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Slightly off topic, but why does UC play seemingly every game on either Thursday or Friday? It's hard to take them seriously as a college football team when they never play saturday games.  I think UC should just stick to basketball.  The average non UC alum really couldn't care less about bearcat football, especially with the Bengals in town and OSU just 1.5 hours up 71. 

 

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Slightly off topic, but why does UC play seemingly every game on either Thursday or Friday? It's hard to take them seriously as a college football team when they never play saturday games.  I think UC should just stick to basketball.  The average non UC alum really couldn't care less about bearcat football, especially with the Bengals in town and OSU just 1.5 hours up 71. 

 

I disagree, anyone who went to UC after Bub Huggins was fired is typically a fan of the football team. UC was only a basketball school until Huggins was forced out, and UC joined the Big East and had a string of great football coaches. Granted, the typical older alumni might not think much of football, but recent grads do and the number of recent grads is constantly growing. As a more recent grad, I look down upon anyone who graduated from UC but considers themselves an OSU football fan - they just haven't yet realized what they have in town.

Slightly off topic, but why does UC play seemingly every game on either Thursday or Friday? It's hard to take them seriously as a college football team when they never play saturday games.  I think UC should just stick to basketball.  The average non UC alum really couldn't care less about bearcat football, especially with the Bengals in town and OSU just 1.5 hours up 71. 

 

I disagree, anyone who went to UC after Bub Huggins was fired is typically a fan of the football team. UC was only a basketball school until Huggins was forced out, and UC joined the Big East and had a string of great football coaches. Granted, the typical older alumni might not think much of football, but recent grads do and the number of recent grads is constantly growing. As a more recent grad, I look down upon anyone who graduated from UC but considers themselves an OSU football fan - they just haven't yet realized what they have in town.

 

I think it's Lance McAlister who automatically drops your call if you call in to talk about Bob Huggins.  The thing was all these guys around town had a crush on Huggins.  I work with one of them -- he's told me twice about the time he drank with Huggins at the Holy Grail until 4am.  The guy was actually blushing with a look of wonder in his eyes as he told the story. 

 

I think shutting down Calhoun before games is a worthwhile idea. It always seemed to me that students didn't "connect" with UC as well as compared to the other schools that I am familiar with. Like it was a place just to go to school so that you could get a job. A party zone similar to the ones even the southern schools have could help clear that up. You don't want people parking their cars there though.

The more I think about the feasibility - wouldn't Short Vine be a better choice to shut down for tailgating and a pregame street party? Calhoun provides access to thousands of parking spots under UPA and in U Square, so it wouldn't make sense to close those on game day, but Short Vine, especially after the current redesign is implemented, could be perfect. Especially if UC tries to use the former Pizza Hut/Blockbuster lot as the main tailgating lot, it could simply spill over onto Short Vine.

 

 

I think it's Lance McAlister who automatically drops your call if you call in to talk about Bob Huggins.  The thing was all these guys around town had a crush on Huggins.  I work with one of them -- he's told me twice about the time he drank with Huggins at the Holy Grail until 4am.  The guy was actually blushing with a look of wonder in his eyes as he told the story. 

 

 

Huggins is almost a Pete Rose type hero in Cincinnati. A man's man, a spectacular sportsman who brought joy to fans, and was ultimately tarnished by an evil outsider. No one cares about your rule violations if you can win games. It's a shame that something as stupid as driving drunk way too many times ended his legacy here, but it did set an example. There's a company called 3-2-1 Ride that operates in Cincy now, and it's single purpose is to drive out to where drunk, rich people are, and drive them and their car home. I have heard through sources that both the UC Athletic Department and the Reds have corporate accounts with them so the higher ups can get a free ride home and not risk a DUI. If we would have had that service back in the early 2000's Huggins might still be our coach. While we're on the topic, I wonder what it would take to get a street named after Huggins?

 

Slightly off topic, but why does UC play seemingly every game on either Thursday or Friday? It's hard to take them seriously as a college football team when they never play saturday games.  I think UC should just stick to basketball.  The average non UC alum really couldn't care less about bearcat football, especially with the Bengals in town and OSU just 1.5 hours up 71. 

