July 30, 201410 yr Wasn't there a dormitory/apartments proposed near E17th and Euclid by a developer about a year ago? I rememeber seeing renderrings of a 10ish story building near the referenced location.
July 30, 201410 yr 2150 E 18th Street is the address for the Frangos Group. In the 1970s and 80s, this building was the Mad Hatter nightclub. Read a history of it (especially the personal experiences in posts following the article and photos).... http://tebeau304.clevelandhistory.org/2012/04/15/the-mad-hatter-discotheque/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 31, 201410 yr More finalized renderings now up on the University Architect's website: http://www.csuohio.edu/architect/center-for-innovation-in-health-professions Also, Basketball Family Room Renovations: http://www.csuohio.edu/architect/wolstein-basketball-family-room-renovations
July 31, 201410 yr ^Still hate it. Looks like a copy of the law building...only lighter brick and worse interaction with the sidewalk...and ruining a strong street wall on the south side of Euclid.
July 31, 201410 yr Looking at the rendering the setback appears greater than it actually is. Once you put in the tree lawn and the sidewalk it's not as far back as I thought. http://www.csuohio.edu/webcam/cihp.html
July 31, 201410 yr :? Well maybe we can knock it down in 5-10 years and try again. If it was a Frank Gehry building that would be justifiable. :?
August 1, 201410 yr 2150 E 18th Street is the address for the Frangos Group. In the 1970s and 80s, this building was the Mad Hatter nightclub. Read a history of it (especially the personal experiences in posts following the article and photos).... http://tebeau304.clevelandhistory.org/2012/04/15/the-mad-hatter-discotheque/ oooooooooooo Lord....the Mad Hatter! Lord have Mercy! That was a fun place.
August 4, 201410 yr Looking at the rendering the setback appears greater than it actually is. Once you put in the tree lawn and the sidewalk it's not as far back as I thought. http://www.csuohio.edu/webcam/cihp.html Then why even have the setback at all? I remember in the planning meeting the architect mentioned programming the space, but I don't see people hanging out at that spot. What would influence people to use that space? It's a grass lawn with benches lining the sidewalk, nothing invites you to use the grass lawn. Do we really need more of that on campus?
August 4, 201410 yr Such a terrible design. They could have had four buildings built in phases, one facing each street, with a central courtyard that would have been used a lot. Instead you have one ugly building taking up an entire block with random grass lots that nobody will use.
August 13, 201410 yr Good news for the Langston Goodman Real Estate Services Group brings Indian restaurant to Cleveland Goodman Real Estate Services Group of Cleveland recently completed a deal bringing Chapati Indian Grill to the Langston Building at Cleveland State University in Cleveland. Stephen Taylor, senior associate with Goodman, represented Chapati in this transaction. http://www.rejournals.com/2014/07/21/goodman-real-estate-services-group-brings-indian-restaurant-to-cleveland/
August 14, 201410 yr Love me some Indians food. Will have to check this out once it's up and running.
August 16, 201410 yr Love me some Indians food It's the Stadium Mustard which really sets it apart. Yes Lord! Once I give a NYer Cleveland Mustard, they are hooked.
August 17, 201410 yr Love me some Indians food It's the Stadium Mustard which really sets it apart. Yes Lord! Once I give a NYer Cleveland Mustard, they are hooked. I'm in California right now visiting family and have had at least three occasions where I desperately tried to find something close to stadium mustard. No luck.
August 18, 201410 yr This is a CMSD project but it's on the CSU campus so I think it belongs here. It does not give an exact location. Some may know of it already. Campus International School Project Overview A. Project Description •Build one (1) new Elementary/Middle/School to house 720 students in grades K-8. •The building is to be approximately 91,783 sf. built in accordance with the Ohio School Design Manual. •It is anticipated that the new building is to be built on the CSU campus on a site of about 2.5 acres to be determined. •The School follows the international baccalaureate program model. •It is anticipated that the students will continue to use CSU’s facilities for gym class. •It is anticipated that some form of Educational Visioning will be undertaken early in the process. •The Owner understands that the desired schedule is aggressive and is looking for creative ideas from the design and construction team. •The existing Segment 6 Project Agreement between the District and OSFC will be amended to include this project
August 19, 201410 yr There really isn't a request to potential bidders, nor does it specify much in the way of architectural or engineering standards. Maybe a request for an owners rep??? Sounds more like a press release then anything. I so love the concept though. That's a good sized school!
August 19, 201410 yr This is a CMSD project but it's on the CSU campus so I think it belongs here. It does not give an exact location. Some may know of it already. Are there any remaining historic buildings that can be torn down to provide a site for this school?
