September 9, 20195 yr 24 minutes ago, freethink said: So this is something I put together last year regarding Convention Center expansion and a possible new hotel site. Thought I would share... Great place for a second hotel. I always thought that the present hotel was too small. A 1,000 room hotel would have allowed for bigger conventions. Maybe this will correct that. I wonder if Hilton would be interested?
September 9, 20195 yr Author 1 minute ago, B767PILOT said: Great place for a second hotel. I always thought that the present hotel was too small. A 1,000 room hotel would have allowed for bigger conventions. Maybe this will correct that. I wonder if Hilton would be interested? They're expanding in Columbus! Plus the county would be the entity really taking the risk. Hilton would just be slapping their name all over the building.
September 9, 20195 yr Along Ontario, its only about 80 feet from the sidewalk to the Medical Mart---is that wide enough to support a tall hotel? To get 450 rooms, how many stories would the hotel be? If it fits, it would a great use of the stupidly-designed setback.
September 9, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, Pugu said: Along Ontario, its only about 80 feet from the sidewalk to the Medical Mart---is that wide enough to support a tall hotel? To get 450 rooms, how many stories would the hotel be? If it fits, it would a great use of the stupidly-designed setback. I was projecting the building to be about 22 stories with the Hotel starting at about the 5th floor and the first five levels for lobby/common area, meeting rooms and a couple of shared floors with the Global Center. Because of the site the floor plates would be on the small side maybe 12k. The building would be about 275k sq ft and cost around 75mil. And yes Hilton would be the obvious choice.
September 9, 20195 yr 10 hours ago, freethink said: I was projecting the building to be about 22 stories with the Hotel starting at about the 5th floor and the first five levels for lobby/common area, meeting rooms and a couple of shared floors with the Global Center. Because of the site the floor plates would be on the small side maybe 12k. The building would be about 275k sq ft and cost around 75mil. And yes Hilton would be the obvious choice. The interesting thing is that a hotel of that size could be financed in part with a TIF from the bed taxes it could generate. I ran the numbers on a 300-room hotel and estimated it would cost about $150 million. A bed tax TIF could fund as much as half the cost. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/cleveland-can-energize-its-lakefront-in.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 9, 20195 yr 13 minutes ago, KJP said: The interesting thing is that a hotel of that size could be financed in part with a TIF from the bed taxes it could generate. I ran the numbers on a 300-room hotel and estimated it would cost about $150 million. A bed tax TIF could fund as much as half the cost. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/cleveland-can-energize-its-lakefront-in.html Very feasible then.
September 9, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, WindyBuckeye said: Very feasible then. "Potentially" feasible. It assumes that the hotel would have occupancy rates comparable to those at the Hilton. If it doesn't, then the county's general fund might have to make up the difference. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 9, 20195 yr Just now, KJP said: "Potentially" feasible. It assumes that the hotel would have occupancy rates comparable to those at the Hilton. If it doesn't, then the county's general fund might have to make up the difference. I think based on need for conventions the hotel would do well.
September 9, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, WindyBuckeye said: I think based on need for conventions the hotel would do well. What about a hotel 450-500 rooms? Wouldnt this give the CC better chance of landing some really big events?
September 9, 20195 yr Just now, B767PILOT said: What about a hotel 450-500 rooms? Wouldnt this give the CC better chance of landing some really big events? Yeah I think so. It would alleviate the hotel need currently. My onlky worry is the need for more convention space with the additional hotel room need filled.
September 9, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, WindyBuckeye said: Yeah I think so. It would alleviate the hotel need currently. My onlky worry is the need for more convention space with the additional hotel room need filled. Well, we have the Med Mart on property. I've been away a long time so forgive the lack knowledge on how that is working. But I think I recently read where they know they have the ability and space for larger shows but not the additional near property hotel space to carry it off
September 9, 20195 yr Bump the body of the Global Center building out to Ontario Street and build the hotel over it. The hotel floorplates could be cantilevered over the Center for an easy 20-30 feet of additional width per floor without having to rip into the body of the Center to drive pilings. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
September 9, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, Terdolph said: I don't understand why whoever owns the "Hotel Cleveland" (you know, where the Kon Tiki Room is) just don't expand to the west. It would be so easy. Patience.... ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 9, 20195 yr An expansion for the Hilton behind the Global Center wouldn't be too difficult. That space is both longer and wider than the current hotel tower, and if its connected as part of the current Hilton, you wouldn't need to build lobby space and amenities. It could theoretically just be hotel rooms from the ground floor up (though definitely better with some street fronting uses there...), making adding rooms much cheaper than the original hotel tower was.
