Going through Christmas decorations, I found my old map collection from my childhood.

 

These were published before I was born, and were given to me by my father. They date back to the 1940’s to the early 1960’s.  The one from Boron, I collected from a trip to Three Rivers Stadium to see the Pirates in 1980.

 

The maps of Cleveland and Cincinnati are from the 1940’s Sohio map. No interstates and for the most part just developing inner-ring suburbs.  The Population of Cleveland was 878,336 and Columbus 306,087.  Interesting to note, these two cities are not far off from reversing these numbers.

OH MY GOD!  THOSE ARE AWESOME.  SOHIO/BORON/Stanolind, Kyso maps are collectors items. Brings back memories  :cry:  :cry:

The Population of Cleveland was 878,336 and Columbus 306,087.  Interesting to note, these two cities are not far off from reversing these numbers.

 

And Cleveland is still 77 square miles while Columbus is now more than 200 square miles. Any city can grow in population when it eats other cities. Doesn't mean that it's growing in a sustainable way.

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The Population of Cleveland was 878,336 and Columbus 306,087.  Interesting to note, these two cities are not far off from reversing these numbers.

 

And Cleveland is still 77 square miles while Columbus is now more than 200 square miles. Any city can grow in population when it eats other cities. Doesn't mean that it's growing in a sustainable way.

Very true! I'm only referring to the numbers.

The Population of Cleveland was 878,336 and Columbus 306,087.  Interesting to note, these two cities are not far off from reversing these numbers.

 

And Cleveland is still 77 square miles while Columbus is now more than 200 square miles. Any city can grow in population when it eats other cities. Doesn't mean that it's growing in a sustainable way.

 

Since when does Columbus "eat up" other cities?  Land, sure.  Cities?  No.

well, lets dosomething here.  lets say new rome was a "city" even though it didnt have the population for it it was a village or whatever.  ok, so that dissolved back into the township right?  so if c-bus takes that land then one could argue that they ate a city.  hhhhmmmm....lol

That's really stretching it.  New Rome had like 50 people.  There are subdivisions west of New Rome that have more people ;).

Here is the pictorial guide from the opposite side of the 1940's map. I tried to piece together the other sections of the state but it is just too big for my scanner.

I like the no interstate highways on cleveland map, no chester ave either.

Ooh...I like that map!

20 years later... 1960's

 

These are from a Sonoco map. The interstates end just about the city limits in the three C's.

 

Appreciate these for their historiacal value and debate if you must but NO CONTEST PLEASE!!!

20 years later... 1980's

 

The three C's no longer fit on the scanner. No kidding...

 

My understanding is that 1960 is generally the first year that (proposed) interstates were shown on roadmaps.

Plus your first ring suburbs, which came to be before the Great Depression were pretty well established by the 1940s.

 

P.S. If Cleveland didn't eat up other cities, MayDay's Christmas mixer, last week, would of been held in the city of Ohio City.

Rules for annexing incorporated areas are different than for annexing unincorporated areas, I don't understand why there's always a third of the posters here that don't understand that.

 

My understanding is that 1960 is generally the first year that (proposed) interstates were shown on roadmaps.

 

I believe this to be true. I-90 ended in western Lake county and is shown as "proposed" through Cleveland and western Cuyahoga County on the Cleveland Street Guide.

 

The dots around the intersate sign indicate "proposed".

P.S. If Cleveland didn't eat up other cities, MayDay's Christmas mixer, last week, would of been held in the city of Ohio City.

 

LOL... Or it might have died on the banks of the Cuyahoga from Malaria!

Cities, townships whatever -- real estate. The fact is 200 square miles vs. 77 is an apple vs. an orange.

 

But nice maps! Keep 'em coming.

Here is the western half of the pictorial, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati.

And Lastly...

Just so every knows. SOHIO is now BP.

^--- Ha! I remember the big media blitz that announced the change. I hardly even remember SOHIO anymore.

 

 

Just so every knows. SOHIO is now BP.

 

NOT TO ME!  IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOHIO NOT THAT (YOU FILL IN THE BLANK) OIL COMPANY  :x

 

^--- Ha! I remember the big media blitz that announced the change. I hardly even remember SOHIO anymore.

 

 

 

I had to work on the "intergration" project....not fun for the people in Cleveland!

how long ago did it change? I've never heard of SOHIO until now... I'm 20 btw.

how long ago did it change? I've never heard of SOHIO until now... I'm 20 btw.

