’t in the same tier, even though it has made steps in the right direction more recently.) Appealing to Ohio students who want to be downtown, not just within city limits, is a great target demographic. The other great opportunity for CSU is in the arts, for many of the same reasons. How many theatre schools have joint facilities with two resident regional theatre companies and the number one touring Broadway location in the country (Playhouse Square)?

^My wish list:

- Cap I-90 from Prospect to Chester

- Replace Wolstein Center w smaller b-ball only arena w better street presence along Prospect and E18 OR E21, with remaining space dedicated to housing

- New 300-400 foot tower. This IS UrbanOhio, after all

- Accommodation for future Streetcar / Light Rail along Euclid and/or Prospect and E22

Another factor that doomed Wolstein Center was Kevin Mackey's downfall which resulted in the demise of the men's basketball program.  The CSU Vikings were gaining prominence and hoping to start attracting some big name schools, necessitating a need for a larger facility.