I agree, what a pathetic whine. At CWRU, we pay twice as much for worse parking. CSU has so many amenities by virtue of being a re-imagined campus, I can't imagine complaining about facilities if I went to CSU. Their gym makes ours look like a joke. Turns out I'm too busy going to school to care much.

 

I actually checked where the South Garage was...that's two blocks, three max to 90% of the buildings? I could do that on crutches in winter without much of a problem.

Except that CSU is a commuter campus first and foremost and has been since its inception.  The parking situation at CSU is exponentially worse now than it was when I last complained about it a few months back.  The writer of that article has a pretty solid fundamental point in that CSU, a commuter school, is really throwing its thousands of currently-enrolled commuter students under the bus to gamble on this residential/retail project.  I don't know if it's really greed-driven, but it's definitely a questionable move.  It may have made much more sense for them to do this project on another part of campus that didn't require removing a significant portion of close parking.

 

The South Garage, besides its distance from campus, also requires students to swipe in/out and it's located next to that dangerous (for pedestrians coming from the garage) RTA station.  It's no wonder that students would much rather drive around for 20-30 minutes looking for a spot elsewhere because that place is a complete PITA and it's really ridiculous that the administration has been trying to sell that as a realistic alternative.

Straight face^^^^^^

CSU is attempting to shed its status as a purely commuter school--deliberately. What they're doing is common sense. CSU has been a great shining spot in the city of Cleveland and are really helping to move their neighborhood forward. Those complaining about what they're doing represents the "old Cleveland" mentality. "Don't inconvenience me".  CSU finally looks and feels like a legitimate campus, and people are bitching about that? My goodness. I agree with the others here that have said basically, "quit yer bellyachin!"

There is NO parking problem at Cleveland State. The south garage is not far away or a hassle. People cant walk a tenth of a mile?! The damn lots are further from the student center than even the middle of the northern lots on chester. And the same distance to just get inside any building. The transit center isn't that busy that it would warrant any safety concerns. The walkway of the transit center is well defined and not intimidating one bit.

 

And for the guy who wants a parking lot not that far from campus, with shuttle service...WAKE UP! The south garage, not that far from the central campus, has access to the free trolly and indoor heated waiting areas who's first stops are the STUDENT CENTER, LAW BUILDING, and URBAN AFFAIRS BUILDING! I mean come on!

 

And the south garage keeps your car dry and snow free. I bet that person on crutches would love having to balance and move around scraping snow and ice off his car. If only they used the south garage!

After some simple Google Earth-ing.... the South Garage was not even 700 feet from the Student Center.... It was $680 a semester to park at Miami.  They had so much parking that it was just gravel lots where people would park so closely you'd have a new dent every single day.  That was the most infuriating article I have ever read, and I feel embarrassed to go to the same school as that editor.  If he doesn't want to walk 700 feet, I'm not sure how he plans on getting through life.  Maybe he can take the rapid like me :-)

When I arrive at Public Square, I'll often choose to walk from there to campus rather than transfer to the E-Line or Healthline. If I'm not in a hurry,  the walk can actually be quite leisurely, even in the cold months. The fact that so many act like walking half that distance is a death sentence boggles my mind. When did "commuter" start meaning physically encumbered?

I did that walk 5 hours ago.  17 blocks of amazing architecture.... Hopefully Cleveland State can add some more amazing architecture to my walk in the future (thought I'd try to get us back on track)

This reminds me of the debacles I've witnessed at Lifetime Fitness in Beachwood.  So-called fitness fanatics battling over a parking space closer to the door.  WTF?  :whip:

 

You're young and active college students at a commuter school.  Park your care and walk 10 minutes.  It will help your body and your mind.

I just wanted to give everyone a little perspective on that article, as I saw the print version today. It was in the back of the Cauldron, in the opinions section, I don't think this is a regular writer. Just makes it a tad better.

