Posted February 20, 200520 yr I knew it was going to happen sooner or later, that bar should have been closed years ago! Police Investigate Bay Horse Cafe Shooting www.wcpo.com Reported by: 9News Web produced by: Neil Relyea Photographed by: 9News 2/19/2005 6:00:32 PM Cincinnati police are interviewing witnesses to a homicide that happened downtown only a few hours ago. Police say an argument at the Bay Horse Care, located at 625 Main Street, flowed out onto the street around 3 p.m. Saturday afternoon -- and sometime during the argument, a person was shot.
February 20, 200520 yr Why would that bar be any more different than any other bar that's open on Main St?
February 20, 200520 yr Why would that bar be any more different than any other bar that's open on Main St? You have got to be kidding me! That bar is as bad or worse than the now closed Martin's Bar by Findlay market on Elm. It is a constant problem for Police. It was located next to the crackhouse hotel FT Washington which is now being rehabbed into condos thank God. It's location 1 block from the Aronoff Center does not help. I haven't heard of too many bars downtown where the patrons fight and have shootings at 3:00 in the afternoon.
February 20, 200520 yr The Bay Horse is the dive to end all dives. The bar is busy from 5am-2pm because many of its clientele are unemployed (I am often panhandled by patrons just out of the Bay Horse). There is a radius of urine and beer stench within a 1/3 block in both directions. I've never seen a police run there personally, but during my recent ride-along, the officer commented that there are a lot of runs to the Bay Horse, usually for fights. I say close it down.
February 20, 200520 yr Hey Kendall, while you're at get 'em to close down the Dennison Hotel as well. That's where most of the Bay Horse bums rest up between their binges. Get rid of Bay Horse and the Dennison and you might make it to work without being bummed for a dollar.
February 20, 200520 yr Kendall have you been to the chinese/vietnamese rest next door to the bayhorse? I go there all the time, owner is nice, food is inexpensive and delicious also the inside of the restraunt is super clean. He should have more business but many people I know won't go there just because it's next to the bayhorse.
February 20, 200520 yr Every bar has fights. If that's a reason to close it down. Then every bar should be closed down. The incident happend outside the bar so how can you fault it for that? This is the firsttime i have heard of the place. Because of this one time incident, that should not be a reason to have a bar closed down. If so they should close the bar down in northside that was being rob a couple of years ago, but a patron shot the robber.
February 20, 200520 yr I've walked by the Bay Horse a few times...that stretch of Main is sort of old-school ungentrified downtown. I think the real issue here is yukky poor/marginal people. Sure, one could shut down the Bay Horse, shut down the residential hotels around it, and then the people who live in them can be homeless and will continue to be source of annoyance...but maybe not on that block of Main Street.
February 20, 200520 yr Yeah, fights happen at or around most bars. In my opinion, whether frequent fights should lead to revocation of a liquor license is a matter of degree. At a certain point, an establishment becomes a cancer on the neighborhood. In every town or city I've ever lived, a bar has been closed or threatened with closure after frequent fights and/or a shooting. I know the patrons of the Bay Horse will go elsewhere to drink once it closes. But to me it doesn't make sense for the community to just assume the new watering hole will also be an epicenter of violent behavior and illicit activit, and so justify letting the Bay Horse persist. That would be like not jailing an armed robber because, eh, he'll just do it again anyway when he gets out.
February 20, 200520 yr ^ The liquor license was taken away about a year ago, but the bar is continuing to operate because it's being appealed.
February 20, 200520 yr I just happened to be a block away and heard the gun shot. I was walking west on 8th St. right after having parked my car at the small lot at the NW corner of Main & 8th, having driven past the Bayhorse 2 minutes earlier. I was pretty sure it was a gun shot and within a minute or two police were swarming the area.
February 20, 200520 yr The shooter turned himself in today. That's the brightest thing he's done all week, and, from the descriptions of him, his life.
February 21, 200520 yr I got interrupted and couldn't finish that post. Anyway, there was only one shot so I'm pretty sure it was point blank. At the time I thought either somebody was just shooting in the air or they missed. Definitely a shooting in broad daylight about 3 blocks from Fountain Square is going to make the news but I'm guessing it was somebody he knew, which is the case with most shootings. Also the rumor I heard is that the Phoenix Cafe's owner was offered $1 million to sell the property but he won't get out of there, presumably because they're running a drug and prostitution business that's making a lot more $ than that. I do know through the grapevine that coke, etc. was being run out of the Metropole Apartments via the patrons of the Phoenix Cafe as of about three years ago and my guess is the same situation is going on at the Bayhorse.
