May 30, 201015 yr It's gonna need a lot of landscaping, since it's set back so far from Euclid Avenue. Yaaaaaaaaaay Beachwood! Not sure if you are serious about it being set back too far? Given the expected traffic into the Student Center, I think they set it back just right. There is a wide sidewalk and no steps which will be much more inviting in my opinion. The area in front of the southeast corner will have patio seating for the pub. I think the grade changes they have to deal were handled pretty well.
May 30, 201015 yr The setback is largely a function of the shape. I guess the apex of the semicircle is fairly close to the street, but the rest of it arcs away. A curious choice. It's not like CSU had any lack of open space along Euclid. With the Corlett building removed, there's really quite a surplus. I don't think we needed the corners of this plot to be building-free. Could have utilized much more of the frontage and still had a patio.
June 1, 201015 yr I also am a UD grad and currently am still paying off my rent from college. 242 Lowes! Well, UD has the lovely racket of including your "rent" in tuition. So in addition to getting the university mark up for R&B I get to finance it over 30 years. Great :/
June 1, 201015 yr ^I wouldn't really call it a racket because all schools that I know of put your tuition and room and board on the same bill if you stay in a University owned dorm, apartment, or house. It does make people less aware of what they're actually paying IMO.
June 1, 201015 yr ^ that's more what I was getting at. If you aren't aware then you may not consider looking for "off-campus" properties.
June 2, 201015 yr Good news - I'm told that demo has started on 1910 Euclid (to create the public plaza). This will open up the side of 1938 Euclid to pop in windows and patio(s) for retail tenants.
June 2, 201015 yr Here are some renderings of the student center. I dont know if everyone has seen them yet. http://www.csuohio.edu/offices/architect/projects/studentcenter/photogallery/index.html and the floor plans 1st floor http://www.csuohio.edu/studentcenter/images/STUDENTcenter_floorplans1.pdf 2nd floor http://www.csuohio.edu/studentcenter/images/STUDENTcenter_floorplans2.pdf 3rd floor http://www.csuohio.edu/studentcenter/images/STUDENTcenter_floorplans3.pdf
June 7, 201015 yr At Noon on Monday, June 7th, the CSU Bookstore opened in the new student center. While it will be several weeks before all of the fixtures and finishes are complete, it's very nice to be out of that old store. Please say hi to Keith if you come to visit.
June 7, 201015 yr The setback is largely a function of the shape. I guess the apex of the semicircle is fairly close to the street, but the rest of it arcs away. A curious choice. It's not like CSU had any lack of open space along Euclid. With the Corlett building removed, there's really quite a surplus. I don't think we needed the corners of this plot to be building-free. Could have utilized much more of the frontage and still had a patio. Personally, I think a student center and the functions that it is supposed to serve could use the space between the building and the street. I think it's different than the rest of the open space on campus in that it can be better used for more visible student functions, rallies, and other gatherings. While I do like the idea of having buildings built right up to the street for most of campus, I think for a building that is supposed to be more of a centralized gathering place and focal point it can be situated differently than the rest.
June 7, 201015 yr ^I agree with you, but I'm not sure the this design is really delivering the kind of space you describe. Maybe they don't reflect a final landscape plan, but the renderings show boring lawn; and because of the building's footprint, that open space is divided into two corner wedges. Maybe it's asking too much of this building, but this project seemed like an opportunity for an iconic front door and front porch to clearly define the center of campus and I don't think it's going to come close to that. I should probably wait to see it in person though.
June 7, 201015 yr Maybe there will be some sort of programming going on within the lawn space on the student center footprint, like what the College of Urban Affairs does on the lawn along E. 17th. This could call for more activities, which could be planned concurrently at two sections of the campus. I am all for good design aspects along with street interaction, but this may not be a bad feature at all.
June 17, 201014 yr Things are moving along - second tenant signed a lease for 1938 Euclid this week. Joining Jimmy John's will be Moe's Southwest Grill. We have one 4,300 sf space left. Also, 1910 has been torn down.
June 17, 201014 yr Thanks for the updates. Quick question: How much of this will be done before classes begin on August 30th??
June 17, 201014 yr Joining Jimmy John's will be Moe's Southwest Grill. Dear God, I had no idea this place was creeping into Ohio. The one near my home when I was living in Orlando was absolutely horrible. Bad food, bad service, bad atmosphere, probably perfect for a college campus.
June 17, 201014 yr Joining Jimmy John's will be Moe's Southwest Grill. Dear God, I had no idea this place was creeping into Ohio. The one near my home when I was living in Orlando was absolutely horrible. Bad food, bad service, bad atmosphere, probably perfect for a college campus. A lot of those factors are probably an indicator of the individual franchisee. Like any other chain, some locations are better than others. I can assure you this franchisee is a good one - and it will be perfect for a college campus. As to timing, Moe's will not be open by 8/30. I am not involved in the construction meetings, but Jimmy John's and my company's office should be opening somewhere around 8/30, give or take a couple weeks. Construction has started on both spaces.
June 17, 201014 yr Probably a dumb question as I am sure it has been discussed, but what was 1910 Euclid torn down for?
June 17, 201014 yr It is part of CSU's master plan. The master plan calls for a pedestrian walkway to connect Euclid to Prospect (and the Wolstein Center). Initially, it will be more of a pedestrian plaza as they do not currently control the parking lot that is behind it. It will have walkway, grass/landscaping, etc. It will also allow us to put patios on the side of our building for restaurants.
