^What is the timeline on the residential component that you stated Musky.

A few more facts phase 1:

 

1)  Barnes and Noble is leasing 10,000 sf at 2020 Euclid Ave.

2)  They open 8/1/07

3)  The residential component includes 44 rental units and 8 for-sale units

 

 

Well atleast the size went up, but this is going to open it 4.5 weeks?  How long have they been working on this?  Was there unseen internal work?

yes, cafe ahroma is very nice... and they stay open into the evening.  They've got the best location relative to the whole campus, whereas the starbucks at Playhouse Sq. is a bit of a walk if you're in class somewhere in the middle of campus.  Definitely can't do it on an intermission!

 

I'm surprised to hear about the size and mix of the residential component, Musky...

Barnes & Noble store slated for downtown

Wednesday, June 27, 2007

Zachary Lewis

 

Barnes & Noble College Booksellers is coming to downtown Cleveland, the first step in a plan to establish a bustling residential and business area around Cleveland State University.

 

The store, expected to open in August at 2020 Euclid Ave., is viewed as the anchor to a long-discussed redevelopment plan called College Town. The goal is to create a traditional college-town atmosphere around the urban campus at Euclid and East 21st Street.

 

Bill Beckenbach, director of the community development group Quadrangle Inc., said verbal agreements have been made between Barnes & Noble College Booksellers and Brothers Printing, owners of the 2020 Euclid Ave. property occupied by a vacant Goodwill store....

 

 

I know CSU is nowhere near the size of OSU.. but even schools like Miami Ohio and others have more then 1 bookstore.  Also, I'd imagine the bookstore in the new student union is going to be more focused on actual text books, while the B&N will focus on the coffee shop/leisure reading.

 

The contract with Nebraska books requires a full bookstore that will be open to the public. I do not have the floor plans on me right now, but I can tell you the spot for them in the student center is significant. (i will post details tomorrow.)

 

 

 

Here are the numbers for Nebraska Books to be located in the new student center:

 

The bookstore will be a total of14330 sq ft. This includes a 1330 sq ft staging area on the lower level. Deliveries will be made here.

On the first floor there will be 4000 sq ft devoted to textbooks. this will be set up about 5 feet from the Euclid Avenue entrance to the SC./

9000 sq ft will be devoted to sales and support including commercial retail (in direct competition wit BN). This level will be the same elevation as the Euclid entrance. there will also be an additional entrance on the southwest corner (see egg shape below).

 

There will be a 2278 sq ft area set up as a lobby/cafe with tables that will be open to the top of the building.

Hmmm... I read that as the text book section tucked in the back of the bookstore (where it belongs) and the retail section being up closer to the Euclid entrance.

Musky, you amaze me with your access to renderings, drawings and other cool stuff. May your access never be denied!

Mayday Map Boy (sorry)- correct

 

KJP - thank you, may the force be with you as well

 

 

I read that egg-shape as an internal stairwell for the building - there's no door to the outside shown.  Otherwise it looks like a good design with pushing the texts to the back and opening up floor space for more retail by the cafe - who wants to sip a cappuccino while leafing through a sociology textbook?  Is staging a new word for stockroom?

The residential portion is larger than I had expected.  Yeah!

I read that egg-shape as an internal stairwell for the building - there's no door to the outside shown.  Otherwise it looks like a good design with pushing the texts to the back and opening up floor space for more retail by the cafe - who wants to sip a cappuccino while leafing through a sociology textbook?  Is staging a new word for stockroom?

 

The egg shaped portion was originally going to be for emergency evacuation only (state fire code requirement), but I am pretty sure it is full access now

Staging is stock and delivery

i'm having a hard time picturing where this is going... is this right across the street from the student center in that lone skinny parking lot within all those 6-7 story buildings... i dont have a photo of it, but i drove by it last night and saw it no longer a parking lot and fenced off.

Look at the very first post on this thread, second picture.

Here are the latest Student Center drawings.

The architects will be presenting to the president on July 5 for final schematic approval.

 

 

 

Looks nice.. I guess that's why they needed to raise my graduate tuition by 6%

 

Bastards..

No, it was already financed.

We'll see how the president feels about it on Thursday.

