I live in Euclid (on MIller off of 200th) right by the border of Cleveland. The city has changed monumentally in the last 10 years, give the Scene magazine article on Euclid a read if you  don't believe it ( http://www.clevescene.com/Issues/2006-11-08/news/feature.html. I don't believe its a race issue, but no one cares anymore. The crime and property neglect are going up and up while the schools can barely scrape a 7 out of 25 on the report cards. The only difference I see anymore when walking through Cleveland and Euclid is that Euclid hasn't physically decayed yet. Other than that we still have alot of  :shoot: and I see cops speeding around all hours of the day. The kids are out selling drugs and fighting on half the corners. It seems like anything north of Lake shore boulevard is safe, but if you go south welcome to the jungle  :whip:

 

Anyone else have opinions on the new Euclid?

I grew up in Euclid, and while I probably only stay there about 10 days a year, Euclid on the whole is just about the same as it used to be.  Growing up there, there was always fear about what would happen one "the blacks move in" People were always worried that it would turn into another East Cleveland.  But it didn't.  Lots of people did move to Mentor in the 80's, but there was not a great deal of white flight.

People are very passionate about Euclid, believe it or not.  I agree that the area around Miller and E. 200th along with the entire stretch along Euclid Ave is tough.  But is it worse than it was in the 80's?  That area used to be all project housing, now most of that is the home depot and the Rick Case Honda.

Euclid is going to struggle as many inner ring suburbs do.  The housing stock is not the best, but it does have a lot of assets.  The lake and believe it or not, the freeway access can work in its favor.  The area directly south of the interstate is primed to reemerge as an industrial corridor.

 

BTW, I don't read anything from the Scene, so I passed on reading the article

 

People are very passionate about Euclid, believe it or not. 

 

So true.  Seems like most of the people I've met who live in Euclid today were born there, raised there, and would not consider living anywhere else.  When they stumble upon money or build a successful business, they move north of Lakeshore; not out to Concord.

thats my point, the money and safety migrated north, and as punch said my neighborhood has become pretty rough. Hell back not too long ago they arrested an 11 year old for robbing my neighbor's kid for his bike at gunpoint. At first it was the older kids, but even the young ones are out there all night figthing and being loud as hell. I moved out of collinwood to get out of this stuff but its the same here.

 

I also agree that there are some very passionate about the city, but many of the older more active citizens are reaching their time, as in collinwood. I fear that once they pass the community will fall even farther.  :drunk:

I grew up in a neighboring city, but I did go to a parochial grade school in Euclid, played sports in Euclid, used the library in Euclid, and had a lot of friends there (and still do).  I don't spend a lot of time there now at all, but I do know from friends and families that still live there that it has slipped.  I've heard anecdotally of stories similar to Euclid Survivors'.  Hell once I was at the Wendy's at 200th and Lakeshore at night while in high school and had two guys steal my wallet from me. 

 

At that same time, I also know people who are passionate about the city.  But I think that Euclid Survivor is dead right when he says that those passionate people are generally older.

 

Punch, while I think you're wrong with the statement "Euclid on the whole is just about the same as it used to be.", I agree with you when you say: "Euclid is going to struggle as many inner ring suburbs do.  The housing stock is not the best, but it does have a lot of assets.  The lake and believe it or not, the freeway access can work in its favor.  The area directly south of the interstate is primed to reemerge as an industrial corridor." 

 

Time will tell, but I think Euclid is an inner-ring suburb that has struggled and will continue to struggle more, in comparison to say, Lakewood.

I have lived in and out of Euclid for most of the last 21 years and I can tell you that we are actually thinking of moving.  The crime does seem to be on the rise but I have not statistics that I can reference.  What I can say is that in the 21 years that I have lived here I find myself more and more driving to get ANYTHING!  When I moved here there was a lively downtown area that had a Pier One and the mall near the freeway was vibrant.  Euclid has a  terrific restaurant (Beach Club Pizza) but the rest of the downtown seems to suffering.  I think that Euclid probably will go down further and then start to climb but I see the climb not happening until 10 years from now.  Not sure I want to wait.  Euclid needs a plan for the area similiar to what is happening with the Detroit Shoreway area. 

