>Casinos- is there a certain demographic that casinos appeal to the most?

 

Suckers.

 

unless they are playing poker: no house.

Poker is a game of skill, not a game of chance.  That's why poker tournaments are legal and there is a a poker-only casino in Los Angeles. 

US Bank could be used while a new arena is under construction and if the team is decent again they wouldn't have too much trouble selling out US Bank - it's only 1 or 2,000 more seats than 5/3rd, right?

 

Based on the last couple of years, they'd certainly have trouble selling out US Bank arena.  The Bearcats have not been close to selling out home games on a regular basis recently. 

It's been discussed repeatedly on sports sites -- we don't have the demographics to support a third pro sports team. There is only so much discretionary income in a given area that can be spent on sports and entertainment and we're borderline. Suddenly you're diluting the pool for luxury boxes for the Reds and Bengals and if it's NBA hurting local college basketball. Plus county taxpayers are on the hook for yet another sports facility.

 

Winning brings fans.  It is incredibly easy to make the playoffs in the NBA, ask Cleveland.  You limit yourself when you feel that every reason why something can't happen is justified and not worth challenging.  Isn't this the streetcar debate that everyone is in favor of?  I highly doubt Cincinnati is too small for a pro basketball team especially considering the love for hoops here.  And don't give me the college-pro thing because that's preposterous.  This city needs to be more well-rounded if it wants to be what it thinks it can be, and that's a bonafide cosmopolitan arena that directly competes with Chicago.  What does Chicago have on Cincinnati?  The Bulls, the L and the cleanliness.

Well everyone.  Issue 3 passed which means Ohio is getting it's well-deserved casinos.  So, in light of this fantastic progression, I think this particular thread will be seeing MUCH more life in the coming year.  You'll have to pardon my sudden rush of excitement but I think you all can back me up;)

Love it!!

 

So, in light of this fantastic progression, I think this particular thread will be seeing MUCH more life in the coming year

The Main Street Thread and Cincinnati Nightlife both are going to be kicking into high gear.  NEON'S is already preparing.

I'm glad the casino issue passed, and I voted for it, but do you think that the casino might actually hurt some of the existing businesses in Downtown and OTR?

OTR will never be the same after tonight.  And I believe and mean that in a good way!!!

Edale, existing businesses will definitely be affected but in a GOOD way.  That entire area is pretty much dormant with the exception of the Greyhound station(which actually should see a significant boom in ridership)  Oakie you're right, OTR will never be the same and hopefully this will spark development in those disgusting looking lots across the street from Vinyl.  Yuk.  So much could happen right there.  This is a great time everyone! stuff is truly shanging around here for the better.

I expect the greyhound station to be relocated somewhere else instead of being incorporated into the design. 

One more interesting tidbit is that the president of Penn Gaming, David Wilmott, predicted all four casinos in Ohio would be built within 2 years.  What do you all think?

I'm glad the casino issue passed, and I voted for it, but do you think that the casino might actually hurt some of the existing businesses in Downtown and OTR?

 

Heck no.  Look at Detroit for a case example on an urban casino and the impact of it bringing people into downtown.  Even if a couple of people step outside the casino, it's bringing more into the downtown area and potentially could "stay" at an OTR bar or whatnot.

So excuse my ignorance, but is Broadway commons the determined location for where the casino is going to be built?  Or are there other possible locations being considered as well?

 

I'm glad the casino issue passed, and I voted for it, but do you think that the casino might actually hurt some of the existing businesses in Downtown and OTR?

 

Heck no. Look at Detroit for a case example on an urban casino and the impact of it bringing people into downtown. Even if a couple of people step outside the casino, it's bringing more into the downtown area and potentially could "stay" at an OTR bar or whatnot.

 

What about people that would have gone to FS, Rock Bottom, etc. but now go to the Casino?  You would think that would hurt the downtown business owners.

 

Also, wasn't a group that opposed Issue 3 made up of local downtown business owners?  I could be making that up but I thought I heard that.

^Sure, you'll have some of that.  But chances are that this will be offset by people from out of town or the suburbs who otherwise wouldn't go downtown at all.  Some of the casino traffic should spill over into hotels, restaurants, bars, etc.  Also, people don't go to Fountain Square to gamble, so those that are only interested in drinking or a nice meal will still go to Fountain Square.

Of course people don't go to FS to gamble, there isn't gambling there. But people will now choose between going to FS for some fun, or going to the casino for some fun. 

 

Haven't there been independent studies showing that there isn't a net gain with a casino?  People drive in, park in the mega parking lot, gamble their money away, and drive back home.