August 19, 201410 yr This is a CMSD project but it's on the CSU campus so I think it belongs here. It does not give an exact location. Some may know of it already. Are there any remaining historic buildings that can be torn down to provide a site for this school? Not only historic, but Im guessing any building that is up against the street and without a lawn will be targeted for tear down. CSU needs to ramp it up in the face of competition from the Clinic for who can bring the suburbs to the city the fastest!
August 19, 201410 yr This is a CMSD project but it's on the CSU campus so I think it belongs here. It does not give an exact location. Some may know of it already. Are there any remaining historic buildings that can be torn down to provide a site for this school? The old Third District police station!! Historic? (check), Architecturally significant? (check), Built up to the sidewalk? (check)......RIP IT TO SHREDS
August 19, 201410 yr This is a CMSD project but it's on the CSU campus so I think it belongs here. It does not give an exact location. Some may know of it already. Are there any remaining historic buildings that can be torn down to provide a site for this school? The old Third District police station!! Historic? (check), Architecturally significant? (check), Built up to the sidewalk? (check)......RIP IT TO SHREDS I hope not. One of my favorites in Cleveland!
August 19, 201410 yr Don't worry folks. The police station is a designated landmark. The city would never allow it to be demolished. (joke) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/listDetail.php?identity=32
October 10, 201410 yr Hmm... RFQ/AE: Tennis Court Pavilion & Dome (Cleveland State Univ) Valuation: $1,200,000 Owner Type: Public Location: OH (Cuyahoga) Report #: 201400663739 v. 1 Dodge Report Dodge BidPro Report Description: Cleveland State University will be renovating and improving existing tennis courts on the NW corner of Chester Avenue and E. 21st Street in Cleveland, Ohio. The existing six (6) asphalt courts are currently located within a fence enclosure and are open to the elements. As part of the renovation, the University would like to maximize the use of the tennis courts during all seasons by enclosing the courts with an engineered, air-supported ?bubble? structure. This air-supported structure is anticipated to be left up year round to facilitate better scheduling, evening play, and potential tournament play.It is envisioned that the project will construct at least two (2) architectural screen walls that face Chester Avenue and E.21st Street to integrate with the architectural urban fabric of the street, thus screening the air-supported structure on these two sides. Additional foundations will be necessary to support the air-supported structure. Court resurfacing, new court equipment, divider curtains, new electrical service, lighting, cooling, heating, signage, bleachers and new landscaping will also be necessary to produce a showcase facility for the University.As part of this project, Cleveland State University has received a transformational donor gift that helps make this renovation possible. The donor will be an integral part of the design and construction process, as well as provide insighton acceptance of the final design and graphics within and around the facility.<<
October 23, 201410 yr ^Here ya go ;D Cleveland State University will install dome over tennis courts with gift from Medical Mutual Cleveland State University will install a dome to create an all-season tennis facility with a $1.4 million gift from Medical Mutual of Ohio. The gift will allow the university to cover its six tennis courts on East 21st Street with a seasonal dome and install mechanical systems to provide heat, air and insulation for year-round play. It will be similar to the dome that covers the university's soccer field. In recognition of the contribution, the new facility will be named the Medical Mutual Tennis Pavilion. CSU said it will be the only school in the Horizon League to have an on-campus, indoor tennis facility for its men's and women's teams. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/10/cleveland_state_university_wil_4.html#incart_river
October 23, 201410 yr Oh my, that huge ad---one of the worst brand placements i've ever seen in my life.
October 23, 201410 yr Are they building that in Solon? Westlake? Brecksville? Why do we in Cleveland hate urban design so much?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 23, 201410 yr Are they building that in Solon? Westlake? Brecksville? Why do we in Cleveland hate urban design so much?? This makes no sense. These tennis courts ready exist. CSU is just placing a dome over it. It's not like a block of buildings was torn down and this is replacing it.
October 23, 201410 yr ^I agree with KJP. The courts already exist, but when you stick a dome over the top, the courts become separated from the street. At the very least you can no longer see people playing, so it detracts from the liveliness of the area. (Also, First Post!)
October 23, 201410 yr ^It's a seasonal dome. In other words, it will only be up during the winter months, just like the dome over the soccer field.
October 23, 201410 yr Are they building that in Solon? Westlake? Brecksville? Why do we in Cleveland hate urban design so much?? It's already built as so in the image posted. Their putting the dome over top of it for the winter.
October 23, 201410 yr ^It's a seasonal dome. In other words, it will only be up during the winter months, just like the dome over the soccer field. Well, in that case, I have no issue (aside from the branding.) Reading more carefully certainly helps.
October 23, 201410 yr I think the facility is oddly designed if it were the case that the courts are completely obscured when the dome is not erected. Hopefully we can see a summer season rendering some time soon.
