^^Yes this should definitely help.

If the Board of Ed bldg can get refurbished as a hotel in the not-too-distant future then these hotels, and things like the Calfee, should create a need for retail from the increased foot traffic. Retail could go around E. 6th/Vincent area, in the very cool Fidelity Mortgage Bldg and others.

 

 

 

 

I just heard of some talk of a new Hilton hotel to be built on St. Clair - not sure if its the same project as the Crowne Plaza rehab or if its entirely separate, but if it is a different project, that's very cool.

I just heard of some talk of a new Hilton hotel to be built on St. Clair - not sure if its the same project as the Crowne Plaza rehab or if its entirely separate, but if it is a different project, that's very cool.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,11531.msg551102.html#msg551102

^I just heard it will be a brand new hotel (not the Crowne Plaza).

New build?

Interesting...Do you know where exactly?

^from what i've heard.  I started a new thread for it: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,25644

^ Bad link

Cleveland hotel additions/improvements recap:

 

1) Aloft Hotel (Downtown-Flats) $20 million -- 150 rooms -- completion 2013 http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/08/clevelands_flats_east_bank_hotel_will_carry_the_aloft_brand.html

2) Crown Plaza renovation into Westin? (Downtown) $45 million -- 472 rooms -- completion 2013 http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/03/sage_hospitality_optima_ventur.html

3) Schofield conversion Kimpton (Downtown) -- $40 million? -- 140 rooms, 24 apts - completion 2013? http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20100625/FREE/100629890

4) University Circle Courtyard by Mariott Hotel (University Circle) -- $27 million  -- 150 rooms -- completion 2012 http://www.cleveland.com/business/in...el_will_b.html

5) Tudor Arms conversion to Double Tree (University Circle) -- $22 million -- 157 rooms -- completion 2011 http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/08/tudor_arms_renovation_is_bring.html

 

And now, potentially:

6) Hilton brand hotel on St. Clair (Downtown) completion 2013?

7) Uptown Phase II hotel (University Circle)

8) Cleveland Board of Education Conversion (Downtown)

9) John Harkness Brown conversion (Downtown)

Plus the talk about the Board of Education building.

And the John Hartness Brown buildings

Plus the talk about the Board of Education building.

And the John Hartness Brown buildings

 

Thanks CO.  I've added the two others.

 

Obviously not all of these are going to happen, but there is a good we will see a few of these complete within the next 2-3 years.

Plus the Cleveland Athletic Club building

There might even be a race to see who can finish first.

Great list, Murray Hill!  I'd even separate out the Aloft and DoubleTree into a new top category, because those two are no-doubters at this point, and the others aren't quite that far along.  I'm not predicting it by any means, but wouldn't shock me if the CrownePlaza deal fell apart.

That list is really exciting, but I don't think Cleveland can support that many more hotels (at least not yet).

However, the Casino, Convention Center/Medmart, and Aquarium will all be finished by the time these are all complete.

Even so, I do not see that much increase in demand. Im hoping the John Hartness Brown buildings get turned into apartments instead.

Has

However, the Casino, Convention Center/Medmart, and Aquarium will all be finished by the time these are all complete.

 

Has anyone seen any confirmed convention center/med mart show bookings? 

So here is a link to a pretty recent study on the lodging market in the 3 C's

 

http://www.hladvisors.com/newsletter-sep10-2.htm

 

Stuff to read on a Sunday morning.

So here is a link to a pretty recent study on the lodging market in the 3 C's

 

http://www.hladvisors.com/newsletter-sep10-2.htm

 

Stuff to read on a Sunday morning.

 

Huh, I didnt realize the Cleveland area had so few hotel rooms compared to Columbus and Cincinnati.

Not just that, but in terms of quality, The Cincinnatian and The Westin in downtown Cincy beat anything we have in our Downtown IMHO.

^I believe it.  The current hotel scene in the Cleve is remarkably blah.

Not just that, but in terms of quality, The Cincinnatian and The Westin in downtown Cincy beat anything we have in our Downtown IMHO.

 

I'm a fan of the Hilton Nederlander there as well (as far as Hiltons go).  If you ever visit Cinci check out the AMAZING art deco interior of the lobby bar and restaurant.