It looks like our law firm's free parking benefit at Broadway Commons will be going bye-bye.  Not that I had to use it  :evil:

^how will the casino affect traffic and parking in this area? is it going to require changes to 71 or the surrounding streets?

Of course people don't go to FS to gamble, there isn't gambling there. But people will now choose between going to FS for some fun, or going to the casino for some fun.

 

Yeah.  So if I'm going out to have a few drinks and wasn't planning on gambling, why would I choose to go to a casino over FS?  This seems a bit like saying that the Reds are drawing people away from FS, because people choose between going to FS for some fun, or going to a Reds game for some fun.  What's the difference?

Of course people don't go to FS to gamble, there isn't gambling there. But people will now choose between going to FS for some fun, or going to the casino for some fun. 

 

Yeah.  So if I'm going out to have a few drinks and wasn't planning on gambling, why would I choose to go to a casino over FS?  This seems a bit like saying that the Reds are drawing people away from FS, because people choose between going to FS for some fun, or going to a Reds game for some fun.  What's the difference?

 

The difference is people going to the Reds game go to FS before hand and afterwards, otherwise they wouldn't go to FS at all...That is the whole value of a sports franchise.  When people go to the casino, do they go to restaurants, bars, etc before/after they go to the Casino?  If yes, then it may be a good idea (ignoring the crime aspect).  If no, there is the huge difference between the Reds and a casino.

Work on casino design, rules to start quickly

No temporary casinos likely before 2012 openings

By Alexander Coolidge, Cincinnati Enquirer, November 4, 2009

 

With Ohio voters approving four casinos across the state – including one in downtown Cincinnati – lawmakers now have six months to enact a regulations that will govern how they are run.

 

Ohio becomes the 13th state to permit full-blown casinos after voters were promised 34,000 new jobs amid recession and more than $650 million in annual tax revenue. Neither of those promises can happen until regulations are hammered out and licenses issued to casino operators.

I'm glad the casino issue passed, and I voted for it, but do you think that the casino might actually hurt some of the existing businesses in Downtown and OTR?

 

Heck no. Look at Detroit for a case example on an urban casino and the impact of it bringing people into downtown. Even if a couple of people step outside the casino, it's bringing more into the downtown area and potentially could "stay" at an OTR bar or whatnot.

 

What about people that would have gone to FS, Rock Bottom, etc. but now go to the Casino? You would think that would hurt the downtown business owners.

 

Also, wasn't a group that opposed Issue 3 made up of local downtown business owners? I could be making that up but I thought I heard that.

 

I highly doubt the folks going to the casino are going just "ditch" Fountain Square.  It isn't coincidental that Campus Martius in Detroit became a thriving public square when the MGM and Greektown casinos were finished due to "free parking."  And last time I checked, the Boardwalk in Atlantic City is still used, regardless of the casinos.  Cincinnati will be just fine.  The casino is simply another option to bring people back into the Basin.  Families can use the Square; others can use the casino; I can use the buffet :D.

Also, wasn't a group that opposed Issue 3 made up of local downtown business owners?

I never heard of them, but I was part of a group of owners that supported it.

 

The casino is simply another option to bring people back into the Basin.

That is absolutely correct. People venue hop with a casino just as they do with any other entertainment venue and this is just one more venue to hop to and from.  Plus, think of the workers.  They will eat somewhere, drink somewhere, sleep somewhere and now Cincy has the opportunity to fill the needs of a few thousand more people.  Certainly a few thousand more than the parking lot provided at Broadway Commons.

At any time in Lawrenceburg, you can see different types of people.  You can identify people who are there after the reds games, both from Cincy or from outside the area.  On weekends, you can see the kids who are there on "date night" for a few hours.  Other times you can see the regulars, who really aren't doing much else.

 

People will continue to do other things!  For the most part, they will not live at the casino.

I'd say the Reds might be the biggest winner in this. The team is so reliant on fans from a couple hours out, esp. Western Ohio, Kentucky, and W.V.. This will provide a great addition to the weekend trip for some of those fans, since KY still doesn't have casinos and Western Ohio doesn't have them either.

Good, I hope you guys are right.  I'm skeptical as I know people that have been born and raised in Lawrenceburg and they don't like casino's and the riffraff it brings.  But it was voted on and now I have to suck it up.  And I guess while I'm at it I may as well play a few hands of poker.

 

Are there the same urban design boards and all that stuff that went into the design of the Banks buildings? Or is the casino going to be allowed to build whatever cookie cutter they want?

I know it has been discussed but is there an on-site hotel planned for BC with the casino? 

