Oh, I noticed the sidewalks were kind of weird, but the last time I went by they didn't have trees.  That does sound weird all around, but traffic doesn't really go fast through any part of Montgomery through Norwood, so hopefully it won't be too bad.

The sidewalk configuration along Montgomery is very peculiar though.  There's a small, like maybe 3 or 4 foot sidewalk along the curb with utility poles rammed into it, then a berm with lots of trees, bushes, and ornamental grasses, then another wider sidewalk higher up that sort of roller coasters down to the north to be level with all the storefronts.  Aside from the trees hiding the storefronts and signs from the street, it's a surprisingly anti-urban pattern that treats Montgomery as a car sewer to be retreated from.  If per chance they allow street parking, it might help a little bit, but my guess is they won't.

 

I love XU, but I am not surprised by this.  The XU campus has always been (in my view) about making it into a bubble.  It's always felt like a suburban-type of college campus, despite its obvious urban location. 

Xavier was a suburban campus that the city caught up to and passed. When the Xs (St.X and XU) were still downtown, this was the first of two moves out of town. St. X left later for even farther north.

Xavier was developed around Victory Parkway. There is a great book that I came across a while back when I worked up there that explained the methodology of location selection and it's orientation towards the parkway. At the time, Xavier was on the edge of the city with a lot of room to grow. All buildings essentially oriented inward.

 

By the 1960's, that plan had to open up. Alter Hall was one of the first major buildings built out of the parkway valley. It required students to cross Herald, which was open at the time. It was later closed off to the extent that it is today - and the main reason the stub remains off of Dana is for fire access and for that one house that stubbornly remained for years.

 

There are a lot of great pictures in the archives. Silly things like houses in the court yards of various campus buildings were allowed to remain (like here: http://goo.gl/maps/jPpBj) that were privately owned. Jesuits lived in them in later years, and then they became university offices. Schott Hall housed all of the Jesuits when that was built later on, and then it too became offices when the number of Jesuits declined (age, non-renewal, etc.).

 

It's not that Xavier didn't open up to Evanston or North Avondale - it just was that the city grew up around it.

The sidewalk configuration along Montgomery is very peculiar though.  There's a small, like maybe 3 or 4 foot sidewalk along the curb with utility poles rammed into it, then a berm with lots of trees, bushes, and ornamental grasses, then another wider sidewalk higher up that sort of roller coasters down to the north to be level with all the storefronts.  Aside from the trees hiding the storefronts and signs from the street, it's a surprisingly anti-urban pattern that treats Montgomery as a car sewer to be retreated from.  If per chance they allow street parking, it might help a little bit, but my guess is they won't.

 

I love XU, but I am not surprised by this.  The XU campus has always been (in my view) about making it into a bubble.  It's always felt like a suburban-type of college campus, despite its obvious urban location. 

 

I went by there today and was surprised to see parking meters have been installed along the west side of Montgomery from Cleneay to the railroad tracks.  They might go to Dana but I honestly don't recall.  Of course I suspect parking won't be allowed from 7-9AM and 4-6PM, but it's a good move anyway. 

Xavier upgrades Cintas Center in time for promising season

 

 

Xavier University has made some renovations to enhance the fan experience in time for a season filled with high expectations, but it’s also gearing up for even bigger changes next year.

 

Xavier is in the midst of a $30 million upgrade of its 16-year-old Cintas Center on-campus home. Athletic Director Greg Christopher has ramped up the expected budget for the eight-year project launched more than a year ago.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/11/02/xavier-upgrades-cintas-center-in-time-for.html

XU basketball now ranked #4 and UC is ranked #5. 

The Xavier website has a nice rundown of work currently underway on campus:

 

https://www.xavier.edu/now/Summer-Campus-Construction-Projects.xm

 

^ So, basically they are demolishing a bunch of bungalows and replacing them with 'green space'. There's no reason those houses on Dana couldn't have been renovated for student or faculty housing, but instead, Xavier is choosing to knock them down so they can have more of a "campus in a park" environment. The only positive I see in that update is the construction of the new rec center, but otherwise, it seems like Xavier is making some really dumb moves. There is a ton of green space around XU, but please, knock down historic housing to create more lawns that no one will ever use. Ugh.

Do you even need those greens anymore with everyone looking at their phone all the time?