I've lived in Euclid for 20 years (I'm 24 years old), off of E.260th close to Lakeshore.  For those not familiar with the area, it is filled with what some would consider "starter homes", including small bungaloes and duplexes, built after WWII. African Americans didn't live in my area that much (I myself am African American), so the biggest change that I see in the area is a shift in demographics.  When I was little, I noticed how my street was occupied by mostly senior citizens and middle aged individuals.  I thought that one day, most of the people living in my neighborhood would start moving out and going to Florida, or retirement homes, or wherever.  This trend has became noticable in the last few years, and the former residents for the most part are being replaced by African Americans, most of whom are from the inner city. 

 

There have been a few break-ins in my area, but overall crime has not increased.  What I believe has increased is a perception of perceived crime, or crime potential in my area (I can't speak for the rest of Euclid, because there has been an increase in crime in some areas).  Let's face it- when an older, white suburbanite sees a black youth dressed in baggy clothes, the suburbanite probably thinks "uh-oh, here comes trouble", though the young African-American may be a straight-A student.  Hip-hop culture, to those who are not familiar with it, spells crime mostly because of misconceptions.  It is the same mindset that makes certain individuals tell their kids when they drive downtown to "lock the doors" because it's "dangerous", which is why some avoid downtown all together (a travesty in my opinion).

 

 

 

 

Let's face it- when an older, white suburbanite sees a black youth dressed in baggy clothes, the suburbanite probably thinks "uh-oh, here comes trouble", though the young African-American may be a straight-A student.  Hip-hop culture, to those who are not familiar with it, spells crime mostly because of misconceptions.  It is the same mindset that makes certain individuals tell their kids when they drive downtown to "lock the doors" because it's "dangerous", which is why some avoid downtown all together (a travesty in my opinion).

 

DEAD ON POINT!

I agree.  I have nothing to indicate that crime has increased.  My concern with Euclid is more infrastructure.  I see more finger pointing than I do a plan.  Every develpment plan seems to be dead in the water and I don't see the downtown area of Euclid staying viable.  I appreciate hearing other opinions because moving is not an easy choice to make let alone the actual move.

Crime has increased around here, we have had a lot more assaults and break ins. Like I said gunshots are nothing new around here. We also have alot of good kids in the neighborhood, but you see more and more getting in trouble constantly with the law. Not just black kids either ^^, white kids are out there fighting and such as well. I agree that certain parts of the city are still nice, but the ones that keep deteriorating need attention. East 200th/222nd (closer to St. Clair/freeway you go the worse it gets) needs attention, along with Euclid Avenue. The crime stats for Euclid may not look high, but figure that alot of the crime is focused in certain areas, where near the Lake is nice , but still figures in and lowers the crime numbers due to population.

 

Don't even get me started with the problems in the school..

My real concerns are the development of infrastructure and support for the community.  There is a great lakefront that doesn't seem to get used to it's full advantage.  I live near the lake and I can tell you that vandalism constantly takes a toll on our beach club property and there has been a house sitting vacant for nearly 2 years, supposedly due to a criminal investigation and subsequent foreclosure.  I have always liked living in Euclid but as I stated I think things will get worse before they get better. 

Let's face it- when an older, white suburbanite sees a black youth dressed in baggy clothes, the suburbanite probably thinks "uh-oh, here comes trouble", though the young African-American may be a straight-A student.

 

 

 

 

I bet it's perfectly fine for those same older whites to think "uh-oh, here comes trouble" when they see a group of tattooed, leather wearing white guys with bandannas and Harley jackets on. God forbid anyone think ill thoughts about a group of blacks,,, regardless of their experiences.

 

If you think Euclid is the same as years ago,, just take your family to the Old World festival. I can't tell you how many times in the past 5 years I've SEEN (not though it may have happened, not heard it happened, but DID SEE IT happen) those same groups of young blacks in baggy clothes jump unsuspecting individuals. Now, I know it's just horrible to state what I have seen. Somehow, I must be racist to have seen those incidents.

 

Just look how different the Slavic Village festival is within these past few years.. What's the common factor?? Why is the Little Italy festival still thriving??

 

I don't blame those people one bit for feeling the way they do.

 

By the way,, since its a "misconseption" for these whites to feel leery, what are they to look for? When is it politically correct for older people,, or better yet, white devils to feel unsafe when approached?

 

Why is it people don't feel uneasy around the majority of blacks ----- the black families, the black boyfriend/girlfriend, black children, black elderly, black ministers, well dressed blacks, and so on. People feel uneasy about groups from every race. Cloths, numbers, & street language are all taken into consideration. But,, if people feel uneasy about a group of black, they're wrong. If people feel uneasy about a group of whites,, fine,, good job,, way to be aware of your surroundings.