Not just that, but in terms of quality, The Cincinnatian and The Westin in downtown Cincy beat anything we have in our Downtown IMHO.

 

Haven't stayed at the Cincinnatian, but the Westin Cincinnati wasn't anything special for me.  It looked like a standard Westin, which is no better than our standard Marriott imo.

I stayed at the Cincinnatian once a while ago.  The public areas are grand but my room was not much to write home about.  While I have never been in the Rennaisance rooms I would imagine it is comparable.

Wow, I didnt realize how bad of shape the hotel was in. Some pretty shocking things in this article about the hotels current state.

 

Crowne Plaza bidder would close hotel for two years

If the sale of the Crowne Plaza Hotel Cleveland City Centre goes through as planned, the new owner intends to close the dilapidated building in November to undertake a two-year, $47-million transformation of the property into a four-star hotel.

 

A myriad of mechanical problems caused by years of neglect has left the current operator with only about 100 usable rooms in the 470-room hotel. At present, a single level of scaffolding surrounds the building at East Sixth Street and St. Clair Avenue, protecting passersby from bits of masonry peeling off the exterior.

 

The closing of the 36-year-old property would put 100 employees out of work.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110509/SUB1/305099976

Did everyone else know that the Crowne Plaza only has 100 usable rooms and that the other rooms are out due to water leaks, window leaks, broken plumbing and broken air conditioning. On top of that only 2 of the 6 elevators work. And they are only running at 20% so thats only 20 rooms.

 

If this happens it will be a huge project, the building is a dump!

I think the 20% occupancy rate is based off the total number of rooms in the hotel (including the unuseable ones).  100/470 = 21%.  So they're probably filling up most the 100 available rooms, but that obviously is not enough to be turning any kind of profit, given that 370 rooms are sitting there empty.

I think the 20% occupancy rate is based off the total number of rooms in the hotel (including the unuseable ones).  100/470 = 21%.  So they're probably filling up most the 100 available rooms, but that obviously is not enough to be turning any kind of profit, given that 370 rooms are sitting there empty.

 

I wish that was true, but unfortunately its not. The article says that out of the 100 rooms they are running at 20% occupancy. That is pathetic

Concord buys stake in Cleveland Hampton Inn

 

Concord Hospitality Enterprises announced Wednesday that it has bought a partnership interest in a Hampton Inn hotel in Cleveland.

 

The Raleigh-based hotel developer, owner and operator will oversee a complete renovation of the 194-room Hampton Inn in the downtown Cleveland area. The renovation is scheduled to be complete by early 2012.

 

Financial terms of the deal were not released.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2011/05/18/concord-buys-stake-in-cleveland.html

Cleveland - Hampton Inn

 

More details of the planned renovation...

 

Following the renovation, the Hampton will be in like-new condition, and we expect our expertise in operations, sales and revenue management, and excellence in guest service will yield immediate and long-lasting benefits to the hotel. Each guest room will have access to free wifi internet, will be equipped with a 32 inch HD TV, and have access to a fitness center...

 

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16824

Bouchercon, the granddad of mystery conferences, coming to Cleveland

Published: Tuesday, July 05, 2011, 2:12 PM   

Karen R. Long, The Plain Dealer

 

The authors, readers and publishers who most relish a good mystery will convene in Cleveland in October 2012.

 

The Bouchercon World Mystery Conference, the oldest and largest destination of mystery fans, will come to Ohio for the first time since its inception in 1970. Organizers expect it to attract more than 500 mystery writers and at least 1,000 fans to the Renaissance Cleveland Hotel, Oct. 4-7, 2012.

 

"It's going to be just amazing," said Marjory Mogg, chair of the Cleveland conference and a Euclid librarian. "John Connolly stood up from the back row at the business meeting in San Francisco and said, 'You've got to vote for Cleveland. I want to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.' "

 

http://www.cleveland.com/books/index.ssf/2011/07/bouchercon_the_granddad_of_mys.html

That's a lot of people for this weekend...