 

Oh, and believe me, that RTA station is not dangerous to anyone. There are no blind spots, the buses wont hit you. I bet its 10 times safer than crossing Chester Ave. And seriously, how hard is it to swipe your Viking card into a machine, you are just making excuses.

 

Cleveland State has a commuter presence, and it always will, and should. But if CSU wants to be a competitive first rate institution then it needs to build a campus community. New apartments and shops will always trump surface lots, anyone who disagrees should go to suburbanohio.com

New apartments and shops will always trump surface lots, anyone who disagrees should go to suburbanohio.com

 

I looked for that site but I kept getting redirected to a site that pays homage to guys like Albert S. Porter, Sam Staley, Chris Runyan and Jerry Wray. If you love cities but don't know who those guys are, I encourage you to learn about them.

 

Any updates on any CSU construction projects? There's got to be something happening somewhere thanks to somebody! ;)

A spokesman from the solar company installing panels on the Wolstein is coming to speak to my class next week, I will let you guys know what they say!

Cleveland State has a commuter presence, and it always will, and should. But if CSU wants to be a competitive first rate institution then it needs to build a campus community. New apartments and shops will always trump surface lots, anyone who disagrees should go to suburbanohio.com

 

The address is available.  I'm tempted.    :evil:

You cannot expect people to walk between a quarter- to a half-mile, through ice and cold, with heavy books bearing down on their spine.

Really? You can't? Then why did my high school ask me to either walk 3 miles or find my own ride? Why did the University of Akron when I went there in the 90s? Why did Kent State when my wife went there?

 

I walk over a mile from the federal building 3 nights a week to get to class and it's my favorite part of the day because I get fresh air. Maybe you need to get a little more exercise if you think a quarter mile is too far to walk.

 

I wonder if she would've given me the same answer if I was on crutches.

If you were on crutches and you asked your doctor for a handicapped tag you could use handicapped spaces of which there are plenty.

 

CSU, why are you charging students the same ridiculously high price of $205.25 for a product you're not even capable of delivering?

The parking fee isn't mandatory, I've never paid to park on campus. You're free to take the bus, ride a bike, or walk from your home to school. Or if you insist on driving and you have a problem with that price, park off campus. I'd like to see where you can park for less than that for an entire semester that will be as close as the South Garage.

Any updates on any CSU construction projects? There's got to be something happening somewhere thanks to somebody! ;)

 

Construction is proceeding on the north campus project.  The parking lot paving has been removed, the ground leveled, and I saw cement trucks there this morning so maybe they're pouring footers in the mud pit today. 

^Is the art building staying up for the time being?  Is that another phase?  Am I wrong...isn't that area part of the project?

CSU is attempting to shed its status as a purely commuter school--deliberately. What they're doing is common sense. CSU has been a great shining spot in the city of Cleveland and are really helping to move their neighborhood forward. Those complaining about what they're doing represents the "old Cleveland" mentality. "Don't inconvenience me".  CSU finally looks and feels like a legitimate campus, and people are bitching about that? My goodness. I agree with the others here that have said basically, "quit yer bellyachin!"

 

I love this argument from outsiders who aren't students or faculty who think they know best and want to tell others to put up with dangerous inconveniences in their everyday lives like this!  CSU is a commuter school and will always have a significant commuter enrollment.    That's its identity and role in this region.  I do happen to care about the revitalization of that area, but many students simply do not and will receive no benefit from it after they graduate and/or move away.  It's kind of silly to not listen to them or at least understand why they have a problem with what's going on here. 

There is NO parking problem at Cleveland State. The south garage is not far away or a hassle. People cant walk a tenth of a mile?! The damn lots are further from the student center than even the middle of the northern lots on chester. And the same distance to just get inside any building. The transit center isn't that busy that it would warrant any safety concerns. The walkway of the transit center is well defined and not intimidating one bit.