XU moving out of DT Cincinnati back in 1920 or so was a disaster for the university and for DT Cincinnati.  Its suburban campus has always been amazingly mediocre.  But that exact same institution, had it stayed in DT Cincinnati, would have helped mitigate its otherwise inevitable decline. 

XU moving out of DT Cincinnati back in 1920 or so was a disaster for the university and for DT Cincinnati.  Its suburban campus has always been amazingly mediocre.  But that exact same institution, had it stayed in DT Cincinnati, would have helped mitigate its otherwise inevitable decline. 

Not sure what "decline" you're referring to. Xavier has been doing well, especially over the last decade or so. I, personally, would love if Cincinnati had a university in downtown, but that's just my personal preference. UC also started downtown. I don't fault either Xavier or UC for moving to create more space, and I certainly don't have the confidence to know if either would've been "more successful" (however you want to define it) had they chosen to stay downtown.

Delete the basketball team and Cintas Center from the equation and XU has a presence in Cincinnati on par with the College of Mt. St. Joseph, in other words it's completely invisible.  If it had stayed downtown, we would have had 1,000-2,000 students living in and near downtown that would have been a stabilizing force when DT Cincinnati flirted with Detroit-type abandonment in the late 1990s.  That whole time we would have had some students renting in Over-the-Rhine instead of Norwood. 

 

Still, even today the rental market in Evanston, Avondale, and Norwood for XU students is quite weak. 

Instead of tearing down those houses, Xavier should copy UD's Ghetto strategy and buy up the whole neighborhood, rehab it, and rent it to upperclassmen. It works as a spectacular recruiting tool for UD and stabilizes the surrounding area. Push back to further tuition increases is forcing schools to compete more on housing to justify higher prices.

Heck they could even build a Ghetto-size neighborhood entirely from scratch on the east Cintas lot and the Dollar General lot.

UD is an OK school. Not well rated and the campus is a mess. A complete dog's breakfast.  But, it is uniquely a Marianist University and there aren't many of them anywhere.

 

Xavier is one of the top Jesuit Universities and has a very small local student population. I recall Fr. Graham tossing out a statistic of 91% out of state students. And, the campus is now quite lovely. They compete against classic Ivy style campuses and the notion of doing anything to integrate the ghetto is a non starter. Xavier did its civic duty in turning a brownfield abandoned industrial site into campus amenities. I don't think they deserve to have to do any more.

I've always considered UD and Xavier be to more or less in the same academic tier. US News & Report has UD ranked as #124 in the National University rankings, tied with Colorado State and Arizona. Xavier is listed as #5 in Regional Universities Midwest, behind Valparaiso at 4 and ahead of John Carroll at 6. I'm not sure how to compare between the different rankings. They're both listed in the "Best Value" list with Xavier at #22 and UD at #73. To me it's pretty much a wash, but you could probably make an argument either way. I would consider the "top Jesuit universities" to be Georgetown (#20 USNR National Ranking), Boston College (#32 National), and maybe Villanova (#46 National).

 

Personally I prefer Dayton's campus to Xavier's, but they're both nice. I suppose it comes down to personal taste.

I recall Fr. Graham tossing out a statistic of 91% out of state students.

 

 

Current out of state totals for Xavier (source: https://www.xavier.edu/institutional-research/institutional-research/Enrollment.cfm)

Undergrad: 55%

Grad: 29%

Total: 47%

 

 

Pretty impressive numbers, and more than I realized.

I have confirmed that 55% number. Sorry, my mistake. Wife recalls the statistic differently.

 

Delete the basketball team and Cintas Center from the equation and XU has a presence in Cincinnati on par with the College of Mt. St. Joseph, in other words it's completely invisible.  If it had stayed downtown, we would have had 1,000-2,000 students living in and near downtown that would have been a stabilizing force when DT Cincinnati flirted with Detroit-type abandonment in the late 1990s.  That whole time we would have had some students renting in Over-the-Rhine instead of Norwood. 

 

Still, even today the rental market in Evanston, Avondale, and Norwood for XU students is quite weak. 

Yeah just take out one of the countries top 25 basketball programs, that's not a big deal at all.  O and lets also throw out one of the nicer on campus arenas in the country, one that not only serves men's and women's sports at Xavier but is also used by most of the cities high schools for sports and graduations. 

Xavier's done a fantastic job with the campus.  As a graduate of both Xavier and UC, I prefer Xavier's campus feeling of green space and continuity to UC's urban starchitecture approach (though I understand that's a matter of taste, and others prefer UC). 