 

Also, the traffic issue: For four wheelers getting out seems like it will be alot easier than getting in.  Liberty Street and Reading Road will provide easy access to 71/75 out.  Getting in...hmmm...

I'd say the Reds might be the biggest winner in this. The team is so reliant on fans from a couple hours out, esp. Western Ohio, Kentucky, and W.V.. This will provide a great addition to the weekend trip for some of those fans, since KY still doesn't have casinos and Western Ohio doesn't have them either.

 

Come in from out of town. Park once. Ride the streetcar to the Reds game, the Banks, the Casino. Sounds like a fun weekend.

I know it has been discussed but is there an on-site hotel planned for BC with the casino?

 

No

I sure wish there was a sportsbook.

 

Are there the same urban design boards and all that stuff that went into the design of the Banks buildings? Or is the casino going to be allowed to build whatever cookie cutter they want?

 

The cincinnati.com link above mentioned that the casino operator is voluntarily going through the design board process though he is not required since he will not be receiving significant government funding

 

Are there the same urban design boards and all that stuff that went into the design of the Banks buildings? Or is the casino going to be allowed to build whatever cookie cutter they want?

 

The cincinnati.com link above mentioned that the casino operator is voluntarily going through the design board process though he is not required since he will not be receiving significant government funding

 

He won't be required to because the Constitution essentially lets him do whatever he wants with the parcel now

They will get to build what they want, so long as it conforms to zoning and municipal code, just like anyone else anywhere building anything on their own land gets to.  That said, who is the architect for the casino? 

In my opinion, the trick will be for these cities in Ohio to embrace the casinos as civic assets.

 

Basically, we should demand Monaco, NOT Orlando.

 

 

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They will get to build what they want, so long as it conforms to zoning and municipal code, just like anyone else anywhere building anything on their own land gets to. That said, who is the architect for the casino?

 

I beleive they are exempted from Zoning Code.

Good, I hope you guys are right. I'm skeptical as I know people that have been born and raised in Lawrenceburg and they don't like casino's and the riffraff it brings.

 

What riffraff has the casinos brought in Indiana?

Seniors that take two slot machines when the boats are packed. I had to elbow a few of them.

I know it has been discussed but is there an on-site hotel planned for BC with the casino?

 

No

 

They promised they wouldn't build one for at least 5 years. But then I just remember the Crowne Plaza Hotel now sits empty. Let's have them bring that back to it's former glory.

Good, I hope you guys are right.  I'm skeptical as I know people that have been born and raised in Lawrenceburg and they don't like casino's and the riffraff it brings. 

 

What riffraff has the casinos brought in Indiana?

 

The funny thing is he is probably referring to residents of Cincinnati who travel to Lawrenceburg!

^ :laugh:  Those terrible people from Cincinnati who are spending money!

Let's face it, we all know who they are referring to!

I know it has been discussed but is there an on-site hotel planned for BC with the casino?

 

Maybe this will reinvigorate the 8th and Sycamore Hotel project (not sure if that is the correct intersection, but you know what I am talking about).

 

Also, as far as design, I will bet my life that the City, community, Urban Design Review Board and others will be all over the design to make sure it fits in the neighborhood and site as much as possible.  Also, this is much more of an asset and another piece of the puzzle to the attraction of downtown as a whole than worrying about casino and spinoff development as a competitor to core downtown businesses.  It is the same tired argument used when The Banks was proposed.

What will become of Rising Sun and Lawrenceburg? Will they be ghost towns now?

What will become of Rising Sun and Lawrenceburg? Will they be ghost towns now?

 

I doubt it.  They will more than likely see a decrease in business, but I doubt they'll close.  They'll probably have to come up with more promotions to get people out there.

I would guess that Rising Sun will be hurt, but I think Lawrenceburg will do just fine.

Good, I hope you guys are right. I'm skeptical as I know people that have been born and raised in Lawrenceburg and they don't like casino's and the riffraff it brings.

 

What riffraff has the casinos brought in Indiana?

 

The funny thing is he is probably referring to residents of Cincinnati who travel to Lawrenceburg!

 

Nope, I'm not.  Go there.  Talk to the residents there and you will know.

^ :laugh:  Those terrible people from Cincinnati who are spending money!

 

nevermind, not worth it.

Say it CincySal, tell us what you've heard.  No one will hurt you!  Who is it that the residents resent?

Say it CincySal, tell us what you've heard. No one will hurt you! Who is it that the residents resent?

 

I think they resent the bitter suburbanites who come over to peaceful SE Indiana and trash talk everything.  That, or it's those nasty Modernist architecture loving Cummins factory workers from Columbus, IN.