 

And for the guy who wants a parking lot not that far from campus, with shuttle service...WAKE UP! The south garage, not that far from the central campus, has access to the free trolly and indoor heated waiting areas who's first stops are the STUDENT CENTER, LAW BUILDING, and URBAN AFFAIRS BUILDING! I mean come on!

 

And the south garage keeps your car dry and snow free. I bet that person on crutches would love having to balance and move around scraping snow and ice off his car. If only they used the south garage!

 

I don't know how you can say any of this with a straight face.  I park in the South Garage every day and about half of the time when walking towards campus there is a bus blocking the sidewalk in an attempt to turn left onto E. 22nd.  This happens because E. 22nd tends to get very busy at times and when there is a red light at Prospect, it's nearly impossible for these buses to exit the station.  Therefore as a commuter you get to stand there and wait for the bus to stop blocking the sidewalk or you get to jaywalk across E. 22nd dodging traffic.  At the very least it would have made more sense for the bus station to be closer to Carnegie and the parking garage closer to Prospect (i.e. traded the position of the two).

I love this argument from outsiders who aren't students or faculty who think they know best and want to tell others to put up with dangerous inconveniences in their everyday lives like this!  CSU is a commuter school and will always have a significant commuter enrollment.    That's its identity and role in this region.  I do happen to care about the revitalization of that area, but many students simply do not and will receive no benefit from it after they graduate and/or move away.  It's kind of silly to not listen to them or at least understand why they have a problem with what's going on here. 

 

Those students will also no longer be inconvenienced once they graduate and/or move away.

I just wanted to give everyone a little perspective on that article, as I saw the print version today. It was in the back of the Cauldron, in the opinions section, I don't think this is a regular writer. Just makes it a tad better.

 

Oh, and believe me, that RTA station is not dangerous to anyone. There are no blind spots, the buses wont hit you. I bet its 10 times safer than crossing Chester Ave. And seriously, how hard is it to swipe your Viking card into a machine, you are just making excuses.

 

Cleveland State has a commuter presence, and it always will, and should. But if CSU wants to be a competitive first rate institution then it needs to build a campus community. New apartments and shops will always trump surface lots, anyone who disagrees should go to suburbanohio.com

 

Or I have a better idea...anyone looking for a developed campus with new shops and apartments can go to CWRU.

 

As for the dangers related to the RTA station (which usually has more buses than potential riders most of the time I walk by), please read my above comment.

 

In regards to swiping in/out, I'll complain as long as SG is the only lot that is requiring it.  (FYI, it's also required in part I believe because the administration, trying to squeeze a dime out of a nickel, also likes to use that lot for campus events, even during weekdays during the school year--like Obama last Spring)  But in regards to the swiping, it's a pain for me because like most adult males, I keep my ID in my wallet which is in my pocket which is buried under the seat belt latch.  It's definitely a pain to have to pull it out and put it back twice a day.

Welcome to city life.  For those who don't want to deal with the evils of city life, there's always Hiram.

I love this argument from outsiders who aren't students or faculty who think they know best and want to tell others to put up with dangerous inconveniences in their everyday lives like this!  CSU is a commuter school and will always have a significant commuter enrollment.    That's its identity and role in this region.  I do happen to care about the revitalization of that area, but many students simply do not and will receive no benefit from it after they graduate and/or move away.  It's kind of silly to not listen to them or at least understand why they have a problem with what's going on here. 

 

Those students will also no longer be inconvenienced once they graduate and/or move away.

 

Right.  They won't be around for any of the hypothetical benefits of the development, but they get to bear the brunt of the inconvenience of it now.  These are the types of things schools do that lead their graduates to throw the semi-annual donation requests from their alma mater right into the trash.

Welcome to city life.  For those who don't want to deal with the evils of city life, there's always Hiram.

 

Hiram?  Really, that's your legitimate suggestion as an alternative to CSU?

 

CSU is supposed to serve a mission in this county that no other school serves.  When it stops serving that mission, it can go away.  CSU is NOTHING without its thousands of commuter students, many of whom I know from recent informal discussions are very pissed about this situation.