June 17, 201014 yr Joining Jimmy John's will be Moe's Southwest Grill. Dear God, I had no idea this place was creeping into Ohio. The one near my home when I was living in Orlando was absolutely horrible. Bad food, bad service, bad atmosphere, probably perfect for a college campus. I actually really like Moe's...i think its superior to Chipotle and Qdoba. I use to frequent the one in Parma until it closed (for some reason the locaiton never really took off). However, the one in North Olmsted appears to do good business. I'm looking forward to have Moe's as a downtown casual option - since I work in Playhouse square area.
June 18, 201014 yr Author Here's a Sun News review of the Moe's in Avon Lake http://www.cleveland.com/sun/scoopdujour/index.ssf/2008/12/moes_southwest_grill_restauran.html One nice thing about this place is that they seem to do a good job of accommodating vegetarians by offering tofu in a burrito.
June 18, 201014 yr I find it extremely disappointing that CSU tore down that building. Not really sure what the emphatuation with empty plazas is all about. Doesn't Cleveland State have more than enough unused public space as it is? Just dumb.
June 18, 201014 yr Personally I think the plaza will help the businesses in the middle of that block. Right now anyone on the north side of Euclid between E. 18 and E. 21st just walk to those street to head to the Wolstein Center. A business in the middle (Jimmy John's, Moe's) would miss out. The plaza gives a cut through to the Wolstein Center and more visibility to those businesses. Besides, I've been inside the 1910 building, it needed to come down before it fell down.
June 18, 201014 yr I love build-your-own-burrito joints as much as anyone, but I hope that Moe's doesn't just cut into Pedro Pedro's business. My guess is that only one will survive.
June 18, 201014 yr Generally I agree with w28th that CSU has too much open space as it is... but I think the idea of the plaza is to create a new crossroad of frontages in the middle of this block. One of the few instances where I'd say we might gain something from losing a building. If we can continue filling in the other empty spaces along Euclid, as with University Lofts, I don't think we'll miss it much at all.
June 18, 201014 yr That's a perfect place for a plaza that could help the community and also that building wasn't worth keeping or being mad about it being gone. Building destructions downtown suck but in this case it's not so bad
July 15, 201014 yr I don't know how long it's been posted, but there is a pretty well done virtual tour of the student center up now: http://www.csuohio.edu/offices/architect/
July 22, 201014 yr While riding past the 1900 Lofts on the Healthline I noticed workers getting ready to install a sign for 1900 Food and Beverage. Not sure if it will be a supermarket as advertised or more of a bodega.
July 22, 201014 yr I peaked in briefly, and unless there was more I didn't see it looks to be the same size as the Simply Food on E. 12th St.
July 22, 201014 yr You "peaked"? Is that because you're getting older? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 23, 201014 yr Well done, X man. Well done. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 7, 201014 yr I past the Euclid Commons the other day and i really like the look of them and the presence they add to euclid avenue. Unfortunately i did not take any pictures.
August 8, 201014 yr just saw the video of the student center -- looks nice except for that GIANT TV. what's the point of that-to minimize discussions amongst students? hopefully it'll only be on for certain events....
August 9, 201014 yr I haven't seen actual pictures of the new dorms (Euclid Commons) but could anyone who actually has seen the dorms speak on the presence of the dorms and its connectivity to Euclid and the city as a whole. Is it creating a buzz or is the feeling that this is just a dorm?
August 10, 201014 yr I think it won't be until next year when the second phase of Euclid Commons is completed that the connectivity will be qualifiable. From the site of the old bookstore to the inner belt will be a construction site until next August.
August 10, 201014 yr In terms of connectivity (all materials debate aside), I'd say it's got pretty strong potential. The buildings are sidewalk adjacent on Euclid (and I believe on Prospect too?). They're a good height, and there's a courtyard in the middle that frames Walker Weeks' Prospect side nicely. I think it's particularly striking when walking up from the Rec Center, past the engineering college, education college to your left, then Fenn ... the dorms and the education college make this end of campus seem much less scattershot. That said, as has been noted on the thread previously, the materials used in construction, particularly the paneling, scream dormitory ... Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Looking at CSU's interaction with Euclid when I started grad school back in 2003 to what it is today is night and day.
August 13, 201014 yr This thread is for news and discussion of physical development and construction projects at the University of Cleveland. Discussion on potential football teams, name changes, academic and personel news, etc. goes here. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,10753.240.html
August 17, 201014 yr The grocery is coming along, and looks like it will be big enough to supply many of life's necessities. On the other side of the 1900 Euclid Building there was a permit for a takeout food place as well. Should be interesting to see what goes in there.
September 7, 201014 yr Here's an early report about the opening of the new student center from Cleveland.com: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/09/cleveland_state_universitys_ne_2.html This part cracked me up- can't help but think it was a little tongue in cheek by Karen Farkas: The second-floor dining hall is aimed at residential students but is also drawing keen interest from off-campus students, faculty and staff looking for an inexpensive, healthy meal, Emerick said. Many meal plans are offered. The food, cleanliness and ambiance is a lot better than in the former cafeteria in Viking Hall said softball players Macall Sheppard, 19, from Mason, Ohio, and Brittany Bate, 21, from St. Clair Shores, Mich., as they shared a plate of French fries covered with melted cheese last week. [emphasis in bold mine] I look forward to a review from Litt about the design. I know I should wait to see it in action, but the way it addresses Euclid seems like a missed opportunity.
October 1, 201014 yr So the student residences will line Euclid Ave at that point and have essentially zero setback. Great! I couldn't figure out how they were going to build on this land 'til now. I thought they were going to just extend the other side of Euclid Commons down to Euclid Ave. (how the Prospect side looks).
October 1, 201014 yr the siting of this project is so good I have almost forgotten how unattractive the buildings are... almost. :)
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