 

Jehovah's Witnesses convene in Cleveland this week

CantonRep.com staff report

Posted Jul 07, 2011 @ 11:47 AM

 

CLEVELAND — An estimated 32,000 people from Northeast Ohio and Western Pennsylvania are expected to attend the Jehovah’s Witnesses 2011 District Convention, which starts Friday.

 

The first of four, three-day events to be held will begin at 9:20 a.m. at Cleveland State University’s Wolstein Center.

 

http://www.cantonrep.com/community/x1722647969/Jehovahs-Witnesses-convene-in-Cleveland-this-week

Sounds like the school district is getting serious about selling off the old HQ building on Mall A:

 

Cleveland school district clearing way for possible headquarters sale

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/07/cleveland_schools_clearing_way.html

 

Among other things:

 

Kimpton Hotels and Restaurants, which specializes in reuse of historic buildings as boutique or "lifestyle" hotels, already has cast an eye on the property.

 

The San Francisco company plans a hotel for the old Schofield Building at East 9th Street and Euclid Avenue, but often undertakes multiple projects in a city, said Tom Riley, vice president of acquisitions and development.

Just to clarify...each congregation is assigned a weekend to attend one of the four conventions, each one giving the same information. (people do float between weeks too) so it's roughly 6500-8500 a weekend. It's ton of tourism dollars for Cleveland...

 

In 09, they split up the se Ohio and wpa congregations and assigned us to the wesbanco arena in wheeling.

We were back in 2010.

I honestly had no idea there were so many of you guys in the area. Then again, I think there are two temples within a 10 minute drive of where I grew up, so I shouldn't be surprised.

This is a great building....  nice setting.... would make a great part hotel....

Sounds like the school district is getting serious about selling off the old HQ building on Mall A:

 

Cleveland school district clearing way for possible headquarters sale

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/07/cleveland_schools_clearing_way.html

 

Among other things:

 

Kimpton Hotels and Restaurants, which specializes in reuse of historic buildings as boutique or "lifestyle" hotels, already has cast an eye on the property.

 

The San Francisco company plans a hotel for the old Schofield Building at East 9th Street and Euclid Avenue, but often undertakes multiple projects in a city, said Tom Riley, vice president of acquisitions and development.

 

I do find it interesting that Kimpton essentially "doubles down" when they enter a market.  I suppose if they have a chance to do a higher end and less higher end it would cover their investment better.  But, does not seem like the typical way that these type of investments would play out.  I would have expected the Schofield Bldg. project to be completed and after a year or so they would evaluate putting a second property here.

 

Sounds like the school district is getting serious about selling off the old HQ building on Mall A:

 

Cleveland school district clearing way for possible headquarters sale

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/07/cleveland_schools_clearing_way.html

 

Among other things:

 

Kimpton Hotels and Restaurants, which specializes in reuse of historic buildings as boutique or "lifestyle" hotels, already has cast an eye on the property.

 

The San Francisco company plans a hotel for the old Schofield Building at East 9th Street and Euclid Avenue, but often undertakes multiple projects in a city, said Tom Riley, vice president of acquisitions and development.

 

I do find it interesting that Kimpton essentially "doubles down" when they enter a market.  I suppose if they have a chance to do a higher end and less higher end it would cover their investment better.  But, does not seem like the typical way that these type of investments would play out.  I would have expected the Schofield Bldg. project to be completed and after a year or so they would evaluate putting a second property here.

 

 

They've only been around since the early 80's.  If it wasn't for the Klimpton brand, there would be no W Hotel brand.  They reinvent the "Boutique" hotel experience.  In the mid to late 90s, they expanded to the East Coast in DC with the Hotel Helix, and at that time, it was the Hotel to book in DC.  It has an awesome lobby/bar scene and a restaurant.  Starwood wanting to develop a new brand and sort of "copied" what the Klimpton brand was doing and voila, the W brand was born. However, with Starwoods marketing share they were able to 1-up the klimpton brands.  In addition, they own the majority of restaurant in their properties. So the Cleveland property will most likely have a "destination" restaurant.  I've eaten at several and I've never been dissatisfied.  I love their espresso ketchup. 

 

Klimpton has a huge LGBT market, so they use that audience as their initial target audience to break new properties.

 

Their properties are typically clustered together.  In DC, 5 of their properties are around Dupont Circle.