 

Maybe you're right.  Maybe the people that founded and run CSU should have abandoned the downtown concept decades ago since so few of the students even come from Cleveland.  It's not too late to open up a few REAL satellite campus locations in places like Beachwood, Independence and Westlake and call it a day. 

 

No one goes to CSU because of the "architecture" or the "green space." Or even the "social life."  It's a drive-through degree factory--that's its draw.

Can't they supply bubbles for the students who park in the South Garage to enclose themselves in for the daring trek northward to class?  I'm just throwing this out there because the most simple solutions are easily overlooked far too often...

Can't they supply bubbles for the students who park in the South Garage to enclose themselves in for the daring trek northward to class?  I'm just throwing this out there because the most simple solutions are easily overlooked far too often...

 

Only if the students that use public transportation to get to campus foot the bill.  After all, it's only fair since those that drive to campus subsidize the cost of RTA passes for those that use the bus/train.

@Clevelander17

 

Try walking down E21st. It will make your life/walk a lot easier.

The busses enter that side so the traffic is less frequent, and the path is well defined.

 

No one goes to CSU because of the "architecture" or the "green space." Or even the "social life."

 

Yet.

 

No one goes to CSU because of the "architecture" or the "green space." Or even the "social life."

 

Yet.

 

What about the 10% of students who currently live on or near campus? And that number is growing too. I bet being downtown is huge factor for those students.

Also most colleges dont have 4 large parking garages and several lots. So they aren't ignoring the commuters. CSU will always have a large commuter base, but that doesn't mean they have to ignore people who want to live on campus. Why not have 15,000 commuters, and 15,000 residents? That's more of a benefit to the community and CSU then completely ignoring residents.

 

Edit: I believe there are actually more than 4 garages. Only four are open to commuters though. I believe there is a garage under the Main Classroom, Science Building, and Rec Center for staff, professors, and administration. Also there is a garage under the student center for visitors, and a garage by Euclid Commons for On-Campus residents.

@Clevelander17

 

Try walking down E21st. It will make your life/walk a lot easier.

The busses enter that side so the traffic is less frequent, and the path is well defined.

 

I do, on occasion, but most of the time I'm going to MC or JH, and heading over to 21st means backtracking. 

 

 

Look, I know I'm in the minority on this board, and to some degree I'm playing devil's advocate.  On a personal level, right now these changes are a minor inconvenience, and one that I would gladly put up with if I truly agreed that the larger vision being proposed was really possible.  But I'm not sure I do.

 

I do really wish that Cleveland had its own acclaimed public university with a residential campus that was located near downtown.  Cleveland State (starting with its small-time name) is not that university and I don't think it ever will be.  The demand for such a university does not seem to be there now and having such a university is something that I believe should have/needed to be established in the 19th century.  Why our city fathers never did so is a mystery to me.  But anyways, I don't think now is the time to be trying to change the identity of the school and campus drastically, especially with the way the economy is going and the way the future of higher education is looking. 

 

Cleveland State has settled into a role as a solid, but not great, commuter public university that serves a niche for many Cuyahoga County residents that can't, don't need to, or don't want to go elsewhere outside of the county for bachelor's degrees and above.  The idea that Cleveland State needs to change somewhat significantly is puzzling because it really doesn't jive with the school's role in the community.  I get the impression that for many folks on here, CSU is just a small part of a real-life game of "SimCity-Northeast Ohio" and the stories of how real-life people are dealing with the effects of the changes to campus are completely irrelevant.  I just don't think that's really fair because this is not what these people signed up for.  If these people (myself included) wanted the real campus experience (with parking headaches, long walks, and all) they wouldn't have come to CSU.  CSU is what it is and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

No one goes to CSU because of the "architecture" or the "green space." Or even the "social life."  It's a drive-through degree factory--that's its draw.