 

Xavier and UD are pretty comparable schools--the "national vs. regional" university thing is just a matter of classification, and it does make it very hard to figure out where everyone "fits in" in the rankings.  For example, Villanova (listed up thread) was traditionally included in the "Regional Universities -- East" listings until a year or two ago; it was moved over to the national universities, where it immediately went into the top 50.  I think if you look at things like test scores, etc., Xavier does pretty well.  And it's become more and more diverse through the years, to the point that it's student body population is now more diverse than many state schools.

 

One minor quibble--Villanova is not a Jesuit school; I forget what order it is (maybe Vincentian?).  The top 2 Jesuit schools, without any doubt, are Georgetown and Boston College. 

Not to belbor the point, but there are Jesuit schools and there are "Jesuit" schools. Georgetown does everything they can not to look, act, or teach like a Jesuit school. They are a good school for sure, but barely Jesuit. Xavier is at the heart of the Jesuit education philosophy. I don't know about Boston College, but I'd suspect the same.

Xavier is still pretty tiny, and is about half the total size of University of Dayton. I think comparison between the schools is superficial at best, and probably stems from the basketball rivalry of the two schools. Dayton has a much larger research presence, an engineering school, law school, etc. I think it's great that XU has grown its profile in recent years, but it still has such a small impact on Cincinnati. There is no real student neighborhood with the amenities (bars, restaurants, coffee shops, retail outlets) one would associate with a major university. The campus is basically one linear stretch, and is very insular with nothing much to see from the street. I'm glad it exists in Cincinnati, but I wish it would be more like a UD and less like a Mount St. Joe.

Yeah UD's student neighborhood has been notorious for decades.  I played in a band at a UD house party when I was in college and that party ranked as the high point of that particular band, despite having some of our equipment stolen, including the fog machine.  XU has no party culture to speak of and only one sad little bar, Dana Gardens.  Has anyone heard of a band playing a house party in Norwood?  No. 

 

The wildest thing that has ever happened at XU was the BASF explosion, which I'll never forget seeing from 471 riding back from Coney Island.  It looked like a Soviet ICBM strike with a black cloud of smoke rising thousands of feet into the air.  Much more impressive than that propane tank explosion at the zoo back in 1997. 

 

Well, to be fair, UD also doesn't have a 40,000 student research school 1.5 miles away from it, either, so it's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison.  I think if you check out the benchmarking and the student populations, you will see that there's a lot in common between the schools. 

 

As for the party culture, I can only speak for my times as a student, but there was definitely plenty of social activity going on--multiple house parties in Norwood and North Avondale every weekend night, etc.  Every Xavier student worth their salt did the Montgomery Mile, starting at Sorrento's on the north end of Norwood and hitting every bar on the way. 

 

And as for Dana's--hey, it's no Uncle Woody's I guess (actually, it's at least as nice as that), but it's undeniably a Xavier thing.  I was sad to see The Woods go, too.  That was a fun spot. 

 

But I'm sure others who never went to Xavier know far more about the Xavier scene than alumni. 

The party/bar scene for UC is weak for such a large university.  100+ people spilling out of a single house, let alone coordinated effort amongst neighbors is a rare sight in Clifton.  The only really independent college bars are Uncle Woody's and Mac's.  The Mad Frog is currently under sleazy Russian ownership that does not cater to college students, and Short Vine is all tarted up now. 

 

Neither Cincinnati school can compete with UD for campus culture, and UD is not on the level of OU.  People can laugh all they want but party school alums have a ton of loyalty to their schools.  My dad is retiring and still gets together with his UD housemates 2-3x per year. 

 

^ That is most definitely true. I used to sneak up to visit friends at UD when I was in high school, and I managed to make it up a few times in college, too. It's a pretty crazy environment there, and you can reliably count on just going from party to party all throughout the neighborhood, basically all night. UC does have a little party neighborhood kind of over where the frat houses are, and yeah there are a few bars, but its campus party scene is pretty weak, too, especially compared to OU and UD. Xavier, however, literally has like zero nightlife. I had plenty of friends who went to Xavier, and they all commented that it was super boring around campus, so they tended to go out other places in the city. With Uber and Lyft, it does make it much easier to get around. No more waiting on a sketchy corner in Norwood for some equally sketchy cab to pick you up an hour and a half after you called.