 

The only failure, their brand has had is the Palamor in ATL. They built a brand new hotel, that opened in late 2009 and closed earlier this year.

 

I think this will help our stagnant, hotel scene and bring others to market.  When Klimpton enters the market a Inter-Continental, Loews, Sofitel, Le Meridien & W Hotel are usually right behind.  I dont see us getting an Inter-Continental downtown considering we have two in the UC "adjacent" area.  Starwood has no Properties in Downtown Cleveland and they want to open two Westins - The bond Court and the rehab on Euclid.  We have the dining and entertainment venues in place, we just need interesting properties to match.  The Warehouse District desperately needs a hotel and a Le Meridien would be perfect there.

^I love Kimpton hotels and can only hope "Klimpton" ones are just as nice ;)

 

Seriously though, thanks for the background.  I had stayed in a few different Kimpton brands before realizing they were all related and now actively seek them out whenever they are an option.  Even their cheaper hotels are miles better than the dreary mainstream brands.

Sounds like the school district is getting serious about selling off the old HQ building on Mall A:

 

Cleveland school district clearing way for possible headquarters sale

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/07/cleveland_schools_clearing_way.html

 

Among other things:

 

Kimpton Hotels and Restaurants, which specializes in reuse of historic buildings as boutique or "lifestyle" hotels, already has cast an eye on the property.

 

The San Francisco company plans a hotel for the old Schofield Building at East 9th Street and Euclid Avenue, but often undertakes multiple projects in a city, said Tom Riley, vice president of acquisitions and development.

 

I do find it interesting that Kimpton essentially "doubles down" when they enter a market.  I suppose if they have a chance to do a higher end and less higher end it would cover their investment better.  But, does not seem like the typical way that these type of investments would play out.  I would have expected the Schofield Bldg. project to be completed and after a year or so they would evaluate putting a second property here.

 

 

They've only been around since the early 80's.  If it wasn't for the Klimpton brand, there would be no W Hotel brand.  They reinvent the "Boutique" hotel experience.  In the mid to late 90s, they expanded to the East Coast in DC with the Hotel Helix, and at that time, it was the Hotel to book in DC.  It has an awesome lobby/bar scene and a restaurant.  Starwood wanting to develop a new brand and sort of "copied" what the Klimpton brand was doing and voila, the W brand was born. However, with Starwoods marketing share they were able to 1-up the klimpton brands.  In addition, they own the majority of restaurant in their properties. So the Cleveland property will most likely have a "destination" restaurant.  I've eaten at several and I've never been dissatisfied.  I love their espresso ketchup. 

 

Klimpton has a huge LGBT market, so they use that audience as their initial target audience to break new properties.

 

Their properties are typically clustered together.  In DC, 5 of their properties are around Dupont Circle.

 

The only failure, their brand has had is the Palamor in ATL. They built a brand new hotel, that opened in late 2009 and closed earlier this year.

 

I think this will help our stagnant, hotel scene and bring others to market.  When Klimpton enters the market a Inter-Continental, Loews, Sofitel, Le Meridien & W Hotel are usually right behind.  I dont see us getting an Inter-Continental downtown considering we have two in the UC "adjacent" area.  Starwood has no Properties in Downtown Cleveland and they want to open two Westins - The bond Court and the rehab on Euclid.  We have the dining and entertainment venues in place, we just need interesting properties to match.  The Warehouse District desperately needs a hotel and a Le Meridien would be perfect there.

 

Klimpton? Seriously? For someone who seems to know so much about them I figured you would at least get their name right. KIMPTON.

Starwood has no Properties in Downtown Cleveland and they want to open two Westins - The bond Court and the rehab on Euclid.

 

MTS--where on Euclid?

 

would love to see a "W" and a Sofitel in town!

 

Klimpton? Seriously? For someone who seems to know so much about them I figured you would at least get their name right. KIMPTON.

^I love Kimpton hotels and can only hope "Klimpton" ones are just as nice ;)

 

 

It was a typo...ok several typos...but you whippersnappers need to....  :whip:

 

 

Starwood has no Properties in Downtown Cleveland and they want to open two Westins - The bond Court and the rehab on Euclid.