 

UC usually averages 2 non saturday games. They never play on Saturday, lol. PAC 12, Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12 all play non saturday games.

 

Slightly off topic, but why does UC play seemingly every game on either Thursday or Friday? It's hard to take them seriously as a college football team when they never play saturday games.  I think UC should just stick to basketball.  The average non UC alum really couldn't care less about bearcat football, especially with the Bengals in town and OSU just 1.5 hours up 71. 

 

I disagree, anyone who went to UC after Bub Huggins was fired is typically a fan of the football team. UC was only a basketball school until Huggins was forced out, and UC joined the Big East and had a string of great football coaches. Granted, the typical older alumni might not think much of football, but recent grads do and the number of recent grads is constantly growing. As a more recent grad, I look down upon anyone who graduated from UC but considers themselves an OSU football fan - they just haven't yet realized what they have in town.

 

God bless you younger Alums, you guys have been awesome attending game and the student section at Nippert has been great in recent years.

Can't wait to get back to Nippert next season.

The more I think about the feasibility - wouldn't Short Vine be a better choice to shut down for tailgating and a pregame street party? Calhoun provides access to thousands of parking spots under UPA and in U Square, so it wouldn't make sense to close those on game day, but Short Vine, especially after the current redesign is implemented, could be perfect. Especially if UC tries to use the former Pizza Hut/Blockbuster lot as the main tailgating lot, it could simply spill over onto Short Vine.

 

Just party at both, I say.

 

 

Huggins is almost a Pete Rose type hero in Cincinnati. A man's man, a spectacular sportsman who brought joy to fans, and was ultimately tarnished by an evil outsider. No one cares about your rule violations if you can win games.

 

The thing was that Huggins' DUI was a *bad* DUI.  The guy was seriously messed up and obviously a danger to himself and others.  Amazingly Frank Solich kept his job at OU after passing out parked the wrong way just a block from the President's mansion.  It was only 8 or 9 at night and the bar actually kicked him out because he was too drunk. 

 

There is also the rumor circulating that a UC trustee who shall remain nameless wanted Huggins out because he got with his wife, which if true helps explain his ouster.  But the DUI was pretty bad on its own. 

 

 

The more I think about the feasibility - wouldn't Short Vine be a better choice to shut down for tailgating and a pregame street party? Calhoun provides access to thousands of parking spots under UPA and in U Square, so it wouldn't make sense to close those on game day, but Short Vine, especially after the current redesign is implemented, could be perfect. Especially if UC tries to use the former Pizza Hut/Blockbuster lot as the main tailgating lot, it could simply spill over onto Short Vine.

 

Just party at both, I say.

 

 

I think you have more students living closer to U Square. You have some Dorms, the 2 larger apartment developments on Calhoun, all the students living in house rentals down the hill from McMillan. Most of the Greek housing is west of Clifton Ave also. I think you can access the U Square garage from another street besides Calhoun. The street closing would only be for a few hours on a Saturday. I like the idea. Have Vendors put up some beer tents, and fire up the

grills. Cheers

Huggins also had an abysmal record graduating the athletes that were bringing the success to the team. Only 30% of players graduated under Huggins. It was not just the DUI that did it.

The more I think about the feasibility - wouldn't Short Vine be a better choice to shut down for tailgating and a pregame street party? Calhoun provides access to thousands of parking spots under UPA and in U Square, so it wouldn't make sense to close those on game day, but Short Vine, especially after the current redesign is implemented, could be perfect. Especially if UC tries to use the former Pizza Hut/Blockbuster lot as the main tailgating lot, it could simply spill over onto Short Vine.

 

Just party at both, I say.

 

 

I think you have more students living closer to U Square. You have some Dorms, the 2 larger apartment developments on Calhoun, all the students living in house rentals down the hill from McMillan. Most of the Greek housing is west of Clifton Ave also. I think you can access the U Square garage from another street besides Calhoun. The street closing would only be for a few hours on a Saturday. I like the idea. Have Vendors put up some beer tents, and fire up the

grills. Cheers

 

The scene in the 65 West parking lot gets pretty out-of-hand since you have a lot of parents itching for an opportunity to get drunk in public and the police can't get back there.  I've seen college students playing cornhole with their parents passed out in a lawn chair.  Another noteworthy apartment had a large saltwater aquarium in it.  Who the hell has the time and money when they're in college to maintain a saltwater aquarium?