 

Trivisono relayed a fact on 1100am radio the other today. The population of Ohio is 11% black. But, blacks make up 48% of the prison population in Ohio. That is a fact. Not a "misconseption." Maybe that's the reason people (and not just whites) feel uneasy when they see groups of blacks with their cloths saggin'.

 

^^To the above poster...

 

It seems like you took my comments offensively.  Additionally, you must not have understood what I was trying to convey. 

 

If you think Euclid is the same as years ago,, just take your family to the Old World festival. I can't tell you how many times in the past 5 years I've SEEN (not though it may have happened, not heard it happened, but DID SEE IT happen) those same groups of young blacks in baggy clothes jump unsuspecting individuals. Now, I know it's just horrible to state what I have seen. Somehow, I must be racist to have seen those incidents.

 

I've been to the Old World festival many times.  I just recently went to the festival last year, and plan on going this year as well.  Just because a group of young black individuals in baggy clothes jumped somebody does not make every individual that wears baggy hip-hop clothing criminals, as it seems you are trying to imply.  I, personally, grew up with hip-hop music during my teenage years when an individual is affected by the media (music videos, MTV, BET, whatever) the most.  I wear typical "hip-hop" clothing, as do most of my friends who are African American.  Yet I do not have any type of criminal record, and will be receiving my B.A. in Urban Studies from Cleveland State this year.

 

Just look how different the Slavic Village festival is within these past few years.. What's the common factor?? Why is the Little Italy festival still thriving??

 

I don't get what you're trying to say here.  Are you saying that the Slavic Village festival is not thriving because African Americans go to it, and not the Little Italy festival?  African Americans very seldom, if at all, frequent Little Italy because of past history (though Little Italy is changing as well).  Conversely, African Americans live, work and support local businesses in Slavic Village.

 

I don't blame those people one bit for feeling the way they do.

 

Living in fear, as you illustrate in your next comment, is the one of the reasons there was an explosion of growth in the suburbs during the turmoil of the 60's.....

 

By the way,, since its a "misconseption" for these whites to feel leery, what are they to look for? When is it politically correct for older people,, or better yet, white devils to feel unsafe when approached?

I can understand an individual being on guard, but it seems like you, or whoever you're speaking for, is scared to walk down his or her own street.  Hopefully, it is not because of black youths who are dressed in a certain fashion.  To those individuals who are in fear of their lives because of a hip-hop attire, my advice would be to lock all doors, get a security system, bars on your windows, a ten foot high fence around the perimeter of the property, a gun under the pillow, become completely paranoid and look out the window at all times for strangers dressed in hip-hop clothing.  Better yet, run to the next suburb out, since there's always another suburb to run to where problems won't exist :roll:. 

 

Furthermore, was calling Caucasians "white devlis" necessary? 

 

Why is it people don't feel uneasy around the majority of blacks ----- the black families, the black boyfriend/girlfriend, black children, black elderly, black ministers, well dressed blacks, and so on. People feel uneasy about groups from every race.  Cloths, numbers, & street language are all taken into consideration. But,, if people feel uneasy about a group of black, they're wrong. If people feel uneasy about a group of whites,, fine,, good job,, way to be aware of your surroundings.

 

First off, define "people" (as in who they are), in your first sentence.  Secondly, define "well dressed blacks".  And thirdly, OK... if a group of whites are wearing traditional Ku Klux Klan attire and I'm surrounded with no where to go, I would feel somewhat threatened.  However, being afraid of numbers and "street language", is a stretch ...

 

Trivisono relayed a fact on 1100am radio the other today. The population of Ohio is 11% black. But, blacks make up 48% of the prison population in Ohio. That is a fact. Not a "misconseption." Maybe that's the reason people (and not just whites) feel uneasy when they see groups of blacks with their cloths saggin'.

 

And what are you trying to convey here?  Yes, nationwide the prison system is filled with African Americans, yet we make up 12% of the population.  What does that tell you?  Does that mean that we are violent by nature, or does that tell you something different?  I'm not going to comment on your remarks here, however if you are ignorant to the reasons why African Americans make up a large percentage of the United States prison system, and truthfully want to know why, I will gladly inform you. 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the things I am most proud of Euclid is the fact of how it became naturally integrated.  It wasn't a planned integration like in the heights.  There are still some areas not well integrated, but on the whole, it is.