College is way more about nerd stuff now

All the UC and XU kids go out to the banks, OTR and Mt Adams (though Mt Adams has died down with the other two surging in recent years).  Unless there's something going on on campus or they're underage with a shitty fake they're going out downtown most of the time.  That's the benefit of going to college in an actual city vs Athens, Dayton or Oxford.  Same thing goes on at OSU in Columbus.  When you're young it's all house parties and trying to get into campus bars.  Once you hit 21 or get a good fake you go out way more often in Short North. 

All the UC and XU kids go out to the banks, OTR and Mt Adams (though Mt Adams has died down with the other two surging in recent years).  Unless there's something going on on campus or they're underage with a shitty fake they're going out downtown most of the time.  That's the benefit of going to college in an actual city vs Athens, Dayton or Oxford.  Same thing goes on at OSU in Columbus.  When you're young it's all house parties and trying to get into campus bars.  Once you hit 21 or get a good fake you go out way more often in Short North. 

 

I can't speak for UC or Xavier but I CAN speak for OSU.  Ohio State college kids do not go to the Short North, even when they are over 21.  7th Street is as far south as your typical OSU student goes and it is VERY much like UD where it's off-campus party-centric (aka any street east of High or north of Lane) + college strip for bars (High and Brown, respectively).  I'd argue the North Market area is more college-centric than the Short North.  Jake is correct and it has nothing to do with an "actual city."  "Actual cities" also have college ghettos that are vibrant (Dinkytown, Westwood, Cambridge/Somerville, Guadelupe, University Hill, etc).  Using OTR and Mt. Adams is a cop-out, in all honesty.

All the UC and XU kids go out to the banks, OTR and Mt Adams (though Mt Adams has died down with the other two surging in recent years).  Unless there's something going on on campus or they're underage with a shitty fake they're going out downtown most of the time.  That's the benefit of going to college in an actual city vs Athens, Dayton or Oxford.  Same thing goes on at OSU in Columbus.  When you're young it's all house parties and trying to get into campus bars.  Once you hit 21 or get a good fake you go out way more often in Short North. 

 

I can't speak for UC or Xavier but I CAN speak for OSU.  Ohio State college kids do not go to the Short North, even when they are over 21.  7th Street is as far south as your typical OSU student goes and it is VERY much like UD where it's off-campus party-centric (aka any street east of High or north of Lane) + college strip for bars (High and Brown, respectively).  I'd argue the North Market area is more college-centric than the Short North.  Jake is correct and it has nothing to do with an "actual city."  "Actual cities" also have college ghettos that are vibrant (Dinkytown, Westwood, Cambridge/Somerville, Guadelupe, University Hill, etc).  Using OTR and Mt. Adams is a cop-out, in all honesty.

 

I think you are pretty much spot on about OSU students, at least during the school year. I do think there are a decent number college students that end up in the Short North from surrounding schools like Capital and ODU. Park Street has historically sucked many of the college kids from the Short North that weren't up near campus, so it will be interesting to see what happens with some of the Park Street bars closing down.

This could just be me blowing smoke, but as a Clevelander who went to UC for his undergrad and currently is finishing up his masters at UD, my hypothesis has always just been that Cincy's deeply-entrenched drinking culture plays a significant role in why there isn't the same party atmosphere. When you've grown up around all these people drinking all the time, there isn't the same allure as someone who's off to UD or OU and away from mommy and daddy for the first time and prepared to binge drink every single weekend for the next four years. The fractured nature of UC's student ghettos probably plays a bit of a role, as well as the fact that everyone was constantly being warned at how unsafe Uptown is, which probably scared off at least a handful of people from getting totally wasted in public.

 

Some of those CCM and DAAP kids sure knew how to party, though.

This could just be me blowing smoke, but as a Clevelander who went to UC for his undergrad and currently is finishing up his masters at UD, my hypothesis has always just been that Cincy's deeply-entrenched drinking culture plays a significant role in why there isn't the same party atmosphere. When you've grown up around all these people drinking all the time, there isn't the same allure as someone who's off to UD or OU and away from mommy and daddy for the first time and prepared to binge drink every single weekend for the next four years. The fractured nature of UC's student ghettos probably plays a bit of a role, as well as the fact that everyone was constantly being warned at how unsafe Uptown is, which probably scared off at least a handful of people from getting totally wasted in public.