 

 

Huggins also had an abysmal record graduating the athletes that were bringing the success to the team. Only 30% of players graduated under Huggins. It was not just the DUI that did it.

 

Frau Zimpher was told by some of the BOT, get rid of Huggs. The DUI helped, how she handled it was awful. An Irony about Zimpher, when she was President at UWM she had a basketball coach that had a 7% grad rate for players that she didn't fire, Bruce Pearl.

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Nippert taking shape,

 

It's already looking really good. Excited to see how it continues to come together.

I highly recommend taking a visit over to Nippert. The scale and scope of the West side is pretty awesome. Photos don't capture it like seeing it for yourself.

That is going to be a really really loud stadium.

^ The verticality of the press box/suites is impressive, and the view you catch of it from various nooks and crannies around campus are interesting. Prior to this expansion, the stadium was almost a surprise because of the way it is tucked down into the urban landscape. Now it still has that quaint feel of being a bowl sunk into the campus, but has a relative verticality that is unique amongst stadiums, so far as I know. I agree that it will be loud, especially with the amount of glass on the vertical face of the expansion, and the hard surfaces past the north end zone. It won’t seat a ton of people, but it’ll sound louder than much bigger stadiums.

^ The verticality of the press box/suites is impressive, and the view you catch of it from various nooks and crannies around campus are interesting. Prior to this expansion, the stadium was almost a surprise because of the way it is tucked down into the urban landscape. Now it still has that quaint feel of being a bowl sunk into the campus, but has a relative verticality that is unique amongst stadiums, so far as I know. I agree that it will be loud, especially with the amount of glass on the vertical face of the expansion, and the hard surfaces past the north end zone. It won’t seat a ton of people, but it’ll sound louder than much bigger stadiums.

 

I seriously can't overstate the need to see the structure in person. It. Is. HUGE.

 

Because it is a shoe dug into the ground in the middle of campus, the surrounding buildings will contribute to the noise. If they ever expand the upper bowl on the east side and close the gap to Dieterle, it could rival 80k+ capacity stadiums in terms of noise.

After the recent B12 Co-Champion deal in college football and Baylor and TCU being left out of the 4 team playoff, talk has started about expanding the B12 to include 12 teams instead of the current 10, and having a B12 title game.  Hearing a lot about Cincinnati, Memphis and BYU and Boise State.

 

With West Virginia already in the B12 though, adding Cincinnati and Memphis would give West Virginia some more regional partners.

 

With the Nippert expansion and possible 5/3rd expansion, it looks like Cincinnati is pushing to get the invite to a Power 5.  I think it would be great for the University to have this designation.  Even though sports isn't the end all be all in college, having that designation a long with the TV money would do a lot for UC.  Should be interesting.  The football team and basketball team can definitely compete in that conference at a high level.

After the recent B12 Co-Champion deal in college football and Baylor and TCU being left out of the 4 team playoff, talk has started about expanding the B12 to include 12 teams instead of the current 10, and having a B12 title game.  Hearing a lot about Cincinnati, Memphis and BYU and Boise State.

 

With West Virginia already in the B12 though, adding Cincinnati and Memphis would give West Virginia some more regional partners.

 

With the Nippert expansion and possible 5/3rd expansion, it looks like Cincinnati is pushing to get the invite to a Power 5.  I think it would be great for the University to have this designation.  Even though sports isn't the end all be all in college, having that designation a long with the TV money would do a lot for UC.  Should be interesting.  The football team and basketball team can definitely compete in that conference at a high level.

 

We kind of had the designation, then the Big East suffered death by a thousand cuts ESPN. Wouldn't it be tragic if we joined B12 and then that conference was destroyed as the others decided to go to 16 members.

After the recent B12 Co-Champion deal in college football and Baylor and TCU being left out of the 4 team playoff, talk has started about expanding the B12 to include 12 teams instead of the current 10, and having a B12 title game.  Hearing a lot about Cincinnati, Memphis and BYU and Boise State.

 

With West Virginia already in the B12 though, adding Cincinnati and Memphis would give West Virginia some more regional partners.