Ever since I have been old enough to understand people have been writing the epitaph for Euclid, but it has not died.  Someone mentioned the city only having one good restaurant, the Beach Club.  Well, that restaurant has only opened within the past few years, so I view that as a sign of life.  The developers of Stonebridge in the Flats bought and renovated most of the highrise apartments along the lake, another positive.  Lincoln Electric has had the most growth they have ever had over the past three years.

So we have a city with a huge lakefront, a growing corporate tax base, a downtown that is budding new businesses, and an area along the border with Cleveland and along Euclid Ave that has a crime problem.

Does that diminish the crime problem, no.  But the city is not about to fall apart.

 

As Cleveland is to the nation, Euclid is to Greater Cleveland.

Oldmanladyluck-- I too would be troubled if in the presence of a KKK member, and I am white. But realistically, who has ever seen a KKK member in person?... And not on the Gerry Springer Show. Most everyone has seen groups of the "biker" looking whites. My point is this: Just because someone feels anxious around a certain group of individuals, it does not mean they have a "misconseption." If a person from the farm land in Nebraska (and I only use Nebraska because I am under the impression it is vastly Caucasian) gets nervous when he/she encounters a group of blacks, well then I see your point. The folks in Euclid, or surrounding areas of Cleveland are not ignorant... By "ignorant" I mean: IGNORANT (ig'ner ent) adj. Lacking awareness; Uninformed; Inexperienced. Sometimes life experiences teach when to become defensive and/or protective of oneself. That does not mean whites, or any race is wrong when they feel unsafe around certain groups,, groups of blacks or others. Like stated above, I believe those same group of whites would react the same way when encountering a group of tattooed, leather clad whites. Do I blame them? No. Do I think it's a "misconseption?" No. Do I think it's in any way the color of their skin? No. It's life experiences. I also do not think the whites you speak of only look at the skin color when it comes to the groups of blacks. I would only agree that it is in fact a "misconseption" if those same whites were apprehensive when in the presence of any/all black person(s).

 

"PEOPLE" refer to the human race.

 

I too will attend the Old World Festival again this year. Maybe I'll see you there.

 

Also, "white devils" was WAY too much. My apologies to you. I just got a little fired up. I really get sick of the way whites are always assumed wrong when it comes to race issues. Not that whites are always correct, but whites are not eternally awry.

 

Congratulations on your education.

One of the things I am most proud of Euclid is the fact of how it became naturally integrated.  It wasn't a planned integration like in the heights.  There are still some areas not well integrated, but on the whole, it is.

Ever since I have been old enough to understand people have been writing the epitaph for Euclid, but it has not died.  Someone mentioned the city only having one good restaurant, the Beach Club.  Well, that restaurant has only opened within the past few years, so I view that as a sign of life.  The developers of Stonebridge in the Flats bought and renovated most of the highrise apartments along the lake, another positive.  Lincoln Electric has had the most growth they have ever had over the past three years.

So we have a city with a huge lakefront, a growing corporate tax base, a downtown that is budding new businesses, and an area along the border with Cleveland and along Euclid Ave that has a crime problem.

Does that diminish the crime problem, no.  But the city is not about to fall apart.

 

As Cleveland is to the nation, Euclid is to Greater Cleveland.

and unfortunately we have a large vacant housing problem as well...

 

 

Trivisono relayed a fact on 1100am radio the other today. The population of Ohio is 11% black. But, blacks make up 48% of the prison population in Ohio. That is a fact. Not a "misconseption." Maybe that's the reason people (and not just whites) feel uneasy when they see groups of blacks with their cloths saggin'.

 

And what are you trying to convey here?  Yes, nationwide the prison system is filled with African Americans, yet we make up 12% of the population.  What does that tell you?  Does that mean that we are violent by nature, or does that tell you something different?  I'm not going to comment on your remarks here, however if you are ignorant to the reasons why African Americans make up a large percentage of the United States prison system, and truthfully want to know why, I will gladly inform you. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree this is not the place for this discussion. I am sure I know what you will say the reason why blacks make up a larger % of the prison population. I for one do not believe that answer. If the answer is something other than what the liberal media conveys, please school me. I would like to use you for an example. You are black, young, male, wear baggy cloths, listen to hip hop, yet have no criminal record. Why were you "spared?" I would guess it's because your nose was/is in your books (obvious to me by your soon to be degree) and/or work instead of being idle and doing the wrong thing.

 

I'm done here because It's off the subject.