October 23, 201410 yr Welcome jeremyhz! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 23, 201410 yr ^I agree with KJP. The courts already exist, but when you stick a dome over the top, the courts become separated from the street. At the very least you can no longer see people playing, so it detracts from the liveliness of the area. (Also, First Post!) Welcome to the forum. Can you see the players playing without the dome. I fail to see how the dome would block any line of sight, other than a bird's eye view for those wanting to fly a drone over the courts. I don't like the design due to the logo. Other than that, it seems like a better option than year-round indoor courts. What do urban-designed tennis courts even look like? I am having a hard time imagining that. Some things probably just are not amenable to urban design...... golf courses, airport runways, paper mills, etc.
October 23, 201410 yr ^Clearly the tennis courts should be built to the street and have first floor retail :wink:
October 23, 201410 yr First floor retail is a must! Seriously though, I'm a student at Michigan (say what you'd like) so my perceptions are based off what I know here on campus. We have an area called the Hill that has several residential buildings and some research buildings surrounding a green space/park called Palmer Commons. Obviously this is not even remotely comparable, but I do know that people are constantly using these courts and it adds the feeling of life to the area (but again, hard to compare a park to a lot.) When I originally posted I just reacted to my distaste for the dome, without realizing that it is seasonal. Having paid more attention now, I see that the courts are surrounded by bushes right now anyway, and obviously courts don't really lend themselves to urban design well. Edit: I'd say that this also shouldn't be controversial at all. It is just an already existing set of tennis courts...
October 23, 201410 yr Welcome jeremyhz! You bring up a valid comparison. Cleveland State has built several new dorms in the past 5 to 10 years, and maybe, looking back, the designs did not incorporate enough recreational uses such as Tennis Courts or Soccer Fields. I thought the new Rec Center at CSU should have incorporated dorms, but it didn't. That said, now were left with placing a dome over existing tennis courts. While the design may not be the greatest, and it doesn't create an urban environment, it's what exists, and the school is making the best use of it. Case Western did a project called the North Residential Village about 9 or 10 years ago that looks very similar to the image above.
October 23, 201410 yr ^I actually thought that was the North Residential Village at first. Also, at one point CSU's master plan called for dormitories much like this surrounding a baseball field. Anyone know if this is still part of the planning, maybe a phase 2 of the Langston?
October 23, 201410 yr Also worth pointing out that the odd orientation of the courts vis-a-vis Chester is necessitated by the geography of that block, so that weird triangular lawn is not intentional. I understand jeremy's point though. It's always nice to take advantage of opportunities to liven up our sidewalks by making activity on adjacent lots visible, especially in parts of downtown that can feel pretty empty. There just wasn't such an opportunity in this case.
October 23, 201410 yr ^I actually thought that was the North Residential Village at first. Also, at one point CSU's master plan called for dormitories much like this surrounding a baseball field. Anyone know if this is still part of the planning, maybe a phase 2 of the Langston? It was and still is part of the Master Plan; that is, unless the current update changes it. Regardless, the plan was and will always be for private developers to initiate the housing.
October 24, 201410 yr What is behind that wall and windows surrounding the tennis courts? Is it offices? Or just a false front? Either way, why shouldn't it be up against the sidewalk? With the amount of grass CSU has around its structures, CSU should be seeking scholarship sponsors from Scotts, Toro and others. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 24, 201410 yr What is behind that wall and windows surrounding the tennis courts? Is it offices? Or just a false front? Either way, why shouldn't it be up against the sidewalk? With the amount of grass CSU has around its structures, CSU should be seeking scholarship sponsors from Scotts, Toro and others. If you look at the current tennis courts, it's already setback at an angle from the street. They are simply surrounding the existing courts with a building of the exact same shape.
October 24, 201410 yr What is behind that wall and windows surrounding the tennis courts? Is it offices? Or just a false front? Either way, why shouldn't it be up against the sidewalk? With the amount of grass CSU has around its structures, CSU should be seeking scholarship sponsors from Scotts, Toro and others. After doing a 360 view, it seems like the picture is the E 21st and Chester view. They seem to be just putting up walls with some brick. Question because I can't remember. Is the baseball field still there or is it just grass now?
October 24, 201410 yr What is behind that wall and windows surrounding the tennis courts? Is it offices? Or just a false front? Either way, why shouldn't it be up against the sidewalk? With the amount of grass CSU has around its structures, CSU should be seeking scholarship sponsors from Scotts, Toro and others. Behind the wall are the tennis courts. If the dome is going to be the same type as over the soccer field, then it will start just inside the fencing of the court area. The only question will be the location of the airlock doors and the mechanicals.
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