September 11, 20195 yr ^This is a good idea. If someone has the proper connections, please officially submit this concept!
September 11, 20195 yr On 9/9/2019 at 3:59 PM, KJP said: Patience.... ? What does this mean ???@KJP always here with those little hints!
September 19, 20195 yr On 9/9/2019 at 10:47 AM, B767PILOT said: What about a hotel 450-500 rooms? Wouldnt this give the CC better chance of landing some really big events? Without the closure of the IX all this is moot. Closing the IX, a competing property, will help and enhance the number of events in the downtown space and encourage people to stay atleast one night.
September 20, 20195 yr yeah for sure closing IX would help the downtown center and hotel market, but IX is 5x larger and in fact one of the largest convention ready facilities available. i dk how often something so massive is needed, not very often i would imagine, but it is quite a unique amenity for the region to have available.
September 20, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, mrnyc said: yeah for sure closing IX would help the downtown center and hotel market, but IX is 5x larger and in fact one of the largest convention ready facilities available. i dk how often something so massive is needed, not very often i would imagine, but it is quite a unique amenity for the region to have available. The IX is also a non-union building and is able to compete by pricing itself under the downtown convention center.
September 21, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, mrnyc said: yeah for sure closing IX would help the downtown center and hotel market, but IX is 5x larger and in fact one of the largest convention ready facilities available. i dk how often something so massive is needed, not very often i would imagine, but it is quite a unique amenity for the region to have available. A venue of equal or greater size is needed if the IX center were to close. You'll need a facility that can handle all of it's current events. Being downtown, there would be more ancillary spending. So hotel occupancy would increase. Also closing the IX center would allow the City to "redevelop" the airport.
November 1, 20195 yr Author Cleveland to host National Association of Black Journalists 2025 convention By Emily Bamforth, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland will host the National Association of Black Journalists conference in 2025, predicted to bring thousands of industry professionals to the area. About 4,000 black industry professionals and journalists attended this year’s Miami convention in August, according to the Miami Herald. The conference provides opportunities for networking and professional growth, as well as a venue to discuss current events and challenges in the field of journalism. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/10/cleveland-to-host-national-association-of-black-journalists-2025-convention.html
November 1, 20195 yr ^This is great--its not just a convention of 4,000 people---but of journalists who will hopefully share the good story that is Cleveland and what it has to offer.
November 1, 20195 yr Author 21 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^This is great--its not just a convention of 4,000 people---but of journalists who will hopefully share the good story that is Cleveland and what it has to offer. Not lost on me is that this group being made up of black journalist will help show the nation and World that Cleveland actually does have a strong black culture and middle class and may cause more upwardly mobile african Americans to consider the region as a place to live or do business. I love Cleveland and hope it can attract whoever that will make it better, this will help tap into a demographic I think is often overlooked!
November 1, 20195 yr Hopefully Cleveland can move the needle in a more positive direction regarding its equity, public transit, housing, lead paint, etc. by then to warrant more positive national coverage. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 2, 20195 yr On 10/31/2019 at 10:44 PM, Mov2Ohio said: Not lost on me is that this group being made up of black journalist will help show the nation and World that Cleveland actually does have a strong black culture and middle class and may cause more upwardly mobile african Americans to consider the region as a place to live or do business. I love Cleveland and hope it can attract whoever that will make it better, this will help tap into a demographic I think is often overlooked! As someone who has attended this event in the past, they are going to tell the good bad and ugly. It's a double edged sword. The one thing they will write about is Cleveland not having an "up market" black neighborhood or "black" historical neighborhood that is a draw. However, spotlighting this can help bring development. The associations announcement and critiques hopefully will lead to change.
November 2, 20195 yr On 9/8/2019 at 10:18 PM, B767PILOT said: Great place for a second hotel. I always thought that the present hotel was too small. A 1,000 room hotel would have allowed for bigger conventions. Maybe this will correct that. I wonder if Hilton would be interested? I think shoehorning a property there is ill advised, when Willard and Hunting parks are spaces available for development. Both parks were locations picked for hotel development. IMO, locating hotels around the CC creates better connectivity to adjacent neighborhoods/districts.