I think is was the mid 80's. Sohio became BP and still was headquartered on Public Square, then a few years ago Amoco & BP merged and moved to their headquarters to Chicago (I think).

Fla.Guy: You are correct.  I believe BP purchased Sohio in 1986 because they wanted a piece of the North Slope. 

 

I remember buying a Sohio map of Ohio the mid 1980's for something like 35 cents. 

It was a long transition though. When I was living in Geauga County, I became friends with someone in Bay Village in 1989-90. When I drove over to the west side, I remember seeing a Sohio gas station in Rocky River that went from its red, white and blue logo sign to a Sohio sign that was green. A few months later or so, it went to the green BP sign. We called that transition the "greening" of Sohio.

Ever notice, though, that the marina gas stations in Ohio are still "Sohio"?

 

 

I'm trying to do this from memory, with a hangover, so bare with me.  :drunk:

 

how long ago did it change? I've never heard of SOHIO until now... I'm 20 btw.

 

Oh..you young thing, you! 

 

SOHIO, was made of various company throught the states, but it was really four company's (Oil, Exploration, Marine and Nutrition) plus the Truckstops of America Company (now know as TravelCenters of America, HQ'd in westlake).

 

In 1971, BP bought ~55% of SOHIO, in order to complete the Alaskan Pipe Line.  SOHIO had the largest reserves of the main reservoir of Prudhoe Bay.  BP in a "buying mode" decided to purchase the outstanding shares of SOHIO and Purina Mills (which became a part of BP Nutrition) and renamed SOHIO, BP America, while keeping it's worldwide corporate HQ in London.

 

It was a long transition though. When I was living in Geauga County, I became friends with someone in Bay Village in 1989-90. When I drove over to the west side, I remember seeing a Sohio gas station in Rocky River that went from its red, white and blue logo sign to a Sohio sign that was green. A few months later or so, it went to the green BP sign. We called that transition the "greening" of Sohio.

 

KJP, you're good for remembering that.  We tried to work Cleveland also being known as the "forest city" into the signage.  While that was going on:

Some Chevron's in the southeastern became Gulf

in late 89/early 90 (or '91) Boron, William Penn, Gas-N-Go in Michigan and Gulf to BP and at the end of 1991 the final SOHIO station became BP. :cry:

 

I (along with most of the Cleveland based PR department was sent to Europe) was sent to Brittanic Tower in London in '94 so American operations after that is murky to me...I was able to come back home early because BP and AMOCO were merging and I was selected to work on the "transition" team..then resigned, because I didn't want to move to Chicago. :finger2:  Those folks inside Amoco, were backstabing, shadey and doing everything they could to ruin the company.  Alot of Clevelanders opted not to move to Chicago, although my best friend and a coworker moved into the (combined BP Amoco) New York office, which was the SOHIO interntational board office.

 

Ever notice, though, that the marina gas stations in Ohio are still "Sohio"?

 

 

Thos are called DODO's (dealer owned, dealer operated).  IIRC, some of those stations were not legal bound to changed their SOHIO signage names.  I think there is also a vintage SOHIO on America's route 66.

 

There is a ton of SOHIO stuff on E. 49 Street.

 

MTS, thank you for posting, there was a lot I didn't know.

 

Also I think it’s important to point out to the younger forumers; Standard Oil of Ohio (SOHIO) was founded by John D. Rockefeller in Cleveland in the late 1800's. He is buried in Lakeview Cemetery along with President Garfield and a host of other prominent Clevelanders.

SOHIO, was made of various company throught the states, but it was really four company's (Oil, Exploration, Marine and Nutrition) plus the Truckstops of America Company (now know as TravelCenters of America, HQ'd in westlake).

 

Were these companies part of SOHIO as well?

MTS, thank you for posting, there was a lot I didn't know.

 

Also I think it’s important to point out to the younger forumers; Standard Oil of Ohio (SOHIO) was founded by John D. Rockefeller in Cleveland in the late 1800's. He is buried in Lakeview Cemetery along with President Garfield and a host of other prominent Clevelanders.