 

We recently had a discussion in my marketing class about improving the appeal of CSU in the region. It's a large class and by far the most frequent responses from students regarded "campus feel" and "campus life"... more things to do on campus, a more social atmosphere, wider selection of restaurants/shops, more recreational spots, etc., so I don't think you speak for all students.

 

Universities don't aspire to be seen as commuter colleges that students only attend for low enrollment standards and cheap tuition, so obviously if CSU feels they're in a position to improve they'll make an effort to do so. Given increased campus occupancy rates, increased enrollment, and interest in the North Campus project, their efforts would appear to be more than just shots in the dark.

And more to the point, nobody is telling students to stop driving, and there is still ample, affordable parking located very close to campus, that "real people" can use.  Clevelander17, it's not folks here don't get it that real people are affected, it's more that we're busy looking for the world's tiniest violin because the actual inconvenience, though real, seems so minor.

If CSU was actually completely disregarding, and ignoring the needs of their commuters, which most of their current students are, then yes, I would agree with you that it is a problem. But they aren't demolishing all their garages, and telling the majority of their students to deal with it and find parking elsewhere, move, or take the bus. Most of their students still have access to skywalk connected garages, right on campus. The rest can park in a brand new garage, only a short distance from the student center, which is connected with skywalks to pretty much every other building. Also in the near future, the viking hall site may be redeveloped and the South Garage will be even more convient to many additional students, who will prefer parking there.

 

Also I said before, the south garage is served by the free trolley which drops students off right at the students center's, law building's and urban affairs buildings doors. Which basically also serves the main classroom, music building, business building, and then all other buildings further with the use of the interlinks.

IMO as a CSU student, CSU has for most of its existence been primarily a commuter school. The commuter students are its bread and butter. There's nothing wrong with the school trying to diversify and become more of a traditional residential university but it needs to keep in mind that many of its students prefer the old model and the university needs to at least be sensitive to their wants. If they ignore their commuter students they risk having those students commute another school or go to an online school. I'm ok with the school trying to appeal to a different demographic, but don't throw out current model in the process.

 

I don't think there should be much of a problem with walking from the south garage, it seems a small inconvenience at most, but if a significant number of students do think that it is a problem, perhaps the university should keep that in mind before they close any other lots. Perhaps they need to consider adding another parking deck or expanding an existing one. I don't think we should make too big of a deal out of a bunch of students being annoyed, but if the University isn't paying attention and isn't listening to them, that could become a big deal.

IMO as a CSU student, CSU has for most of its existence been primarily a commuter school. The commuter students are its bread and butter. There's nothing wrong with the school trying to diversify and become more of a traditional residential university but it needs to keep in mind that many of its students prefer the old model and the university needs to at least be sensitive to their wants. If they ignore their commuter students they risk having those students commute another school or go to an online school. I'm ok with the school trying to appeal to a different demographic, but don't throw out current model in the process.

 

I don't think there should be much of a problem with walking from the south garage, it seems a small inconvenience at most, but if a significant number of students do think that it is a problem, perhaps the university should keep that in mind before they close any other lots. Perhaps they need to consider adding another parking deck or expanding an existing one. I don't think we should make too big of a deal out of a bunch of students being annoyed, but if the University isn't paying attention and isn't listening to them, that could become a big deal.

 

Its mainly just people stuck in their ways. Next year a new freshman class will arrive, never accustomed to parking north of chester, and the South Garage will be just part of their experience, and they wont think anything of it. This will continue for the next couple years. Older students will either continue to bitch, or just adjust. But eventually they will all graduate, transfer, or drop out and the issue will die.

^This.  The issue is definitely NOT that CSU is becoming unfriendly to commuters, it's that this change made things marginally less convenient for those current students accustomed to 300 specific parking spaces.

Wow.  I walked from the West Flats to work, then to CSU while I was earning my masters degree...at least for the majority of the time.  Certainly quite a bit farther than the on campus south garage!  I did ride my bike or take the trolley on occasion.  In the summer I mostly walked though.

