October 3, 2024Oct 3 11 minutes ago, Enginerd said: I’m not sure what the odds of it happening are, but I will continue to believe that the best future for Tower City is to reroute Cleveland’s Amtrak station to CUT and redevelop Tower City into something akin to Denver Union Station. Agree 100%. Sadly retail is dying (in America). It cant' stand along without some other means of driving traffic to it. Amtrak, CVSR and RTA would all help the cause and help breathe new life into the building.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 If downtown retail couldn't survive the days before e-commerce, WFH/hybrid proliferation, a larger daytime foot traffic and middle class economy, and loss of Cleveland's financial district, it really has an impossible uphill badly, even if Amtrak miraculously rerouted in 2100. The mall should become a tech incubator or a maze of art galleries and events. At least the latter would be a realistic draw for tourists. The Shoe Mgks or Unscript'd Boutiques of the world are just a good PR, very short-term bandaid.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 Author I would think that assuming the mall is eventually reimagined/renovated to fit in with the new riverfront developments, some retail should be able to be supported. Maybe instead of a 100+ tenant mall, the New Tower City has maybe 25 in-line retail spaces and another 5 or so food court/food hall spaces. Keep these right next to each other, so maybe in the atrium where the fountain was, and block off the other, unused areas, so there's no huge dead zones. It should be easier to keep 25 spaces full vs what malls typically have. I think we are probably five or so years off to see where brick and mortar retail will ultimately go. Will it continue to die, or will some other future event help it grow again... who knows? But, this building will continue to be at the literal center of a big tourist/conventioneer/work and transit center for the city, so some level of foot traffic will always be there. Right sizing it, getting the retail mix right and marketing it would make a difference. Edited October 3, 2024Oct 3 by Mov2Ohio
October 3, 2024Oct 3 1 hour ago, Mov2Ohio said: I would think that assuming the mall is eventually reimagined/renovated to fit in with the new riverfront developments, some retail should be able to be supported. Maybe instead of a 100+ tenant mall, the New Tower City has maybe 25 in-line retail spaces and another 5 or so food court/food hall spaces. Keep these right next to each other, so maybe in the atrium where the fountain was, and block off the other, unused areas, so there's no huge dead zones. It should be easier to keep 25 spaces full vs what malls typically have. I think we are probably five or so years off to see where brick and mortar retail will ultimately go. Will it continue to die, or will some other future event help it grow again... who knows? But, this building will continue to be at the literal center of a big tourist/conventioneer/work and transit center for the city, so some level of foot traffic will always be there. Right sizing it, getting the retail mix right and marketing it would make a difference. I always said that I would love the ground floor contain bars, restaurants and other attractions like Main event and Dave and Busters etc. that would require larger floorplates. That would attract tourists, families and friends that want to hang out. The next level can contain local boutiques mixed with new to market stores such as Adidas, Gucci etc. (just throwing stores out there). The ground floor would be the draw and the second floor reaps the benefits especially when the riverfront work starts.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: I always said that I would love the ground floor contain bars, restaurants and other attractions like Main event and Dave and Busters etc. that would require larger floorplates. That would attract tourists, families and friends that want to hang out. The next level can contain local boutiques mixed with new to market stores such as Adidas, Gucci etc. (just throwing stores out there). The ground floor would be the draw and the second floor reaps the benefits especially when tuhe riverfront work starts. No hurry. I am sure its next life will emerge once the future phases of Bedrock crystalize. According to the early concept impages It should serve as a iconic major alleyway to convey people from the Core (Public Square) to the south Shore (Bedrock riverfront public uses). Just as the arcades helped move and people to work, live and shop in the city's golden heyday this real estate should also serve the same purpose in the utopian 18-hour 15-minute city now envisioned by the planner people.
October 3, 2024Oct 3 My sincere hope is that the entire Riverfront area can become a showplace for resilience and reinvention; to represent a new look forward for how we can reconnect with our surroundings. The area is very significant from an historical and environmental standpoint. We have got to play this up and create a place that's renown for health and for wellness, where people from all over will want to come to and experience it.
April 30Apr 30 Cleveland welcomes first cruise ship of 2025, likely a record year for port callshttps://www.cleveland.com/travel/2025/04/cleveland-welcomes-first-cruise-ship-of-2025-likely-a-record-year-for-port-calls-photos.htmlI think you can see it on the TT earthcam https://www.earthcam.com/usa/ohio/cleveland/terminaltower/?cam=terminaltower
May 2May 2 If cruiser tourism is going to be a thing we really need a better location for those debarking. Being invited onto the Flats boardwalk and restaurants beats a tour bus. I know we just spent money upgrading the custom's facility at the port but l think that was misguided. It might have cost more but l think a better welcoming would have been worth it.
May 2May 2 Since Ohio City topic is still locked, posting this here (please move if needed) but it's really exciting to see some of these renderings and materials from the Ohio City Local review committee.
May 2May 2 17 minutes ago, downtownjoe said:Since Ohio City topic is still locked,Generally when this happens and there is new news to post, you can submit a report (request) to unlock the thread.
May 2May 2 7 hours ago, Cleburger said:Such an awful welcome to our cruise ship visitors. Cleveland needs to figure that out.1 hour ago, cadmen said:If cruiser tourism is going to be a thing we really need a better location for those debarking. Being invited onto the Flats boardwalk and restaurants beats a tour bus. I know we just spent money upgrading the custom's facility at the port but l think that was misguided. It might have cost more but l think a better welcoming would have been worth it.Agreed. This has been incorporated into the current North Coast harbor master plan, but we need an intermediate solution in addition to a long term one. (Who knows when all of that will actually get built out?). A temporary structure with some basic landscaping would help a lot to soften the arrival area (I'm assuming the temporary solution would be in the same area as the planned permanent one). Currently it is a terrible first impression for the City. Hopefully they are at least greeted by shuttle buses taking them into a better location from which to explore the city.
May 2May 2 top of e9 pier where the parking lot is. I'm sure there's pretty strict regulations around where these can be.
May 2May 2 Cut a couple holes in the side of the Mather, add some pilings and bumpers, and voila...the worlds most unusual cruise ship terminal, fashioned out of a retired ore boat. The port/passenger tax can include a ticket to the museum so every person that steps off also benefits the Mather.
May 2May 2 ^ Why not? It's creative and certainly better than what we have now and it wouldn't be all that expensive, would it?
May 2May 2 19 minutes ago, cadmen said:^ Why not? It's creative and certainly better than what we have now and it wouldn't be all that expensive, would it?Not at all. I could probably get it done myself for $50K? Maybe $100K? GCP could pitch in and knock it out.
May 2May 2 6 hours ago, downtownjoe said:Since Ohio City topic is still locked, posting this here (please move if needed) but it's really exciting to see some of these renderings and materials from the Ohio City Local review committee.That's phenomenal.
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