 

With the Nippert expansion and possible 5/3rd expansion, it looks like Cincinnati is pushing to get the invite to a Power 5.  I think it would be great for the University to have this designation.  Even though sports isn't the end all be all in college, having that designation a long with the TV money would do a lot for UC.  Should be interesting.  The football team and basketball team can definitely compete in that conference at a high level.

 

We kind of had the designation, then the Big East suffered death by a thousand cuts ESPN. Wouldn't it be tragic if we joined B12 and then that conference was destroyed as the others decided to go to 16 members.

 

Or we should just realign and have 8 conferences of 16 teams, with the champion of each getting a playoff spot - but that's way too logical, and doesn't make enough money for everyone.

 

At very least, the 5 conferences should all go to 16 teams, two divisions a piece, with the winners of each playing each other in a championship game to get a playoff spot. A 6th playoff spot should go to an at-large team from the other conferences.

After the recent B12 Co-Champion deal in college football and Baylor and TCU being left out of the 4 team playoff, talk has started about expanding the B12 to include 12 teams instead of the current 10, and having a B12 title game.  Hearing a lot about Cincinnati, Memphis and BYU and Boise State.

 

With West Virginia already in the B12 though, adding Cincinnati and Memphis would give West Virginia some more regional partners.

 

With the Nippert expansion and possible 5/3rd expansion, it looks like Cincinnati is pushing to get the invite to a Power 5.  I think it would be great for the University to have this designation.  Even though sports isn't the end all be all in college, having that designation a long with the TV money would do a lot for UC.  Should be interesting.  The football team and basketball team can definitely compete in that conference at a high level.

 

Yeah I hope UC gets the invite. It is good for UC, the State of Ohio, might even help getting into the AAU. I like Memphis to tag along.

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Latest Nippert update...

 

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I was over south of UC to go to FedEx and got lunch at Einstein's.  The view from the south of campus parking lot is great, never noticed before.  You can see the massive press box from there.  It is quite a site.  I want to get to a game there, would be quite a treat!

 

Has UC Football been selling out their games in the last few years?  (I know last year they played at Paul Brown).

I was over south of UC to go to FedEx and got lunch at Einstein's.  The view from the south of campus parking lot is great, never noticed before.  You can see the massive press box from there.  It is quite a site.  I want to get to a game there, would be quite a treat!

 

Has UC Football been selling out their games in the last few years?  (I know last year they played at Paul Brown).

 

They were very much so under capacity at Paul Brown. They should never, ever play games there again, even if it means the big schools won't come to town (Oklahoma a few years ago wouldn't play at Nippert, neither would Ohio State). Though if UC gets picked up by the Big 12 as has been rumored, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. wouldn't have a choice.

 

At Nippert they sell out big games, and games during nice weather. Against teams like Tulane, Temple, SMU, etc. they are a few thousand under capacity, despite the fact that they win nearly every home game they play. I think next year many of the games will sell out because of the new stadium, especially if UC does well again. If UC ends up in the Big 12 I think sellouts will become routine.

UC signs architects to redesign arena

Feb 13, 2015, 6:57am EST

Staff Cincinnati Business Courier

 

The University of Cincinnati has hired the architectural firm that designed Louisville's KFC Yum! Center and Great American Ball Park to explore options for redesigning Fifth Third Arena, WCPO reports.

 

Kansas City-based Populous, formerly known as HOK Sport, the company behind Yum! Center and GABP, along with Columbus-based Moody Nolan, which worked on Paul Brown Stadium, will serve as design consultants for the possible renovation.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2015/02/uc-signs-architects-to-redesign-arena.html

I think it is safe to say UC is going all in for the Big 12 / ACC, which is really good.  If UC joined the Big 12, I think a lot of alums who weren't the biggest fans would become much bigger supporters.  Seems a lot of UC fans that aren't die hard, really are die hard Ohio State fans.  Being in a cruddy conference can do that.

 

Iowa State is perennially is a bottom dweller in football, but they still draw 50k people per game.  Having teams like Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, etc. in your conference ups the ante every single weekend.  I think it would be a quick turnaround for UC in Big 12 football, they are probably a notch below most of schools in the conference in regards to overall depth, but it wouldn't take Tubberville long to bring more talent to the board.