 

Some of those CCM and DAAP kids sure knew how to party, though.

 

Eh, I don't really buy it. I'm an Ohio alum. I have many UC friends. They like(d) binge drinking just as much as OU kids, they just weren't as good at it ;)

Cincy's deeply-entrenched drinking culture

^Does Cincinnati actually have an unusual drinking culture, relative to other cities? I grew up here, and have lived in a number of cities around the country and I honestly don't see any significant difference at the city level. Certainly, individual neighborhoods might have differences, but not sure what you could generalize at the city level.

All the UC and XU kids go out to the banks, OTR and Mt Adams (though Mt Adams has died down with the other two surging in recent years).  Unless there's something going on on campus or they're underage with a shitty fake they're going out downtown most of the time.  That's the benefit of going to college in an actual city vs Athens, Dayton or Oxford.  Same thing goes on at OSU in Columbus.  When you're young it's all house parties and trying to get into campus bars.  Once you hit 21 or get a good fake you go out way more often in Short North. 

 

I can't speak for UC or Xavier but I CAN speak for OSU.  Ohio State college kids do not go to the Short North, even when they are over 21.  7th Street is as far south as your typical OSU student goes and it is VERY much like UD where it's off-campus party-centric (aka any street east of High or north of Lane) + college strip for bars (High and Brown, respectively).  I'd argue the North Market area is more college-centric than the Short North.  Jake is correct and it has nothing to do with an "actual city."  "Actual cities" also have college ghettos that are vibrant (Dinkytown, Westwood, Cambridge/Somerville, Guadelupe, University Hill, etc).  Using OTR and Mt. Adams is a cop-out, in all honesty.

When I went to OSU it wasn't like I said.  I graduated in 2010 and went to Short North/Arena District/Downtown occasionally but mostly stayed on campus.  But I have younger brothers and cousins that either recently graduated or are there now and they tell me me they spend much more time in Short North or downtown then on campus if they're going out to bars.  I think it's a combination of some of the better bars on campus closing due to construction and the growing of Short North to the point where it pretty much runs all the way to campus now. 

 

I didn't go to XU or UC but being from and living Cincy I've been to both campuses plenty of times.  Like others said Xavier has Danas and that's it so if you don't want to go there you go out somewhere else.  It was Mt Adams when I was that age but now it's become OTR or the banks.  UC has added a bunch of new bars but they're not college divey bars, they're all nice ones that have opened in the last 5-10 years.  I'm sure a good amount of people still go there since there are 40,000+ students but a lot just end up in OTR or downtown since they're just up the hill.  I honestly think places like Ladder 19 and Brass Tap get better crowds in the summer for FC games then they do during the school year.  Those are nice bars but they're not exactly where I was wanting to go while in college. 

 

College is way more about nerd stuff now

 

Is it?  My college only had the internet on two computers when I was a freshman, and you had to get the librarian to log you on.  But people watched SO MUCH TV. 

 

I remember some dude sophomore year who had a collection of 300+ VHS tapes.  He would bring down his VCR and watch whatever he wanted on the lounge TV and you just had to put up with it.  He was one of those people who knows every line to every movie since he's watched all of them 18 times. 

 

The thing that's amazing about college is how a solid half of the people show up and are already acting like lame 48 year-olds.  These people simply cannot be shaken from their lame routines.   

 

 

 

 

The XU/Trihealth Health United Building:

 

XU United Health Building 8-5-18 by Chad McCann, on Flickr

 

XU United Health Building (2) 8-5-18 by Chad McCann, on Flickr

XU reveals plans for $10M training center named for doctor group CEO

 

Xavier University has revealed plans for a $10 million athletic training facility that will provide sports medicine services as well as strength and conditioning areas for hundreds of student-athletes.

 

The Heidt Family Champions Center will be named for Dr. Rob Heidt Jr., who has been CEO of Wellington Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine since 2012, and his wife, Julia Scripps Heidt. They have three children, Chip, Austin and Nathan.

 

A doctor with Wellington since 1982 and a vice chair of the XU board of trustees, Heidt was team physician for the Cincinnati Bengals for 27 years and also served as president of the NFL Physicians’ Society. In addition, he was the team doctor for St. Xavier High School in Finneytown for more than 28 years and board chair of the high school.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/08/20/xu-reveals-plans-for-10m-training-center-named-for.html

 

An update on the XU/TriHealth Health United building (taken with my phone so not great quality)

 

Edited March 25, 20196 yr by Cincy_Travels

More student housing under construction next to Xavier University

 

 

Another phase of student housing is being developed next to Xavier University.