I was able to tour 1900 Euclid ave this morning, and wow.  high ceilings, huge windows, great views, good price ($750-1000), weight room, sauna and free tanning bed??...the women at the leasing desk said they just did an complete overhaul of the staff, and the changes and room remodeling are looking great.   

 

I just wanted to get that out that there already is a great housing option in the beginning parts of CSU college town.

 

 

I was able to tour 1900 Euclid ave this morning, and wow.  high ceilings, huge windows, great views, good price ($750-1000), weight room, sauna and free tanning bed??...the women at the leasing desk said they just did an complete overhaul of the staff, and the changes and room remodeling are looking great. 

 

I just wanted to get that out that there already is a great housing option in the beginning parts of CSU college town.

 

 

 

My roomate is actually moving there - from the pictures he showed me, it looks great, and a terrific price too. 

I've been dying to mention a couple of things here (see bolded). Now that is public information, it is Ok... I guess.

 

 

SUMMARY OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES ANNUAL MEETING

 

Actions taken:

 

    1. Recognized Associate Director of Athletics Alice J. Khol on the occasion of her retirement for her 27 years of service to Cleveland State University and her contributions to Women’s Athletics.

 

  2. Approved the three-year contract of Dr. Mary Jane Saunders as Provost and Senior Vice President for Academic Affairs for the period July 1, 2007 through June 30, 2010.

 

  3. Ratified the appointment of Dr. Bette R. Bonder as Dean of the College of Science, effective July 1, 2007.

 

  4. Approved the award of tenure at the rank of Professor to Professor Reginald C. Oh, appointed to the Cleveland-Marshall College of Law.

 

  5. Approved the award of tenure at the rank of Associate Professor to Dr. Matt A. Jackson-McCabe as Chair of the Department of Religious Studies in the College of Liberal Arts and Social Sciences.

 

  6. Authorized the changing of bank account signatures, resulting from routine personnel changes, with the approval of the Treasurer of the Board, rather than Board authorization, provided there are two signatures for each check or withdrawal.

 

  7. Approved and granted authorization for the University Administration to engage Fay Sharpe, LLP for the purpose of registering its trademarks.

 

  8. Authorized the purchase order in the amount of $900,000 for University advertising purchases for FY 2008.

 

  9. Authorized and approved the lease of property located at East 21st Street and Prospect Avenue, known as “Z Lot” to the Euclid Avenue Housing Corporation, obligating the Housing Corporation to enter into a development agreement for the Transit Center with the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority and authorizing the Housing Corporation to construct a parking facility with the terms of the lease subject to the approval of the Officers of the Board.

  10. Authorized the lease of Mather Mansion to the Euclid Avenue Housing Corporation, obligating the Housing Corporation to enter into a development and operating agreement for the conversion of Mather Mansion into a Bed and Breakfast with the terms of the lease subject to the final approval of the Officers of the Board.

 

  11. Elected the following Officers of the Board for a one-year term:  Ronald E. Weinberg as Chairman, Dr. Peter R. Cavanagh as Vice Chairman, Ernest L. Wilkerson, Jr. as Treasurer, and Sonali B. Wilson as Secretary.

 

  12. Recognized Chairman Timothy J. Cosgrove, as his term on the Board of Trustees expires, for his ten years of dedicated service and efforts on behalf of education as a friend, alumnus and trustee.

 

and...

 

SUMMARY OF THE SPECIAL BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING

June 28, 2007

 

Actions taken:

 

  1. Recognized Trustee Vir K. Sondhi for his significant contributions during his seven years of service on the Board of Trustees and wished him well as he establishes residency in Florida.

 

  2. Approved the $221,889,733 University Operating Budget for FY 2008.

 

  3. Approved tuition schedules, effective Fall Term 2007, including a 0% increase for undergraduate tuition, 6% increase for graduate tuition, and 10% increase for Law tuition.

 

  4. Granted the University Administration the authority to explore the lease alternative, as well as purchase alternative of the property located at 2005-07 and 2021 Prospect Avenue, currently occupied by Ameritemps Temporary Help in order to provide temporary parking for Viking Hall residents while “Z Lot” is utilized for the construction of the Transit Center/Parking Garage.