November 2, 20195 yr On 9/8/2019 at 9:51 PM, freethink said: So this is something I put together last year regarding Convention Center expansion and a possible new hotel site. Thought I would share... Cool idea -- and it gives Tony Coyne his much desired (IMHO, preoccupied) convention center windows facing the lakefront. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 4, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, Terdolph said: Just extend the west side rapid to the IX center and you kill two birds with one stone. Really, this regions refusal to invest in transportation is frustrating. Would you vote for a half-cent increase in the countywide sales tax to expand RTA? And/or risk losing one or more of your pro sports franchises to redirect stadium financing to support RTA? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 4, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, Terdolph said: Yes and yes. I think public transportation, particularly in fixed assets like rail, is that important. I wish there were more like you. Sometimes ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 5, 20195 yr 19 hours ago, KJP said: Would you vote for a half-cent increase in the countywide sales tax to expand RTA? And/or risk losing one or more of your pro sports franchises to redirect stadium financing to support RTA? So you're saying there's a chance we could improve our infrastructure and possibly get rid of the awful, awful Browns in one fell swoop?
November 7, 20195 yr On 11/4/2019 at 5:36 PM, Terdolph said: Just extend the west side rapid to the IX center and you kill two birds with one stone. Really, this regions refusal to invest in transportation is frustrating. In this case, extending the Rapid to the IX doesn't get tourist/business travelers to spend money in hotels, restaurants/bars/lounges or ancillary businesses. Closing the IX and moving it Downtown in the center of the region will bring more foot traffic downtown, as I've stated before, as the IX center is close the airport, out of town vendors, attendees, fly in and fly out without spending any money in Cleveland.
November 7, 20195 yr Lender woe hits downtown DoubleTree hotel https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/lender-woe-hits-downtown-doubletree-hotel "The run-up of new hotels in downtown Cleveland has sapped the fortunes of the DoubleTree Hotel Downtown Cleveland, which has entered the first throes of lender woes. ...room rental rates have been flat so far this year in the Cleveland market and may soften further with an expectation that the market will have fewer conventions next year."
November 10, 20195 yr Hey, we’ll take the influx of tourists! Bills Mafia takes over Cleveland ahead of Bills/Browns game (pictures, videos, tweets) https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/11/bills-mafia-takes-over-cleveland-ahead-of-billsbrowns-game-pictures-videos-tweets.html Edited November 10, 20195 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
November 10, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Hey, we’ll take the influx of tourists! Bills Mafia takes over Cleveland ahead of Bills/Browns game (pictures, videos, tweets) https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/11/bills-mafia-takes-over-cleveland-ahead-of-billsbrowns-game-pictures-videos-tweets.html "Bills Mafia"?? Not, "Bills Nation", but Bills Mafia ??♂️??♂️??♂️??♂️??♂️??♂️
November 10, 20195 yr ^lol This tweeter feed is eye opening as well. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickbat/status/1193309105127071745?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1193309105127071745&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newyorkupstate.com%2Fbuffalo-bills%2F2019%2F11%2Fbills-mafia-takes-over-cleveland-ahead-of-billsbrowns-game-pictures-videos-tweets.html Edited November 10, 20195 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
November 10, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: ^lol This tweeter feed is eye opening as well. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickbat/status/1193309105127071745?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1193309105127071745&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newyorkupstate.com%2Fbuffalo-bills%2F2019%2F11%2Fbills-mafia-takes-over-cleveland-ahead-of-billsbrowns-game-pictures-videos-tweets.html Based on this twitter account, you cannot say, "There is no place to party in Cleveland". I love that they are going out and partying hard and dropping $$$ throught downtown....and I would also guess, they aren't done! I bet a few people will end up in hotel rooms, tomorrow and realized that they have missed the game because they took a hookup back to their room and ended up roofied! LMAO
November 10, 20195 yr I’m hearing Southern Tier Brewery, Winking Lizard, City Tap, and the Clevelander we’re all at 100% capacity last night... Prospect Ave takeover by Buffalo, NY... https://mobile.twitter.com/KristenDettbarn/status/1193333790422241282 Edited November 10, 20195 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
November 10, 20195 yr 51 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: I’m hearing Southern Tier Brewery, Winking Lizard, City Tap, and the Clevelander we’re all at 100% capacity last night... Prospect Ave takeover by Buffalo, NY... https://mobile.twitter.com/KristenDettbarn/status/1193333790422241282
November 11, 20195 yr On 11/10/2019 at 10:30 AM, MuRrAy HiLL said: I’m hearing Southern Tier Brewery, Winking Lizard, City Tap, and the Clevelander we’re all at 100% capacity last night... Prospect Ave takeover by Buffalo, NY... https://mobile.twitter.com/KristenDettbarn/status/1193333790422241282 Bills fans travel well especially when it's a 3 hour ride down I90. There was also a Bills tailgate somewhere down in the flats Sunday morning. We'll take their money--and the win!