February 21, 200520 yr my guess is the same situation is going on at the Bayhorse. Yep, it has been going on for years.The Phoenix Cafe is the other black eye in the downtown bar scene. I'm not surprised that owner didn't take the million for that property he is probably making way more in interest. Best we can do as residents is object at liqour license hearings for their renewal. Martins Bar on Elm was a big win for us, that place was freakin unreal.
February 21, 200520 yr huh. I used to live 2 blocks from there and I went in for a beer once over the summer to watch the end of a baseball game. It was daylight, and hte crowd was obviously the "old man bar" type of clientelle but I didnt get hassled. I think my Bud was $1.50.
February 21, 200520 yr Yea that is the nice thing about it, the cheap beer price. The Hudy on tap was nice too.
February 21, 200520 yr huh. I used to live 2 blocks from there and I went in for a beer once over the summer to watch the end of a baseball game. It was daylight, and hte crowd was obviously the "old man bar" type of clientelle but I didnt get hassled. I think my Bud was $1.50. It's my hang out. I would have hasseled you had I seen you. I want to deal drugs and pimp my hos in peace. Don't need you around to mess up my fun.
February 23, 200520 yr Great news for that block of downtown! :lol: Bar Near Weekend Murder Raided, Shut Down RELATED WCPO STORY Police Investigate Bay Horse Cafe Shooting (2/19/05) The Bayhorse Cafe on Main Street, Tuesday (www.WCPO.com) Officers loaded booze into a truck (WCPO/WCPO.com) Reported by: 9News Web produced by: Mark Sickmiller Photographed by: 9News Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:43:45 PM Cincinnati police officers raided and shut down a downtown bar late Tuesday afternoon. Officers took liquor out of the Bay Horse Cafe on Main Street. Over the weekend, a man was shot to death outside the bar after an argument. Police say Tuesday's raid is not related to the murder investigation.
February 23, 200520 yr The news this morning said they removed the liquor because the place lacked the proper permission to serve it. Basically, they were serving liquor without a license.
February 23, 200520 yr I am often panhandled by patrons just out of the Bay Horse Me too. Probably the #1 spot in the city I was always panhandled.
February 23, 200520 yr Here's the 2/23/05 Enquirer story with a few more details: Bar shut down after city determines license invalid Shooting of patron Saturday spurred records check By Jane Prendergast Enquirer staff writer A bar outside of which a customer was shot to death last weekend closed Tuesday after city officials realized its liquor license had been invalid for more than a year. Cincinnati police officers and agents from the Ohio Department of Liquor Control confiscated all the alcohol Tuesday afternoon from the Bay Horse Café. The Main Street bar, adjacent to the Aronoff Center for the Arts, had its liquor license revoked in January 2004 after the city objected to the license renewal because of drugs, prostitution and theft connected to the bar. E-mail [email protected] http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050223/NEWS01/502230381/1056
February 23, 200520 yr Watch the city get sued now, because they were negligent at allowing it to continue to operate on a invalid license.
February 23, 200520 yr Oh well, the city needs to stop making ldecisions based on fear of bad press. People on council need to grow some balls. (No gender bias)
February 23, 200520 yr What I want to know is who gets fired for allowing a bar to run illegally for a year. This city is run by some of the most incompetent people.
February 23, 200520 yr Two of them were arrested on outstanding warrants unrelated to the bar's closure. Wow.
February 24, 200520 yr What I want to know is who gets fired for allowing a bar to run illegally for a year. This city is run by some of the most incompetent people. I don't know, in a large city with a large bureaucracy, things tend to slip through the cracks sometimes. I don't feel that the city had a clue. I mean, I find it kind of "convenient" that the Bay Horse getting shut down happened a couple of days after a murder in broad daylight in the middle of downtown. "Is not related to the murder investigation", my ass.
April 17, 200520 yr An update from the 4/17/05 Enquirer: Bar closes after losing liquor license City says crime in area has fallen Enquirer staff report DOWNTOWN - The Bay Horse Café cannot sell alcohol while the bar appeals the denial of its liquor permit renewal. City officials had been trying for more than a year to shut down the bar at 625 Main St. Then in February, an argument among patrons ended in a fatal shooting outside the bar. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050417/NEWS01/504170415/1056/rss02
June 29, 200519 yr It looks like they're done. From the 6/29/05 Enquirer: Bay Horse Café fails in attempt to get license back By Jane Prendergast Enquirer staff writer A downtown bar found to be operating without a valid license after a fatal shooting outside this winter lost another attempt at reopening. The Ohio Liquor Control Commission last week upheld its previous decision against the Bay Horse Café's request to renew its liquor license. "At this point,'' said Mark Anderson of the commission, "(the bar's) only option is to go to common pleas court.'' E-mail [email protected] http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050629/NEWS01/506290386/1056
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