 

Renovating 5/3rd is also a sign to the Big 12, "We have the facilities, we have the money, we have the alumni base, now give us our chance".

 

Last question, what is the tailgating scene like for UC home football games at Nippert.  Do they block off Calhoun and MLK?  Is there really much of a scene?  I am sure the frat and sorority housing is a happening place, but what about outside of that?  I miss Iowa tail gating, it doesn't get much better.

 

 

I was over south of UC to go to FedEx and got lunch at Einstein's.  The view from the south of campus parking lot is great, never noticed before.  You can see the massive press box from there.  It is quite a site.  I want to get to a game there, would be quite a treat!

 

Has UC Football been selling out their games in the last few years?  (I know last year they played at Paul Brown).

 

They were very much so under capacity at Paul Brown. They should never, ever play games there again, even if it means the big schools won't come to town (Oklahoma a few years ago wouldn't play at Nippert, neither would Ohio State). Though if UC gets picked up by the Big 12 as has been rumored, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. wouldn't have a choice.

 

At Nippert they sell out big games, and games during nice weather. Against teams like Tulane, Temple, SMU, etc. they are a few thousand under capacity, despite the fact that they win nearly every home game they play. I think next year many of the games will sell out because of the new stadium, especially if UC does well again. If UC ends up in the Big 12 I think sellouts will become routine.

 

Agreed, multiple sellouts next year at Nippert. Also it is almost impossible to "sell" those first 5 rows along the sidelines. You can barely see the field of play.

 

I was over south of UC to go to FedEx and got lunch at Einstein's.  The view from the south of campus parking lot is great, never noticed before.  You can see the massive press box from there.  It is quite a site.  I want to get to a game there, would be quite a treat!

 

Has UC Football been selling out their games in the last few years?  (I know last year they played at Paul Brown).

 

They were very much so under capacity at Paul Brown. They should never, ever play games there again, even if it means the big schools won't come to town (Oklahoma a few years ago wouldn't play at Nippert, neither would Ohio State). Though if UC gets picked up by the Big 12 as has been rumored, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. wouldn't have a choice.

 

At Nippert they sell out big games, and games during nice weather. Against teams like Tulane, Temple, SMU, etc. they are a few thousand under capacity, despite the fact that they win nearly every home game they play. I think next year many of the games will sell out because of the new stadium, especially if UC does well again. If UC ends up in the Big 12 I think sellouts will become routine.

 

Agreed, multiple sellouts next year at Nippert. Also it is almost impossible to "sell" those first 5 rows along the sidelines. You can barely see the field of play.

 

 

I heard no Calhoun, maybe doing Short Vine. Still hopeful that UC can use Burnett Woods for tailgating one day somehow. A person can dream.

The problem with tailgating is that UC is unlike any other stadium in college football in that it’s so intertwined with the campus that there’s no surface parking anywhere near it. Tailgaters are spread out thin, with some as far away as the hospital parking lots. Closing Short Vine and allowing tailgaters there would work well, though.

 

I agree that there would be a huge surge of fans if UC gets into the Big 12. If UC had a big win at home against an Oklahoma or Texas I don’t think you’d see an empty seat at Nippert for a while aside from those first few rows maybe. Those seats are a problem – one of my favorite things about Nippert is that the stands literally open up onto the field at every aisle, but the side effect is that means fans in the first row are sitting behind players and can’t see over them. I wonder how many visiting team fans get tricked into buying those seats thinking they got an amazing deal on a first row 50 yard line seat, only to discover their view is of the back side of a water cooler.

 

The problem with tailgating is that UC is unlike any other stadium in college football in that it’s so intertwined with the campus that there’s no surface parking anywhere near it. Tailgaters are spread out thin, with some as far away as the hospital parking lots. Closing Short Vine and allowing tailgaters there would work well, though.

 

I agree that there would be a huge surge of fans if UC gets into the Big 12. If UC had a big win at home against an Oklahoma or Texas I don’t think you’d see an empty seat at Nippert for a while aside from those first few rows maybe. Those seats are a problem – one of my favorite things about Nippert is that the stands literally open up onto the field at every aisle, but the side effect is that means fans in the first row are sitting behind players and can’t see over them. I wonder how many visiting team fans get tricked into buying those seats thinking they got an amazing deal on a first row 50 yard line seat, only to discover their view is of the back side of a water cooler.