November 11, 20195 yr On 11/10/2019 at 11:22 AM, MyTwoSense said: Honestly, the hype was a little overblown. The Bills traveled well but I've seen MUCHHHHHHH worse in FES in the last five years. I'd say 10-15% of the stadium was Bills - I suspect there will be more Steelers here on Thursday
November 11, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, YABO713 said: Honestly, the hype was a little overblown. The Bills traveled well but I've seen MUCHHHHHHH worse in FES in the last five years. I'd say 10-15% of the stadium was Bills - I suspect there will be more Steelers here on Thursday Agreed---I would put it no more than 20% yesterday. The thing about Bills fans though, even if the records were reversed they would have showed up in similar numbers for a 3-6 Bills team. Thursday there will be a size-able contingent. Those Stiller fans are much closer, and their trailer rent money isn't due until December 1!
November 11, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Honestly, the hype was a little overblown. The Bills traveled well but I've seen MUCHHHHHHH worse in FES in the last five years. I'd say 10-15% of the stadium was Bills - I suspect there will be more Steelers here on Thursday They filled 2-4 bars, one of which (Southern Tier) has Buffalo roots. If GLBC had a bar in Buffalo and the Browns played there, it would be brown and orange the night before the game. Someone tweeted a picture and the Bills fans, who have almost as strong a Twitter presence as the Browns, spread it.
November 11, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, Cleburger said: Agreed---I would put it no more than 20% yesterday. The thing about Bills fans though, even if the records were reversed they would have showed up in similar numbers for a 3-6 Bills team. Thursday there will be a size-able contingent. Those Stiller fans are much closer, and their trailer rent money isn't due until December 1! Plus they don't have to save as much for Christmas because their family and significant others are the same people.
November 11, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, E Rocc said: They filled 2-4 bars, one of which (Southern Tier) has Buffalo roots. If GLBC had a bar in Buffalo and the Browns played there, it would be brown and orange the night before the game. Someone tweeted a picture and the Bills fans, who have almost as strong a Twitter presence as the Browns, spread it. I thought it was going to be bad, as two airbnb's in my neighborhood were filled with Bears fans. I think, in reality, it turned out to be a lot more people just coming to Cleveland to go out and get hammered.
November 11, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, YABO713 said: I thought it was going to be bad, as two airbnb's in my neighborhood were filled with Bears fans. I think, in reality, it turned out to be a lot more people just coming to Cleveland to go out and get hammered. Bills? Or a game another year? Edited November 11, 20195 yr by E Rocc
November 11, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: Plus they don't have to save as much for Christmas because their family and significant others are the same people. I'll tell you, having worked in the Downtown bar industry for over a decade, that Steeler's fans were the worst to deal with as a group. Bill's fans were always roudy, but in a fun (ish) kind of way.
November 11, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, X said: I'll tell you, having worked in the Downtown bar industry for over a decade, that Steeler's fans were the worst to deal with as a group. Bill's fans were always roudy, but in a fun (ish) kind of way. Bills fans respect the city and the fan base, they even hosted Browns fans days during the hiatus. Stoolers fans don't, even (especially) the ones that live around here. Watch the Browns page, I have a meme I have to find you may appreciate.
November 12, 20195 yr On 11/11/2019 at 12:24 PM, YABO713 said: I think, in reality, it turned out to be a lot more people just coming to Cleveland to go out and get hammered. Most of the times why I come up.? Edited November 13, 20195 yr by Mildtraumatic
November 27, 20195 yr Here is a nice article: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/holiday-season-is-a-big-chance-for-visitors-to-experience-cleveland-and-decide-to-come-back-again
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