 

  5. Delegated authority to the Board Officers to explore alternative means of pursuing the license and commercialization of scaling and parameterizing controller technology with ADRC Technologies, Inc. and to approve any resulting agreement that furthers the development and commercialization of the technology.

 

  6. Approved the sufficiency of the Treasurer’s Bond in the amount of $250,000 for the fiscal year 2007-2008.

 

 

The Transit Center Construction would occur after the Student Center, wouldn't it?  I was under the impression that the Education facility and the Student Center begin next spring, and then the transit center in late 09.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are not right... or wrong.

It is in RTA;s court now. So, who knows.

This is a major step toward the start of construction though.

With the boards authorization to purchase the Ameritemps building, it brings this project another step closer.

 

Of course, this will require the building to be removed for temporary parking.

Well thank you Musky.  Wonder if RTA will put this on the back-burner for a while so they can stay focused on the cooridor project.  I don't knopw if they even have enough staff engineers to handle the oversight of another bigee.  However, this is a confusing setup, so their involvement may be minimal in the actual management of this one. 

At this point they will be leasing their space from CSU. One of those 99 yr deals.

But this can change. I am led to believe we can see construction this time next year.

^Somewhat confused.  Are you saying design work on the transit center has already begun.  From what I know of construction projects (especially public construction projects which require public bidding) this would have to be the case if shovels are to be in the ground in July of '08.

Its a shame the student center turned out the way it did. It is quite the monstrosity. A hodgepodge of awkward design elements, shapes, and textures that do not mesh well. Its as if the architect took the worst elements of design from the last 3 decades and combined them into the most physically revolting building one could dream up. I almost prefer the current center.

The Mather Mansion will make an amazing bed and breakfast!  Hope it happens.  And thank god Ameritemps is going away.  They attract a lot of trouble to the area.

Yeah I agree, it'll be good to get rid of Ameritemps, any way CSU can spread it's reach in that area is good in my book.  Plus it'll add another parking lot near the arena, which is nice during events.

Lazy architecture by Gwaltney?  No way - I don't believe it.  Litt will have a field day with this design.  Akron has a great student center that CSU could've used as a template.  It looks much better than does this design.

i dont know if im too excited about this student center, it doesnt seem theres been a descision on what to use as the design elements.  its really quite the hodgepodge.  something as confusing looking as this structure should not be the thing that is the center of it all that unifies everything... notice the conceptual design for the performing art center... its one type of style worked throughout the building...

 

i think its wonderful that CSU is thinking ahead and charging forward, but if stuff like this is just pushed through real quick its going to look half-assed like this building.  i have the same feeling as i did before with those conceptual line drawing renderings as i do now.  and thats because if you start like that you kinda end with that except maybe a little more polished.  i mean seriously they need to do some "keywords" exercises in designing this or something and then going from there...

Plus it'll add another parking lot near the arena, which is nice during events.

 

Yes, someone is finally addressing the lack of parking on the eastern fringes of downtown  :wink:

I'd rather the parking lots be on the fringes of downtown rather then the heart of it..

It reminds me of the Joseph M. Gallagher School just west of 65th on Franklin.  (I'll post pics later)  Built in the late-1970s.

 

Also, transit center = parking structure with future potential for housing or other uses on top?  or is this out of the conversation?

I thought the transit center as proposed could include a 10 story hotel and a lobby with retail on the ground. Here's a pic I got from somewhere:

 

Shot at 2007-07-03

^Somewhat confused.  Are you saying design work on the transit center has already begun.  From what I know of construction projects (especially public construction projects which require public bidding) this would have to be the case if shovels are to be in the ground in July of '08.

 

The planning study and schematics were done last year as part of the master plan by Osborne.

It is not a public project. CSU will own the land - RTA will lease.

They will use the ground level for the transit portion of the center. Aprox. 17 buses will be able to park there. The remainder will be used for a parking garage. I do not know how many spaces.

There will also be a Field House for CSU.

There will be a bridge that connects to the Wolstein Center.

There will be a space that might be reserved for future delopement: hotel, housing (replacement for viking) office - undetermined right now.