 

 

UC sells section 127 and some of 126 for visiting fans, near the end zone so they have a good view. What they often do is give 20-30 pee wee football teams

the east side lower seats.

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Latest Nippert Stadium construction update:

 

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Other than that AAC logo, Nippert looks fantastic!

"It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton

Other than that AAC logo, Nippert looks fantastic!

 

Was thinking the exact same thing.

Other than that AAC logo, Nippert looks fantastic!

 

Was thinking the exact same thing.

 

No worries. Fixed with Big XII logo:

 

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I personally think the Big 12 is a terrible idea. West Virginia jumped the gun...

"It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton

I personally think the Big 12 is a terrible idea. West Virginia jumped the gun...

 

WVU never had an invite from the ACC. Pitt/Cuse were invited to the ACC, accepted the invite before the the Big 12 invited WVU.

Also, after Maryland announced for the BIG..........no guarantee that WVU would have been invited to the ACC, to backfill, over Ville.

WVU made the right decision. UC, in a heartbeat, would go to the Big 12 if invited. Would I prefer the ACC with UC and ND joining full time....

yes. Big 12 > AAC easily.

Other than that AAC logo, Nippert looks fantastic!

 

Was thinking the exact same thing.

 

No worries. Fixed with Big XII logo:

 

WpLohwp.jpg

 

Looks top shelf, thanks

I personally think the Big 12 is a terrible idea. West Virginia jumped the gun...

 

WVU never had an invite from the ACC. Pitt/Cuse were invited to the ACC, accepted the invite before the the Big 12 invited WVU.

Also, after Maryland announced for the BIG..........no guarantee that WVU would have been invited to the ACC, to backfill, over Ville.

WVU made the right decision. UC, in a heartbeat, would go to the Big 12 if invited. Would I prefer the ACC with UC and ND joining full time....

yes. Big 12 > AAC easily.

 

This. It's all working out best for Louisville and it should with their commitment to athletics going on 20 years now (hiring of Jurich).  BigXII has been horrible for WVU but franlkly it was the best option at the time as it will be for UC.  They must not be left out.

I personally think the Big 12 is a terrible idea. West Virginia jumped the gun...

 

WVU never had an invite from the ACC. Pitt/Cuse were invited to the ACC, accepted the invite before the the Big 12 invited WVU.

Also, after Maryland announced for the BIG..........no guarantee that WVU would have been invited to the ACC, to backfill, over Ville.

WVU made the right decision. UC, in a heartbeat, would go to the Big 12 if invited. Would I prefer the ACC with UC and ND joining full time....

yes. Big 12 > AAC easily.

 

This. It's all working out best for Louisville and it should with their commitment to athletics going on 20 years now (hiring of Jurich).  BigXII has been horrible for WVU but franlkly it was the best option at the time as it will be for UC.  They must not be left out.

 

Getting PJCS built in the late 90's was huge for Ville. The BBall arena is really an NBA Arena. As it relates to Football, BBall, and Baseball Ville

is in the upper echelon of the ACC. UC just needs some luck now. The facilities, academics, financial support for athletics, endowment, and market

are all strong. A man can hope lol.

I like it. It'll hold less people but I think it'll feel a lot more packed due to the design.

So it's still going to have retractable seats on the bottom deck to open to two practice courts. 

So it's still going to have retractable seats on the bottom deck to open to two practice courts. 

 

No, those seats get blown out. Existing stairs, concessions, restrooms all get demolished.

In looking at the renderings, it appears the 8 rows closest to the court along the sidelines are retractable to open it up to 2 practice courts.

 

 

^Yes.  That is what I am seeing too.

In looking at the renderings, it appears the 8 rows closest to the court along the sidelines are retractable to open it up to 2 practice courts.

 

 

 

I am referring to the existing wood accordion chairs. The current lower level gets gutted. Probably did not read John's post close enough.

Anyway hope this gets officially approved. Anyone want to take bets on where UC would play 1 season during construction?

 

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