 

MTS--where on Euclid?

 

 

John Hartness Brown Buildings

Yeah there are many around the Dupont (Bufont) Circle area and mostly "individual" ones exept for the Palomar..

 

MTS what would be the thinking with the 2 Westins downtown Cle?  They are more standard and wouldnt likely make as much sense, no?  Maybe its a case of whichever one lines up the financing first... 

Yeah there are many around the Dupont (Bufont) Circle area and mostly "individual" ones exept for the Palomar..

 

MTS what would be the thinking with the 2 Westins downtown Cle?  They are more standard and wouldnt likely make as much sense, no?  Maybe its a case of whichever one lines up the financing first... 

 

Two westins wouldn't bother me considering we don't have a true convention hotel as of yet. Having a starwood property downtown will help with those booking meetings/conventions, as those loyal to the SPG Brands and those company's with corporate contracts with Starwood/SPG can seriously look at Cleveland.

NAHRO selects Cleveland for 2013 National Convention

Cleveland civic leaders work together to beat out Chicago and Indianapolis bids

 

CLEVELAND, OH (July 14, 2011) – Cleveland Medical Mart & Convention Center has been

awarded the 2013 National Association of Housing and Redevelopment Officials (NAHRO)

National Conference, scheduled for October 27-November 3, 2013. NAHRO is the nation’s

leading housing and community development advocate for affordable housing.

 

There are 20k members.  Good stuff!

 

They better get moving on the hotels then!

Quoted from the Renovating office towers into residential thread........

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24830.0.html

 

I don't foresee it becoming a hotel.  There are already numerous developers trying to build hotels downtown especially on Euclid street.  Residential would certainly be interesting since I don't know of many modernist skyscrapers being converted into residential.  If it happens it certainly would be a good demonstration project since I foresee many modernist skyscrapers vacating in the near-term future.

 

Two hotels opening on Euclid and the The crown plaza reflag as a Westin is not numerous considering we still do not have a convention size hotel or a hip hotel.

 

What is our list of proposed hotels?

 

Two to three hotels is numerous when the existing hotels downtown have an average occupancy in the 50-55 percent range.

 

And if there is to be a convention hotel, shouldn't it be closer to the convention center than other hotels like the Marriott at Key or the Crown Plaza turned Westin? I would think the site for a convention hotel would at the convention center, placed where the county administration building is today.

Quoted from the Renovating office towers into residential thread........

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24830.0.html

 

I don't foresee it becoming a hotel.  There are already numerous developers trying to build hotels downtown especially on Euclid street.  Residential would certainly be interesting since I don't know of many modernist skyscrapers being converted into residential.  If it happens it certainly would be a good demonstration project since I foresee many modernist skyscrapers vacating in the near-term future.

 

Two hotels opening on Euclid and the The crown plaza reflag as a Westin is not numerous considering we still do not have a convention size hotel or a hip hotel.

 

What is our list of proposed hotels?

 

Two to three hotels is numerous when the existing hotels downtown have an average occupancy in the 50-55 percent range.

 

I disagree.  Considering you have too take a look at what we currently offer.  When 30/40 somethings - from other areas - are looking for properties we have nothing that interest them.  As I stated earlier, from a program travel planner stand point, we dont have enough properties, so we are not loyalty program friendly. 

 

So our occupancy rate is skewed.  IIRC, our occupancy is 59% which is on par with the 58% national average.

 

 

 

And if there is to be a convention hotel, shouldn't it be closer to the convention center than other hotels like the Marriott at Key or the Crown Plaza turned Westin? I would think the site for a convention hotel would at the convention center, placed where the county administration building is today.

 

I too think that is a great spot for a Convention sized property.

It should be a close to the convention center as possible, yet not always the case.  Look at McCormick center.  All downtown Chicago hotels were located in the loop or Mag Mile until a property was built at the center.  And that is a hell of a lot further away then the few blocks were talking about.

 

No hotel is at Miami Beach convention center.  The hotels in NoLA are scattered like ours and their convention center is a further walk from the hotels east of Poydras.  There are a few hotels in Downtown Houston and when they renovated they added a Hilton, but most hotels are west of downtown and many are centered in the Galleria area.