 

Well, this stuff was my job when I was at SOHIO.  I interned in the Public Affairs/Communications Department three out of my four summers while in college.  Upon graduation, SOHIO was the only company I applied for a job and worked there right up to "the coup" as it was called.  It was totally my dream job, since I got to work on the "SOHIO" division PR and the RiverFest, yet this job was an ugly introduction to corporate america.

 

SOHIO, was made of various company throught the states, but it was really four company's (Oil, Exploration, Marine and Nutrition) plus the Truckstops of America Company (now know as TravelCenters of America, HQ'd in westlake).

 

Were these companies part of SOHIO as well?

Yes those business were under the "oil" company.  I can't remember, but I think the Lodging was part of TA.  The truck stops morphed into the "convienience" stores.   I '93 I think a lot of those business were rolled under the "retail planning" unit, within the "oil" company.

 

You would ask me something like that!  LOL

how long ago did it change? I've never heard of SOHIO until now... I'm 20 btw.

I think is was the mid 80's. Sohio became BP and still was headquartered on Public Square, then a few years ago Amoco & BP merged and moved to their headquarters to Chicago (I think).

 

That's generally correct... Sohio was the original remnant of Standard Oil, which was the 1st huge oil conglomerate founded in (about) 1870 by John D. Rockefeller.   It was broken up into several smaller, regional standard oils under the Sherman Antitrust Act (1890), and became Standard Oil of Ohio (or SOHIO for short), and was HQ'd in what was the Midland building behind Terminal tower on Prospect Ave -- now part of the Landmark Office Towers... BP merged w/ SOHIO in the Mid-80s -- just after the huge Public Sq. building opened -- and, a  few years later, was taken over by AMOCO and shifted to Chicago, HQ-wise... only a small remnant of the company's operations remains in Cleveland.  It remains one of the biggest HQ/econ losses that's ever hit Cleveland, esp downtown.

Couple of clarifications.

Standard Oil was broken up, via the Sherman Antitrust Act, in 1911.

My understanding for the "Sohio Marina Stations" is that BP(/Amoco) uses Sohio signs there to keep their trademark, on Sohio, active.

And if you're interested in a timeline for Standard Oil, someone put the following webpage together 5-6 years ago... http://www.us-highways.com/sohist.htm

Where's the map of Akron, Dayton and Toledo?  Why must show the 3 C's???!!!  :whip:  P.S. I love old maps from the 1950-60s.

Where's the map of Akron, Dayton and Toledo?  Why must show the 3 C's???!!!  :whip:  P.S. I love old maps from the 1950-60s.

Akron, Dayton, Toledo, and Youngstown are about a quaterter size of the cincy map above. I didn't post beacuse they would be to hard to see.

Couple of clarifications.

Standard Oil was broken up, via the Sherman Antitrust Act, in 1911.

My understanding for the "Sohio Marina Stations" is that BP(/Amoco) uses Sohio signs there to keep their trademark, on Sohio, active.

And if you're interested in a timeline for Standard Oil, someone put the following webpage together 5-6 years ago... http://www.us-highways.com/sohist.htm

 

Actually, the 1914 antitrust act is the Clayton Act, as opposed to the Sherman act, which was founded in 1890 -- the Clayton Act is more specific than the Sherman... State-based Standard Oils were actually being founded even prior to the passage of the Sherman Act, but clearly John D. was found to be restraining interstate commerce with his monopolization activities.

^? 

 

Not that it's on topic or that anyone should care so much, but Magyar (and conventional knowledge) are correct: the Standard Oil Trust was finally broken up in 1911 when the Supreme Court affirmed a lower court's finding that the Trust violated the the "act of July 2, 1890, c. 647, p. 209, known as the Anti-Trust Act" [the Sherman Anti-Trust Act].

 

The court decision is available at http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0221_0001_ZO.html

I bumping this thread to add the newest addition to my collection. I've been searching for this one for many years.

 

1936 SOHIO Cleveland map featuring the Great Lakes Exposition:

 

 

 

 

 

The front side has a map of greater Cleveland and downtown like the ones I have already posted. Warrensville has a bunch of little tree symbols and it says "Warrensville Farms." Does anyone know anything about that?

What a fabulous map!

 

I think, if my memory serves me correct, that Warrensville Farms is the old "crazy house".

 

God, I loved SOHIO!  :cry:

 

 

God, I loved SOHIO!

 

I know of a Sohio sign [and station?] still standing if you're feeling nostalgic and want to go visit.