The tall portion in the renderings is the part that will not be built at this time (in fact, it may never be built).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sigh...  Osborn?  Aren't they an engineering firm?

Whoever is selecting the archtiects for CSU should be fired.

Before my time.

I like the building though.

It's good to get that kind of development into CSU, I just wish they explored the opportunities that exist in designing a transit center (movement, speed, density), instead of pasting facade elements onto a clumbsy agglomeration of overlapping forms and materials.

 

And if the tower isn't built (immediately or ever), what's going to be there, an empty lot on the corner of E21st and Prospect?  That certainly doesn't create the density that should be at that intersection.

That temp worker building is only one story and is made of some very ugly brick. If losing that building is the trade-off for getting something nice built on the giant Z lot, then its well worth it.

It's good to get that kind of development into CSU, I just wish they explored the opportunities that exist in designing a transit center (movement, speed, density), instead of pasting facade elements onto a clumbsy agglomeration of overlapping forms and materials.

 

And if the tower isn't built (immediately or ever), what's going to be there, an empty lot on the corner of E21st and Prospect?  That certainly doesn't create the density that should be at that intersection.

 

 

Boy, you sure have been cranky since last Friday. :-D

 

I'm not sure why you are not happy with this. They are taking a single use parking lot (one of the most dangerous on campus - there are always break-ins and assaults there), and building a multi-use structure.

They are only given capital money to build structures that serve an educational role, so this partnership with RTA is the only thing that is allowing this project to move forward. (The Recreation Center and Student Center projects are financed directly by the students).

 

This proposed project will address "movement, speed, density." How can say it does not.

I like the general design concept here. And I hope a developer is excited about the prospect of building the mid-rise (I don't consider 10 stories a high-rise) residential structure. Thanks, as always, for posting the cool graphics, Musky.

 

They are only given capital money to build structures that serve an educational role, so this partnership with RTA is the only thing that is allowing this project to move forward.

 

 

can you go into a little more detail here...? (more on the limitations of CSU's financial options.....)

I have been a bit cranky on these boards since friday (no need to get into why, B.T.).  I'm just tired of accepting the b.s. that floats around this city from the Paul Volpes, Osborns (I honestly wasn't even aware they were architects and here they are designing transit centers and mid rise structures in the city) and all the other local architects that are afraid to propose something other than  we are seeing at the Avenue District or this proposed College Town.  That stuff has been done a thousand times over throughout the country and they're willing to slap another one here with no thought to what this thing is in the skyline, it's street perspective, etc.  This transit center is a contextless, programatically ambiguous design that could be confused with a Four Seasons resort off of I-90 in Westlake if the YMCA building wasn't shown in the rendering.  I hate to be continually negative on this forum, I really do, but I have a hard time accepting this sort of crap from these designers.  Am I the only one that thinks we should have better?

^^Pope, from what I remember from getting my 4 year degree in 7 years at Ohio State, is that buildings at universities are payed for directly from the General Assembly.  So in a sense the State of Ohio owns all of the academic buildings in the university.  Buildings that support academics such as dorms and administration buildings I am not so sure.  But I do know that student centers and rec centers are not paid for by the GA, and typically they are paid by students.

 

At OSU there was an separate fee (activities fee?) that paid for the construction of the Unions and rec centers.  I am not sure if the university must do it that way, or if they just perfer it that way.

^Couldn't have explained it better myself.

 

^^The problem, at least for a public institution such as CSU, is that the more out of the box in design you go, the more $$ is required. Then you loose programming options. So we get what we can afford.

We must revolt... :shoot:

At least the new student union doesn't resemble a fortress on stilts.. fending off those who would attack CSU

At least the new student union doesn't resemble a fortress on stilts.. fending off those who would attack CSU

 

i'm still plotting with my horde of barbanians to storm rhodes tower.

 

One of these days........just you wait.

Snapped a few shots of the bookstore Thursday night.

All the new windows are up.

 

 

 

^ did they clean or paint the outside first level?  whatever they did, hopefully they will continue it on the rest of the building. 

 

i'm quite impressed at how fast this project has moved along, and it looks good from walking by as well.

So, did we ever figure out if this is a regular Barnes & Noble or a college textbook only version?