 

Oddly enough, the CFO for CSU lives in my building and walked to work most days too.

 

Oh-by-the-way...I said "majority of the time" because I had microfracture surgery on my right knee the second week of my first semester.  Not allowed to put weight on my leg for 8 weeks.  4-5 months of rehab overall.  They have these things called "handicapped parking spaces" you can park in that make life a lot easier.

 

The future value of my degree is dependent on how well the current students perform.  Please don't disappoint me.

And more to the point, nobody is telling students to stop driving, and there is still ample, affordable parking located very close to campus, that "real people" can use.  Clevelander17, it's not folks here don't get it that real people are affected, it's more that we're busy looking for the world's tiniest violin because the actual inconvenience, though real, seems so minor.

 

This just reinforces what I was saying.  You and others, most of whom don't have to deal with any of the issues presented by these changes, have no problem brushing them off.  It's completely disingenuous.  It would be like me coming to your neighborhood or where you work and making big changes to your daily routine for some esoteric plan that you may or may not agree with and saying that your opinion is irrelevant.

IMO as a CSU student, CSU has for most of its existence been primarily a commuter school. The commuter students are its bread and butter. There's nothing wrong with the school trying to diversify and become more of a traditional residential university but it needs to keep in mind that many of its students prefer the old model and the university needs to at least be sensitive to their wants. If they ignore their commuter students they risk having those students commute another school or go to an online school. I'm ok with the school trying to appeal to a different demographic, but don't throw out current model in the process.

 

I don't think there should be much of a problem with walking from the south garage, it seems a small inconvenience at most, but if a significant number of students do think that it is a problem, perhaps the university should keep that in mind before they close any other lots. Perhaps they need to consider adding another parking deck or expanding an existing one. I don't think we should make too big of a deal out of a bunch of students being annoyed, but if the University isn't paying attention and isn't listening to them, that could become a big deal.

 

Its mainly just people stuck in their ways. Next year a new freshman class will arrive, never accustomed to parking north of chester, and the South Garage will be just part of their experience, and they wont think anything of it. This will continue for the next couple years. Older students will either continue to bitch, or just adjust. But eventually they will all graduate, transfer, or drop out and the issue will die.

 

And then CSU will get the idea that this deviation from their roots is acceptable and periodically eliminate more of its convenient parking garages to get in on the big game of SimsCity-Northeast Ohio.  I can only imagine what they're cookie up for the spaces that is the Communications lot which is in the heart of campus.

 

If they were really listening to the needs of students, they'd just go ahead and tear down the old Viking Hall and make that block a parking garage.  Heck it would even line up almost perfectly for a skywalk that connected to the student center. 

The future value of my degree is dependent on how well the current students perform.  Please don't disappoint me.

 

My understanding from your past posts is that this doesn't really matter, but if that's really the case, then you may have picked the wrong school.  Regardless I don't know what point you're getting at as it relates to this discussion. 

It seems as though every two months or so this thread goes on and on debating parking at CSU which I guess is "marginally" related to CSU development, but I really don't know how much more can be said on the topic.

 

It appears this go around it has turned into nasty debate about he value of the school as an educational institution in and of itself (at least in one poster's mind).  Sometimes I don't know how these threads evolve like this.

I can only imagine what they're cookie up for the spaces that is the Communications lot which is in the heart of campus

 

You are really concerned about the 15 or so handicap spaces? That lot was always intended to be temporary.

 

If they were really listening to the needs of students, they'd just go ahead and tear down the old Viking Hall and make that block a parking garage.  Heck it would even line up almost perfectly for a skywalk that connected to the student center. 

 

OH GOD!!!! I hope your joking!

 

There is no need for a large parking garage fronting euclid, or another large parking garage at all really. Secondly we do NOT need a skywalk crossing Euclid Avenue!