 

The owners of University Station, including Messer Development Co. and CTI Clinical Trial and Consulting Services, are adding a phase of student housing to the mixed-use development next to Xavier. The new four-story housing complex will have 49 units with 128 beds across a mix of units, ranging from efficiencies to up to five bedrooms.

 

The new building will be located just south of the existing 480 beds that were completed in 2014. That $54 million mixed-use development sits on 15 acres near Xavier University.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/04/more-student-housing-under-construction-next-to.html

Xavier University plans major Cintas Center revamp

 

Xavier University is launching a major renovation of Cintas Center that will significantly change the suite and club seating configuration while adding a fan gathering area.

 

Key changes include a reduction in the number of suites, the addition of a club area and changes to the Lookout section behind and above the basket on the north end of the arena.

 

This is the latest in a series of renovations Xavier has undertaken to improve and update Cintas Center, which opened in 2000 at a privately funded cost of $46 million.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/14/xavier-university-plans-major-cintas-center-revamp.html

Xavier has done a really good job of keeping the Cintas Center fresh. They have done a new renovation every 5-6 years and the building looks brand new. It's really the best arena in the city.

 

I'm interested to see where they put the stadium for the upcoming football team.

If they do add football, wouldn't they just use the existing soccer field and (re)expand the stands onto the hillside? It doesn't need to be big, Georgetown another Big East team with an FCS football team has a stadium of only about 4,000 people. Butler's has a little over 5,000. 

2 hours ago, ucgrady said:

If they do add football, wouldn't they just use the existing soccer field and (re)expand the stands onto the hillside? It doesn't need to be big, Georgetown another Big East team with an FCS football team has a stadium of only about 4,000 people. Butler's has a little over 5,000. 

 

Hopefully, no.  But it is possible.  Ideally a new stadium is built, surrounded by medical school building (s) and housing.  And hopefully a facility that can be used by students when not in use for the football team.

 

The soccer (and now lacrosse) facility is excellent for those sports and should be LINED and kept for those sports.

49 minutes ago, xu9697 said:

 

Hopefully, no.  But it is possible.  Ideally a new stadium is built, surrounded by medical school building (s) and housing.  And hopefully a facility that can be used by students when not in use for the football team.

 

The soccer (and now lacrosse) facility is excellent for those sports and should be LINED and kept for those sports.

There is zero space within the existing campus to accommodate a football team.  They converted a storage closet and umpire locker room into a women's lacrosse locker room last summer.  They will have to build an entirely new stadium, locker room, weight room, etc. for football.  

4 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Xavier has done a really good job of keeping the Cintas Center fresh. They have done a new renovation every 5-6 years and the building looks brand new. It's really the best arena in the city.

 

I'm interested to see where they put the stadium for the upcoming football team.

They have done a great job keep this arena looking good although UCs 5/3rd arena in my opinion is much better after it’s giant renovation.

2 hours ago, xu9697 said:

Ideally a new stadium is built, surrounded by medical school building

Is there actual talk of Xavier opening a medical school?

17 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

Is there actual talk of Xavier opening a medical school?

 

I am not privy to any of their future plans are in terms of growth. That being said, I have always thought X needs to pivot towards more STEM and add engineering and medical in order to grow and adapt to the future needs/wants to students and the region. 

 

That is likely more complicated than it sounds being historically a liberal arts school.

18 hours ago, 646empire said:

They have done a great job keep this arena looking good although UCs 5/3rd arena in my opinion is much better after it’s giant renovation.

 

Yeah I agree with you but Cintas has been kept up very well. Two good arenas is certainly not a bad thing!

A person I know who has some knowledge said the football stadium would probably be built in the lot across Dana Ave. from Listerman Brewing. A few other buildings would be added too.

2 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

A person I know who has some knowledge said the football stadium would probably be built in the lot across Dana Ave. from Listerman Brewing. A few other buildings would be added too.

The parking lot for the business college or the grass lot to the east? Both are owned by Xavier but the existing north/south running path is owned by SORTA and Wasson Way is planned to be extended from Montgomery through this space to Idlewild.