 

Also, did this real quick on google maps. South Garage is actually more convient in most situations.

http://g.co/maps/ur42n

IMO as a CSU student, CSU has for most of its existence been primarily a commuter school. The commuter students are its bread and butter. There's nothing wrong with the school trying to diversify and become more of a traditional residential university but it needs to keep in mind that many of its students prefer the old model and the university needs to at least be sensitive to their wants. If they ignore their commuter students they risk having those students commute another school or go to an online school. I'm ok with the school trying to appeal to a different demographic, but don't throw out current model in the process.

 

I don't think there should be much of a problem with walking from the south garage, it seems a small inconvenience at most, but if a significant number of students do think that it is a problem, perhaps the university should keep that in mind before they close any other lots. Perhaps they need to consider adding another parking deck or expanding an existing one. I don't think we should make too big of a deal out of a bunch of students being annoyed, but if the University isn't paying attention and isn't listening to them, that could become a big deal.

 

Its mainly just people stuck in their ways. Next year a new freshman class will arrive, never accustomed to parking north of chester, and the South Garage will be just part of their experience, and they wont think anything of it. This will continue for the next couple years. Older students will either continue to bitch, or just adjust. But eventually they will all graduate, transfer, or drop out and the issue will die.

 

And then CSU will get the idea that this deviation from their roots is acceptable and periodically eliminate more of its convenient parking garages to get in on the big game of SimsCity-Northeast Ohio.  I can only imagine what they're cookie up for the spaces that is the Communications lot which is in the heart of campus.

 

If they were really listening to the needs of students, they'd just go ahead and tear down the old Viking Hall and make that block a parking garage.  Heck it would even line up almost perfectly for a skywalk that connected to the student center. 

 

Yes, but unfortunately 18-22 year olds don't have the best long term decision making ability.  I know for sure I didn't and I would think you may agree in that regard. 

 

And really I can't believe you are actually complaining about the walk from the south garage to campus.  That time since walking down to class (and back again) from Stuart Hall at UD must have softened you. 

Both sides have good points here and I think both interests can be accommodated.  Many schools are transitioning from commuter to residential these days.  Shouldn't be too hard to strike a proper balance going forward.

I went to CSU my first year, then Ohio State to graduate.  Im pretty sure you can fit the majority of CSUs campus on Ohio State's oval.

 

My point: quit crying.  Walking is part of the college experience.

I went to CSU my first year, then Ohio State to graduate.  Im pretty sure you can fit the majority of CSUs campus on Ohio State's oval.

 

My point: quit crying.  Walking is part of the college experience.

I couldn't agree more. I can't believe the resistance to positive change. That is one of the biggest problems in this town: people who are so hooked on the "way things always been" that they resist change that everybody else sees as common sense. Disturbing. CSU is doing what they need to do to change the perception of their university. No university (NOT ONE) desires to be known as a "commuter school". I'm not saying to completely disregard the commuters. They should never do that. But they should be commended for doing the things that they've done on their campus. They should be commended for Campus Village. They should be commended for their strategy. Complaining about CSU's positive growth is like rejecting an iPod for an 8-track tape. Get out of the stone age and come to the 21st century! Give me a break.

Im sure this thread will be locked soon, and all these posts deleted, but I just want to say one thing to Clevlander17 before that happens.

 

You have a bad attitude, that defeatist attitude that is keeping CSU down. Amongst some of the most impressive campus developments in CSU's history, and amongst record breaking GPA enrollments for this college, it is students like you who give CSU a bad name. It seems like you have no faith in your own university, and when you graduate from this "drive through degree factory" as you call it, your potential employers will see that you have no confidence in the school that awarded you your degree, and pass you by for a student with some respect for his university.

 

Maybe you wont send in a $5 check to the alumni association because of this parking issue, but my guess is you abandoned CSU before you stepped into your first class.

 

 

Maybe he wrote the article

@KJP, for an update...

 

Took this over a week ago. Never got around to posting it.